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Fury over Tesco Town green light
 

by Gordon Thomson

ANGRY campaigners today criticised the shock decision to give the go-ahead to the controversial Tesco Town development for Glasgow's West End.

The reporter who chaired the public inquiry was condemned for his "inexplicable" decision, which could pave the way for a giant supermarket and almost 900 flats.

Britain's biggest supermarket chain had lodged an appeal after council chiefs in Glasgow had failed to decide whether to allow the scheme in the Beith Street area of Partick to go ahead.

The appeal led to the Scottish Government appointing Michael Culshaw to head a public inquiry.

The Evening Times revealed last week that he has since ruled that the so- called Tesco Town scheme could go ahead - despite objections from more than 2400 protesters.

The decision has stunned campaigners with STOP - Stop Tesco Owning Partick - who are amazed that a second planning application for a supermarket-only scheme was turned down. Tesco had originally lodged the supermarket-only plan in case the other scheme was thrown out by councillors.

In a statement, the campaign group said: "STOP finds it inexplicable that this larger scheme, the one that STOP has shown at the inquiry does the most damage, was approved, and the more benign scheme was dismissed."

Protesters fear the go-ahead will badly hit the area's existing independent retailers, even though there remain serious doubts over whether Tesco will proceed with plans to build 650 student flats and 220 private apartments.

Developers behind Glasgow Harbour, who plan a rival scheme, recently outbid Tesco to buy-up a strip of council land which the supermarket giant needed as an access route to the flats.

How Tesco chiefs will overcome that setback is not clear. So far they have refused to comment.

Publication date 21/07/08

Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:24am Mon 21 Jul 08
I wouldn't worry too much about this as New Labour's disastrous economic policy will ensure that a development of this nature and scale will never happen... move on, nothing to see here!

Sydney Meriwether
On holiday in Ullapool without the dog.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:42am Mon 21 Jul 08

As those with even the highest level of optimisim will know, the current economic climate, and worsening recession could make the likelyhood of such a large housing development & the Tesco unlikely.

Certainly within the short term.

Nobody knows yet if Tesco and Glasgow Harbour will end up coming to an agreement over the piece of land needed by Tesco for access to their site.

There is also the attempts of Glasgow Harbour to see a supermarket ( perhaps Tesco?) building a store - supermarket at South Street, on a site ear-marked & given outline permission for such use.

If Tesco are declining to comment for this long then even they could potentially having doubts over useage of the land at this moment in time.

As, if people cannot even sell their own properties, and the cost of living is so high the idea of building 650 student flats and 220 private apartments when there is so much financial uncertainty ahead seems ludicrous.

Even Tesco have to admit defeat on the odd occassion, whether due to public pressure & real opposition, refusal by the planning process, or changes in the economic climate meaning such a project would be less economically viable ? to start certainly in the short term.

I just hope this will turn out to be the case.

Everywhere you look, all around it's the giant Tescos, ASDA's and Shopping Centres of this world which are:

killing communities
killing communication between the public & customers
killing local traders livelyhoods
killing diversity of shops in local communities

Lets hope this will not be the case this time around.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:03pm Mon 21 Jul 08
The reporter who chaired the public inquiry was condemned for his "inexplicable" decision, which could pave the way for a giant supermarket and almost 900 flats.
Inexplicable? I can explain it.

He made the decision he thought was the right one. And because he was not bound to respect the views of the "anti-korprit" brigade and the "tanning salon, charity shop, nail parlours, Bright House and amusement arcade" society, he was free to do so.

Cue much squealing, screeching and cut-and-pasting from the usual suspects!
Posted by: the man, moral high ground on 12:13pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Johnny you stupid boy . The people think it is wrong and thats why it should not go ahead . If you cannot understand the basics of democracy please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging .
Posted by: the man, moral high ground on 12:13pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Johnny you stupid boy . The people think it is wrong and thats why it should not go ahead . If you cannot understand the basics of democracy please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging .
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:26pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Certainly, TM,MHG, some people thimk it is wrong. Problem is they are more sanctimonious than the rest of us and believe because they feel strongly about tomething their views should prevail over the views of us less noisy people.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:09pm Mon 21 Jul 08

Again, fully agree with the man, moral high ground.
Johnny, this is nothing to do with being "sanctimonious". If it comes to it, your irritable rants aren't much better, or sensical.

Those who speak out against something which they believe to be wholly unacceptable, innappropriate, decided & based upon political reasons, and alleged backhanders, and which serves little purpose or benefit to the community they belong to have more genuine concern for their community than your simple and senseless, rants ever can.

If you cannot take this debate seriously, and just want to say black when everyone says white fine. But, try to sound like your serious, not just pathetically stirring things.

As TM,MHG quite rightly says:
please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging .


Some of us have got more serious matters to discuss.
Posted by: Happy Harry, Glasgow on 1:14pm Mon 21 Jul 08
the man, moral high ground
"The people think it is wrong and thats why it should not go ahead . If you cannot understand the basics of democracy please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging ."

By the people I take it you are refering to the self righteous, self appointed representives of Partick called STOP.
STOP objects to-
(1) democratically elected local government
(2) independent public inquiries created by the democratically elected Scottish government.
(3) the people of Partick being allowed to choose were they shop as they are too stupd and will choose Tesco.
(4) reducing traffic congestion and pollution in Maryhill, Govan and Anniesland.

Democracy is a bit more complex than just being you get what you want all the tme or you throw a tantrum and call everyone else stupid.
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 1:17pm Mon 21 Jul 08
the man wrote:
Johnny you stupid boy . The people think it is wrong and thats why it should not go ahead . If you cannot understand the basics of democracy please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging .
I agree with johnie,- the decision appears to have been made on behalf of the silent majority of locals etc., not the vociferous minority of 'local shopkeepers' etc., although they have a fair point.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:48pm Mon 21 Jul 08

Happy Harry,

I cannot speak for the S.T.O.P. group....
You will have to address your issues with them directly.

However, what I can say if you believe that local Government have been voted democratically, including many of those within G.C.C. you would be mistaken.

Everybody knows the turnouts at polling stations for elections - either back in 1995 or before are pathetically low & far from representative of the public majority.

Those who do attend their politicians, councillors etc will also know many don't even turn up at their surgeries reguarly, answer their e-mails, or letters, or turn up at other meetings where rota's are set up (i.e.) Community Council Meetings.

Demcracy may be a bit more complex, but only in the sense that when it comes to accountability, blame, being able to see those who are not doing their jobs adequately step to one side forcing a by-election for their seat the proceedures & policies are non existant to see this option being open to us the electorate.

That is not democracy, that is autocracy & dictatorship which sees far less transparency than we should have, and far more cover ups, lies, and pocket lining by those meant to represent us in an upfront, and honest manner.

And as for your final point :

(4) reducing traffic congestion and pollution in Maryhill, Govan and Anniesland.


Try adding Partick to that list, as the addition of M & S food store to a retail park has seen traffic using it more than double.

Traffic on Dumbarton Road, Partick used to be bad at peak times, and slightly quieter off peak.
Now there is no discrepancy between the two times.

The volume of traffic in other areas may well be bad, but Anniesland does not have the higher volume of buses that Partick does going through it.

Anniesland has not got nearly as many shops - retail units along Great Western Road, as Dumbarton Road, Partick.

.....as for Govan, from all the feedback I constantly get, it's been killed off by ASDA.

Just wait till Tesco open its doors in Linwood, & Maryhill Shopping centre - shops in both places will be systematically killed off.

Then tell me where the choice is ? As not everyone wants to go into a supermarket and be duped into all the special offers as well as waiting in long queues at the tills.
Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:24pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about this as New Labour's disastrous economic policy will ensure that a development of this nature and scale will never happen... move on, nothing to see here! Sydney Meriwether On holiday in Ullapool without the dog.

"move on, nothing to see here",

Even Snydey sees no merit in his own ramblings.
That's a step forward!

Must be the happiest dog in Glasgow.






Posted by: murdo, partick on 2:48pm Mon 21 Jul 08
The group holding the land, Glasgow Harbour is keeping quiet just now,are they waiting for the fuss to die down before thet sell the land to Tesco at a profitas they are having problems buliding and sell their own houses. Tesco already have an express shop under way near Partick Cross which should supply the moaners with their Tesco junk food and drink, keep Partick free of any more traffic build ups and let your children breath fresh air instead of car, bus fumes in the future.
Posted by: gmac, Germany on 3:39pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Regards cars through Partick, I was under the impression that improved access from the Clydeside expressway would allow cars to loop round the back of Safeway en route to the land in question, without actually entering Partick. Otherways, traffic is coming down Byres road, past many food outlets. Dumbarton road a such is irrelevant to the argument, as the expresswa and South Street are easily accessed, going all the way to Yoker.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 3:56pm Mon 21 Jul 08

As easy as it is to make these points gmac,
that arguement only applies depending on where the majority of cars - traffic comes from to access the Tesco.

Many people still opt to use Dumbarton Road, instead of the Clydeside Expressway -
as with the re-development of the Clydeside Expressway, and complexities of it since sections have been re-built at the Hayburn Junction in particular people are less sure about using it over their familiarity of Dumbarton Road.

Also, your point as sensical as it sounds does not apply to those who come from what Tesco refer to as a local journey - or 30 minutes car drive. ( up to 10 - 15 miles potentially!)

Dumbarton Road may seem irrelevant - well if that is the case why is the level of queues, congestion and traffic build up on it just now as bad ? - and that's before any Tesco.

Many people cannot change the habit of a lifetime. Finding ways to reduce the volume of cars along Dumbarton Road before any potential Tesco is built is crucial, as otherwise persuading people to switch to public transport - buses will be fruitless.

Buses must be given far more priority on what is primarily a bus corridor & delivery access point for many of the shops.

Whatever happens re this Beith Street Tesco saga,
Car drivers need to be made far more aware of the alternatives like South Street, Castlebank Street, Beith Street, the Clydeside Expressway and ultimately their option of leaving their cars at home, now that would be a novelty!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 5:28pm Mon 21 Jul 08
As I said yesterday, if it's built, and the local people don't want to use it, then they won't and the store will fail. If however - brace yourself PP - loads of people go shopping there and it makes money, then it will stay. That's how it works. There will be competition amongst stores and people will vote with their feet and wallet. That's people power.

I actually drove along Dumbarton Road today, against my better instincts as there's always very slow traffic, but I was interested in this 'thriving community of local shops' thing that people are banging on about. Didnae see it, sorry. I mean, great if you want a kebab or a second hand shirt, but I don't imagine Tesco is lining up to steal those markets.
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 6:14pm Mon 21 Jul 08
ANGRY campaigners today criticised the shock decision to give the go-ahead to the controversial Tesco Town development for Glasgow's West End.
I don't understand,given the record of alleged corruption within the GCC and the economic power of huge corporations, why this is a shock.
Posted by: Hank Marvin, the shops on 6:17pm Mon 21 Jul 08
The more shops there are in a community, the better and more competetive, the price war, benefiting the local consumers.

Only today, I had £10 off when spending more than £50 on clothes at Tesco menaing I got sale stuff even cheaper, and because I spent £50 taken down to £40, I was also handed a 5p off a litre of fuel as well, not bad!

Must also state for the record, rather than slate them, they are a good mob to the community, they have been good at the computers for schools vouchers and seem a good company to work for also branched out into car insurance and so on, then again so are most of the big stores multi national ltd companies and so on, so alls fair in love and war and food wars!

Fold always eat and the more choice the better , plus I am applying for a job at the checkouts so I can see and gab to everyone and make everyoese day brighter for my big cheesy smile.

This is the checkout pitch" Hi have you got a Clubcard? Do you need a hand with your packing? And do I suit this fetching blue shirt? "

Wot do ye think ,guys?

Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:50pm Mon 21 Jul 08
People Power bleated:
Just wait till Tesco open its doors in Linwood, & Maryhill Shopping centre - shops in both places will be systematically killed off.
Have you seen Linwood shops? It has been a terrible dive wirh absolutely horrible shops in a nasty concrete wildreneness in trhe twwenty years I have known the area. And Peole Power, have you actually been inside Maryhill Shopping Centre? The last time I was there the main store was a Tesco!
Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 6:56pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Excellent news ill be able to get a subway over and laugh at all the congestion in partick as the poor souls in their ever decreesing equity houses, sit at their wee windaes greeting.

It also give me a change to empty all the litter in my pockets


Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 6:57pm Mon 21 Jul 08
aint life great

more turmoil for the west end elite

gridlock, permit charges, scum from all over roaming their streets
Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 6:59pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Happy Harry wrote:
the man, moral high ground "The people think it is wrong and thats why it should not go ahead . If you cannot understand the basics of democracy please go back to reading your Beano as you will find the story lines in there quite challenging ." By the people I take it you are refering to the self righteous, self appointed representives of Partick called STOP. STOP objects to- (1) democratically elected local government (2) independent public inquiries created by the democratically elected Scottish government. (3) the people of Partick being allowed to choose were they shop as they are too stupd and will choose Tesco. (4) reducing traffic congestion and pollution in Maryhill, Govan and Anniesland. Democracy is a bit more complex than just being you get what you want all the tme or you throw a tantrum and call everyone else stupid.
spot on

stop is nothing but a bunch of retired geriatrics thinking they still got something to contribute to society

they whine on about democracy , but only when it suits them
Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 7:03pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Hank Marvin wrote:
The more shops there are in a community, the better and more competetive, the price war, benefiting the local consumers. Only today, I had £10 off when spending more than £50 on clothes at Tesco menaing I got sale stuff even cheaper, and because I spent £50 taken down to £40, I was also handed a 5p off a litre of fuel as well, not bad! Must also state for the record, rather than slate them, they are a good mob to the community, they have been good at the computers for schools vouchers and seem a good company to work for also branched out into car insurance and so on, then again so are most of the big stores multi national ltd companies and so on, so alls fair in love and war and food wars! Fold always eat and the more choice the better , plus I am applying for a job at the checkouts so I can see and gab to everyone and make everyoese day brighter for my big cheesy smile. This is the checkout pitch" Hi have you got a Clubcard? Do you need a hand with your packing? And do I suit this fetching blue shirt? " Wot do ye think ,guys?
how can you argue with that

hanks live is going to be changes overnight

Tescoland is nirvana
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 7:18pm Mon 21 Jul 08
scotgod wrote:
aint life great more turmoil for the west end elite gridlock, permit charges, scum from all over roaming their streets

These issues are the tip of the iceberg.

Todays culture of drinking to excess, assaults, knife crimes & general public disorder due to drinking to excess are far more of a worry, all being the west end isn't as badly affected as more impoverished areas.

The west end also has the worry of the closure of its Western Infirmary & it's A & E, and people being forced to travel to the Royal Infirmary & Southern General.

Making significant & sustainable changes to the behaviour of young men & gang culture of Glasgow.

Getting back to the issue of Tesco people will of course become acclimatized to it, and will start shopping there. The excessive gimmicks, advertising, special offers etc all help.

However, those local butchers, fishmongers, electrical shops, even post offices ? and remaining clothes shops will all suffer to a greater or lesser degree.

Those pensioners, disabled, and more vulnerable groups in society don't always have the ability to travel to, or want to go to such a giant supermarket.

Also, with little or no atmosphere, familiar friendly staff faces, staff prepared to go that little bit further to assist, or ability to get in & out as quickly as some like ( despite the cheaper costs) many folk want to know they have that option of local traders, with that friendliness that is all too often missing from giant supermarkets.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:44pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Also, with little or no atmosphere, familiar friendly staff faces, staff prepared to go that little bit further to assist, or ability to get in & out as quickly as some like ( despite the cheaper costs) many folk want to know they have that option of local traders, with that friendliness that is all too often missing from giant supermarkets.
You do realise that she's taking about the shops in Partick, don't you! I've never used the tanning salons, nail bars, Noble's Amusements and the like, but the staff at Morrison's and Sainsbury do tend to be quite pleasant and helpful, though that's hardly making her point for her.
Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 9:09pm Mon 21 Jul 08
who cares about the butchers fishmongers etc,

7.50 for a crap steak pie i paid in dumbarton road, I bought a much superior one in tescos at only 3,00

close all those little pavilions of mediocrity, pretending they give the personal touch when in reality all they do is drive out of the area after raking it in to their big hooses in bearsden
Posted by: Hank Marvin, Cludgie on 10:02pm Mon 21 Jul 08
scotgod, separated at bith from me ? ha

I like big shops and 24hr ones are fab, not everyone works 9-5 and men hate shietey food shopping, we only like buying gadgets, can suit yourself when you buy your wee three quid pie, butchers are filthy swines too, they leave meats in display units with no coverings and dont wash their sweaty hands, Id rather a supermarket air vacuum packed my meat and raw was kept away from cooked. and proper best before rules were adhered to. Wee poxy butchers go under as stuff was too dear, bakers candlestick makers and cobblers, ok you dont have to swear second rate shops are all dead and buried long live big fancy supermarkets and clean and fresh aisles , friendly folk on tills, big warehouse sized establishments, full of good consumables for all punters!hell yes!

quality!!!!
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 10:18am Tue 22 Jul 08
cheery wrote:
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