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Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:27am Tue 8 Jul 08 There's not a thing anybody can do about this ET, sure you make it sound as if you expect a moan and a groan when in reality, its nobody's fault that old mine workings from 200 years ago have collapsed. Similarly, 20 years ago, Victoria Road was in danger of collapse as a result of these old mine workings - as big pipes were sticking into the ground all the way from Queens Park to the Star Bar to fill the mines in with tomnnes of concrete - it was hardly syurprising that it caused disruption, again - it was nobody's fault. Posted by: Douglas, Glasgow on 11:58am Tue 8 Jul 08 Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:00pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Being rather philosphical today are we not ? Yes, this collapse may not be anybodies fault directly. But, indirectly when companies like First - Scotrail are aware of problems like these, surely it is better that they take as long as is needed to fix the problem properly the first time. Not, as usually happens, the problem is patched up in the quickest time possible, to avoid minimum disruption, but that does not mean the workmanship, or job is to the satisfaction it should be to prevent any further disruption down the line. Yes, profits suffer when the timescale set of work carried out runs overtime, but surely public health & safety should be put far highers than the risk of short a term drop in profit margins. Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 12:52pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Well now, whatever happened to surveying the routes taken by transport systems to avoid serious accidents to passengers? These old mine workings have been known about for over a hundred years, yet it takes a collapse now to cause disruption. Beggars belief that transport companies still get away with such shoddy preparation and readiness. Shrieks of the situation in England where even now surveyors allow buildings (and housing estates) to be built on flood plains. The mind boggles at our ineptitude. Public safety is now being treated as 'reactive' rather than (as it should be) 'proactive'. Over a century of inspections and nothing was done...ho-hum. Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 1:07pm Tue 8 Jul 08 All this shows is that Glasgow needs to get its MP's and MSP's to pull their finger out and create a cross party Glasgow transport committee to focus on prblems like this. and to stop them from happenning. Also they need to get the holyrood transport minister bullied into green lighting the metropolitan subway system for the whole of glasgow, and get the quango wasters at Transport Scotland to actually do some work on a costing for this. If not, disband and close Transport Scotland. Posted by: Pa Broon, high-horse on 1:18pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Ronnie Cee Nothing better to huff and tut at today? Yes, the majority of Scotland's railway was built over 100 years ago, some of it on top of mines that were there 150 years before that - does that mean Network Rail should travel round the country digging up track, checking for holes and causing untold disruption to thousands of people just in case? Get a grip. Seems to me that this is a proactive step to preserve public safety. A pain in the a***, yes, but at least there have been no accidents. Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 1:26pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Meep, the Strategic Transport Projects Review will report soon. I doubt it will favour a metropolitan subway system. Posted by: Stainless Steel Cat, Glasgow on 1:57pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Hmmm, nothing about this on the Scotrail website. Does this inspire confidence in First Group's ability to sort this out quickly? (Nothing on the SPT site either.) Posted by: mwrm on 2:35pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Scotrail have something now. http://www.firstgrou p.com/scotrail/conte nt/home/VIEWnews.php ?id=00000000245 And it's Pollokshields East that's closed, NOT Pollokshaws East as the article says. Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 2:46pm Tue 8 Jul 08 For Pa Broon's education. Surveyors don't need to dig up anything, nor do the British Rail examination and repair squads. They simply do the job they are paid to do and ensure that old mineworkings and any other possible (and probable) landslips are monitored and the appropriate 'proaction' taken. Imagine the thousands of Glasgow tenements that are built over old mine workings being a danger to the public? Well, no need to worry Pa, the proper surveying was done at the appropriate time...not over a century later!! Not a moan really, more an objective observation. Posted by: Stainless Steel Cat, Glasgow on 3:02pm Tue 8 Jul 08 mwrm, Thanks for that, it makes a lot more sense that way; it looks like they're closing the east side of the circle rather than as the article above said, a big chunk in the middle. Posted by: GJS, Glasgow on 3:43pm Tue 8 Jul 08 mwrm wrote:Yeah, but the ET don't concern themselves with the truth too much, as you can see from the headline to this article. "Rail passengers face travel chaos"? No they don't. They face taking buses instead of trains for a month. Stop printing this alarmist nonsense. Posted by: Stainless Steel Cat, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 8 Jul 08 GJS "Rail Passengers Face Travel Awkwardness!" "Southsiders In Seven-Minutes-Late-F or-Work Shock!" "Month of Mild Movement Machinations!" Posted by: tobester, summerston, glasgow on 4:30pm Tue 8 Jul 08 This looks like the typical PATHETIC reporting from this excuse of a paper, first of all get a station wrong, then try to blame First, then put in an 'oh and by the way...their customer satisfaction is up' Id like an idiot reporter to explain HOW/Why this is firsts fault? For those who want to read the real media report on the collapes its in this link http://www.networkra ilmediacentre.co.uk/ content/Detail.asp?R eleaseID=3794&NewsAr eaID=2 this will take you to the NR media page. Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:44pm Tue 8 Jul 08 mwrm wrote: LOL ;-) Never fails to amuse when the readers end up having to correct the E.T. Journalists with their research & stories, when the facts are innacurate! Don't we all just love our politicians & media alike - where would we be without them ? A he** of alot better off I suspect. Just a bunch of pen pushers, busybodies, and scaremongerers out to make a fast buck. Posted by: cucumber, Glasgow on 6:29pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Agreed, it's not the fault of First.....but it is traffic awkwardness for many, if hundreds of rail passengers need to use local bus services, which are already busy enough. Me, I'm seriously considering taking the car. Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:42pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Posted by: ros07, Glasgow on 6:43pm Tue 8 Jul 08 What is interesting is that there is no mention of this whatsoever on the First Scotrail website and noboday has mentioned about the workings going on right beside Cathcart station. I pass this every morning. Is it just me or it is purely coincidental that the workings there may have something to do with it? Posted by: sydneys resident stalker, home on 7:00pm Tue 8 Jul 08 here let's have some hysteria and point scoring argumentative posting. I blame the parents they should know better. fae a real Glasgow Bampot. Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 7:18pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Hopefully they'll use this downtime of the line constructively and finish off the new staircase and lift at Mount Florida station that started 5 months ago.... Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 9:18pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Some unavoidable and totally necessary disruption on (quite literaly) safety grounds due to old mine workings underground -but "CHAOS"? NO! ALL rail tickets/passes/seaso n etc (Zonecards are always valid) are to be accepted on ALL adjacent bus routes! Hardly "Chaos"! Anything for an 'eye-catching' headline!! Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:19pm Tue 8 Jul 08 Come on bluey, that would be far too sensible. we're talking big business here, seems that the bigger the company, or utility the less in touch it is with the public which it is supposed to serve. The bigger the company the more likely it is to do as it pleases, and make a botch up of most of the work it carries out. and finally, the bigger the company in this case First-Scotrail the more likely it is to say one thing and do another, or like with the example of bus timetables, by the time they are all updated, and replaced on bus shelters a new timetable has been drawn up, and the information is innaccurate, and has been outdated...... The joys of Public transport. Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 2:56pm Wed 9 Jul 08 Posted by: Jordo82, Merchant City on 3:27pm Wed 9 Jul 08 It always amazes me when people choose to comment on things they have little understanding of. First ScotRail have nothing to do with the condition monitoring of railway infrastructure. That is the job of Network Rail. ScotRail simply run trains on that infrastructure! Therefore they are being unfairly criticised. And to the Ronnie Cee: That wasnt much of an education. British Rail no longer exist for a start. And how do you suggest underground mining works could be investigated without the need for excavations? Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 8:29pm Wed 9 Jul 08 It always amazes me..... that despite peoples comments on articles, all too often it's based on the original reporters piece - story. Perhaps this is more down to the innaccuracies of the story in question, as much as the ignorance? of posters, I mean come on - whether it's First Scotrail, Network Rail, or the defunct British Rail, as someone mentioned - all companies are as bad as each other in their own ways. All too interested in boosting their profit margins, and aiding their shareholders, and less interested in the general improvements, completion of work in time, and genuine interest in keeping fares down, and quality up. Lets not get too defensive of these companies, their fat, wealthy, and innefficient ( in some cases) enough to defend themselves. 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