Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 11:16am Wed 23 Jul 08
Make all the anti-social neighbours live together in high-rises instead of spreading them among the law-abiding majority. Then, if their behaviour causes a tragedy, it'll be no great loss.
Make all the anti-social neighbours live together in high-rises instead of spreading them among the law-abiding majority. Then, if their behaviour causes a tragedy, it'll be no great loss.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:32am Wed 23 Jul 08
Surely the incompetent housing association, decrepit city Council or the SFR have a responsibility between them to ensure that the dry-riser units are secure [bold]BEFORE[/bold] they are needed for life-saving use.
If they can afford to employ a spokesman always to blame someone else about everything that goes wrong with SFR, then surely they could employ a safety officer to check the dry-risers in the city's dwindling stock of high rises?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.[/italic]
Surely the incompetent housing association, decrepit city Council or the SFR have a responsibility between them to ensure that the dry-riser units are secure
BEFORE they are needed for life-saving use.
If they can afford to employ a spokesman always to blame someone else about everything that goes wrong with SFR, then surely they could employ a safety officer to check the dry-risers in the city's dwindling stock of high rises?
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Sydney Meriwether
Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education. Posted by: JC, Renfrewshire on 11:34am Wed 23 Jul 08
Nice one! This is the ideal solution so long as they take their Social Workers with them.
Nice one! This is the ideal solution so long as they take their Social Workers with them.
Posted by: witterquick, Glasgow on 11:36am Wed 23 Jul 08
Sydney give it a rest. It's as certain as death and taxes that for every hundred people, you'll get a few who make it their sole purpose in their life to make the lives of others just that bit harder. The problem's neither with the GCC nor the SFR, it's with the mentality of these thugs who don't give a second thought about what they're actually doing.
Sydney give it a rest. It's as certain as death and taxes that for every hundred people, you'll get a few who make it their sole purpose in their life to make the lives of others just that bit harder. The problem's neither with the GCC nor the SFR, it's with the mentality of these thugs who don't give a second thought about what they're actually doing.
Posted by: Brad on 11:51am Wed 23 Jul 08
[quote]Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.[/quote]
You should write to the SNP Government, Sydney, since it's their decision to allocate most of this to the Games (instead of education, etc.).
Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.
You should write to the SNP Government, Sydney, since it's their decision to allocate most of this to the Games (instead of education, etc.).
Posted by: Scott, Airdrie on 12:20pm Wed 23 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.[/quote] You should write to the SNP Government, Sydney, since it's their decision to allocate most of this to the Games (instead of education, etc.).[/quote] Once they've paid to educate Sydney, there will be very little left for anything else.....
Brad wrote:
Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.
You should write to the SNP Government, Sydney, since it's their decision to allocate most of this to the Games (instead of education, etc.).
Once they've paid to educate Sydney, there will be very little left for anything else.....
Posted by: iloveglasgow on 1:08pm Wed 23 Jul 08
how is it that we can only comment on some stories
how is it that we can only comment on some stories
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 1:21pm Wed 23 Jul 08
Yes, how is it we can only have a say on some of the stories, and what,pray tell, is a high riser?? Thanks
Yes, how is it we can only have a say on some of the stories, and what,pray tell, is a high riser?? Thanks
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 1:35pm Wed 23 Jul 08
Thank you celtic4,- I'm sitting reading this stuff, feeling pretty stupid, as everyone else seems to know. I presume it's some sort of tap for a fire hose?
Thank you celtic4,- I'm sitting reading this stuff, feeling pretty stupid, as everyone else seems to know. I presume it's some sort of tap for a fire hose?
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 1:38pm Wed 23 Jul 08
A dry riser is an input point on the outside of the building that allows the firemen to connect their water hose to. Inside the building, there are dry riser outlets (on each floor) which the firemen connect their hose to and the water comes through.
The dry-riser is a dry pipe system within the building that allows water in and flows through the system to be accessed on each floor.
A dry riser is an input point on the outside of the building that allows the firemen to connect their water hose to. Inside the building, there are dry riser outlets (on each floor) which the firemen connect their hose to and the water comes through.
The dry-riser is a dry pipe system within the building that allows water in and flows through the system to be accessed on each floor.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 1:45pm Wed 23 Jul 08
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote:
Make all the anti-social neighbours live together in high-rises instead of spreading them among the law-abiding majority. Then, if their behaviour causes a tragedy, it'll be no great loss.[/quote] I thought that was the plan...
FMJ wrote:
Make all the anti-social neighbours live together in high-rises instead of spreading them among the law-abiding majority. Then, if their behaviour causes a tragedy, it'll be no great loss.
I thought that was the plan...
Posted by: Jonah, Glasgow on 1:50pm Wed 23 Jul 08
Sydney SFR employs thousands of safety officers, every firefighter is one and can expect to carry out regular multi-storey inspections on tower blocks like Pinkston. When defects are found, whether it be to the dry/wet risers, self closers, hydrants etc, a list is forwarded to the relevant housing association. That the housing association drags it heels in repairing these faults can hardly be blamed on SFR.
Sydney SFR employs thousands of safety officers, every firefighter is one and can expect to carry out regular multi-storey inspections on tower blocks like Pinkston. When defects are found, whether it be to the dry/wet risers, self closers, hydrants etc, a list is forwarded to the relevant housing association. That the housing association drags it heels in repairing these faults can hardly be blamed on SFR.
Posted by: yerauldda, West End Exile on 3:33pm Wed 23 Jul 08
the only way to ensure they are in 100% working order 100% of the time is to have a 24 hour guard on each one
there's a job for you syd, to get you off the sick
the only way to ensure they are in 100% working order 100% of the time is to have a 24 hour guard on each one
there's a job for you syd, to get you off the sick
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:36pm Wed 23 Jul 08
soddin mindless thugs, lives could've been lost. I am glad firecrew and all residents are safe and well.
soddin mindless thugs, lives could've been lost. I am glad firecrew and all residents are safe and well.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:43pm Wed 23 Jul 08
A few owner occupiers enjoy living in tower blocks ,and decent council tenants, most with concierge and not any vandalism , its not all anti social scum , and anyway, a human life is still a human life.
A lot of folk are horrible antisocial neighbours and live in close proximity when in a tower. I feel sorry for the decent civilised ones who mind their own business and are out working and deserve to live in quiet homes with un-vandalised communal areas/lifts/dry risers.
A few owner occupiers enjoy living in tower blocks ,and decent council tenants, most with concierge and not any vandalism , its not all anti social scum , and anyway, a human life is still a human life.
A lot of folk are horrible antisocial neighbours and live in close proximity when in a tower. I feel sorry for the decent civilised ones who mind their own business and are out working and deserve to live in quiet homes with un-vandalised communal areas/lifts/dry risers.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 5:15pm Wed 23 Jul 08
the council can only act on tip-offs, and maybe folk are scared to 'grass' so everyone reaidng this should report any dodgy things, if all that is true then it is a police matter as well.
the council can only act on tip-offs, and maybe folk are scared to 'grass' so everyone reaidng this should report any dodgy things, if all that is true then it is a police matter as well.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 5:27pm Wed 23 Jul 08
[quote]A probe is being carried out today at the flat where the blaze broke out. It's been cordoned off and a police officer is standing guard.[/quote]
suspicious goings on are being looked into as we speak anyway
A probe is being carried out today at the flat where the blaze broke out. It's been cordoned off and a police officer is standing guard.
suspicious goings on are being looked into as we speak anyway
Posted by: Bill Emerson, USA on 5:53pm Wed 23 Jul 08
The problem in tower blocks was/is the same as in any other community. Resources.
I lived a Manchester tower block for many years and the accomodation was excellent.
When we first moved in each of the three blocks had a live in caretaker, a community room and laundrette. Over a couple of years however this was changed. First the caretakers were reduced to one for all three blocks and the laundrettes were closed. Next the community rooms were closed and finally the last live in caretaker was paid off. With each of these reductions in services came an increase in vandalism and a loss of the sense of community. Like myself a lot of the origonal tenents became desperate to leave and the downward spiral began.
Similar problems existed across the country but at least one developer reversed that trend in London by modernising the flats and providing amenities. A successful move that ensured those flats were highly sought after.
Investment in building these communities would have been the key to high rise living but it wasnt to be and the opportunity has been lost.
The problem in tower blocks was/is the same as in any other community. Resources.
I lived a Manchester tower block for many years and the accomodation was excellent.
When we first moved in each of the three blocks had a live in caretaker, a community room and laundrette. Over a couple of years however this was changed. First the caretakers were reduced to one for all three blocks and the laundrettes were closed. Next the community rooms were closed and finally the last live in caretaker was paid off. With each of these reductions in services came an increase in vandalism and a loss of the sense of community. Like myself a lot of the origonal tenents became desperate to leave and the downward spiral began.
Similar problems existed across the country but at least one developer reversed that trend in London by modernising the flats and providing amenities. A successful move that ensured those flats were highly sought after.
Investment in building these communities would have been the key to high rise living but it wasnt to be and the opportunity has been lost.
Posted by: ghaswatch, glasgow on 10:40pm Wed 23 Jul 08
I think bill emerson's point is half right. People make a community not caretakers who do a good job, [bold]the people have to get together and fight for their community[/bold]
I think bill emerson's point is half right. People make a community not caretakers who do a good job,
the people have to get together and fight for their community Posted by: whiskyjack, Tyne and Wear on 12:24am Thu 24 Jul 08
Any mental enough to vandalise this type of equipment needs a good kick up the arse!!!!
Any mental enough to vandalise this type of equipment needs a good kick up the arse!!!!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:16am Thu 24 Jul 08
i would put a bet on that the vandals who tampered with the water supply are familiar with the vandalizing of the fire hydrants which has been reported recently, there should be a reward from the police if the culprits are pointed out, although some kids would try to do damage you will normally find it is somebodys big brother and the wee ones are the look out, and the parents are neighbours who live in the area,... parents and neighbours help the area and phone the athorities , even if you send a card with the person responsible......thi
s comes under the heading of attempted murder...no matter what people think.
i would put a bet on that the vandals who tampered with the water supply are familiar with the vandalizing of the fire hydrants which has been reported recently, there should be a reward from the police if the culprits are pointed out, although some kids would try to do damage you will normally find it is somebodys big brother and the wee ones are the look out, and the parents are neighbours who live in the area,... parents and neighbours help the area and phone the athorities , even if you send a card with the person responsible......thi
s comes under the heading of attempted murder...no matter what people think.
Posted by: fireman fan, glasgow on 9:21am Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Surely the incompetent housing association, decrepit city Council or the SFR have a responsibility between them to ensure that the dry-riser units are secure [bold]BEFORE[/bold] they are needed for life-saving use. If they can afford to employ a spokesman always to blame someone else about everything that goes wrong with SFR, then surely they could employ a safety officer to check the dry-risers in the city's dwindling stock of high rises? -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.[/italic] [/quote] they get checked regularly by the operational crews. they cant be getting checked 24 hrs a day!
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Surely the incompetent housing association, decrepit city Council or the SFR have a responsibility between them to ensure that the dry-riser units are secure BEFORE they are needed for life-saving use. If they can afford to employ a spokesman always to blame someone else about everything that goes wrong with SFR, then surely they could employ a safety officer to check the dry-risers in the city's dwindling stock of high rises? -- Sydney Meriwether Scrap the 2014 Diddy games; put the £300 million into education.
they get checked regularly by the operational crews. they cant be getting checked 24 hrs a day!
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