Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 11:13am Wed 18 Jun 08
the police figures match what this says, more stringent steps need taken but it's not all teeny boppers with bacardi breezers getting smahsed in parks, its men and women in 40's who get behind wheels and cause fights as well as do things they wouldnt if sober, it is classless and affects all ages , the demon drink needs cast out, but too many folk rely on selling it for their livelihoods.
wouldnt even like to try and think of the numbers of folk who have lost everything that matters to them ,cos only booze mattered more to them.
the police figures match what this says, more stringent steps need taken but it's not all teeny boppers with bacardi breezers getting smahsed in parks, its men and women in 40's who get behind wheels and cause fights as well as do things they wouldnt if sober, it is classless and affects all ages , the demon drink needs cast out, but too many folk rely on selling it for their livelihoods.
wouldnt even like to try and think of the numbers of folk who have lost everything that matters to them ,cos only booze mattered more to them.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:24am Wed 18 Jun 08
Haven't we heard all this before.
Haven't we heard all this before.
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 11:26am Wed 18 Jun 08
Typical spin from the paper which just two months ago used St Patrick's Day as an excuse to "buy" every ET reader a free pint, then threw their dummy out of the pram when the public saw the giveaway for what it really was.
Typical spin from the paper which just two months ago used St Patrick's Day as an excuse to "buy" every ET reader a free pint, then threw their dummy out of the pram when the public saw the giveaway for what it really was.
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 11:42am Wed 18 Jun 08
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Posted by: gordon, glagow on 11:52am Wed 18 Jun 08
We need much more than this. to solve this problem we need widespread cultural change. Money is not the issue, people will just end up spending more and be worse off financially from boozing. As Edna says, bozing is ageless and classless. A rise in price will not change the likliehood of a middle aged business man drinking 3 bottles of wine getting in a car. I reaaly dont think theres much hope for the current generation as drink is so heavilly etched in our culture.
However, protecting under agers from obtaining drink in the off liscences may be a good start, at least then we can decrease the likliehood of future generations. More than just banning them from drink, we need to seriously hammer home the safe drinking message. Like drink driving getting extremely drunk should be seen as completely socially unacceptable and for kids the sort of naff thing your parents would do. we have top teach them at home and at school what their limits are and also accept the fact that our kids WILL drink not try and pretend that these measures will be enough to discourage them.
We need much more than this. to solve this problem we need widespread cultural change. Money is not the issue, people will just end up spending more and be worse off financially from boozing. As Edna says, bozing is ageless and classless. A rise in price will not change the likliehood of a middle aged business man drinking 3 bottles of wine getting in a car. I reaaly dont think theres much hope for the current generation as drink is so heavilly etched in our culture.
However, protecting under agers from obtaining drink in the off liscences may be a good start, at least then we can decrease the likliehood of future generations. More than just banning them from drink, we need to seriously hammer home the safe drinking message. Like drink driving getting extremely drunk should be seen as completely socially unacceptable and for kids the sort of naff thing your parents would do. we have top teach them at home and at school what their limits are and also accept the fact that our kids WILL drink not try and pretend that these measures will be enough to discourage them.
Posted by: John MacLean, Glasgow on 12:19pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Price who out of the market? People like me who work hard and enjoy a glass of wine at the end of the working week? How many under age drinkers go to supermarkets? I have never saw any under aged kids lining up outside Morrisons, Asda or Sainsburys...Haddows
? corner shops? Now there's a different matter all together, you have to drive a tank through the amount of kids asking if you would buy their booze on a Friday night. Kids will always find a way to get a drink...either that or they will just turn to hash instead.
Price who out of the market? People like me who work hard and enjoy a glass of wine at the end of the working week? How many under age drinkers go to supermarkets? I have never saw any under aged kids lining up outside Morrisons, Asda or Sainsburys...Haddows
? corner shops? Now there's a different matter all together, you have to drive a tank through the amount of kids asking if you would buy their booze on a Friday night. Kids will always find a way to get a drink...either that or they will just turn to hash instead.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 12:20pm Wed 18 Jun 08
How come they haven't put the price up on Buckfast, if it's supposed to be about tackling antisocial behaviour???
I think the SNP have scored a massive own goal here.
As for The Goose.
I went into that sh1thole years ago, it supposed to be a weatherspoons kinda pub, but its in the wrong location. Everyone knows that the Argyle street area is where all the clampits hang out.
HAs anyone noticed that the further you head towards Trongate, the trampier the people are. (except Merchant city) Yet, the further UP you go in the city (like Sauchiehall) the better the pubs and the less smellier the people.
Is this because most of the pound shops are on Argyle street?
How come they haven't put the price up on Buckfast, if it's supposed to be about tackling antisocial behaviour???
I think the SNP have scored a massive own goal here.
As for The Goose.
I went into that sh1thole years ago, it supposed to be a weatherspoons kinda pub, but its in the wrong location. Everyone knows that the Argyle street area is where all the clampits hang out.
HAs anyone noticed that the further you head towards Trongate, the trampier the people are. (except Merchant city) Yet, the further UP you go in the city (like Sauchiehall) the better the pubs and the less smellier the people.
Is this because most of the pound shops are on Argyle street?
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 12:41pm Wed 18 Jun 08
as usual treating the symptoms when its too late and not the cause. kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess. do the government really think putting the price and age up will make a blind bit of difference. get a grip!! tough sentences for those selling to underage thru shops and pubs. and maybe coming down hard on those who get pished and start fights after a night out instead of a wee slap.
i like a drink or 6 but would never resort to lampin anyone when pished as im not a thug and can control myself.
putting up the price will help no-one. proper education will
as usual treating the symptoms when its too late and not the cause. kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess. do the government really think putting the price and age up will make a blind bit of difference. get a grip!! tough sentences for those selling to underage thru shops and pubs. and maybe coming down hard on those who get pished and start fights after a night out instead of a wee slap.
i like a drink or 6 but would never resort to lampin anyone when pished as im not a thug and can control myself.
putting up the price will help no-one. proper education will
Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 12:42pm Wed 18 Jun 08
as usual treating the symptoms when its too late and not the cause. kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess. do the government really think putting the price and age up will make a blind bit of difference. get a grip!! tough sentences for those selling to underage thru shops and pubs. and maybe coming down hard on those who get pished and start fights after a night out instead of a wee slap.
i like a drink or 6 but would never resort to lampin anyone when pished as im not a thug and can control myself.
putting up the price will help no-one. proper education will
as usual treating the symptoms when its too late and not the cause. kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess. do the government really think putting the price and age up will make a blind bit of difference. get a grip!! tough sentences for those selling to underage thru shops and pubs. and maybe coming down hard on those who get pished and start fights after a night out instead of a wee slap.
i like a drink or 6 but would never resort to lampin anyone when pished as im not a thug and can control myself.
putting up the price will help no-one. proper education will
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 12:56pm Wed 18 Jun 08
what hightower said
you still get 30 year old fannies with a bit of cash who'll start fights on a night out
what hightower said
you still get 30 year old fannies with a bit of cash who'll start fights on a night out
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 1:06pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.[/quote] I don't think the wee Glasgow neds will be running down to Gretna for their Friday night carry-out.
On their own these proposals are not going to provide any magic "fix", but they are positive steps as part of a wider strategy.
Interesting that the businesses who make huge profits from Scotland's alcohol problems are being extremely vociferous in their opposition to the proposals. While the charities etc who have to pick up the pieces of wrecked lives are supporting the proposals. Says its all really.
pete wrote:
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.
I don't think the wee Glasgow neds will be running down to Gretna for their Friday night carry-out.
On their own these proposals are not going to provide any magic "fix", but they are positive steps as part of a wider strategy.
Interesting that the businesses who make huge profits from Scotland's alcohol problems are being extremely vociferous in their opposition to the proposals. While the charities etc who have to pick up the pieces of wrecked lives are supporting the proposals. Says its all really.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 1:11pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Its quite depressing that the list of irrelevant dross above is the best the SNP could come upwith.
As usual for Holyrood, most of it is purely window dressing or utterly pointless.
Do they really think putting £1 on the cost of a bottle of cider is going to have even the slighest affect on scotlands disgusting drinking habits? If they do, they they must be even more stupid than they look!
The sole worthwhile point is that about social responsibility - however, they cant even get that right. "responsibility" means being accountable for your own actions. How does penalising the whole of society make irresponsibile drinkers accountable?
Holyrood is just the same as Westminster - their sole idea, to address any issue, revolves around making it more expensive - except with even less political talent / characters.
Its quite depressing that the list of irrelevant dross above is the best the SNP could come upwith.
As usual for Holyrood, most of it is purely window dressing or utterly pointless.
Do they really think putting £1 on the cost of a bottle of cider is going to have even the slighest affect on scotlands disgusting drinking habits? If they do, they they must be even more stupid than they look!
The sole worthwhile point is that about social responsibility - however, they cant even get that right. "responsibility" means being accountable for your own actions. How does penalising the whole of society make irresponsibile drinkers accountable?
Holyrood is just the same as Westminster - their sole idea, to address any issue, revolves around making it more expensive - except with even less political talent / characters.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 1:14pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Spending an extra £85million on prevention, treatment and support services, bringing total alcohol spending by health and social services in Scotland to £120m over the next three years.
Some of that cash could come from the responsibility fee to reduce the burden on taxpayers, similar to the tobacco tax levied on smokers.
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Is this a joke?
Given that the "responsibility" tarrif will come out of the pockets of taxpayers, the burden on them will be anything but reduced.
Idiots.
If the ET / SNP think folk will swallow that, they should realise that not ALL the readers here are council estate numpties.
Spending an extra £85million on prevention, treatment and support services, bringing total alcohol spending by health and social services in Scotland to £120m over the next three years.
Some of that cash could come from the responsibility fee to reduce the burden on taxpayers, similar to the tobacco tax levied on smokers.
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Is this a joke?
Given that the "responsibility" tarrif will come out of the pockets of taxpayers, the burden on them will be anything but reduced.
Idiots.
If the ET / SNP think folk will swallow that, they should realise that not ALL the readers here are council estate numpties.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:17pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
Its quite depressing that the list of irrelevant dross above is the best the SNP could come upwith.
As usual for Holyrood, most of it is purely window dressing or utterly pointless.
Do they really think putting £1 on the cost of a bottle of cider is going to have even the slighest affect on scotlands disgusting drinking habits? If they do, they they must be even more stupid than they look!
The sole worthwhile point is that about social responsibility - however, they cant even get that right. "responsibility" means being accountable for your own actions. How does penalising the whole of society make irresponsibile drinkers accountable?
Holyrood is just the same as Westminster - their sole idea, to address any issue, revolves around making it more expensive - except with even less political talent / characters.[/quote] So what would you propose instead?
hightower wrote
[quote]kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess.[/quote]
If education is the answer, then who's going to teach them? The parents? I don't really see that working.
GAW wrote:
Its quite depressing that the list of irrelevant dross above is the best the SNP could come upwith.
As usual for Holyrood, most of it is purely window dressing or utterly pointless.
Do they really think putting £1 on the cost of a bottle of cider is going to have even the slighest affect on scotlands disgusting drinking habits? If they do, they they must be even more stupid than they look!
The sole worthwhile point is that about social responsibility - however, they cant even get that right. "responsibility" means being accountable for your own actions. How does penalising the whole of society make irresponsibile drinkers accountable?
Holyrood is just the same as Westminster - their sole idea, to address any issue, revolves around making it more expensive - except with even less political talent / characters.
So what would you propose instead?
hightower wrote
kids should eb taught at an early age abotu safe alcohol use and the dangers of excess.
If education is the answer, then who's going to teach them? The parents? I don't really see that working.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 1:28pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Considering that we are in a recession and the price of food and drink is 20% higher than 2 years ago any attempt to raise drink prices and penalise responsible adults will face a backlash. Why shoould i have to pay and extra pound on my red wine because of drunk teens. [bold]SNP rethink your policy[/bold] .
Considering that we are in a recession and the price of food and drink is 20% higher than 2 years ago any attempt to raise drink prices and penalise responsible adults will face a backlash. Why shoould i have to pay and extra pound on my red wine because of drunk teens.
SNP rethink your policy .
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 1:31pm Wed 18 Jun 08
I don't feel that a rise in price would hurt the occasional wine glass sipper, but the rest it will. However, if they really want it, they will get it, even if they must steal for it. I have known some heavy drinkers and they'd sell their souls for a bottle.It won't work.
I don't feel that a rise in price would hurt the occasional wine glass sipper, but the rest it will. However, if they really want it, they will get it, even if they must steal for it. I have known some heavy drinkers and they'd sell their souls for a bottle.It won't work.
Posted by: Fanto, Glasgow on 1:48pm Wed 18 Jun 08
There is already a thriving black market in booze and this will make it worse. I agree that education is the answer. In Europe they seem to have a better idea of "it's a marathon, not a sprint" and there is less of blootered culture. We should look at how they have instilled this culture and attempt to do the same.
What I don't understand is why reformed addicts seem to be given the keys to prohibition. McConnell is an ex-smoker and McKaskill is an ex-boozebag. Can we not have legislators who can take a reasoned approach?
There is already a thriving black market in booze and this will make it worse. I agree that education is the answer. In Europe they seem to have a better idea of "it's a marathon, not a sprint" and there is less of blootered culture. We should look at how they have instilled this culture and attempt to do the same.
What I don't understand is why reformed addicts seem to be given the keys to prohibition. McConnell is an ex-smoker and McKaskill is an ex-boozebag. Can we not have legislators who can take a reasoned approach?
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:52pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.[/quote]
The buckfast saga here will have escaped any further financial penalities due to Buckfast Abbeys alleged agreement to ensure they are not affected by a drop in sales.
Also, notice how some Whiskys are not being increased in price. Wonder Why ? Perhaps because loss of the revenue from it, would have far more impact on the Scottish economy, and our distillerys here.
Nice wee earner for the treasury, but this measure alone as everyone knows cannot possibly make any difference, other than to annoy, and pi** off more moderate drinkers in the short term.
*More Police on the beat.
*Better treatment of alcoholism, and more funding rehabilitiation centres.
* Drying out centres, and alternatives to A & E beds being taken up by drunks at weekends.
* And like happens in the continent, less stringent bans on the ages of alcohol consumption, and more focus on an acceptable level of drinking.
Politicians just don't want to make the tough decisions, and by having sweeping legislation accross the board, all they do is target everyone - irrespective of how much, or how little they drink. This is completely unworkable.
pete wrote:
Stupid stupid stupid - what about the Buckfast? The supermarkets just over the border will be rubbing their hands with glee.
The buckfast saga here will have escaped any further financial penalities due to Buckfast Abbeys alleged agreement to ensure they are not affected by a drop in sales.
Also, notice how some Whiskys are not being increased in price. Wonder Why ? Perhaps because loss of the revenue from it, would have far more impact on the Scottish economy, and our distillerys here.
Nice wee earner for the treasury, but this measure alone as everyone knows cannot possibly make any difference, other than to annoy, and pi** off more moderate drinkers in the short term.
*More Police on the beat.
*Better treatment of alcoholism, and more funding rehabilitiation centres.
* Drying out centres, and alternatives to A & E beds being taken up by drunks at weekends.
* And like happens in the continent, less stringent bans on the ages of alcohol consumption, and more focus on an acceptable level of drinking.
Politicians just don't want to make the tough decisions, and by having sweeping legislation accross the board, all they do is target everyone - irrespective of how much, or how little they drink. This is completely unworkable.
Posted by: Judas, Glasgow on 2:04pm Wed 18 Jun 08
This is nothing but a smokescreen to raise more cash. As someone's already said, by increasing the price of drink they are simply tackling the symptoms not the cause. What's required is a change in our nations attitude towards drinking, not price increases. Again. This, though, is seemingly beyond our ineffectual leaders.
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This is nothing but a smokescreen to raise more cash. As someone's already said, by increasing the price of drink they are simply tackling the symptoms not the cause. What's required is a change in our nations attitude towards drinking, not price increases. Again. This, though, is seemingly beyond our ineffectual leaders.
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Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:27pm Wed 18 Jun 08
The only interesting aspect of this is that those who are hit hardest are people in the lowest wage brackets, who surprisingly enough not all of which are heavy drinkers.
The younger generation - who have to lean more on their parents ( not all parents are on high wages) - how many kids might nick money from folk, or their parents to fund their drinking ?
Also, the elderly. Those who have fairly low pensions, and little or no savings. After all just how many elderly folk do we see absolutely plastered, and out their face on drink, fighting, brawling, shouting etc ?
Its the middle aged guys who we need to target - and rest assured they won't need to produce evidence of being over 21!
If anything their receding hairline, and early greying will give the game away. Sorry guys LOL
So, lets stop beating about the bush here, and start focussing on those who are the real problem drinkers.
If the Police are endorsing this, and basing this on a supposedly successful 6 week pilot -trial in Armadale, West Lothian, in which the purchase of off-sales alcohol was restricted to over-21s at weekends, they are badly mistaken.
How can this 6 week long trial possibly give the green light for the scheme to be launched Scotland wide, it is proposterous.
The only interesting aspect of this is that those who are hit hardest are people in the lowest wage brackets, who surprisingly enough not all of which are heavy drinkers.
The younger generation - who have to lean more on their parents ( not all parents are on high wages) - how many kids might nick money from folk, or their parents to fund their drinking ?
Also, the elderly. Those who have fairly low pensions, and little or no savings. After all just how many elderly folk do we see absolutely plastered, and out their face on drink, fighting, brawling, shouting etc ?
Its the middle aged guys who we need to target - and rest assured they won't need to produce evidence of being over 21!
If anything their receding hairline, and early greying will give the game away. Sorry guys LOL
So, lets stop beating about the bush here, and start focussing on those who are the real problem drinkers.
If the Police are endorsing this, and basing this on a supposedly successful 6 week pilot -trial in Armadale, West Lothian, in which the purchase of off-sales alcohol was restricted to over-21s at weekends, they are badly mistaken.
How can this 6 week long trial possibly give the green light for the scheme to be launched Scotland wide, it is proposterous.
Posted by: mrcoops, Falkirk on 2:46pm Wed 18 Jun 08
No doubt these plans are well-intentioned, but they seem to be seriously flawed and will do little or nothing to target the problem of under-age or binge drinking.
Many of the drinks popular with the teens and the neds (Buckfast, alcopops) would seem to be largely unaffected, so there will be no change in their drinking habits.
Looking at the proposoals, it seems some of the worst-hit products will be supermarket own brands. Popular with those on low wages who want to enjoy the odd tipple, but hardly the type of "trendy" product thrown back by the binge-drinking masses of a weekend evening.
So the pensioner who wants to buy a six-pack of Asda beer to enjoy over the course of a week will be hard hit, while Stef and Senga will still be free to consume Buckie by the bucketload without being forced to pay any more for the "pleasure".
To me, the most ridiculous proposals of all involve the introduction of separate checkouts for alcohol within supermarkets. Exactly how is this supposed to be tackling binge drinking? The jakies will just head straight to the bevvy counter to buy their massive carry-oot as normal, while those of us who are doing a family shop will be forced to queue twice if we want to buy a bottle of wine with our trolley full of groceries. Where is the logic in that?
It's a nonsense that people see drink in supermarkets while doing their grocery shopping and suddenly "decide" to buy a massive amount of alcohol to get tanked up that evening. I sometimes buy "special offers" or 2 for ones when I see them...but that doesn't mean that I feel the need to consume them all in one go. When I buy 3 for 2s on bog-roll, I don't suddenly feel the need to go to the toilet every 2 minutes. The same applies to any special offers I get on alcohol - I do the same as 99% of other people do....I save it and consume it at my normal rate.
The only people who will be incovenienced by the proposals as they currently exist are the poor and the moderate drinker. Those on a mission to get as much alcohol as possible and to drink it as quickly as possible will go about business as usual.
No doubt these plans are well-intentioned, but they seem to be seriously flawed and will do little or nothing to target the problem of under-age or binge drinking.
Many of the drinks popular with the teens and the neds (Buckfast, alcopops) would seem to be largely unaffected, so there will be no change in their drinking habits.
Looking at the proposoals, it seems some of the worst-hit products will be supermarket own brands. Popular with those on low wages who want to enjoy the odd tipple, but hardly the type of "trendy" product thrown back by the binge-drinking masses of a weekend evening.
So the pensioner who wants to buy a six-pack of Asda beer to enjoy over the course of a week will be hard hit, while Stef and Senga will still be free to consume Buckie by the bucketload without being forced to pay any more for the "pleasure".
To me, the most ridiculous proposals of all involve the introduction of separate checkouts for alcohol within supermarkets. Exactly how is this supposed to be tackling binge drinking? The jakies will just head straight to the bevvy counter to buy their massive carry-oot as normal, while those of us who are doing a family shop will be forced to queue twice if we want to buy a bottle of wine with our trolley full of groceries. Where is the logic in that?
It's a nonsense that people see drink in supermarkets while doing their grocery shopping and suddenly "decide" to buy a massive amount of alcohol to get tanked up that evening. I sometimes buy "special offers" or 2 for ones when I see them...but that doesn't mean that I feel the need to consume them all in one go. When I buy 3 for 2s on bog-roll, I don't suddenly feel the need to go to the toilet every 2 minutes. The same applies to any special offers I get on alcohol - I do the same as 99% of other people do....I save it and consume it at my normal rate.
The only people who will be incovenienced by the proposals as they currently exist are the poor and the moderate drinker. Those on a mission to get as much alcohol as possible and to drink it as quickly as possible will go about business as usual.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 2:50pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote]How come they haven't put the price up on Buckfast[/quote]
Indeed. Seems to be the drink of choice amongs the ned brigade. I doubt some ned who can spend £100 on a pair of trainers (from his jobseekers allowance no doubt), will quibble over paying 80p for a can of super lager.
Price is not the issue, it's availability. And it's availability from corner shops and off sales, not large supermarkets.
How come they haven't put the price up on Buckfast
Indeed. Seems to be the drink of choice amongs the ned brigade. I doubt some ned who can spend £100 on a pair of trainers (from his jobseekers allowance no doubt), will quibble over paying 80p for a can of super lager.
Price is not the issue, it's availability. And it's availability from corner shops and off sales, not large supermarkets.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:52pm Wed 18 Jun 08
instead of giving under age pocket money to spend on booze,give them a gift card to use in a department store or book store...that will **** them off!half these wee alkys in training would get high on the smell on a barmans apron!....gie them lucozade and tell them its a new type of whiskey!
instead of giving under age pocket money to spend on booze,give them a gift card to use in a department store or book store...that will **** them off!half these wee alkys in training would get high on the smell on a barmans apron!....gie them lucozade and tell them its a new type of whiskey!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:16pm Wed 18 Jun 08
i have taken a family member into the bathroom and showed them a 20 pound note and tore it into bits ,then explained, now that would have been your pocket money which you choose to **** down the bog,so i saved you the bother......ah revenge is sweet! THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.
i have taken a family member into the bathroom and showed them a 20 pound note and tore it into bits ,then explained, now that would have been your pocket money which you choose to **** down the bog,so i saved you the bother......ah revenge is sweet! THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 3:34pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Do they sell Buckfast in Supermarkets? Just wondering.
Do they sell Buckfast in Supermarkets? Just wondering.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 3:42pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]bAzTNM[/bold] wrote:
Do they sell Buckfast in Supermarkets? Just wondering.[/quote] Dunno, but you never see kids hanging round supermarkets (where thay do all the cheap deals) just the off licences.
Anyway,
A baby seal walks into a bar and sits down. "What can I get you?" asked the bartender. "Anything but a Canadian Club" replied the seal.
bAzTNM wrote:
Do they sell Buckfast in Supermarkets? Just wondering.
Dunno, but you never see kids hanging round supermarkets (where thay do all the cheap deals) just the off licences.
Anyway,
A baby seal walks into a bar and sits down. "What can I get you?" asked the bartender. "Anything but a Canadian Club" replied the seal.
Posted by: John MacLean, Glasgow on 4:27pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Hang on a moment...put the price of booze up, that'll stop them. No it won't, but thats more money going into the Government coffers. Its like tellng us there is a shortage of petrol, the prices shoot up and pe3ople buy more than they should, the Government get more money...our Gordon is doing well out of this.
Hang on a moment...put the price of booze up, that'll stop them. No it won't, but thats more money going into the Government coffers. Its like tellng us there is a shortage of petrol, the prices shoot up and pe3ople buy more than they should, the Government get more money...our Gordon is doing well out of this.
Posted by: geo1, beith on 4:55pm Wed 18 Jun 08
once again the majority must suffer for the actions of a few and the gov. make more money another stealth tax
once again the majority must suffer for the actions of a few and the gov. make more money another stealth tax
Posted by: JOLLYTOMMY, LINWOOD on 5:08pm Wed 18 Jun 08
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE KIDS AT ASDA MORRISONS ETC BUYING DRINK NEVER ITS ALL THE CORNER SHOPS SO I HAVE TO WORK 40 ODD HOURS PER WEEK AND END UP PAYING MORE FOR MY WEE GLASS OF GLENS VODKA ETC I DONT THINK SO[bold]bold[/bold]
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE KIDS AT ASDA MORRISONS ETC BUYING DRINK NEVER ITS ALL THE CORNER SHOPS SO I HAVE TO WORK 40 ODD HOURS PER WEEK AND END UP PAYING MORE FOR MY WEE GLASS OF GLENS VODKA ETC I DONT THINK SO
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:14pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]John MacLean[/bold] wrote:
Hang on a moment...put the price of booze up, that'll stop them. No it won't, but thats more money going into the Government coffers. Its like tellng us there is a shortage of petrol, the prices shoot up and pe3ople buy more than they should, the Government get more money...our Gordon is doing well out of this.[/quote] Aye, well Gordie may be doing well out of this in the short term, long term he'll end up with theoretical egg on his face, and being no better than, if not worse then his predecessor.
What people will want to know is the real reasons for such price rises accross the board.
Fuel, food, now alcohol, the list goes on....
Also, when talk on the news is that the inflation rate could rise further than the current 3.3% - (the highest its been since 1997.)
Energy prices could rise by up to 40% this autumn, and the credit crunch is already biting us in the proverbial bum, Can things really get any worse ?
John MacLean wrote:
Hang on a moment...put the price of booze up, that'll stop them. No it won't, but thats more money going into the Government coffers. Its like tellng us there is a shortage of petrol, the prices shoot up and pe3ople buy more than they should, the Government get more money...our Gordon is doing well out of this.
Aye, well Gordie may be doing well out of this in the short term, long term he'll end up with theoretical egg on his face, and being no better than, if not worse then his predecessor.
What people will want to know is the real reasons for such price rises accross the board.
Fuel, food, now alcohol, the list goes on....
Also, when talk on the news is that the inflation rate could rise further than the current 3.3% - (the highest its been since 1997.)
Energy prices could rise by up to 40% this autumn, and the credit crunch is already biting us in the proverbial bum, Can things really get any worse ?
Posted by: John MacLean, Glasgow on 5:27pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Of course it can get worse, Labour might actually stay in power and the man who sold off the family jewels at a ridiculous rate could plunge us further into darkness.
Of course it can get worse, Labour might actually stay in power and the man who sold off the family jewels at a ridiculous rate could plunge us further into darkness.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:30pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]JOLLYTOMMY[/bold] wrote:
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE KIDS AT ASDA MORRISONS ETC BUYING DRINK NEVER ITS ALL THE CORNER SHOPS SO I HAVE TO WORK 40 ODD HOURS PER WEEK AND END UP PAYING MORE FOR MY WEE GLASS OF GLENS VODKA ETC I DONT THINK SO[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote]
Well said JOLLYTOMMY,
Local cornershops are reguarly flouting the law, and yet are rarely targeted by police operations, stings or set ups....
Maybe if the police were seen to be sending underage kids into shops and catching out the local traders we might see a reduction in the accessability of alcohol to the underage drinkers.
Like you say, why should people, and those sensible drinkers work their guts off, 40 hours a week, and be punished for it - when they cannot even buy alcohol at an acceptable price ( in relation to their earnings.)
JOLLYTOMMY wrote:
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THE KIDS AT ASDA MORRISONS ETC BUYING DRINK NEVER ITS ALL THE CORNER SHOPS SO I HAVE TO WORK 40 ODD HOURS PER WEEK AND END UP PAYING MORE FOR MY WEE GLASS OF GLENS VODKA ETC I DONT THINK SO
Well said JOLLYTOMMY,
Local cornershops are reguarly flouting the law, and yet are rarely targeted by police operations, stings or set ups....
Maybe if the police were seen to be sending underage kids into shops and catching out the local traders we might see a reduction in the accessability of alcohol to the underage drinkers.
Like you say, why should people, and those sensible drinkers work their guts off, 40 hours a week, and be punished for it - when they cannot even buy alcohol at an acceptable price ( in relation to their earnings.)
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:42pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
Typical spin from the paper which just two months ago used St Patrick's Day as an excuse to "buy" every ET reader a free pint, then threw their dummy out of the pram when the public saw the giveaway for what it really was.[/quote] Nice one Heather - like that analogy.
Incidently - I'm still waiting for 2 separate bottles of whisky I won as E.T. "Comment Of The Day" prizes months ago......
Think I'll stick to the "everyday vinyl" ( if you get my clue) at least it pays out £20.
Heather wrote:
Typical spin from the paper which just two months ago used St Patrick's Day as an excuse to "buy" every ET reader a free pint, then threw their dummy out of the pram when the public saw the giveaway for what it really was.
Nice one Heather - like that analogy.
Incidently - I'm still waiting for 2 separate bottles of whisky I won as E.T. "Comment Of The Day" prizes months ago......
Think I'll stick to the "everyday vinyl" ( if you get my clue) at least it pays out £20.
Posted by: TSM, Newlands on 5:52pm Wed 18 Jun 08
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.
Posted by: mkirsteen, Middle East on 6:05pm Wed 18 Jun 08
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.
Posted by: mkirsteen, Middle East on 6:14pm Wed 18 Jun 08
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.
Posted by: Jane Newlands, Glasgow on 6:17pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]mkirsteen[/bold] wrote:
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.[/quote] of course there are no drunk numpties in England.....
mkirsteen wrote:
This had made up my mind about returning back to Scotland. Will definetely be returning to live in England where such stupid laws are not being considered. Why should those of us who drink responsibly be penalised for the eejits in Scotland whose prime aim in life is to go out and get plastered. Make those who end up being hospitalised pay for their treatment. If they can't pay for it... Leave them. Plenty of other people need to use the NHS for non self-induced illnesses.
of course there are no drunk numpties in England.....
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:20pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Trouble is its these same eejits who need the assistance of the NHS - A & E so much, yet their abuse of alcohol, and in turn the health service will be to their cost.
Why ?
Because, with centralisation of services, and having to travel further to reach an A & E in the years to come, those who get drunk to oblivion had better think twice.....
The hoity toity, and polloi might not be too happy having the Southern General's A & E beds filled by underage drunkards, neds, and alkies.
And, the east end possy might gie these numpties the malky moving in on their patch, and taking up their right to a free bed for the night, and a cooked meal LOL ;-)
Cue Edna Bucket . . . .
Trouble is its these same eejits who need the assistance of the NHS - A & E so much, yet their abuse of alcohol, and in turn the health service will be to their cost.
Why ?
Because, with centralisation of services, and having to travel further to reach an A & E in the years to come, those who get drunk to oblivion had better think twice.....
The hoity toity, and polloi might not be too happy having the Southern General's A & E beds filled by underage drunkards, neds, and alkies.
And, the east end possy might gie these numpties the malky moving in on their patch, and taking up their right to a free bed for the night, and a cooked meal LOL ;-)
Cue Edna Bucket . . . .
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 6:38pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]TSM[/bold] wrote:
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.[/quote] What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness.
If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket.
If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket.
Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices.
We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
TSM wrote:
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.
What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness.
If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket.
If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket.
Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices.
We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 6:49pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[bold]hic solly people power, ah wiz just fiinishhin ma.. hic wee dram,... wassup, hey i love ye you know that hic...[/bold]
lol see the thing with drunks, you get you annoying ones who seem to be doatty and deaf, the aggressive ones, the sarcastic and nasty ones, and the ones who greet , then the ones who sleee finally the ones who get the jail for breaches and assualts etc! and depending on what state of mind the person is when they start drinking/ much they have, the nomally quite sleepy giggly drunk can turn loud obnoxious and aggressive. its unpredictable! or get behind a wheel and say am fine to drive...
i would not like to be a police or nhs worker or even a taxi driver, dealing with the idiots peeing, sicking, collapsing, everything else-ing you dont do when sober! arghhhhhh
adults who want to fry their livers have the right but is it fair to inflict it publicly on others, smokers can go off and smoke their lungs and puff out a windae, but alikes are out there arguing and getting the jail.
drink causes merry hell lowering the price of bevy willnae stop wee jakies getting their paws on it. they will still acquire it big bothers and sisters and older friends etc
i knew a respectable family around 10 years ago, they had 3 nice children, my nephew pals-ied about with the girl in primary years. i seen her aged 15 again she was being treated for alcoholism!
it is odd, no divorce, stable background, there is noreal cause known , what maybe starts as sneaking some of your mums wine at xmas could turn into a secret thing, looking older as teenaged lassies do, she could easily have obtained it with pocket money i daresay, am not in full possession of the facts, but a lot of folk I know are alkies and they are mainly women i have known who have always enjoyed 'being sociable' .
my alkie friend from school doesnt even have milk and teabags at home, and so was unable to offer me a brew, as she knew i was driving so she had irn bru and smirnoff with ice for hersel and i thought 'omg' no food in eithwr just baileys and vodka and lagers etc .
she holss downa job and her home is spotless, she had no children and she looks clean and attractive. but shes always reeking of bevy and its such a waste.
it is well hidden. a family member of mine works nightshift and finds empty red wine bottles and a large stemmed glass on wives bedside table every day .
not hanging about a chippy saying 'hey mr gonnae get us some bevy?' alcoholics are around in many shapes forms age groups.
uch well that was a huge post! the criminals get a warm cell and a meal you are right, better than some glasgow hotels....
people power ,you next....sorry i got a bit serious there. i suppose it warranted it
:-)
hic solly people power, ah wiz just fiinishhin ma.. hic wee dram,... wassup, hey i love ye you know that hic...
lol see the thing with drunks, you get you annoying ones who seem to be doatty and deaf, the aggressive ones, the sarcastic and nasty ones, and the ones who greet , then the ones who sleee finally the ones who get the jail for breaches and assualts etc! and depending on what state of mind the person is when they start drinking/ much they have, the nomally quite sleepy giggly drunk can turn loud obnoxious and aggressive. its unpredictable! or get behind a wheel and say am fine to drive...
i would not like to be a police or nhs worker or even a taxi driver, dealing with the idiots peeing, sicking, collapsing, everything else-ing you dont do when sober! arghhhhhh
adults who want to fry their livers have the right but is it fair to inflict it publicly on others, smokers can go off and smoke their lungs and puff out a windae, but alikes are out there arguing and getting the jail.
drink causes merry hell lowering the price of bevy willnae stop wee jakies getting their paws on it. they will still acquire it big bothers and sisters and older friends etc
i knew a respectable family around 10 years ago, they had 3 nice children, my nephew pals-ied about with the girl in primary years. i seen her aged 15 again she was being treated for alcoholism!
it is odd, no divorce, stable background, there is noreal cause known , what maybe starts as sneaking some of your mums wine at xmas could turn into a secret thing, looking older as teenaged lassies do, she could easily have obtained it with pocket money i daresay, am not in full possession of the facts, but a lot of folk I know are alkies and they are mainly women i have known who have always enjoyed 'being sociable' .
my alkie friend from school doesnt even have milk and teabags at home, and so was unable to offer me a brew, as she knew i was driving so she had irn bru and smirnoff with ice for hersel and i thought 'omg' no food in eithwr just baileys and vodka and lagers etc .
she holss downa job and her home is spotless, she had no children and she looks clean and attractive. but shes always reeking of bevy and its such a waste.
it is well hidden. a family member of mine works nightshift and finds empty red wine bottles and a large stemmed glass on wives bedside table every day .
not hanging about a chippy saying 'hey mr gonnae get us some bevy?' alcoholics are around in many shapes forms age groups.
uch well that was a huge post! the criminals get a warm cell and a meal you are right, better than some glasgow hotels....
people power ,you next....sorry i got a bit serious there. i suppose it warranted it
:-)
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:55pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]TSM[/bold] wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.[/quote] What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.[/quote]
If only Heather, If only!
The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally!
Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries,
But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill.
If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is.
Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need.
Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again.
Heather wrote:
TSM wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.
What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
If only Heather, If only!
The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally!
Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries,
But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill.
If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is.
Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need.
Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:30pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Aye Edna,
Very observational, even if minus the humour.
The humour is out there on our streets every weekend, you only have to watch the drunken antics of some of these numpties to have a larff.
Pity we can't have a programme with live coverage, or CCTV footage of the most amusing and embarrassing clips of folks drunken exploits.
We've seen the naming and shaming of drivers etc in the Evening Times, lets start naming and shaming the regular drunks in cells, and A & E units.
Maybe with a bit more self consciousness, respect, and awareness they might be on a telly show they might think twice about their randans ?
Any titles for such a show Edna ? ;-)
Aye Edna,
Very observational, even if minus the humour.
The humour is out there on our streets every weekend, you only have to watch the drunken antics of some of these numpties to have a larff.
Pity we can't have a programme with live coverage, or CCTV footage of the most amusing and embarrassing clips of folks drunken exploits.
We've seen the naming and shaming of drivers etc in the Evening Times, lets start naming and shaming the regular drunks in cells, and A & E units.
Maybe with a bit more self consciousness, respect, and awareness they might be on a telly show they might think twice about their randans ?
Any titles for such a show Edna ? ;-)
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 9:18pm Wed 18 Jun 08
oh aye that would be classic, as mind, et named and shamed folk who dropped crisp bags etc in the town recently! i think naming folk caught drink driving or being drunk and disorderly ,would be a better way to waste resources!?
silly folk who get virtually carried home and look like their brains really have no function left, and the body 'blacks out' this is serious cos at that point lapsing into unconsiousness, could happen then swallowing/choking on your vomit as you lose the ability to retch and get up and turn over, etc.
utube is full of some really hilarious folk though, who fall over in slo mo and are daft as brushes when intoxicated,lol
if you ever watch the programme on bravo i think booze britain it is called, it's amazing they got famous for showing off to the camera crew filmed boaking up all over street corners and told to count how many units they sink, having square goes and eating stinking food they would never dream of eating for fear of e coli and whatever,lol!
go into any city centre in the uk on a fri or sat, yer dicing wi death! and they are there! I think that the most sobering thing for folk who deny they have a drink probem, is to video them, play it back , and then they would maybe think twice?
am no expert and ive also never been drunk or passed out or forgotten where or who I was .its me course I cant am famous LOL I have the odd drink, now and again at parties etc that i gatecrash as i am never inited,lol, but could take or leave it. i stop when giggly !in fact i think i talk sense and become sober when drinking!! lmao
unfortunatly the 'over drinking/ dont realise they are drunk' crew will continue to get their mitts on bevy who go out in the public eye are creating a nuisance and it is a huge problem but cos everyone sees bevy as socially acceptable i dont think folk will care if it goes up in price.
lamenting that buckie is 5p mer LOL its ok as brew money went up in april as well to compensate !
:-)
everthing is overpriced now ,crap isnt it?
oh aye that would be classic, as mind, et named and shamed folk who dropped crisp bags etc in the town recently! i think naming folk caught drink driving or being drunk and disorderly ,would be a better way to waste resources!?
silly folk who get virtually carried home and look like their brains really have no function left, and the body 'blacks out' this is serious cos at that point lapsing into unconsiousness, could happen then swallowing/choking on your vomit as you lose the ability to retch and get up and turn over, etc.
utube is full of some really hilarious folk though, who fall over in slo mo and are daft as brushes when intoxicated,lol
if you ever watch the programme on bravo i think booze britain it is called, it's amazing they got famous for showing off to the camera crew filmed boaking up all over street corners and told to count how many units they sink, having square goes and eating stinking food they would never dream of eating for fear of e coli and whatever,lol!
go into any city centre in the uk on a fri or sat, yer dicing wi death! and they are there! I think that the most sobering thing for folk who deny they have a drink probem, is to video them, play it back , and then they would maybe think twice?
am no expert and ive also never been drunk or passed out or forgotten where or who I was .its me course I cant am famous LOL I have the odd drink, now and again at parties etc that i gatecrash as i am never inited,lol, but could take or leave it. i stop when giggly !in fact i think i talk sense and become sober when drinking!! lmao
unfortunatly the 'over drinking/ dont realise they are drunk' crew will continue to get their mitts on bevy who go out in the public eye are creating a nuisance and it is a huge problem but cos everyone sees bevy as socially acceptable i dont think folk will care if it goes up in price.
lamenting that buckie is 5p mer LOL its ok as brew money went up in april as well to compensate !
:-)
everthing is overpriced now ,crap isnt it?
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 9:31pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TSM[/bold] wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.[/quote] What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.[/quote] If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again. [/quote] You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid
ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.
People Power wrote:
Heather wrote: TSM wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.
What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again.
You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid
ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, drink is bad like michael jackson on 9:40pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote]RADICAL plans to change tactics in Scotland's battle with the bottle will start with young consumers and look at pricing them out of drinking too much, often using methods familiar to smokers.[/quote]
on fag packets ,hard hitting slogans and messages ' DONT SMOKE YE WILL FKN WELL DIE; DONT DO IT, THINK OF YOUR LUNGS; IF YOU SMOKE THESE YOU MAY GET LUNG CANCER; SMOKING KILLS, MY TEL NUMBER IS 0770 ,oops wrong fag packet..'
hard hitting slogans on bevy could be ' YOU ARE ON CCTV , EVERYONES LAUGHING; SWALLOW TOO MUCH OF THIS AND YOU COULD DIE A IN A POOL OF YOUR OWN ****/****/VOMIT; DRINKING ALCOHOL MAKES YOU LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR ..AND GUTS; YOU WILL EAT A KEBAB TONIGHT IF YOU CONSUME THIS PRODUCT;NOT RECOMMENDED FOR ANYONE UNDER 21 AS YOU MAY GET DRUNKER THAN THE GUYS AGED 50;DRINK ME AND FIGHT; STAB SOMEONE-JUST DRINK ME TONIGHT;KEEPING TIPPLING THIS IN YOUR GULLET IF YOU LIKE PRISON FOOD;YOU WILL BECOME HANDSOME THE MORE YOU DRINK; FREE BASIN, JUST BUY 10 TO QUALIFY;MSG FROM FPA TO FEMALE DRINKERS-HI HEN SEE U IN 9MTHS'
RADICAL plans to change tactics in Scotland's battle with the bottle will start with young consumers and look at pricing them out of drinking too much, often using methods familiar to smokers.
on fag packets ,hard hitting slogans and messages ' DONT SMOKE YE WILL FKN WELL DIE; DONT DO IT, THINK OF YOUR LUNGS; IF YOU SMOKE THESE YOU MAY GET LUNG CANCER; SMOKING KILLS, MY TEL NUMBER IS 0770 ,oops wrong fag packet..'
hard hitting slogans on bevy could be ' YOU ARE ON CCTV , EVERYONES LAUGHING; SWALLOW TOO MUCH OF THIS AND YOU COULD DIE A IN A POOL OF YOUR OWN ****/****/VOMIT; DRINKING ALCOHOL MAKES YOU LOSE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR ..AND GUTS; YOU WILL EAT A KEBAB TONIGHT IF YOU CONSUME THIS PRODUCT;NOT RECOMMENDED FOR ANYONE UNDER 21 AS YOU MAY GET DRUNKER THAN THE GUYS AGED 50;DRINK ME AND FIGHT; STAB SOMEONE-JUST DRINK ME TONIGHT;KEEPING TIPPLING THIS IN YOUR GULLET IF YOU LIKE PRISON FOOD;YOU WILL BECOME HANDSOME THE MORE YOU DRINK; FREE BASIN, JUST BUY 10 TO QUALIFY;MSG FROM FPA TO FEMALE DRINKERS-HI HEN SEE U IN 9MTHS'
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 10:06pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]brianscottie43[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TSM[/bold] wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.[/quote] What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.[/quote] If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again. [/quote] You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid
ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.[/quote] Sorry, but to me the notion of a health service which cares free of charge for everybody regardless of their personal responsibility in their own illness is claptrap.
And I see no problem with expanding the idea of fees for alcohol related treatment further to people with heart problems brought on by poor health and diet. Again, they chose their own health conditions as much as if they'd asked for them. The health service should be under no obligation to buckle under their weight, literally and figuratively.
People with legitimate health problems such as non-alcoholic liver disease would have nothing to worry about in a behavior-based system, unless they had something else to hide.
brianscottie43 wrote:
People Power wrote:
Heather wrote: TSM wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.
What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again.
You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid
ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.
Sorry, but to me the notion of a health service which cares free of charge for everybody regardless of their personal responsibility in their own illness is claptrap.
And I see no problem with expanding the idea of fees for alcohol related treatment further to people with heart problems brought on by poor health and diet. Again, they chose their own health conditions as much as if they'd asked for them. The health service should be under no obligation to buckle under their weight, literally and figuratively.
People with legitimate health problems such as non-alcoholic liver disease would have nothing to worry about in a behavior-based system, unless they had something else to hide.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:12pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Aye very witty Edna, yer sum kid!
So you dinna go on the booze cruise yerself then, wise move - as "the pigs" are turnin' into the unofficial taxi service, door to door delivery - from the door of the pub, to the door of yer very own cell.....
Maybee's its time to force pub owners to pick up the tabs, if they continually get their punters so drunk they cannae find there feet.
No one for chargin' and fines - but its who they get directed to that counts.
Chuggy - gum on the pavements - we get the fines for droppin' it - don't see any fines for the manufacturors.
Bevvying extraordinaire - we are fined for being "drunk & disorderly" etc, pub landlords aren't exactly totally innocent here though.
Offies, and corner shops selling bevvy to underage neds - do they ever get caught or fined ?
And, - specially for Brianscottie4, Toronto -
Get real pal! When people continually abuse the system, are admitted week in week out, abuse the staff treating them - verbally, and physically, and are ungreatful and rude why the he** should they get the service free of charge.
Unless we either have a 3 strikes and their out policy, or some way of charging them even in part, those who continually, and unneccessarily block A & E beds from the more serious, and life threatening cases need a wake up call. Simple as that.
Aye very witty Edna, yer sum kid!
So you dinna go on the booze cruise yerself then, wise move - as "the pigs" are turnin' into the unofficial taxi service, door to door delivery - from the door of the pub, to the door of yer very own cell.....
Maybee's its time to force pub owners to pick up the tabs, if they continually get their punters so drunk they cannae find there feet.
No one for chargin' and fines - but its who they get directed to that counts.
Chuggy - gum on the pavements - we get the fines for droppin' it - don't see any fines for the manufacturors.
Bevvying extraordinaire - we are fined for being "drunk & disorderly" etc, pub landlords aren't exactly totally innocent here though.
Offies, and corner shops selling bevvy to underage neds - do they ever get caught or fined ?
And, - specially for Brianscottie4, Toronto -
Get real pal! When people continually abuse the system, are admitted week in week out, abuse the staff treating them - verbally, and physically, and are ungreatful and rude why the he** should they get the service free of charge.
Unless we either have a 3 strikes and their out policy, or some way of charging them even in part, those who continually, and unneccessarily block A & E beds from the more serious, and life threatening cases need a wake up call. Simple as that.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 10:28pm Wed 18 Jun 08
remember tenents put glamour girls on cans to entice men to drink their products ,or lezzas i guess,lol,so how about big bertha with warts,like she devil actress but hairier, or men dressed as women to say 'if you drink, you may get caught wearing your wives clothes in sauchiehall st on cctv, like this daft geezer,'stranger things have happened or something pictorial to shock folk into not getting drunk! show the some drunken women at a hen party running amok with pink banners etc....dsplay drunk images on a bottle of bacardi breezer-enough to keep you home with a cup of tea that image!
remember tenents put glamour girls on cans to entice men to drink their products ,or lezzas i guess,lol,so how about big bertha with warts,like she devil actress but hairier, or men dressed as women to say 'if you drink, you may get caught wearing your wives clothes in sauchiehall st on cctv, like this daft geezer,'stranger things have happened or something pictorial to shock folk into not getting drunk! show the some drunken women at a hen party running amok with pink banners etc....dsplay drunk images on a bottle of bacardi breezer-enough to keep you home with a cup of tea that image!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:33pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Aye, you done it again - rib tickler extraordinaire that's you! You should be up on the stage at the Stand Comedy Club - funny bugger!
tuning out now,
Catch you ra-morra P.P ;-)
Aye, you done it again - rib tickler extraordinaire that's you! You should be up on the stage at the Stand Comedy Club - funny bugger!
tuning out now,
Catch you ra-morra P.P ;-)
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 12:39am Thu 19 Jun 08
Raising the price won't make any difference,the easiest way to get out of your face is to mix your drinks, and this is what teenagers do, thereby getting very very drunk,very very cheaply.
Raising the price won't make any difference,the easiest way to get out of your face is to mix your drinks, and this is what teenagers do, thereby getting very very drunk,very very cheaply.
Posted by: weeterry, glasgow on 2:12am Thu 19 Jun 08
usual use other peoples misfortunes to take more money of the decent people
usual use other peoples misfortunes to take more money of the decent people
Posted by: stevie5, subway on 9:37am Thu 19 Jun 08
Join up young man get shot bombed and otherwise have your life terminated but dont attempt to buy booze before your 21 its far too dangerous
Join up young man get shot bombed and otherwise have your life terminated but dont attempt to buy booze before your 21 its far too dangerous
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:38am Thu 19 Jun 08
21 - I pickd up a leaflet from Morrisons which states [italic]"If you look under 25 please do not be offended if we ask you for proof of age whe you buy alcohol"[/italic] - So what is it ?
25? or 21?
Anyway, for those in their thirties, who look eternally young, or have these boyish looks ( the guys that is) they should be flattered if their asked for I.D. Works both ways - LOL ;-)
21 - I pickd up a leaflet from Morrisons which states
"If you look under 25 please do not be offended if we ask you for proof of age whe you buy alcohol" - So what is it ?
25? or 21?
Anyway, for those in their thirties, who look eternally young, or have these boyish looks ( the guys that is) they should be flattered if their asked for I.D. Works both ways - LOL ;-)
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:44pm Thu 19 Jun 08
on attending the hospital with one of my sons(cut hand) we were watching the comings and goings of patienta and one patient was on a hospital trolley waiting to be looked over, the nurse asked his name and where he worked , he told his name and told the nurse he was a LAWYER, ...see, its not only the low life who get blotto,(and to be quite frank some of these judges hand out ridiculous sentences for high crimes), i would put a bet on that our learned judges are 'under the weather' half the time!
on attending the hospital with one of my sons(cut hand) we were watching the comings and goings of patienta and one patient was on a hospital trolley waiting to be looked over, the nurse asked his name and where he worked , he told his name and told the nurse he was a LAWYER, ...see, its not only the low life who get blotto,(and to be quite frank some of these judges hand out ridiculous sentences for high crimes), i would put a bet on that our learned judges are 'under the weather' half the time!
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:54pm Thu 19 Jun 08
i look ma age unfortunatly lol over 21 for a while noo....
maybe the 21 or 25 refers to the weight of the purchaser- in stone?lol
lol trench eh, a wee swig or two after a hard days deliberations over an alkie who assaulted someoene no doubt!!
i look ma age unfortunatly lol over 21 for a while noo....
maybe the 21 or 25 refers to the weight of the purchaser- in stone?lol
lol trench eh, a wee swig or two after a hard days deliberations over an alkie who assaulted someoene no doubt!!
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 7:22pm Thu 19 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]brianscottie43[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TSM[/bold] wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.[/quote] What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.[/quote] If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again. [/quote] You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.[/quote] Sorry, but to me the notion of a health service which cares free of charge for everybody regardless of their personal responsibility in their own illness is claptrap. And I see no problem with expanding the idea of fees for alcohol related treatment further to people with heart problems brought on by poor health and diet. Again, they chose their own health conditions as much as if they'd asked for them. The health service should be under no obligation to buckle under their weight, literally and figuratively. People with legitimate health problems such as non-alcoholic liver disease would have nothing to worry about in a behavior-based system, unless they had something else to hide.[/quote] I'm sorry, but I still think you don't get it. Almost everyone's health is influenced by lifestyle in some form or another. People practising higher-risk sports/other activities would not be covered under your NHS along with numerous other instances. I suspect you're in the position of being able to afford private medical care. Unfortunately most people are not. The British NHS is the envy of the world, and rightly so. It is not perfect but neither is a private medical system. Our Canadian system is similar although private medical care is illegal here under the premise that it creates a two-tier system. A national health system must be non-judgemental or it would never work.
Heather wrote:
brianscottie43 wrote: People Power wrote: Heather wrote: TSM wrote: We keep missing the big trick. Unlike America, we have no laws banning the consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it. The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop. Then, like America, enforce it. Job done.
What also helps over there is that most health insurers simply will not pay out for alcohol-related injury or illness. If you show up in A&E covered in blood and needing your stomach pumped, you will pay for the treatment out of pocket. If you need a liver transplant from a life of alcohol abuse, you will pay for it out of pocket. Let's see some real bravery and have the Scottish NHS start billing the people who are causing the real drain on our health service. If you can't pay your mortgage or your bills because you're paying your NHS bill? Don't complain, because you asked to be put into that spot through your own choices. We have to acknowledge that the health service safety net contributes to our national alcohol problem. Time to move the net.
If only Heather, If only! The constant re-admissions of drunks, either through injury, or loss of consciousness need a serious wake up call literally! Alcohol may be a pain killer for the physical pain of superficial injuries, But, lets see people cope with the financial sting when their told the cost of their bill. If that isn't a sobering thought, I don't know what is. Yes, our NHS is re-known throughout the western world for being free to the point of need. Maybe this has to be changed, for those who continually abuse and milk the system, and verbally abuse / assault nursing - medical staff knowingly, and irresponsibly time and time again.
You really are thick if you buy this claptrap. Firstly, you have a Nationsl Health System which governs everyone in your country. The system is not supposed/allowed to judge. What size of beaurocracy do you think you'd require if everyone "applying" for medical care had to be vetted to determine if lifestyle is at the root of the problem. Are you prepared for the tax increase needed to cover the costs. I've had a liver(cirrhosis)/kid ney transplant and have never consumed alcohol in my life, but everyone assumed that I was an alcoholic. No doubt you would have me produce a litany of evidence that I was not a drinker. What about colon cancer? Is your diet such that it may have contributed to your condition? What about heart problems which are certainly most problematic in Scotland with some of the worst eating habits in the civilised world. Education is the only answer, not increasing prices or denying people appropriate medical care.
Sorry, but to me the notion of a health service which cares free of charge for everybody regardless of their personal responsibility in their own illness is claptrap. And I see no problem with expanding the idea of fees for alcohol related treatment further to people with heart problems brought on by poor health and diet. Again, they chose their own health conditions as much as if they'd asked for them. The health service should be under no obligation to buckle under their weight, literally and figuratively. People with legitimate health problems such as non-alcoholic liver disease would have nothing to worry about in a behavior-based system, unless they had something else to hide.
I'm sorry, but I still think you don't get it. Almost everyone's health is influenced by lifestyle in some form or another. People practising higher-risk sports/other activities would not be covered under your NHS along with numerous other instances. I suspect you're in the position of being able to afford private medical care. Unfortunately most people are not. The British NHS is the envy of the world, and rightly so. It is not perfect but neither is a private medical system. Our Canadian system is similar although private medical care is illegal here under the premise that it creates a two-tier system. A national health system must be non-judgemental or it would never work.
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 10:43pm Thu 19 Jun 08
I certainly "get" a lot more about the reality of the health care system in Scotland and the UK than someone pontificating from a high horse in Toronto.
I certainly "get" a lot more about the reality of the health care system in Scotland and the UK than someone pontificating from a high horse in Toronto.
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 2:39pm Fri 20 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Heather[/bold] wrote:
I certainly "get" a lot more about the reality of the health care system in Scotland and the UK than someone pontificating from a high horse in Toronto.[/quote] If stating the facts is pontificating, then mea culpa. It's disappointing that you must resort to an insult because you cannot present a rational argument. Certainly you know incredibly much more about the intricacies of health care in Scotland than I do, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that everyone gets care regardless of how they arrived at their condition. Your position is held by many Canadians about our system, but they are just as wrong as you. You either have universal health care or you have nothing. Believe me the universal one is far superior. I can only assume you have no family members, friends or associates who practice what you must regard as a risky lifestyle, or you would be forced to watch them suffer/die in your healthcare system.
Heather wrote:
I certainly "get" a lot more about the reality of the health care system in Scotland and the UK than someone pontificating from a high horse in Toronto.
If stating the facts is pontificating, then mea culpa. It's disappointing that you must resort to an insult because you cannot present a rational argument. Certainly you know incredibly much more about the intricacies of health care in Scotland than I do, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that everyone gets care regardless of how they arrived at their condition. Your position is held by many Canadians about our system, but they are just as wrong as you. You either have universal health care or you have nothing. Believe me the universal one is far superior. I can only assume you have no family members, friends or associates who practice what you must regard as a risky lifestyle, or you would be forced to watch them suffer/die in your healthcare system.
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