Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 11:07am Wed 18 Jun 08
It is a well known fact, drunks are a disgrace, not knowing when to stop. arguing with folk and even assaulting nurses who try and help them after they start fights or fall down and bang heads open. most criminal cite drink for everything they do, and hope to get away with it.
I am not even surprised as the whole nation who pub and club are drunk and drugged out of their eyeballs that is what they 'enjoy'doing ata weekdend to be 'social' the idiots.
am all for moderation and safe limits and increasing age limits as drink is a bigger curse and lethal and more freely available than any drug known to man.
the damage it causes ripples through our whole country and affects wives who get battered, and children who get neglected by alcoholic parents etc etc, drink drivers, and it is a big problem that is rife every weekend , esp in summer for the hot weather brings the drinkers out as well! madness.
It is a well known fact, drunks are a disgrace, not knowing when to stop. arguing with folk and even assaulting nurses who try and help them after they start fights or fall down and bang heads open. most criminal cite drink for everything they do, and hope to get away with it.
I am not even surprised as the whole nation who pub and club are drunk and drugged out of their eyeballs that is what they 'enjoy'doing ata weekdend to be 'social' the idiots.
am all for moderation and safe limits and increasing age limits as drink is a bigger curse and lethal and more freely available than any drug known to man.
the damage it causes ripples through our whole country and affects wives who get battered, and children who get neglected by alcoholic parents etc etc, drink drivers, and it is a big problem that is rife every weekend , esp in summer for the hot weather brings the drinkers out as well! madness.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:23am Wed 18 Jun 08
If I recall rightly, most homicides are committed under the influence too.
Solve Scotland's drink problem and you'll solve most of the others too...
If I recall rightly, most homicides are committed under the influence too.
Solve Scotland's drink problem and you'll solve most of the others too...
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 11:24am Wed 18 Jun 08
under the influence
not totally steaming
so its faitr to say that some of these people will have had only one drink
gies peace with the booze thing
we're big boys and girls
and in a country where it is legal to buy booze at 18, is it not a breach of an individuals rights to refuse them booze if they are under 21?
under the influence
not totally steaming
so its faitr to say that some of these people will have had only one drink
gies peace with the booze thing
we're big boys and girls
and in a country where it is legal to buy booze at 18, is it not a breach of an individuals rights to refuse them booze if they are under 21?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:35am Wed 18 Jun 08
Edna, agree with you - makes you wonder why one of the biggest 'news' stories in the ET today is a free advert for a pub... well it would if you didn't know that the ET is in the back-pocket of the G1 Group!
Brad, take one step backwards and see the bigger picture, [bold]drinking is an effect not a cause[/bold]: solve the highest levels of social deprivation and poverty in Western Europe here in Glasgow and you'll solve the drinking problem.
Now put the two points above together and you'll get the answer: New Labour's (and their chums the Tories') - together with a self-serving media's - [bold]inability or indifference to solving Glasgow's poverty disgrace have contributed greatly to the disgustingly high levels of crime in this city[/bold].
Edna, agree with you - makes you wonder why one of the biggest 'news' stories in the ET today is a free advert for a pub... well it would if you didn't know that the ET is in the back-pocket of the G1 Group!
Brad, take one step backwards and see the bigger picture,
drinking is an effect not a cause: solve the highest levels of social deprivation and poverty in Western Europe here in Glasgow and you'll solve the drinking problem.
Now put the two points above together and you'll get the answer: New Labour's (and their chums the Tories') - together with a self-serving media's -
inability or indifference to solving Glasgow's poverty disgrace have contributed greatly to the disgustingly high levels of crime in this city.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:43am Wed 18 Jun 08
Police targets eh,
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:48am Wed 18 Jun 08
Perfect timing with this story, since euro 2008 started we have seen crazy specials on booze from all the supermarkets like 60 bottles of beer for £20 until the government sort out the retailers and stop these crazy prices then we will always have binge drinking. The SNP government yesterday announced plans to increase the price of problem booze but they won’t increase the price of ‘buckie’ so clearly Mr Salmond and Ms Sturgeon have shown favour to their favourite tipple and I can just imagine them sitting doon the swing park swigging fae a bottle shouting at the old ladies as they walk past, are the SNP on a profit share from the abbey?
They want us to think they are doing something about it but ‘buckie’ is a major problem and SNP like labour have ‘bottled’ it and won’t clamp down on the nasty tipple.
Perfect timing with this story, since euro 2008 started we have seen crazy specials on booze from all the supermarkets like 60 bottles of beer for £20 until the government sort out the retailers and stop these crazy prices then we will always have binge drinking. The SNP government yesterday announced plans to increase the price of problem booze but they won’t increase the price of ‘buckie’ so clearly Mr Salmond and Ms Sturgeon have shown favour to their favourite tipple and I can just imagine them sitting doon the swing park swigging fae a bottle shouting at the old ladies as they walk past, are the SNP on a profit share from the abbey?
They want us to think they are doing something about it but ‘buckie’ is a major problem and SNP like labour have ‘bottled’ it and won’t clamp down on the nasty tipple.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:49am Wed 18 Jun 08
I think the two are intertwined, Sydney. Difficult now to break the culture of poverty when alcohol abuse is so much part of that. If your mother doesn't lay off the bevvy when you're in the womb, you suffer before you're even born.
I think the two are intertwined, Sydney. Difficult now to break the culture of poverty when alcohol abuse is so much part of that. If your mother doesn't lay off the bevvy when you're in the womb, you suffer before you're even born.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 12:12pm Wed 18 Jun 08
About 4 years ago my wifes friend (who's also a nurse) was punched in the stomach and spat on by a 17 year old drunk, who she was trying to help after he had his nose broke on Friday night.
She spat back at him in retaliiation, and she was charged by the police for assaulting a minor.
I kid you not.
About 4 years ago my wifes friend (who's also a nurse) was punched in the stomach and spat on by a 17 year old drunk, who she was trying to help after he had his nose broke on Friday night.
She spat back at him in retaliiation, and she was charged by the police for assaulting a minor.
I kid you not.
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 12:13pm Wed 18 Jun 08
They are thinking of introducing alcohol only tills. The thinking is that you will moderate how much alcohol you buy because your peers will see you..Somebody gets paid mega bucks for coming up with this trash..Another wee gem is that MPs are getting a £10k pay rise..
They are thinking of introducing alcohol only tills. The thinking is that you will moderate how much alcohol you buy because your peers will see you..Somebody gets paid mega bucks for coming up with this trash..Another wee gem is that MPs are getting a £10k pay rise..
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:06pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
They are thinking of introducing alcohol only tills. The thinking is that you will moderate how much alcohol you buy because your peers will see you..Somebody gets paid mega bucks for coming up with this trash..Another wee gem is that MPs are getting a £10k pay rise..[/quote] Actually, similar things already operate in other countries.
For instance, in Sweden, alcohol can only be bought in government controlled off-licenses. The rationale is that if you take away the profit motivation, then alcohol related problems are reduced. Similar restricted off licenses are also in operation in Norway, Finland, Iceland, Canada and parts of the US.
Opening hours for these off licenses in Sweden are restricted, meaning that you can't buy alcohol after 7pm during the week and 2pm/3pm on weekends. Again, its taking away the impulse buy from alcohol sales.
Within the off license, discount offers are prohibited and all drinks are sold individually.
The minimum purchase age is 20 years although you are able to buy alcohol in restaurants and bars from 18 years old.
I hear your pain wrote:
They are thinking of introducing alcohol only tills. The thinking is that you will moderate how much alcohol you buy because your peers will see you..Somebody gets paid mega bucks for coming up with this trash..Another wee gem is that MPs are getting a £10k pay rise..
Actually, similar things already operate in other countries.
For instance, in Sweden, alcohol can only be bought in government controlled off-licenses. The rationale is that if you take away the profit motivation, then alcohol related problems are reduced. Similar restricted off licenses are also in operation in Norway, Finland, Iceland, Canada and parts of the US.
Opening hours for these off licenses in Sweden are restricted, meaning that you can't buy alcohol after 7pm during the week and 2pm/3pm on weekends. Again, its taking away the impulse buy from alcohol sales.
Within the off license, discount offers are prohibited and all drinks are sold individually.
The minimum purchase age is 20 years although you are able to buy alcohol in restaurants and bars from 18 years old.
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 1:10pm Wed 18 Jun 08
The opinion poll on the Evening Times is currentky running at 67% agreeing with Kenny MacAskill on raising the age limit to 21.
It's not a scientific poll of course but indicative of the support I think this will have.
Drinking, particularly by young people, is getting totally out of control. That's what most people think like it or not and they want something done about it.
The opinion poll on the Evening Times is currentky running at 67% agreeing with Kenny MacAskill on raising the age limit to 21.
It's not a scientific poll of course but indicative of the support I think this will have.
Drinking, particularly by young people, is getting totally out of control. That's what most people think like it or not and they want something done about it.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 1:19pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Just to get thsi out the way, i have been a SNP supporter in the past. But if the SNP attempts to push through the alcohol legislation then i will vote against the SNP. What the SNP are doing is no better than social engineering. If a legal adult is not allowed to have a choice in what they drink (or eat) then thats a form of fascism telling the country what they can and cant do to themselvres. What next? Mass medication by the water supply? Why should i be penalised in the supermarket with dearer prices foced by the government and separate checkouts for booze only sales. How will that curtail teen drinking and violence ? It wont. Any attempt to restrict drink sales to [bold]adults[/bold] is going to crearte a backlash. SNP rethink you policy.
Just to get thsi out the way, i have been a SNP supporter in the past. But if the SNP attempts to push through the alcohol legislation then i will vote against the SNP. What the SNP are doing is no better than social engineering. If a legal adult is not allowed to have a choice in what they drink (or eat) then thats a form of fascism telling the country what they can and cant do to themselvres. What next? Mass medication by the water supply? Why should i be penalised in the supermarket with dearer prices foced by the government and separate checkouts for booze only sales. How will that curtail teen drinking and violence ? It wont. Any attempt to restrict drink sales to
adults is going to crearte a backlash. SNP rethink you policy.
Posted by: jrb, Glasgow on 1:38pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Recent figures show that the damage caused by alcohol abuse to both the individual and society is horrendous.Smokers have been subject to draconian measures these past years bans, price increases,stark warnings on packets yet you see nothing on bottle or cans on the dangers of abusing and consuming large amounts of alcohol.
Recent figures show that the damage caused by alcohol abuse to both the individual and society is horrendous.Smokers have been subject to draconian measures these past years bans, price increases,stark warnings on packets yet you see nothing on bottle or cans on the dangers of abusing and consuming large amounts of alcohol.
Posted by: joan-joan, Glasgow on 1:41pm Wed 18 Jun 08
My bro used to be a prison officer in Barlinnie. He reckoned that the jail would be about 2/3 empty if it wasn't for drink & drugs.
My bro used to be a prison officer in Barlinnie. He reckoned that the jail would be about 2/3 empty if it wasn't for drink & drugs.
Posted by: the_realist, Glasgow on 2:11pm Wed 18 Jun 08
So, the 'minimum pricing will unfairly penalise the responsible drinking majority'? Well, you might not have noticed, but things are now so out of hand that it is this very section of society that is frightened to venture beyond its front door of an evening for fear of being verbally or physically abused by drunken morons. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can either take some drastic steps to curtail the sale of alcohol or you can stay in yer hoose and spend the rest of your life being frightened. This is now such a serious issue that it is adversely affecting the lives of the responsible majority.
So, the 'minimum pricing will unfairly penalise the responsible drinking majority'? Well, you might not have noticed, but things are now so out of hand that it is this very section of society that is frightened to venture beyond its front door of an evening for fear of being verbally or physically abused by drunken morons. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can either take some drastic steps to curtail the sale of alcohol or you can stay in yer hoose and spend the rest of your life being frightened. This is now such a serious issue that it is adversely affecting the lives of the responsible majority.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 2:23pm Wed 18 Jun 08
I haven't ever seen a drunk person being refused drink in my life. I'm 29, and I've probably been drinking regulary since about 20, haven't ever seen it. Pub Landlords would grab your money at any chance. As long as the wee alchies can prop themselves on the bar, then they would take the money.
I haven't ever seen a drunk person being refused drink in my life. I'm 29, and I've probably been drinking regulary since about 20, haven't ever seen it. Pub Landlords would grab your money at any chance. As long as the wee alchies can prop themselves on the bar, then they would take the money.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:28pm Wed 18 Jun 08
rab...i believe you about the nurse being spat on, the police usualy lift the drunks shirt or t shirt over their heads covering the face and tie it at the back of the head, put a lable on with the word SPITTER on(its a wonder the nurse was not charged for not doing something like this, therfore puting people in danger of contamination of sorts(must not upset the thugs)haha.
rab...i believe you about the nurse being spat on, the police usualy lift the drunks shirt or t shirt over their heads covering the face and tie it at the back of the head, put a lable on with the word SPITTER on(its a wonder the nurse was not charged for not doing something like this, therfore puting people in danger of contamination of sorts(must not upset the thugs)haha.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:37pm Wed 18 Jun 08
its strange that alkys who injure or kill people blame their crimes on alcohol....but never injure themselves, never fall in front of a vehicle,never jab a broken glass into their own face.....very strange.
its strange that alkys who injure or kill people blame their crimes on alcohol....but never injure themselves, never fall in front of a vehicle,never jab a broken glass into their own face.....very strange.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:07pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote]For many years, this place has been awash with Methadone and anything else that roughly 40% of the population in Glasgow can get their hands on to anethesise their brains with. That includes booze.
Skilled people were tossed on to the scrapheap, nothing was there to replace that decline, this is the spin off's we see today which isn't good, people had to do something to earn money and that's when the drugs trade flourished, but it is the fault of the people, even if it meant the other choice was to wither and die of a pathetic existence.
Its dog eat dog out there on the street and if Purcell is to turn around the failings of the days of Hardcore Thatcherism and New Labour Lunacy, then he has a heavy job on his hands.
Will he succeed or will he become God?
We can only wait and see.[/quote]
This above quote was from the comments page last week in relation to PR Junkie Purcell trying to create 50,000 jobs.
At the same time the system is screwing the people even if the media and others are portraying Glasgow as a lovely place to be when in fact, its not!
Socially, It hasn't been for a long time!
For many years, this place has been awash with Methadone and anything else that roughly 40% of the population in Glasgow can get their hands on to anethesise their brains with. That includes booze.
Skilled people were tossed on to the scrapheap, nothing was there to replace that decline, this is the spin off's we see today which isn't good, people had to do something to earn money and that's when the drugs trade flourished, but it is the fault of the people, even if it meant the other choice was to wither and die of a pathetic existence.
Its dog eat dog out there on the street and if Purcell is to turn around the failings of the days of Hardcore Thatcherism and New Labour Lunacy, then he has a heavy job on his hands.
Will he succeed or will he become God?
We can only wait and see.
This above quote was from the comments page last week in relation to PR Junkie Purcell trying to create 50,000 jobs.
At the same time the system is screwing the people even if the media and others are portraying Glasgow as a lovely place to be when in fact, its not!
Socially, It hasn't been for a long time!
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 3:32pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]trench[/bold] wrote:
its strange that alkys who injure or kill people blame their crimes on
alcohol....but never injure themselves, never fall in front of a
vehicle,never jab a broken glass into their own face.....very strange.[/quote] Alcohol numbs the pain.
trench wrote:
its strange that alkys who injure or kill people blame their crimes on
alcohol....but never injure themselves, never fall in front of a
vehicle,never jab a broken glass into their own face.....very strange.
Alcohol numbs the pain.
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 3:59pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Edna, agree with you - makes you wonder why one of the biggest 'news' stories in the ET today is a free advert for a pub... well it would if you didn't know that the ET is in the back-pocket of the G1 Group! Brad, take one step backwards and see the bigger picture, [bold]drinking is an effect not a cause[/bold]: solve the highest levels of social deprivation and poverty in Western Europe here in Glasgow and you'll solve the drinking problem. Now put the two points above together and you'll get the answer: New Labour's (and their chums the Tories') - together with a self-serving media's - [bold]inability or indifference to solving Glasgow's poverty disgrace have contributed greatly to the disgustingly high levels of crime in this city[/bold].[/quote] Obviously, all of those getting blitzed in the city centre's expensive pubs and clubs every weekend are suffering from social deprivation.....
Tell you one thing, the way you can twist any story round to your own agenda would be enough to drive anyone to drink.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Edna, agree with you - makes you wonder why one of the biggest 'news' stories in the ET today is a free advert for a pub... well it would if you didn't know that the ET is in the back-pocket of the G1 Group! Brad, take one step backwards and see the bigger picture, drinking is an effect not a cause: solve the highest levels of social deprivation and poverty in Western Europe here in Glasgow and you'll solve the drinking problem. Now put the two points above together and you'll get the answer: New Labour's (and their chums the Tories') - together with a self-serving media's - inability or indifference to solving Glasgow's poverty disgrace have contributed greatly to the disgustingly high levels of crime in this city.
Obviously, all of those getting blitzed in the city centre's expensive pubs and clubs every weekend are suffering from social deprivation.....
Tell you one thing, the way you can twist any story round to your own agenda would be enough to drive anyone to drink.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 4:41pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Its bloody tremendous that you won't tell us what pub those two workers with TB worked. If I get sick I'm sueing the face of you.
Its bloody tremendous that you won't tell us what pub those two workers with TB worked. If I get sick I'm sueing the face of you.
Posted by: weeterry, glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 18 Jun 08
the people making these decisions are just as thick as the neds.well suppose if we didnt have the bucky we wouldnt have the neds so it would be silly as we need our neds couldnt have that glasgow with no neds no crime no excuse for crime, nothing to look forward to coming out of jail. but then most of our students are drunken louts so no wonder our mps dont want it banned. is any of mcaskills family bucky swalliers.
the people making these decisions are just as thick as the neds.well suppose if we didnt have the bucky we wouldnt have the neds so it would be silly as we need our neds couldnt have that glasgow with no neds no crime no excuse for crime, nothing to look forward to coming out of jail. but then most of our students are drunken louts so no wonder our mps dont want it banned. is any of mcaskills family bucky swalliers.
Posted by: DannyF, Nijmegen on 5:23pm Wed 18 Jun 08
If you think the Swedish models works, think again. I spent 5 years there and Stockholm is full of drunks at the weekend. Also the Swedes make their own Schnapps which is lethal stuff. The situation is the same in Finland.
If you think the Swedish models works, think again. I spent 5 years there and Stockholm is full of drunks at the weekend. Also the Swedes make their own Schnapps which is lethal stuff. The situation is the same in Finland.
Posted by: TSM, Glasgow on 5:41pm Wed 18 Jun 08
The Scandinavian countries all have massive drink problems so there is nothing to be learned from them.
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the [bold][italic]consumption[/italic] [/bold] of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.
The Scandinavian countries all have massive drink problems so there is nothing to be learned from them.
We keep missing the big trick.
Unlike America, we have no laws banning the
consumption of alcohol at any age. So even if the purchasing age is raised to 25 the wee 14 year old neds will still get their hands on the stuff and legally drink it.
The solution is so simple; raise the age of consumption to 18, full stop.
Then, like America, enforce it.
Job done.
Posted by: John Kebab, Glasgow on 5:47pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Can I do my own mini poll?
How many folk here buy drink for the 12-17 year olds that hang about off licences every Fri/Sat night?
I certainly dont, but what annoys me...I actually say 'Sorry, no'!!
It will be the same youngsters that ends up smashing my car windscreen 3 hours later when they are out their chesticles on Buckie!!
Can I do my own mini poll?
How many folk here buy drink for the 12-17 year olds that hang about off licences every Fri/Sat night?
I certainly dont, but what annoys me...I actually say 'Sorry, no'!!
It will be the same youngsters that ends up smashing my car windscreen 3 hours later when they are out their chesticles on Buckie!!
Posted by: ronnie, glasgow north on 6:10pm Wed 18 Jun 08
the laws an **** rite enough you provide the liances to go out and drink and sell drink in our shops and noo its gettin out of hand for you, you think by raising the cost it will stop, people will drink outwith the laws by accesssing drink else were if they really want to it will just go underground like the drugs and fag trade open yer eyes [bold]bold[/bold]
the laws an **** rite enough you provide the liances to go out and drink and sell drink in our shops and noo its gettin out of hand for you, you think by raising the cost it will stop, people will drink outwith the laws by accesssing drink else were if they really want to it will just go underground like the drugs and fag trade open yer eyes
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 6:50pm Wed 18 Jun 08
if a 19 year old soldier comes back from iraq/afghanistan he will not be able to buy himself a carry out but he can die for his country.just another case of the rights of the many being taken away because of the mindless few.raising the price of alcohol only puts more millions in the governments purse another tax on the many.
if a 19 year old soldier comes back from iraq/afghanistan he will not be able to buy himself a carry out but he can die for his country.just another case of the rights of the many being taken away because of the mindless few.raising the price of alcohol only puts more millions in the governments purse another tax on the many.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 8:02pm Wed 18 Jun 08
Is it the availability of alcohol and social deprivation causing higher alcohol consumption in Glasgow that leads to crime?
Glasgow is the murder capital of Western europe - there are plenty of other more deprived areas and the cheapness and ease in buying alcohol is pretty much nationwide.
I think it is a reflection of a pervasive pro-drinking culture with all it's association of a 'good time', glamour and where people are considered heroes if they drink to excess?
Tie this in with the similar culture where knife carrying is high, and there's your outcome - only Lithuania has a higher murder rate.
Is it the availability of alcohol and social deprivation causing higher alcohol consumption in Glasgow that leads to crime?
Glasgow is the murder capital of Western europe - there are plenty of other more deprived areas and the cheapness and ease in buying alcohol is pretty much nationwide.
I think it is a reflection of a pervasive pro-drinking culture with all it's association of a 'good time', glamour and where people are considered heroes if they drink to excess?
Tie this in with the similar culture where knife carrying is high, and there's your outcome - only Lithuania has a higher murder rate.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:45pm Wed 18 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote:
About 4 years ago my wifes friend (who's also a nurse) was punched in the stomach and spat on by a 17 year old drunk, who she was trying to help after he had his nose broke on Friday night. She spat back at him in retaliiation, and she was charged by the police for assaulting a minor. I kid you not.[/quote]
(better late than never.....)
Rab, this is the exact kind of hypocrisy, and rediculous scenarios we see day in day out.
The Police seem to be under the delusion that their crime statistics, numbers of arrests etc all paint the picture that our criminal fraternity are under control, and everything is rosy....
Well let me just say, it sure aint.
With this kind of figure, surely this is proof that is wont matter whether the police lift 3,000 drunks or 30,000.....
The end product is the same, we still have people continually being processed, repeatedly charged for similar offences, and drunk - or drunk and disorderly every weekend.
So, lets not boast about figures here.
The whole way in which drunks are arrested, charged, and wait to appear in court is a huge waste of police, courts resources and time.
Surely we must find a way to solve this problem and treat the root of the problem, not just the end result.
As long as we have such a huge pub culture, with so many pubsl offies, supermarkets, and corner shops all selling alcohol, we will have a major problem of excesive availability.
Lets have a balance and look at more continental style 24 hour cafe's and places people can go for food, and non - alcoholic drinks.
Glasgow did once have the "Insomnia Cafe" years ago on Woodlands Road, sadly it shut down.
Until we get back to such cafes etc, people will opt for pubs everytime. Give folk the choice, and let them decide for themselves.
It will take time, but we need to find other ways to reverse our culture of binge drinking, and publishing the numbers of arrests will do sweet F*** all.
Rab Jones wrote:
About 4 years ago my wifes friend (who's also a nurse) was punched in the stomach and spat on by a 17 year old drunk, who she was trying to help after he had his nose broke on Friday night. She spat back at him in retaliiation, and she was charged by the police for assaulting a minor. I kid you not.
(better late than never.....)
Rab, this is the exact kind of hypocrisy, and rediculous scenarios we see day in day out.
The Police seem to be under the delusion that their crime statistics, numbers of arrests etc all paint the picture that our criminal fraternity are under control, and everything is rosy....
Well let me just say, it sure aint.
With this kind of figure, surely this is proof that is wont matter whether the police lift 3,000 drunks or 30,000.....
The end product is the same, we still have people continually being processed, repeatedly charged for similar offences, and drunk - or drunk and disorderly every weekend.
So, lets not boast about figures here.
The whole way in which drunks are arrested, charged, and wait to appear in court is a huge waste of police, courts resources and time.
Surely we must find a way to solve this problem and treat the root of the problem, not just the end result.
As long as we have such a huge pub culture, with so many pubsl offies, supermarkets, and corner shops all selling alcohol, we will have a major problem of excesive availability.
Lets have a balance and look at more continental style 24 hour cafe's and places people can go for food, and non - alcoholic drinks.
Glasgow did once have the "Insomnia Cafe" years ago on Woodlands Road, sadly it shut down.
Until we get back to such cafes etc, people will opt for pubs everytime. Give folk the choice, and let them decide for themselves.
It will take time, but we need to find other ways to reverse our culture of binge drinking, and publishing the numbers of arrests will do sweet F*** all.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 12:21am Thu 19 Jun 08
India is full of poverty but not drunks as the poor people are too busy doing any kind of job to survive,here people say things like:I wouldn't do that job as I would be worse off than I am on the Social,the welfare state was supposed to be a stop gap between jobs,but there are lots of people who haven't worked in years,and who then spend a large part of their handout on drink,because of this if I want a drink I should pay more for it,I don't think so, we are among the dearest in Europe already for beer and spirits.
India is full of poverty but not drunks as the poor people are too busy doing any kind of job to survive,here people say things like:I wouldn't do that job as I would be worse off than I am on the Social,the welfare state was supposed to be a stop gap between jobs,but there are lots of people who haven't worked in years,and who then spend a large part of their handout on drink,because of this if I want a drink I should pay more for it,I don't think so, we are among the dearest in Europe already for beer and spirits.
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