Posted by: hightower, glasgow on 11:12am Thu 19 Jun 08
How can there be enough nurses when there are all those managers and executives to pay? its not that theres not enough nurses, theres not enough doctors either. maybe they should send the managers to med school - that would help.
How can there be enough nurses when there are all those managers and executives to pay? its not that theres not enough nurses, theres not enough doctors either. maybe they should send the managers to med school - that would help.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:25am Thu 19 Jun 08
The Problem? KSF. You get a KSF facilitator on £36k a year to draw up what was known in the olden days as a "job description". It takes months now to employ new staff because of Disclosure Scotland. It can take up to 6 months from interview to fill some posts.
But then, some NHS managers couldn't find their own backside with both hands.
The Problem? KSF. You get a KSF facilitator on £36k a year to draw up what was known in the olden days as a "job description". It takes months now to employ new staff because of Disclosure Scotland. It can take up to 6 months from interview to fill some posts.
But then, some NHS managers couldn't find their own backside with both hands.
Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 11:27am Thu 19 Jun 08
Hightower is right - too much money being spent on bureaucrats instead of nurses, doctors, surgeons and cleaners. But an even bigger drain on the NHS is the obligation to care for drug addicts, career alcoholics and other people who refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own health. A friend who is a nurse at a Glasgow hospital says removing these groups would cut patient numbers by at least 50% and ensure proper care for the genuinely ill. Instead, she and her colleagues are treated like slaves by abusive drunks and junkies (both patients and relatives) and enormously obese people who in some cases not only won't lift a finger to clean themselves but don't see why they should leave the bed to go to the bathroom.
The NHS is meant to provide medical care for the truly sick - not act as a battery farm for these wasters. If we insist on coddling these people instead of pushing them into getting clean and fit, we should turn their wards into a zoo and charge tourists admission in a bid to offset the costs.
Hightower is right - too much money being spent on bureaucrats instead of nurses, doctors, surgeons and cleaners. But an even bigger drain on the NHS is the obligation to care for drug addicts, career alcoholics and other people who refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own health. A friend who is a nurse at a Glasgow hospital says removing these groups would cut patient numbers by at least 50% and ensure proper care for the genuinely ill. Instead, she and her colleagues are treated like slaves by abusive drunks and junkies (both patients and relatives) and enormously obese people who in some cases not only won't lift a finger to clean themselves but don't see why they should leave the bed to go to the bathroom.
The NHS is meant to provide medical care for the truly sick - not act as a battery farm for these wasters. If we insist on coddling these people instead of pushing them into getting clean and fit, we should turn their wards into a zoo and charge tourists admission in a bid to offset the costs.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:37am Thu 19 Jun 08
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote:
Hightower is right - too much money being spent on bureaucrats instead of nurses, doctors, surgeons and cleaners. But an even bigger drain on the NHS is the obligation to care for drug addicts, career alcoholics and other people who refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own health. A friend who is a nurse at a Glasgow hospital says removing these groups would cut patient numbers by at least 50% and ensure proper care for the genuinely ill. Instead, she and her colleagues are treated like slaves by abusive drunks and junkies (both patients and relatives) and enormously obese people who in some cases not only won't lift a finger to clean themselves but don't see why they should leave the bed to go to the bathroom. The NHS is meant to provide medical care for the truly sick - not act as a battery farm for these wasters. If we insist on coddling these people instead of pushing them into getting clean and fit, we should turn their wards into a zoo and charge tourists admission in a bid to offset the costs.[/quote] Right on the mark!
FMJ wrote:
Hightower is right - too much money being spent on bureaucrats instead of nurses, doctors, surgeons and cleaners. But an even bigger drain on the NHS is the obligation to care for drug addicts, career alcoholics and other people who refuse point blank to take any responsibility for their own health. A friend who is a nurse at a Glasgow hospital says removing these groups would cut patient numbers by at least 50% and ensure proper care for the genuinely ill. Instead, she and her colleagues are treated like slaves by abusive drunks and junkies (both patients and relatives) and enormously obese people who in some cases not only won't lift a finger to clean themselves but don't see why they should leave the bed to go to the bathroom. The NHS is meant to provide medical care for the truly sick - not act as a battery farm for these wasters. If we insist on coddling these people instead of pushing them into getting clean and fit, we should turn their wards into a zoo and charge tourists admission in a bid to offset the costs.
Right on the mark!
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:54am Thu 19 Jun 08
Again we see Greater Glasgow Health board failing the people of Glasgow. Another failure in a long line of failures. There needs to be a clear out of the board and the executive at the health board. Its just another example of industrial psychopathy.
Again we see Greater Glasgow Health board failing the people of Glasgow. Another failure in a long line of failures. There needs to be a clear out of the board and the executive at the health board. Its just another example of industrial psychopathy.
Posted by: the man, moral high ground on 1:00pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Put every second patient into the Vale of Leevn Hospital and let them catch c-diff . Onnce they die and off the books and politicians say this wont happen again the problem is solved as patient numbers nose dive . Seriously we have fine staff mostly in our N. H.S. but the service is second rate and not fit for a modern country such as Scotland .
Look abroad at so called less well developed countries and learn . We should all be ashamed of ourselves allowing the various governments to rundown our N.H.S .. Improvements have been made recently but a long road lies ahead .
We must all make this service a priority and complain properly when things go wrong . The alternative is more two tier health care .
Put every second patient into the Vale of Leevn Hospital and let them catch c-diff . Onnce they die and off the books and politicians say this wont happen again the problem is solved as patient numbers nose dive . Seriously we have fine staff mostly in our N. H.S. but the service is second rate and not fit for a modern country such as Scotland .
Look abroad at so called less well developed countries and learn . We should all be ashamed of ourselves allowing the various governments to rundown our N.H.S .. Improvements have been made recently but a long road lies ahead .
We must all make this service a priority and complain properly when things go wrong . The alternative is more two tier health care .
Posted by: mas1478, Arden on 1:21pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Yes yes yes lets blame the junkies and the alchoholics..you have no idea what you are talking about...blame things like staff sickness..rota back up...staff moral...poor leadership...bullyin
g...poor development etc etc etc ...
Yes yes yes lets blame the junkies and the alchoholics..you have no idea what you are talking about...blame things like staff sickness..rota back up...staff moral...poor leadership...bullyin
g...poor development etc etc etc ...
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:02pm Thu 19 Jun 08
I have a simple solution to this problem.
I have a simple solution to this problem.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 9:05pm Thu 19 Jun 08
no I don't really. But clearly everyone else does.
Bring back matrons?
no I don't really. But clearly everyone else does.
Bring back matrons?
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:22am Fri 20 Jun 08
i totally agree moral high... we could put the prisoners in the hospitals where the disease is rampant, and put the patients somewhere cleaner...maybe the cleaners in the prisons could do the sanitizing in the hospitals as lets face it ....hardly any one in prison seems to be ill with the c-diff, ....not unless i missed the news that week, jeez surely a 6 year old could figure that lot out.
i totally agree moral high... we could put the prisoners in the hospitals where the disease is rampant, and put the patients somewhere cleaner...maybe the cleaners in the prisons could do the sanitizing in the hospitals as lets face it ....hardly any one in prison seems to be ill with the c-diff, ....not unless i missed the news that week, jeez surely a 6 year old could figure that lot out.
Posted by: jane, glasgow on 9:39am Sat 21 Jun 08
[italic]Matt McLaughlin, the union's regional organiser, said: "Staff should not be put under this kind of stress as they work to provide care.
"It is clear we do not have enough nurses and midwives on the wards. We need 500 more staff to provide the level of care people are entitled to."[/italic]
Perhaps Unison could quantify this statement...when Agenda for Change was under discussion for implementation, the RCN balloted their members to find out if people wanted to go with the new re-structuring process. Unison didn't...Part of Agenda for Change was to re-structure the number of nurses, the grades they were being paid at and the level of experience they needed. As Nurses leave their jobs, the existing posts are being lost under natural wasteage or are the more senior posts are being replaced by more junior staff.
[italic]Staff in the Princess Royal maternity hospital at Glasgow Royal Infirmary say babies are routinely being looked after by nurses who are trained to care for adults.
There are fears nurses looking after elderly people do not have the manpower to care safely for patients with complex problems[/italic]
Perhaps Mr McLoughlin could quantify what qualifications the Band 5 nurses need to have nowadays - under Agenda for Change all junior posts were written down so that all you needed to fill the post was to be a trained nurse - you don't need any qualifications or expertise in that particular area - this is why staff are no longer experienced to look after people with "complex conditions".
If Unison want to complain about this and approach the media with their words of wisdom, perhaps they could take some responsibility for the breakdown of the NHS under Agenda for Change...
Matt McLaughlin, the union's regional organiser, said: "Staff should not be put under this kind of stress as they work to provide care.
"It is clear we do not have enough nurses and midwives on the wards. We need 500 more staff to provide the level of care people are entitled to."
Perhaps Unison could quantify this statement...when Agenda for Change was under discussion for implementation, the RCN balloted their members to find out if people wanted to go with the new re-structuring process. Unison didn't...Part of Agenda for Change was to re-structure the number of nurses, the grades they were being paid at and the level of experience they needed. As Nurses leave their jobs, the existing posts are being lost under natural wasteage or are the more senior posts are being replaced by more junior staff.
Staff in the Princess Royal maternity hospital at Glasgow Royal Infirmary say babies are routinely being looked after by nurses who are trained to care for adults.
There are fears nurses looking after elderly people do not have the manpower to care safely for patients with complex problems
Perhaps Mr McLoughlin could quantify what qualifications the Band 5 nurses need to have nowadays - under Agenda for Change all junior posts were written down so that all you needed to fill the post was to be a trained nurse - you don't need any qualifications or expertise in that particular area - this is why staff are no longer experienced to look after people with "complex conditions".
If Unison want to complain about this and approach the media with their words of wisdom, perhaps they could take some responsibility for the breakdown of the NHS under Agenda for Change...
Posted by: Michael Woods, Drumchapel on 4:15pm Sun 22 Jun 08
It is not a shortage of workers, it is too many bloody asylum seekers and immigrants who are ‘patients’ in our hospitals. They pretend that they are sick to prevent them being deported. Kick them out and free up the beds.
It is not a shortage of workers, it is too many bloody asylum seekers and immigrants who are ‘patients’ in our hospitals. They pretend that they are sick to prevent them being deported. Kick them out and free up the beds.
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 1:02am Tue 24 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Michael Woods[/bold] wrote:
It is not a shortage of workers, it is too many bloody asylum seekers and immigrants who are ‘patients’ in our hospitals. They pretend that they are sick to prevent them being deported. Kick them out and free up the beds.[/quote] In Canada we have similar situations as described by FMJ and Michael Woods.
Firstly, addressing FMJ comments: One of the first things doctors and nurses are taught is to be non-judgemental. Patients causing trouble are not confined to drug addicts, alcoholics or the obese. If doctors, nurses and other hospital employees were allowed to choose who will be treated then your's and our universal health systems may as well close up shop. If those who enter the medical professions do so with blinders on then they only have themselves to blame when it doesn't live up to their expectations.
As far as Michael Woods' comments: You are a bigot and a xenaphobic. No doubt you would like the UK again to colonize Africa, Southern Asia and the Middle East, divest them of their assets and turn the citizens into your servants. Well I have news for you. The worm has turned and the chicken is coming home to roost. You can make a choice. Get used to it or cut your throat and do the world a favour.
Michael Woods wrote:
It is not a shortage of workers, it is too many bloody asylum seekers and immigrants who are ‘patients’ in our hospitals. They pretend that they are sick to prevent them being deported. Kick them out and free up the beds.
In Canada we have similar situations as described by FMJ and Michael Woods.
Firstly, addressing FMJ comments: One of the first things doctors and nurses are taught is to be non-judgemental. Patients causing trouble are not confined to drug addicts, alcoholics or the obese. If doctors, nurses and other hospital employees were allowed to choose who will be treated then your's and our universal health systems may as well close up shop. If those who enter the medical professions do so with blinders on then they only have themselves to blame when it doesn't live up to their expectations.
As far as Michael Woods' comments: You are a bigot and a xenaphobic. No doubt you would like the UK again to colonize Africa, Southern Asia and the Middle East, divest them of their assets and turn the citizens into your servants. Well I have news for you. The worm has turned and the chicken is coming home to roost. You can make a choice. Get used to it or cut your throat and do the world a favour.
Posted by: BLOCKEM., Glasgow on 6:05pm Fri 27 Jun 08
I will soon enter into a civil partnership with a beautiful asylum seeker from Somalia, he and I will then emigrate to a fairer country and leave you bigots here.
I will soon enter into a civil partnership with a beautiful asylum seeker from Somalia, he and I will then emigrate to a fairer country and leave you bigots here.
Posted by: Michael Woods, Drumchapel on 6:01pm Sun 29 Jun 08
There you go blockup this post above is fairly obviously not from a xenophobic racist like yourself. Funny though.
There you go blockup this post above is fairly obviously not from a xenophobic racist like yourself. Funny though.
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