Posted by: chic, paisley on 3:33pm Fri 11 Jul 08
About time.
The cattlecars running from ayrshire through Paisley are a disgrace. More seats required and it's time that travellers from Paisley got a seat for their money.
About time.
The cattlecars running from ayrshire through Paisley are a disgrace. More seats required and it's time that travellers from Paisley got a seat for their money.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 3:39pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Why waste money on new trains for Scotland?
Very shortly, they will be full of litter and urine stains. Initials carved into seats/tables. And, of course, pelted with rocks as they travel past council "schemes".
I'd have thought cattle trucks would have done us just fine.
Why waste money on new trains for Scotland?
Very shortly, they will be full of litter and urine stains. Initials carved into seats/tables. And, of course, pelted with rocks as they travel past council "schemes".
I'd have thought cattle trucks would have done us just fine.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:40pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Good to be rid of the noisy, vibrating Gla-Ed ones too. Hope they are properly tested before introduction though - not like the last Ayrshire electric trains they bought (which are actually fine now they work reliably).
Good to be rid of the noisy, vibrating Gla-Ed ones too. Hope they are properly tested before introduction though - not like the last Ayrshire electric trains they bought (which are actually fine now they work reliably).
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:42pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
Why waste money on new trains for Scotland? Very shortly, they will be full of litter and urine stains. Initials carved into seats/tables. And, of course, pelted with rocks as they travel past council "schemes". I'd have thought cattle trucks would have done us just fine.[/quote] Maybe that's what you do but most trains are OK most of the time.
GAW wrote:
Why waste money on new trains for Scotland? Very shortly, they will be full of litter and urine stains. Initials carved into seats/tables. And, of course, pelted with rocks as they travel past council "schemes". I'd have thought cattle trucks would have done us just fine.
Maybe that's what you do but most trains are OK most of the time.
Posted by: Dennis, Paisley on 4:41pm Fri 11 Jul 08
I agree with GAW - they WILL be wrecked by vandals in no time at all. I just hope that they are hi-tech enough to have CCTV fitted. I also hope that if/when the wee eejits get caught something is actually done to them rather than a caution. That way the people who deserve nice new trains actually get to enjoy them.
I agree with GAW - they WILL be wrecked by vandals in no time at all. I just hope that they are hi-tech enough to have CCTV fitted. I also hope that if/when the wee eejits get caught something is actually done to them rather than a caution. That way the people who deserve nice new trains actually get to enjoy them.
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 5:11pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Quote "...38 locomotives and 130 carriages" & "The fleet will be used on the Glasgow-Edinburgh service and Glasgow-Inverclyde and Ayrshire". Really? The Inverclyde and Ayrshire lines are both ELECTRIFIED and "the fleet" is more likely to be 3or4-car multiple units (electric or diesel) and NOT "locomotives and coaches"!
Quote "...38 locomotives and 130 carriages" & "The fleet will be used on the Glasgow-Edinburgh service and Glasgow-Inverclyde and Ayrshire". Really? The Inverclyde and Ayrshire lines are both ELECTRIFIED and "the fleet" is more likely to be 3or4-car multiple units (electric or diesel) and NOT "locomotives and coaches"!
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 5:22pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Stephen[/bold] wrote:
Quote "...38 locomotives and 130 carriages" & "The fleet will be used on the Glasgow-Edinburgh service and Glasgow-Inverclyde and Ayrshire". Really? The Inverclyde and Ayrshire lines are both ELECTRIFIED and "the fleet" is more likely to be 3or4-car multiple units (electric or diesel) and NOT "locomotives and coaches"![/quote] Yes, these ARE Electric Multiple Units for Glasgow Central-Ayrshire/Inv
erclyde and the re-opened (Helensburgh-Glasgow Queen St Low Level)AIRDRIE-BATHGA
TE-EDINBURGH electric services. Still diesels via Falkirk! (search "Transport Scotland New Trains")
Andrew Stephen wrote:
Quote "...38 locomotives and 130 carriages" & "The fleet will be used on the Glasgow-Edinburgh service and Glasgow-Inverclyde and Ayrshire". Really? The Inverclyde and Ayrshire lines are both ELECTRIFIED and "the fleet" is more likely to be 3or4-car multiple units (electric or diesel) and NOT "locomotives and coaches"!
Yes, these ARE Electric Multiple Units for Glasgow Central-Ayrshire/Inv
erclyde and the re-opened (Helensburgh-Glasgow Queen St Low Level)AIRDRIE-BATHGA
TE-EDINBURGH electric services. Still diesels via Falkirk! (search "Transport Scotland New Trains")
Posted by: Senga Haw, Newlands on 5:27pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Aye, another announcement timed just before polling day (same as the Govan shipyard announcement last week)...
They think wur heids zip well and truly up the back!!!
Interesting that today's Guardian mentions that Maggie Broon is putting the embryo vote on hold until after the by-election "so that Labour will not lose the Catholic vote in Glasgow East".
Aye, another announcement timed just before polling day (same as the Govan shipyard announcement last week)...
They think wur heids zip well and truly up the back!!!
Interesting that today's Guardian mentions that Maggie Broon is putting the embryo vote on hold until after the by-election "so that Labour will not lose the Catholic vote in Glasgow East".
Posted by: food lover, west coast on 5:31pm Fri 11 Jul 08
As you say, they are 130 electric multiple units built by Siemens and will probably be four car units. (Don't know where the locomotives come in to it!) However by the time they are delivered, the Glasgow/Falkirk/Edin
burgh line may also be electrified as the existing units from Ayrshire are due to go to the Airdrie to Bathgate line.
However that's no good for us stuck with 156 units between Girvan and Newcastle, unless we get the cast off Turbostars from central Scotland...
As you say, they are 130 electric multiple units built by Siemens and will probably be four car units. (Don't know where the locomotives come in to it!) However by the time they are delivered, the Glasgow/Falkirk/Edin
burgh line may also be electrified as the existing units from Ayrshire are due to go to the Airdrie to Bathgate line.
However that's no good for us stuck with 156 units between Girvan and Newcastle, unless we get the cast off Turbostars from central Scotland...
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 5:38pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!!
Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!!
Posted by: sydneys resident stalker, home on 5:42pm Fri 11 Jul 08
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will there be new joabs goin? ah whant to be a fat controller, fat controlling **** ma wife calls me
Posted by: sydneys resident stalker, home on 5:43pm Fri 11 Jul 08
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is there any room in glasgow for mer tommy tankers !!!!!!
Posted by: food lover, west coast on 5:54pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Extending the subway is a no hope solution.
It's too small, uses non standard equipment which no-one wants to build and is isolated from the rest of the railway system.
Developing more full size lines, combined with linking ground level tramways is the way to go.
Much of the low level system could use trams, which could transfer to street level out of the city centre - it's done all over Europe.
If only we had Strathclyde Regional Council to make it happen...
Extending the subway is a no hope solution.
It's too small, uses non standard equipment which no-one wants to build and is isolated from the rest of the railway system.
Developing more full size lines, combined with linking ground level tramways is the way to go.
Much of the low level system could use trams, which could transfer to street level out of the city centre - it's done all over Europe.
If only we had Strathclyde Regional Council to make it happen...
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:57pm Fri 11 Jul 08
You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.
You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.
Posted by: secondcity, Glasgow on 6:13pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dennis[/bold] wrote:
I agree with GAW - they WILL be wrecked by vandals in no time at all. I just hope that they are hi-tech enough to have CCTV fitted. I also hope that if/when the wee eejits get caught something is actually done to them rather than a caution. That way the people who deserve nice new trains actually get to enjoy them.[/quote] GAW and Dennis - please tell us where exactly this happens at the moment. I travel throughout the Glasgow area and across Scotland by rail on a regular basis due to my job, and always find the trains in good condition.
Sure, there's the occasional annoying loud neds and sometimes there's litter, but we're not talking full scale vandalism.
Dennis wrote:
I agree with GAW - they WILL be wrecked by vandals in no time at all. I just hope that they are hi-tech enough to have CCTV fitted. I also hope that if/when the wee eejits get caught something is actually done to them rather than a caution. That way the people who deserve nice new trains actually get to enjoy them.
GAW and Dennis - please tell us where exactly this happens at the moment. I travel throughout the Glasgow area and across Scotland by rail on a regular basis due to my job, and always find the trains in good condition.
Sure, there's the occasional annoying loud neds and sometimes there's litter, but we're not talking full scale vandalism.
Posted by: expat john, Canada on 7:03pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.[/quote] Jonny, I live in Calgary, Canada & we have an electric rail system that runs from the out lying areas to downtown. All of the buses from the suburbs run to the nearest station, where you can then get on a train to continue your travel. It costs $2.00 (about 1.00GBP) to travel for 90 minutes. You can even get on a bus, go for your shopping & go back home on the same ticket!!! It gets busy, it's not ideal, but it works. Maybe that's what should be getting introduced into Glasgow if they're serious about trying to get people to use public transport.
jonny bond wrote:
You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.
Jonny, I live in Calgary, Canada & we have an electric rail system that runs from the out lying areas to downtown. All of the buses from the suburbs run to the nearest station, where you can then get on a train to continue your travel. It costs $2.00 (about 1.00GBP) to travel for 90 minutes. You can even get on a bus, go for your shopping & go back home on the same ticket!!! It gets busy, it's not ideal, but it works. Maybe that's what should be getting introduced into Glasgow if they're serious about trying to get people to use public transport.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 7:23pm Fri 11 Jul 08
i have relatives who work on scotrail in various departments, and the upkeep of stations and trains is very important and they are very professional , as you know, any alcohol gets confiscated, thank you for the many drinks we have had brand new in bottles cos of punters who didnt realise :-) and another thing, I think trains are brilliant, and totally under-rated, causing no pollution, not much noise, and getting us there and back daily with no fuss and no hassle , unlike rgaing angry bus drivers on roads, fighting for space, and dangerous roads full of pollutants, i know my prefernce any day, a safe, cosy relaxing train any day, nice tranquil views, a toilet if need be, and adequate passenger footroom, and this is brill news! new trains , ive read a lot of ignoramus posts today, ive never been on a dirty smelly train, always spotless, well done on bringing extra 134 jobs to Glasgow.
i have relatives who work on scotrail in various departments, and the upkeep of stations and trains is very important and they are very professional , as you know, any alcohol gets confiscated, thank you for the many drinks we have had brand new in bottles cos of punters who didnt realise :-) and another thing, I think trains are brilliant, and totally under-rated, causing no pollution, not much noise, and getting us there and back daily with no fuss and no hassle , unlike rgaing angry bus drivers on roads, fighting for space, and dangerous roads full of pollutants, i know my prefernce any day, a safe, cosy relaxing train any day, nice tranquil views, a toilet if need be, and adequate passenger footroom, and this is brill news! new trains , ive read a lot of ignoramus posts today, ive never been on a dirty smelly train, always spotless, well done on bringing extra 134 jobs to Glasgow.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 7:24pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote]The fleet will be fully air-conditioned and carriages will also be fitted with CCTV, as well as power sockets for laptops.
They will be more spacious, with easy access for the disabled and provision for cycles and luggage.[/quote]
Fantastic news!
The fleet will be fully air-conditioned and carriages will also be fitted with CCTV, as well as power sockets for laptops.
They will be more spacious, with easy access for the disabled and provision for cycles and luggage.
Fantastic news!
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 7:49pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Headline:- "£230M Railway Revolution..."!!!!
Article:-- "£180Million fleet..."!!!!
WHICH IS CORRECT?
Headline:- "£230M Railway Revolution..."!!!!
Article:-- "£180Million fleet..."!!!!
WHICH IS CORRECT?
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 7:55pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Answer (Transport Scotland) £180M!!!
So why blatantly "sensationalise" a story,(albeit GOOD railway news)??
Answer (Transport Scotland) £180M!!!
So why blatantly "sensationalise" a story,(albeit GOOD railway news)??
Posted by: chic, paisley on 8:31pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Stephen[/bold] wrote:
Headline:- "£230M Railway Revolution..."!!!!
Article:-- "£180Million fleet..."!!!!
WHICH IS CORRECT?[/quote] both. read it again.
[quote]SCOTLAND is to get a [bold]£180million fleet[/bold] of new hi-tech trains - and most will operate in and out of Glasgow.
Transport chiefs will also create 134 jobs by spending another [bold]£50m on longer platforms and building a new maintenance depot in the[/bold] city's South Side.[/quote]
180 on trains plus 50 on platforms and a maintenance depot.
Andrew Stephen wrote:
Headline:- "£230M Railway Revolution..."!!!!
Article:-- "£180Million fleet..."!!!!
WHICH IS CORRECT?
both. read it again.
SCOTLAND is to get a £180million fleet of new hi-tech trains - and most will operate in and out of Glasgow.
Transport chiefs will also create 134 jobs by spending another £50m on longer platforms and building a new maintenance depot in the city's South Side.
180 on trains plus 50 on platforms and a maintenance depot.
Posted by: Conclusion Jumper, Paisley on 8:32pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Stephen[/bold] wrote:
Answer (Transport Scotland) £180M!!! So why blatantly "sensationalise" a story,(albeit GOOD railway news)??[/quote] Could the extra £50m be to extend platforms and rebuild the sheds at Shields Jn, employ 130 odd maintenance staff and also extra drivers and cleaners as stated in the above article??
Read it again man!!
Andrew Stephen wrote:
Answer (Transport Scotland) £180M!!! So why blatantly "sensationalise" a story,(albeit GOOD railway news)??
Could the extra £50m be to extend platforms and rebuild the sheds at Shields Jn, employ 130 odd maintenance staff and also extra drivers and cleaners as stated in the above article??
Read it again man!!
Posted by: chic, paisley on 8:38pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote:
Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!![/quote] the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games.
if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?)
Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains.
The east end as ever gets it's cut.
Ronnie Cee wrote:
Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!!
the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games.
if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?)
Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains.
The east end as ever gets it's cut.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 8:47pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[bold]http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Jm8RfoGly
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is all I can ask you to watch CLASSIC sketch ,copy and paste to your browser as the smart arses say, called 'waitin on a train(in glasgow)' now, if you do NOT laugh out loud at least once I will come around and kick your heid in!!
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Jm8RfoGly
Hg
is all I can ask you to watch CLASSIC sketch ,copy and paste to your browser as the smart arses say, called 'waitin on a train(in glasgow)' now, if you do NOT laugh out loud at least once I will come around and kick your heid in!!
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 8:51pm Fri 11 Jul 08
www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=Jm8RfoGlyHg uch evening times stop breaking up the links, go and look for user 'calum weir' if this fails and you will see 149 videos by dance monkey boy dance des mclean and co. bbc actors and phone in winder uppers fae clyde 1 ,report back tae Edna with progress reports ,lol
www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=Jm8RfoGlyHg uch evening times stop breaking up the links, go and look for user 'calum weir' if this fails and you will see 149 videos by dance monkey boy dance des mclean and co. bbc actors and phone in winder uppers fae clyde 1 ,report back tae Edna with progress reports ,lol
Posted by: Conclusion Jumper, Paisley on 9:37pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]chic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote: Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!![/quote] the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games. if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?) Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains. The east end as ever gets it's cut.[/quote] Chic,
Why shouldn't the end end get a cut? It's an absolute dump and this could help it's regenerationn as this would be a big attraction to local business and homebuyers. Your reference to Celtic benefitting seems to be sour grapes to me. Is it their fault that this is in their back yard? Have Rangers PLC ever contributed to the SPT as the biggest beneficaries of the current layout? It would be nice to think that other agendas didn't affect your opinions on this
chic wrote:
Ronnie Cee wrote: Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!!
the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games. if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?) Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains. The east end as ever gets it's cut.
Chic,
Why shouldn't the end end get a cut? It's an absolute dump and this could help it's regenerationn as this would be a big attraction to local business and homebuyers. Your reference to Celtic benefitting seems to be sour grapes to me. Is it their fault that this is in their back yard? Have Rangers PLC ever contributed to the SPT as the biggest beneficaries of the current layout? It would be nice to think that other agendas didn't affect your opinions on this
Posted by: chic, paisley on 10:14pm Fri 11 Jul 08
CJ, agree that the east end is a dump, but regeneration fuelled by a rail link? I dunno. With the current situation in the economy there won't be a clamour to build houses anywhere and Builders will stick to certs rather than build in areas that they are uncertain about.
The proposed Commonwealth games village at Dalmarnock may be an isolated example of regeneration in the east, unless there's a quick turnaround in the ecomony in the next couple of years.
as for Celtic, they get the legacy of the underground extension, they should contribute something. (i think SPT have muted a reopening of a station at ibrox btw)
I'm not an OF football supporter, so I have no agenda on one having and the other not or vice versa
CJ, agree that the east end is a dump, but regeneration fuelled by a rail link? I dunno. With the current situation in the economy there won't be a clamour to build houses anywhere and Builders will stick to certs rather than build in areas that they are uncertain about.
The proposed Commonwealth games village at Dalmarnock may be an isolated example of regeneration in the east, unless there's a quick turnaround in the ecomony in the next couple of years.
as for Celtic, they get the legacy of the underground extension, they should contribute something. (i think SPT have muted a reopening of a station at ibrox btw)
I'm not an OF football supporter, so I have no agenda on one having and the other not or vice versa
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 9:03am Sat 12 Jul 08
Can we get some new hi tech trams to to link it up please.
Can we get some new hi tech trams to to link it up please.
Posted by: Veronica Inglis, Knightswood on 3:24pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Hello,
I do believe that this item is genuine, but with minor flaws. By the time these new trains are introduced,(which are electric multiple units, based at Shields Road) they will in actual fact replace some of the older 314 units, and therefore I wonder where the 9000 EXTRA seats come from? On a different matter, as a regular commuter, I also pray Siemens have a better success rate on handover/ takeover than Alsthom, the makers of the 334 units, which were a disaster on their introducion.
Hello,
I do believe that this item is genuine, but with minor flaws. By the time these new trains are introduced,(which are electric multiple units, based at Shields Road) they will in actual fact replace some of the older 314 units, and therefore I wonder where the 9000 EXTRA seats come from? On a different matter, as a regular commuter, I also pray Siemens have a better success rate on handover/ takeover than Alsthom, the makers of the 334 units, which were a disaster on their introducion.
Posted by: Judas, Glasgow on 6:11pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]food lover[/bold] wrote:
As you say, they are 130 electric multiple units built by Siemens and will probably be four car units. (Don't know where the locomotives come in to it!) However by the time they are delivered, the Glasgow/Falkirk/Edin
burgh line may also be electrified as the existing units from Ayrshire are due to go to the Airdrie to Bathgate line.
However that's no good for us stuck with 156 units between Girvan and Newcastle, unless we get the cast off Turbostars from central Scotland...[/quote] The 156 units are fine - one of BRs successes actually. And in any case, you'll find that a lot of the time there are speed restrictions on the lines they are used on.
For example, you'll never see a Turbostar on the West Highland line as it has a maximum speed limit of 70mph, so no need for a unit that does 100mph.
--
food lover wrote:
As you say, they are 130 electric multiple units built by Siemens and will probably be four car units. (Don't know where the locomotives come in to it!) However by the time they are delivered, the Glasgow/Falkirk/Edin
burgh line may also be electrified as the existing units from Ayrshire are due to go to the Airdrie to Bathgate line.
However that's no good for us stuck with 156 units between Girvan and Newcastle, unless we get the cast off Turbostars from central Scotland...
The 156 units are fine - one of BRs successes actually. And in any case, you'll find that a lot of the time there are speed restrictions on the lines they are used on.
For example, you'll never see a Turbostar on the West Highland line as it has a maximum speed limit of 70mph, so no need for a unit that does 100mph.
--
Posted by: tobester, summerston, glasgow on 9:04pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Sad thing is they probably will be wrecked by arseholes (not just vandals, but people who wear suits mon-fri, ever been on a late night train sat/sun to balloch?). What probably will happen is the new ones will do GARL and Ayrshire, the 334s go to the new airdrie-bathgate line, the 320s to the newton, neilston and cathcart circle and the 314s will be retired as they are now almost 30yrs old.
The 320s IMHO are more suited to the south clyde, as there's no need for toilets on them.
Sad thing is they probably will be wrecked by arseholes (not just vandals, but people who wear suits mon-fri, ever been on a late night train sat/sun to balloch?). What probably will happen is the new ones will do GARL and Ayrshire, the 334s go to the new airdrie-bathgate line, the 320s to the newton, neilston and cathcart circle and the 314s will be retired as they are now almost 30yrs old.
The 320s IMHO are more suited to the south clyde, as there's no need for toilets on them.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 11:18pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]expat john[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote: You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.[/quote] Jonny, I live in Calgary, Canada & we have an electric rail system that runs from the out lying areas to downtown. All of the buses from the suburbs run to the nearest station, where you can then get on a train to continue your travel. It costs $2.00 (about 1.00GBP) to travel for 90 minutes. You can even get on a bus, go for your shopping & go back home on the same ticket!!! It gets busy, it's not ideal, but it works. Maybe that's what should be getting introduced into Glasgow if they're serious about trying to get people to use public transport.[/quote] 1 pound you could not get the 8 miles to town by bus for less than £1.50 one way in glasgow mate so there goes that idea 2.75 for an all day pass that if you spent 8 hours of your day on the same bus you might go that far in glagow but if it snows at all and lies on the road even a little in 1 and a half hours you would be lucky to travel 3 miles. So there is no comparisson to be drawn with your neck of the woods.
expat john wrote:
jonny bond wrote: You still will not be able to get a train to the outlying areas of glasgow so no benefit in reduced car use to travel to work. I live at least 2 miles from a station one quarter of the total distance from the city.
Jonny, I live in Calgary, Canada & we have an electric rail system that runs from the out lying areas to downtown. All of the buses from the suburbs run to the nearest station, where you can then get on a train to continue your travel. It costs $2.00 (about 1.00GBP) to travel for 90 minutes. You can even get on a bus, go for your shopping & go back home on the same ticket!!! It gets busy, it's not ideal, but it works. Maybe that's what should be getting introduced into Glasgow if they're serious about trying to get people to use public transport.
1 pound you could not get the 8 miles to town by bus for less than £1.50 one way in glasgow mate so there goes that idea 2.75 for an all day pass that if you spent 8 hours of your day on the same bus you might go that far in glagow but if it snows at all and lies on the road even a little in 1 and a half hours you would be lucky to travel 3 miles. So there is no comparisson to be drawn with your neck of the woods.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 11:21pm Sat 12 Jul 08
and whatever gave you the idea that they are encouraging us to use public transport its far easier to price folk out their cars with the highest petrol prices in the world bar none £1.30 a litre for diesel unless you are a cowpat eating farmer.
and whatever gave you the idea that they are encouraging us to use public transport its far easier to price folk out their cars with the highest petrol prices in the world bar none £1.30 a litre for diesel unless you are a cowpat eating farmer.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 9:24am Mon 14 Jul 08
[quote][bold]chic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote: Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!![/quote] the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games. if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?) Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains. The east end as ever gets it's cut.[/quote] If the Subway extension ever gets off the ground (or should that be IN to the ground lol!), I'll eat my shoes. Given Crossrail has been on the drawing board for 20+ years and the length of time it's taken to get GARL approved by the politicians I'll be middle aged by the time any radical expansion happens.
chic wrote:
Ronnie Cee wrote: Great eh? We've been screaming for an extension of the subway system out to the densely populated city areas to the East and South, yet the new trains will all travel the opposite way. Dear God, what have the populations of Easterhouse, Bridgton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang, etc' got to do to get a decent transport system? Promises, promises by Fathers but B*gger all for the poorer parts of the city. Shame on you!!
the east end will get the 'subway' extension (well, normal trains) that's proposed for the commonwealth games. if SPT weren't involved, there's have been some sort of announcement by now. (oh and will Celtic PLC as the biggest beneficiary be making a contribution?) Easterhouse, Bridgeton, Shettleston, Parkhead and Cambuslang all have heavy rail on the north clyde or argyle lines. Through investment on trains for ayrshire and inverclyde lines, the 334 junipers will be cascaded to work on those lines replacing older 320 class trains. The east end as ever gets it's cut.
If the Subway extension ever gets off the ground (or should that be IN to the ground lol!), I'll eat my shoes. Given Crossrail has been on the drawing board for 20+ years and the length of time it's taken to get GARL approved by the politicians I'll be middle aged by the time any radical expansion happens.
Posted by: expat john, Canada on 4:20pm Mon 14 Jul 08
johnny bond, been out of the place for eleven years, so my memory of the transport system is non-existant. Must be a pain to get around. I guess I'll find out in a week when I come back for a visit...though with petrol at those prices I doubt if I'll be hiring a car!!! We're at $1.36 (about 69 pence) a litre for petrol. And I thought the flights were going to be the expensive part of the trip!!!!
johnny bond, been out of the place for eleven years, so my memory of the transport system is non-existant. Must be a pain to get around. I guess I'll find out in a week when I come back for a visit...though with petrol at those prices I doubt if I'll be hiring a car!!! We're at $1.36 (about 69 pence) a litre for petrol. And I thought the flights were going to be the expensive part of the trip!!!!
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