Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:31am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]City council leader Steven Purcell said: "This significant reduction shows the tremendous progress we are making in getting people into work."[/quote]
Afraid not Steven 'it was the Tories who done it' Purcell... it doesn't mean that at all... it actually means Glasgow Works has [bold]duped[/bold] "almost 4000" into believing that there is a decent existence for them outside the welfare bubble which the Labour Party created for them.
As soon the people realise they've been had by GW mouthpieces on bonuses to give promises which are never delivered, then [bold]the claimants return to their former claims[/bold], embittered and even more determined never to leave the Labour-created comfort zone of life on handouts.
[italic]Remember Glasgow Works was the incompetent outfit who hired television comic Raymond Mearns to "laugh" people back into work![/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
City council leader Steven Purcell said: "This significant reduction shows the tremendous progress we are making in getting people into work."
Afraid not Steven 'it was the Tories who done it' Purcell... it doesn't mean that at all... it actually means Glasgow Works has
duped "almost 4000" into believing that there is a decent existence for them outside the welfare bubble which the Labour Party created for them.
As soon the people realise they've been had by GW mouthpieces on bonuses to give promises which are never delivered, then
the claimants return to their former claims, embittered and even more determined never to leave the Labour-created comfort zone of life on handouts.
Remember Glasgow Works was the incompetent outfit who hired television comic Raymond Mearns to "laugh" people back into work!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:45am Wed 9 Jul 08
Oh Sydney, such a counsel of despair...
Perhaps you have the evidence to show that all the participants "return to their former claims" (though undoubtedly some do). And perhaps you can tell us what you'd be doing instead?
Oh Sydney, such a counsel of despair...
Perhaps you have the evidence to show that all the participants "return to their former claims" (though undoubtedly some do). And perhaps you can tell us what you'd be doing instead?
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:05pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Incidentally, the latest Annual Population Survey shows Glasgow's employment rate at a record high (67% of working age residents). Still not good enough but going in the right direction.
The gap between the city and Scottish average is also narrower than it has been since records on the current survey began (1993, despite a record high Scottish employment rate).
Incidentally, the latest Annual Population Survey shows Glasgow's employment rate at a record high (67% of working age residents). Still not good enough but going in the right direction.
The gap between the city and Scottish average is also narrower than it has been since records on the current survey began (1993, despite a record high Scottish employment rate).
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 12:10pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:37pm Wed 9 Jul 08
I don't think unemployment has risen [italic]in Scotland[/italic] , Meep. It's low and fairly stable at the moment. It's likely that it will rise in the near future though - the general economic slowdown will see to that.
Giving money to people to start a business isn't often that great an idea. If these folk can't even get a normal job, I'm not sure how many will be able to run a successful business on their own (even if they wanted to). Also, most new businesses are competing with other local firms: how would you feel as an established shopkeeper/plumber/h
airdresser/etc. if some Government agency was throwing money at the guy down the road subsidising his business at the expense of yours?
I don't think unemployment has risen
in Scotland , Meep. It's low and fairly stable at the moment. It's likely that it will rise in the near future though - the general economic slowdown will see to that.
Giving money to people to start a business isn't often that great an idea. If these folk can't even get a normal job, I'm not sure how many will be able to run a successful business on their own (even if they wanted to). Also, most new businesses are competing with other local firms: how would you feel as an established shopkeeper/plumber/h
airdresser/etc. if some Government agency was throwing money at the guy down the road subsidising his business at the expense of yours?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:38pm Wed 9 Jul 08
It's good to see that 50 years of Labour failure in Glasgow is now getting a worldwide audience:
From [italic]The Economist[/italic] (US edition) July 5th 2008:
[quote]Glasgow East, a sprawling mess of rundown inner- and outer-city suburbs straddling the M8 and M74 motorways, is classic Labour territory, but [bold]dereliction and poverty[/bold] also make it ripe for plucking by a rival party. Expanses of smart new housing speak of years of expensive regeneration, but boarded-up apartment blocks show there is much more to do. Only 4.5% of the workforce claim unemployment benefit, but around a fifth of working-age adults are officially incapacitated, so the [bold]effective unemployment rate is above 25%[/bold].[/quote]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
It's good to see that 50 years of Labour failure in Glasgow is now getting a worldwide audience:
From
The Economist (US edition) July 5th 2008:
Glasgow East, a sprawling mess of rundown inner- and outer-city suburbs straddling the M8 and M74 motorways, is classic Labour territory, but dereliction and poverty also make it ripe for plucking by a rival party. Expanses of smart new housing speak of years of expensive regeneration, but boarded-up apartment blocks show there is much more to do. Only 4.5% of the workforce claim unemployment benefit, but around a fifth of working-age adults are officially incapacitated, so the effective unemployment rate is above 25%.
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 12:55pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Yet more rubbish from the mouthpiece of GCC.
Yet more rubbish from the mouthpiece of GCC.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 1:14pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]emma[/bold] wrote:
Yet more rubbish from the mouthpiece of GCC. [/quote] [bold]Seconded![/bold]
BTW, on this subject I noted last night's print ET turned the Clean Glasgow readers' poll around and attributed the 69% overwhelming majority in the question "[italic]Has the Clean Glasgow campaign made a real difference?[/italic]" to the YES option, rather than the NO, as is shown on the web page here:
[bold]tinyurl.com/5z72bn[/bold]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
emma wrote:
Yet more rubbish from the mouthpiece of GCC.
Seconded!
BTW, on this subject I noted last night's print ET turned the Clean Glasgow readers' poll around and attributed the 69% overwhelming majority in the question "
Has the Clean Glasgow campaign made a real difference?" to the YES option, rather than the NO, as is shown on the web page here:
tinyurl.com/5z72bn
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 1:37pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.[/quote] As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
[quote]ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.[/quote]
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp
Meep wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 2:33pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Unemployment is even lower in N Ireland, but like scotsland it has a massive public sector when compaired to England
2007 Q4 public sector employment (headcount, rolling four quarter
average) by country of workplace:
4,670,000 England
578,000 Scotland
314,000 Wales
220,000 N Ireland
*
2007 Q4 public sector employment rate by country of workplace:
28.7% N Ireland
23.6% Wales
22.5% Scotland
19.0% England
tinyurl.com/6bgnse
Unemployment is even lower in N Ireland, but like scotsland it has a massive public sector when compaired to England
2007 Q4 public sector employment (headcount, rolling four quarter
average) by country of workplace:
4,670,000 England
578,000 Scotland
314,000 Wales
220,000 N Ireland
*
2007 Q4 public sector employment rate by country of workplace:
28.7% N Ireland
23.6% Wales
22.5% Scotland
19.0% England
tinyurl.com/6bgnse
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:06pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Yes, that's one reason why unemployment is lower here (and employment is higher). Perhaps better employ some extra nurses than leave them on the dole?
I'm not sure that the difference between 22.5% (and declining) and 19% is "massive"...
Yes, that's one reason why unemployment is lower here (and employment is higher). Perhaps better employ some extra nurses than leave them on the dole?
I'm not sure that the difference between 22.5% (and declining) and 19% is "massive"...
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 3:19pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.[/quote] As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
[quote]ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.[/quote]
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp[/quote] [bold]Doh!!![/bold]
Of course overall Scotland is doing fine, it's just that, as according to the Sunday Times last year:
[quote][bold]Glasgow isn't working, new figures reveal[/bold]
[italic]February 4th 2007[/italic]
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, show that in the Glasgow Central parliamentary constituency [bold]almost half the population is "economically inactive"[/bold].
The findings [bold]make a mockery of the official unemployment statistics[/bold], which suggest just 8% of Glaswegians are out of work....
Glasgow also has the [bold]five[/bold] least economically active constituencies in Scotland.
Some [bold]37% of people in Glasgow East are not seeking work or not available to work[/bold], and just under a third in Glasgow North, Glasgow North East and Glasgow South West.[/quote]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Big Al wrote:
Meep wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp
Doh!!!
Of course overall Scotland is doing fine, it's just that, as according to the Sunday Times last year:
Glasgow isn't working, new figures reveal
February 4th 2007
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, show that in the Glasgow Central parliamentary constituency almost half the population is "economically inactive".
The findings make a mockery of the official unemployment statistics, which suggest just 8% of Glaswegians are out of work....
Glasgow also has the five least economically active constituencies in Scotland.
Some 37% of people in Glasgow East are not seeking work or not available to work, and just under a third in Glasgow North, Glasgow North East and Glasgow South West.
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:20pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]City council leader Steven Purcell said: "This significant reduction shows the tremendous progress we are making in getting people into work."[/quote] Afraid not Steven 'it was the Tories who done it' Purcell... it doesn't mean that at all... it actually means Glasgow Works has [bold]duped[/bold] "almost 4000" into believing that there is a decent existence for them outside the welfare bubble which the Labour Party created for them. As soon the people realise they've been had by GW mouthpieces on bonuses to give promises which are never delivered, then [bold]the claimants return to their former claims[/bold], embittered and even more determined never to leave the Labour-created comfort zone of life on handouts. [italic]Remember Glasgow Works was the incompetent outfit who hired television comic Raymond Mearns to "laugh" people back into work![/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Yet more rubbish from the UNofficial mouthpiece of the SNP.
The Real Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents."
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
City council leader Steven Purcell said: "This significant reduction shows the tremendous progress we are making in getting people into work."
Afraid not Steven 'it was the Tories who done it' Purcell... it doesn't mean that at all... it actually means Glasgow Works has duped "almost 4000" into believing that there is a decent existence for them outside the welfare bubble which the Labour Party created for them. As soon the people realise they've been had by GW mouthpieces on bonuses to give promises which are never delivered, then the claimants return to their former claims, embittered and even more determined never to leave the Labour-created comfort zone of life on handouts. Remember Glasgow Works was the incompetent outfit who hired television comic Raymond Mearns to "laugh" people back into work! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Yet more rubbish from the UNofficial mouthpiece of the SNP.
The Real Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents."
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 3:23pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
Yes, that's one reason why unemployment is lower here (and employment is higher). Perhaps better employ some extra nurses than leave them on the dole? I'm not sure that the difference between 22.5% (and declining) and 19% is "massive"...[/quote] Well you say not massive!
5 million population scotland
51 million population england
lets just say scotland is 10% of england!
for parity on public sector size of 578,000 in scotland , england would need to increase it's public sector size by 1,110,000 (1 million 110 thousand)
I call that massive!
or scotland would need to lose 108,000 public sector workers to be on parity with england.
108,000 is not far of scotlands so called unemployment rate at 4.?, with out the massive size of scotlands public sector , a rate close to 10% unemployment is a true reflection.
Brad wrote:
Yes, that's one reason why unemployment is lower here (and employment is higher). Perhaps better employ some extra nurses than leave them on the dole? I'm not sure that the difference between 22.5% (and declining) and 19% is "massive"...
Well you say not massive!
5 million population scotland
51 million population england
lets just say scotland is 10% of england!
for parity on public sector size of 578,000 in scotland , england would need to increase it's public sector size by 1,110,000 (1 million 110 thousand)
I call that massive!
or scotland would need to lose 108,000 public sector workers to be on parity with england.
108,000 is not far of scotlands so called unemployment rate at 4.?, with out the massive size of scotlands public sector , a rate close to 10% unemployment is a true reflection.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 3:35pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.[/quote] As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
[quote]ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.[/quote]
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp[/quote] [bold]Doh!!![/bold]
Of course overall Scotland is doing fine, it's just that, as according to the Sunday Times last year:
[quote][bold]Glasgow isn't working, new figures reveal[/bold]
[italic]February 4th 2007[/italic]
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, show that in the Glasgow Central parliamentary constituency [bold]almost half the population is "economically inactive"[/bold].
The findings [bold]make a mockery of the official unemployment statistics[/bold], which suggest just 8% of Glaswegians are out of work....
Glasgow also has the [bold]five[/bold] least economically active constituencies in Scotland.
Some [bold]37% of people in Glasgow East are not seeking work or not available to work[/bold], and just under a third in Glasgow North, Glasgow North East and Glasgow South West.[/quote]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Big Al wrote:
Meep wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
As Brad says, the Scottish jobs market is relatively stable and has been outperforming the UK in recent months.
Here is extract from Scotland Office release on Office of National Statistics figures (11/06/08):
ILO unemployment fell by 17,000 over the quarter, to a new record low of 116,000. This was a fall of 20,000 on the same point a year ago. The Scottish unemployment rate also fell by 0.6 p.p. over the quarter to a new record low of 4.4 per cent, which is below the UK average unemployment rate of 5.3 per cent.
Total employment in Scotland rose by 7,000 over the previous quarter to stand at 2,547,000. The Scottish employment rate is down by 0.1 percentage points (p.p.) on the previous quarter to 76.7 per cent, however continues to be above that of the UK and almost all countries within the EU.
http://tinyurl.com/5
pb6qp
Doh!!!
Of course overall Scotland is doing fine, it's just that, as according to the Sunday Times last year:
Glasgow isn't working, new figures reveal
February 4th 2007
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, show that in the Glasgow Central parliamentary constituency almost half the population is "economically inactive".
The findings make a mockery of the official unemployment statistics, which suggest just 8% of Glaswegians are out of work....
Glasgow also has the five least economically active constituencies in Scotland.
Some 37% of people in Glasgow East are not seeking work or not available to work, and just under a third in Glasgow North, Glasgow North East and Glasgow South West.
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:37pm Wed 9 Jul 08
That's incorrect arithmetic (starting with the assumption that Scotland is 10% of England. It isn't).
The English average is also kept down by London and the Greater SE. Many English regions are similar to Scotland (this is true for many if not most economic stats). Not a very good headline but it's true.
Sydney, you are making a good case for the existence of projects like GW...
That's incorrect arithmetic (starting with the assumption that Scotland is 10% of England. It isn't).
The English average is also kept down by London and the Greater SE. Many English regions are similar to Scotland (this is true for many if not most economic stats). Not a very good headline but it's true.
Sydney, you are making a good case for the existence of projects like GW...
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:45pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Because Sydney loves to see Glasgow fail, BigAl. He'd love the sky to fall in, just so he could blame [bold][italic]this decrepit new labour council[/italic][/bold] (and Steven Purcell in particular). It's easy to be critical of the Cooncil (and often justifiably) but then the people of Glasgow keep voting for them - presumably Sydney hates them too (or maybe just pities them because they're not as intelligent as he is…).
Because Sydney loves to see Glasgow fail, BigAl. He'd love the sky to fall in, just so he could blame
this decrepit new labour council (and Steven Purcell in particular). It's easy to be critical of the Cooncil (and often justifiably) but then the people of Glasgow keep voting for them - presumably Sydney hates them too (or maybe just pities them because they're not as intelligent as he is…).
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 3:50pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
That's incorrect arithmetic (starting with the assumption that Scotland is 10% of England. It isn't). The English average is also kept down by London and the Greater SE. Many English regions are similar to Scotland (this is true for many if not most economic stats). Not a very good headline but it's true. Sydney, you are making a good case for the existence of projects like GW... [/quote] 50,762,900 England Population
5,116,900 scotland population
tinyurl.com/6b29jj
5 million population Yorkshire and The Humber (Y+H)
5 million population scotland
486,000 public sector Yorkshire and the Humber
578,000 public sector scotland
Yorkshire and the Humber even manage to have more males in work than in the whole of scotland!
In fact male employment in England is higher than in scotland, scots males maybe just want to let the woman do the work.
Brad wrote:
That's incorrect arithmetic (starting with the assumption that Scotland is 10% of England. It isn't). The English average is also kept down by London and the Greater SE. Many English regions are similar to Scotland (this is true for many if not most economic stats). Not a very good headline but it's true. Sydney, you are making a good case for the existence of projects like GW...
50,762,900 England Population
5,116,900 scotland population
tinyurl.com/6b29jj
5 million population Yorkshire and The Humber (Y+H)
5 million population scotland
486,000 public sector Yorkshire and the Humber
578,000 public sector scotland
Yorkshire and the Humber even manage to have more males in work than in the whole of scotland!
In fact male employment in England is higher than in scotland, scots males maybe just want to let the woman do the work.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:07pm Wed 9 Jul 08
The annual population survey Oct 2006-Sep 2007 says this for working age males in employment
1,290,300 Scotland (79%)
1,289,300 Yorkshire and The Humber (77%)
12,902,500 England (79%).
So the male figures are about the same and will move a little between survey dates. Scotland is clearly ahead for women - not sure what your point was...
You're right than Scotland's popn is 10% England's - my mistake, sorry (I thought UK). But your 108,000 figure is still wrong.
You haven't said what the %public sector for each region of England is. or why 22.5% in the public sector is bad - a few more nurses and teachers doesn't seem like a big problem...
And this is totally off topic - except for you who always posts the same thing. Goodbye.
The annual population survey Oct 2006-Sep 2007 says this for working age males in employment
1,290,300 Scotland (79%)
1,289,300 Yorkshire and The Humber (77%)
12,902,500 England (79%).
So the male figures are about the same and will move a little between survey dates. Scotland is clearly ahead for women - not sure what your point was...
You're right than Scotland's popn is 10% England's - my mistake, sorry (I thought UK). But your 108,000 figure is still wrong.
You haven't said what the %public sector for each region of England is. or why 22.5% in the public sector is bad - a few more nurses and teachers doesn't seem like a big problem...
And this is totally off topic - except for you who always posts the same thing. Goodbye.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:20pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?[/quote]
Because it's [bold]a sham, both in concept and delivery[/bold]. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and [bold]nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed[/bold].
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?
Because it's
a sham, both in concept and delivery. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and
nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed.
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:25pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Easy to slag off others Syd, at least he's there, giving up some time - what are you offering?
What's the SNP's alternative to GW?
Easy to slag off others Syd, at least he's there, giving up some time - what are you offering?
What's the SNP's alternative to GW?
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:39pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?[/quote]
Because it's [bold]a sham, both in concept and delivery[/bold]. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and [bold]nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed[/bold].
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
[/quote] Isn't that want employment is within the private sector - employing people to help make the business a profit.
Unless you want to see more people employed within the public sector.
How else do you propose to get Glasgow's work-shy back to work?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?
Because it's a sham, both in concept and delivery. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed.
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Isn't that want employment is within the private sector - employing people to help make the business a profit.
Unless you want to see more people employed within the public sector.
How else do you propose to get Glasgow's work-shy back to work?
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 4:47pm Wed 9 Jul 08
The whole of scotland needs to get back to work, not just glasgow!
7.5 million population London
5 million population scotland
51,000 unemployed whites London
59,000 unemployed whites scotland
tinyurl.com/68grgp
The whole of scotland needs to get back to work, not just glasgow!
7.5 million population London
5 million population scotland
51,000 unemployed whites London
59,000 unemployed whites scotland
tinyurl.com/68grgp
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 5:02pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?[/quote]
Because it's [bold]a sham, both in concept and delivery[/bold]. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and [bold]nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed[/bold].
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
[/quote] Isn't that want employment is within the private sector - employing people to help make the business a profit.
Unless you want to see more people employed within the public sector.
How else do you propose to get Glasgow's work-shy back to work?[/quote] Don't act dumb Big Al, you're (only slightly) cleverer than that: businesses shouldn't be making a profit by trading specious promises for getting people off the dole for the short term... [italic]sustainable regeneration will never work that way[/italic]!
Right, 5pm and I'm off - the ET has made enough money off of Sydney for the day!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Big Al wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
So why are you mocking an initiative that is trying to get people back into work?
Because it's a sham, both in concept and delivery. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed.
If you've ever - like me - had to sit through speeches by Jim McColl, the chairman of GW, then you would see that it's just a big ego trip for him. His party piece is to bore everyone with how he used his brand new Ferrari to quell a disturbance at an unemployed resource centre in Royston... what a big man eh, taking his brand new top-of-the-range motor into a poor housing estate just to show off how rich he is... apparently all the young man had to do was stroke the bonnet and he was at once both soothed and enlightened!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Isn't that want employment is within the private sector - employing people to help make the business a profit.
Unless you want to see more people employed within the public sector.
How else do you propose to get Glasgow's work-shy back to work?
Don't act dumb Big Al, you're (only slightly) cleverer than that: businesses shouldn't be making a profit by trading specious promises for getting people off the dole for the short term...
sustainable regeneration will never work that way!
Right, 5pm and I'm off - the ET has made enough money off of Sydney for the day!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:03pm Wed 9 Jul 08
That's because a large percentage of LDN's population is NON-white (35% - about 10x more than Scotland)...
The unemployment rate for working age whites in Scotland and LDN is about the same (5%). Big deal.
The working-age employment rate in Scotland is 76%. London's is 70%. More of us are in work.
You seem to be racist, a sexist and a xenophobe, not to mention dishonest in your use of statistics: I hope you're not a Scot.
That's because a large percentage of LDN's population is NON-white (35% - about 10x more than Scotland)...
The unemployment rate for working age whites in Scotland and LDN is about the same (5%). Big deal.
The working-age employment rate in Scotland is 76%. London's is 70%. More of us are in work.
You seem to be racist, a sexist and a xenophobe, not to mention dishonest in your use of statistics: I hope you're not a Scot.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Sydney leaves having provided no answers or positive comments, as usual.
Sydney leaves having provided no answers or positive comments, as usual.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 5:28pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:03pm today
dishonest in your use of statistics:[/quote]
Just because you dont understand, it dosent mean the statistic is dishonest.
Which statistic didnt you understand , and I will explaine it to you very slowly ?
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:03pm today
dishonest in your use of statistics:
Just because you dont understand, it dosent mean the statistic is dishonest.
Which statistic didnt you understand , and I will explaine it to you very slowly ?
Posted by: Luggie, Glasgow on 5:38pm Wed 9 Jul 08
So this is where you all are! Ah've found you all noo. I've been leaving messages at the other post and not a bugger's been reading.
So this is where you all are! Ah've found you all noo. I've been leaving messages at the other post and not a bugger's been reading.
Posted by: Luggie, Glasgow on 5:40pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Isn't it a coincidence that while benefits have been cut that parents are sueing instead??
Isn't it a coincidence that while benefits have been cut that parents are sueing instead??
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:44pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]scotland only 8% of UK[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:03pm today dishonest in your use of statistics:[/quote] Just because you dont understand, it dosent mean the statistic is dishonest. Which statistic didnt you understand , and I will explaine it to you very slowly ? [/quote] Don't worry, I understand statistics fine.
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 5:03pm today dishonest in your use of statistics:
Just because you dont understand, it dosent mean the statistic is dishonest. Which statistic didnt you understand , and I will explaine it to you very slowly ?
Don't worry, I understand statistics fine.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 6:18pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Do Not trust anything GCC have to say because they are disengenuous manipulators. If you always assume that they are spinning and decieving then you will be on the right track.
Do Not trust anything GCC have to say because they are disengenuous manipulators. If you always assume that they are spinning and decieving then you will be on the right track.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 6:22pm Wed 9 Jul 08
GW isn't just the Council!
"The partners, Glasgow City Council, JobCentre Plus, NHS Scotland, Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, Careers Scotland, the Scottish Executive [sic] and Glasgow Chamber of Commerce". And the DWP.
GW isn't just the Council!
"The partners, Glasgow City Council, JobCentre Plus, NHS Scotland, Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, Careers Scotland, the Scottish Executive and Glasgow Chamber of Commerce". And the DWP.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 10:21pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.[/quote] I don't know if Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits, and I doubt if you know either. I think you've made this figure up and are asking the question to suggest it's an established fact.
Meep wrote:
Sorry but i dont beleive this article. Has the unemployment figures rise nationally, i cant see how glasgow works is cutting unemployment figures unless there is a fiddling of statisitcs. Secondly is it true that Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits? And if so would this money not have been better usedc to help the person start up their own business. Glasgow works is a fraud that eats away government money with little gain to people. A shocking propaganda piece from the ET today.
I don't know if Glasgow works gets about £50,000 each for every person they get off benefits, and I doubt if you know either. I think you've made this figure up and are asking the question to suggest it's an established fact.
Posted by: DearGreenPlace, Glasgow on 10:37am Thu 10 Jul 08
Speaking from inside the process, Glasgow Works money comes from a variety of sources, including European Social Fund, and some money which was used to help people in work under other guises. The contracts to deliver the service have just been awarded under a stringent tendering process, and it is NOT a private company which will be lining their pockets - but charities and not for profit companies who will be delivering in partnership. These organisations have been successful at helping jobless people for many years and are based within communities. The press release commented on here is based on the early pilot projects and isn't there an election just around the corner?
Speaking from inside the process, Glasgow Works money comes from a variety of sources, including European Social Fund, and some money which was used to help people in work under other guises. The contracts to deliver the service have just been awarded under a stringent tendering process, and it is NOT a private company which will be lining their pockets - but charities and not for profit companies who will be delivering in partnership. These organisations have been successful at helping jobless people for many years and are based within communities. The press release commented on here is based on the early pilot projects and isn't there an election just around the corner?
Posted by: M. Weasel, Glasgow on 1:31pm Thu 10 Jul 08
I wonder if Sydney has ever been on benefits himself - I personally found that I made a much better living with a job than with handouts. The benefits gave me a bare minimum, but when I was actually earning my wage I got more than what the Government was affording me - and was also a lot happier. Those benefits helped me carry on until I entered the workforce, but I;d hardly say they afforded me the great luxuries and comfort that S. has deluded himself into believing we get.
I wonder if Sydney has ever been on benefits himself - I personally found that I made a much better living with a job than with handouts. The benefits gave me a bare minimum, but when I was actually earning my wage I got more than what the Government was affording me - and was also a lot happier. Those benefits helped me carry on until I entered the workforce, but I;d hardly say they afforded me the great luxuries and comfort that S. has deluded himself into believing we get.
Posted by: gordon, glagow on 2:16pm Thu 10 Jul 08
[quote]quote[/quote] Because it's a sham, both in concept and delivery. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's [bold]greedy fixation[/bold] with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed.
Well its better than the greedy fication large amounts of people have with getting money for nothing. People may end up being worse of in work, but at least then they are forced to take some reponsibility for their own lives.
Its not just profit for private companine its profit for us all that pay for them to breed and watch sky tv all day.
quote
Because it's a sham, both in concept and delivery. Glasgow Works is all about New Labour's
greedy fixation with seeing the UK's unemployed as a potential source of profit for their chums in private companies, and nothing to do with genuinely helping the unemployed.
Well its better than the greedy fication large amounts of people have with getting money for nothing. People may end up being worse of in work, but at least then they are forced to take some reponsibility for their own lives.
Its not just profit for private companine its profit for us all that pay for them to breed and watch sky tv all day.
Posted by: Narzoo, Surrey on 10:38pm Thu 10 Jul 08
Yay! Hazey.
All I know is good people like Matthew here are now able to support themselves and give back to the community.
Yay! Hazey.
All I know is good people like Matthew here are now able to support themselves and give back to the community.
Posted by: mheaysman, glasgow on 7:01am Wed 16 Jul 08
thanks narzoo , and his comment there is the crux of it .. i spent an age on benefits becuase i was "To Disabled" in employers eyes to be of benefit to them , if it wasn't for glasgow works i'd still be climbing up the walls on benefits bored out my mind. they gave me a chance now im in a full time perm. job at the chamber .. oh btw thats my pictuer up there .. and if you dont believe my story so be it .. but dont pile bull**** all over something thats giving people like me hope again
thanks narzoo , and his comment there is the crux of it .. i spent an age on benefits becuase i was "To Disabled" in employers eyes to be of benefit to them , if it wasn't for glasgow works i'd still be climbing up the walls on benefits bored out my mind. they gave me a chance now im in a full time perm. job at the chamber .. oh btw thats my pictuer up there .. and if you dont believe my story so be it .. but dont pile bull**** all over something thats giving people like me hope again
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