Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 11:38am Thu 24 Jul 08
Of course there was no sign of Labour politicians - if I'd spent 50 years lying, cheating and swindling a community while allowing it to degenerate into a third-world backwater, I'd be afraid to show my face as well.
Of course there was no sign of Labour politicians - if I'd spent 50 years lying, cheating and swindling a community while allowing it to degenerate into a third-world backwater, I'd be afraid to show my face as well.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08
A cheque for £139.50 is now on the way to the BBC TV Licensing; thanks to the BBC for last night showing Steven Purcell to be the joke politician he is... put him next to other politicians on Newsnight Scotland and you can see he is completely [bold]incapable of debating issues at a mature level[/bold]. As for his thoroughly inadequate 'defence of' daft wee Maggie Curran's disastrous record, pure classic!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country.[/italic]
A cheque for £139.50 is now on the way to the BBC TV Licensing; thanks to the BBC for last night showing Steven Purcell to be the joke politician he is... put him next to other politicians on Newsnight Scotland and you can see he is completely
incapable of debating issues at a mature level. As for his thoroughly inadequate 'defence of' daft wee Maggie Curran's disastrous record, pure classic!
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Sydney Meriwether
Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country. Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 12:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Margaret Curran's rant at Michael Crick on Newsnight last night was really worth seeing - trying to ignore the rumours about the (alleged) misconduct by the previous incumbent and claiming she didn't even know where his constituency office was located - aye, right.
Margaret Curran's rant at Michael Crick on Newsnight last night was really worth seeing - trying to ignore the rumours about the (alleged) misconduct by the previous incumbent and claiming she didn't even know where his constituency office was located - aye, right.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:11pm Thu 24 Jul 08
"The vote is too close to call" thats one way of putting it. Labour are shi**ing themselves, and quaking in their boots at the prospect of a major headache come Friday is another.
Their new name come Friday will aptly be by my reckoning [bold]"The Idle Commisserators"[/bold]
SNP may be far from the perfect party to fight our corner in Westminster & beyond. But, the shocking record of the labour party means people must switch their allegiance, and give SNP that chance. Nothing will ever change, or improve otherwise.
"The vote is too close to call" thats one way of putting it. Labour are shi**ing themselves, and quaking in their boots at the prospect of a major headache come Friday is another.
Their new name come Friday will aptly be by my reckoning
"The Idle Commisserators"
SNP may be far from the perfect party to fight our corner in Westminster & beyond. But, the shocking record of the labour party means people must switch their allegiance, and give SNP that chance. Nothing will ever change, or improve otherwise.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
"The vote is too close to call" thats one way of putting it. Labour are shi**ing themselves, and quaking in their boots at the prospect of a major headache come Friday is another. Their new name come Friday will aptly be by my reckoning [bold]"The Idle Commisserators"[/bold] SNP may be far from the perfect party to fight our corner in Westminster & beyond. But, the shocking record of the labour party means people must switch their allegiance, and give SNP that chance. Nothing will ever change, or improve otherwise. [/quote] Regardless of what he (Steven Purcell) was claiming last night on Newsnight Scotland - I agree with all of the above, the wee cover up and blatant avoidance of the questions being asked as shown last night was nothing short of a heavy diversion from from Purcell and Curran.
If, by chance, due to unfortunate circumstances that Labour do happen to win this by-election, and even after all for what has happened in a once hugely populated part of the city which contained solid communities that are no longer existant or the respect and pride that people once had - it is a shame to know that things will not improve.
Glasgow and Scotland deserves much better, common sense over a lost cause.
People Power wrote:
"The vote is too close to call" thats one way of putting it. Labour are shi**ing themselves, and quaking in their boots at the prospect of a major headache come Friday is another. Their new name come Friday will aptly be by my reckoning "The Idle Commisserators" SNP may be far from the perfect party to fight our corner in Westminster & beyond. But, the shocking record of the labour party means people must switch their allegiance, and give SNP that chance. Nothing will ever change, or improve otherwise.
Regardless of what he (Steven Purcell) was claiming last night on Newsnight Scotland - I agree with all of the above, the wee cover up and blatant avoidance of the questions being asked as shown last night was nothing short of a heavy diversion from from Purcell and Curran.
If, by chance, due to unfortunate circumstances that Labour do happen to win this by-election, and even after all for what has happened in a once hugely populated part of the city which contained solid communities that are no longer existant or the respect and pride that people once had - it is a shame to know that things will not improve.
Glasgow and Scotland deserves much better, common sense over a lost cause.
Posted by: haud me back, glasgow on 12:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08
No need for the Liebour activist to be there early, the UB40ers don't rise before sun is high in the sky! mind you he'll probably have been a doler himself and wanting to keep an even keel for his benefits.
No need for the Liebour activist to be there early, the UB40ers don't rise before sun is high in the sky! mind you he'll probably have been a doler himself and wanting to keep an even keel for his benefits.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:52pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote]Im afraid that wont happen,the my "old granny voted labour all her life",attitude is deeply installed in the psyche of working and non -working labour voters.Even if their auld granny died without two halfpennies to rub together they would still put an X For the same policies,same old tripe,same old labour.[/quote]
[italic]The above was written on the East End Postings yesterday[/italic]
It sounds to me like a situation whereby if it was Robert Mugabe standing for election, people would vote him in if he respresented Labour.
Ironically, the vast swathes of fields and wasted communities are a sign that major chunks of Glasgow East almost on a par with Zimbabwe itself - Labour Loyalty eh???
Crazy!
Im afraid that wont happen,the my "old granny voted labour all her life",attitude is deeply installed in the psyche of working and non -working labour voters.Even if their auld granny died without two halfpennies to rub together they would still put an X For the same policies,same old tripe,same old labour.
The above was written on the East End Postings yesterday
It sounds to me like a situation whereby if it was Robert Mugabe standing for election, people would vote him in if he respresented Labour.
Ironically, the vast swathes of fields and wasted communities are a sign that major chunks of Glasgow East almost on a par with Zimbabwe itself - Labour Loyalty eh???
Crazy!
Posted by: Grumpy Gordon, In a TV Liscence Van Outside Sydneys Hoose on 12:56pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
A cheque for £139.50 is now on the way to the BBC TV Licensing; thanks to the BBC for last night showing Steven Purcell to be the joke politician he is... put him next to other politicians on Newsnight Scotland and you can see he is completely [bold]incapable of debating issues at a mature level[/bold]. As for his thoroughly inadequate 'defence of' daft wee Maggie Curran's disastrous record, pure classic! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country.[/italic] [/quote] Not paying your liscence till you see something you like Cindy?
Bet you download MP3's and films 'on the sly' too to eat with your out of date food you've raided fae supermarket bins.
Cretin.
Oh by the way folks - [bold]vote SNP!![/bold] . Mason, IMO certainly seems to be the right choice. Labour really are [italic]past there sell by date[/italic] (just like Cindy's bin raided dinner).
Makes me wonder why Cindy hates them so much though... Did Maggie Curran knock you back when you were a 'young buck' or is it something more personal. It certainly does seem to be personal as some of your attacks on her are down right nasty!
I get that you dislike Labour - but why sooooooo much of the personal comments??
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
A cheque for £139.50 is now on the way to the BBC TV Licensing; thanks to the BBC for last night showing Steven Purcell to be the joke politician he is... put him next to other politicians on Newsnight Scotland and you can see he is completely incapable of debating issues at a mature level. As for his thoroughly inadequate 'defence of' daft wee Maggie Curran's disastrous record, pure classic! -- Sydney Meriwether Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country.
Not paying your liscence till you see something you like Cindy?
Bet you download MP3's and films 'on the sly' too to eat with your out of date food you've raided fae supermarket bins.
Cretin.
Oh by the way folks -
vote SNP!! . Mason, IMO certainly seems to be the right choice. Labour really are
past there sell by date (just like Cindy's bin raided dinner).
Makes me wonder why Cindy hates them so much though... Did Maggie Curran knock you back when you were a 'young buck' or is it something more personal. It certainly does seem to be personal as some of your attacks on her are down right nasty!
I get that you dislike Labour - but why sooooooo much of the personal comments??
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 1:14pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Im afraid that wont happen,the my "old granny voted labour all her life",attitude is deeply installed in the psyche of working and non -working labour voters.Even if their auld granny died without two halfpennies to rub together they would still put an X For the same policies,same old tripe,same old labour.[/quote]
[italic]The above was written on the East End Postings yesterday[/italic]
It sounds to me like a situation whereby if it was Robert Mugabe standing for election, people would vote him in if he respresented Labour.
Ironically, the vast swathes of fields and wasted communities are a sign that major chunks of Glasgow East almost on a par with Zimbabwe itself - Labour Loyalty eh???
Crazy!
[/quote] Did you notice also that Purcell wrongly claimed again that HMIE had awarded the status of "Excellent" to FIVE schools in Glasgow East?
Absolute nonsense, of course, [bold]HMIE DOES NOT rate schools as "Excellent" or otherwise[/bold], they simply rate individual, very narrow administrative aspects of a school's performance.
Purcell also neglected to mention that Glasgow City Council schools are the [bold]worst performing in the country[/bold] in terms of exam achievement - and in Lochend Community High School - Glasgow East has one of the worst performing schools in the whole of the United Kingdom!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country.[/italic]
The Missing City wrote:
Im afraid that wont happen,the my "old granny voted labour all her life",attitude is deeply installed in the psyche of working and non -working labour voters.Even if their auld granny died without two halfpennies to rub together they would still put an X For the same policies,same old tripe,same old labour.
The above was written on the East End Postings yesterday
It sounds to me like a situation whereby if it was Robert Mugabe standing for election, people would vote him in if he respresented Labour.
Ironically, the vast swathes of fields and wasted communities are a sign that major chunks of Glasgow East almost on a par with Zimbabwe itself - Labour Loyalty eh???
Crazy!
Did you notice also that Purcell wrongly claimed again that HMIE had awarded the status of "Excellent" to FIVE schools in Glasgow East?
Absolute nonsense, of course,
HMIE DOES NOT rate schools as "Excellent" or otherwise, they simply rate individual, very narrow administrative aspects of a school's performance.
Purcell also neglected to mention that Glasgow City Council schools are the
worst performing in the country in terms of exam achievement - and in Lochend Community High School - Glasgow East has one of the worst performing schools in the whole of the United Kingdom!
--
Sydney Meriwether
Glasgow's schools: consistently delivering the worst education standards in the country. Posted by: butterfly-y, perth on 1:34pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Surely no-one will be voting for the curran(t) bun? No need for personal attacks a la Liebour party - the shameful way the Liebour party has used and neglected Scotland's interests over the last 50 years should be enough for anyone to realise that the SNP are the ONLY party that can be relied on to look after the Scots and Scotland.
Surely no-one will be voting for the curran(t) bun? No need for personal attacks a la Liebour party - the shameful way the Liebour party has used and neglected Scotland's interests over the last 50 years should be enough for anyone to realise that the SNP are the ONLY party that can be relied on to look after the Scots and Scotland.
Posted by: Alessandro, Airdrie on 1:34pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote]I believe I have run a positive campaign that has chimed with the real concerns of East Enders.
"Today, however, every voter faces a clear choice between a fighter and a message boy for Alex Salmond."[/quote]
That doesn't sound terribly positive.
I believe I have run a positive campaign that has chimed with the real concerns of East Enders.
"Today, however, every voter faces a clear choice between a fighter and a message boy for Alex Salmond."
That doesn't sound terribly positive.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 1:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08
a vote for labour is a vote for sleaze and corruption,and do not let margret curran kiss your bairns,doctors in the east end are overwhelmed with traumatised kids who have been up all night traumatised by having nightmares of that babbling women,the rspcc must take action against her
a vote for labour is a vote for sleaze and corruption,and do not let margret curran kiss your bairns,doctors in the east end are overwhelmed with traumatised kids who have been up all night traumatised by having nightmares of that babbling women,the rspcc must take action against her
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:56pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alessandro[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I believe I have run a positive campaign that has chimed with the real concerns of East Enders. "Today, however, every voter faces a clear choice between a fighter and a message boy for Alex Salmond."[/quote] That doesn't sound terribly positive.[/quote] Especially as she is not doing any messages for her leader as she has no leader, at least in the Scottish Parliament and very soon, Broon will follow through much like the excretia that's running down his legs as we speak.
Ha Ha
Alessandro wrote:
I believe I have run a positive campaign that has chimed with the real concerns of East Enders. "Today, however, every voter faces a clear choice between a fighter and a message boy for Alex Salmond."
That doesn't sound terribly positive.
Especially as she is not doing any messages for her leader as she has no leader, at least in the Scottish Parliament and very soon, Broon will follow through much like the excretia that's running down his legs as we speak.
Ha Ha
Posted by: torrybear, falkirk on 2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Just back from Glasgow East, very little Labour Workers going about,and those that are look totaly lost.Must be brought up from England.
Just back from Glasgow East, very little Labour Workers going about,and those that are look totaly lost.Must be brought up from England.
Posted by: Johnboy, Glasgow on 2:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Well that's funny because I just cast my vote in Garthamlock and there were 4 Labour activists and no SNP to be seen anywhere. Around the constituency I've noticed hardly any SNP presence at all in the past month. Yet my door was knocked three times by Labour! Can it be this article is a little biased and somewhat lax with the whole truth?
Well that's funny because I just cast my vote in Garthamlock and there were 4 Labour activists and no SNP to be seen anywhere. Around the constituency I've noticed hardly any SNP presence at all in the past month. Yet my door was knocked three times by Labour! Can it be this article is a little biased and somewhat lax with the whole truth?
Posted by: Johnboy, Glasgow on 3:01pm Thu 24 Jul 08
I am particularly concerned that this article is headed up with a photo of the SNP's Mason and no photographs of any of the other candidates. What on earth has happened to the objective and fair editorial of the Evening Times?
I am particularly concerned that this article is headed up with a photo of the SNP's Mason and no photographs of any of the other candidates. What on earth has happened to the objective and fair editorial of the Evening Times?
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 3:25pm Thu 24 Jul 08
It's not only the comments that are biased but the article too.
As for the insulting comments that dominate this board, I'll bet the perps would not be so brave face to face. Easy to hide behind your nom de plume and throw insults from your armchair. It's the behaviour of cowards and should be seen as such.
I'm not happy with the lack of progress in the East End but my support is with Labour as the alternaive is far too worrying. Independance equals nationalism and nationalists have a tendency to breed racism and factionalism as has been evident here.
Sitting back now and waiting for the backlash and for my point to be proven.
Ho hum...
It's not only the comments that are biased but the article too.
As for the insulting comments that dominate this board, I'll bet the perps would not be so brave face to face. Easy to hide behind your nom de plume and throw insults from your armchair. It's the behaviour of cowards and should be seen as such.
I'm not happy with the lack of progress in the East End but my support is with Labour as the alternaive is far too worrying. Independance equals nationalism and nationalists have a tendency to breed racism and factionalism as has been evident here.
Sitting back now and waiting for the backlash and for my point to be proven.
Ho hum...
Posted by: mackenzie on 3:26pm Thu 24 Jul 08
One more gain by the SNP will not make a big difference to Glasgow.
Labour losing their seat, on the other hand, leading to Gordon Brown's replacement with a Blairite stooge, well, that will make a big difference... and a difference that the Glaswegians may soon regret.
One more gain by the SNP will not make a big difference to Glasgow.
Labour losing their seat, on the other hand, leading to Gordon Brown's replacement with a Blairite stooge, well, that will make a big difference... and a difference that the Glaswegians may soon regret.
Posted by: ron Oliver, edinburgh on 3:51pm Thu 24 Jul 08
it is a very true saying that you get the government you deserve. everyone who has a vote should get out and cast it or spoil it if they want to make a point along the lines of "none of the above". i do not care what party people vote for but apathy does matter and if you do not vote then you have no basis for complaining. if you do vote and your choice does not get in that's democracy so live with it. join a party you can support and work to get the candidate elected. and i still would like to know why we have not seen any sign of Wendy and her team, or Jack McC and his supporters.
it is a very true saying that you get the government you deserve. everyone who has a vote should get out and cast it or spoil it if they want to make a point along the lines of "none of the above". i do not care what party people vote for but apathy does matter and if you do not vote then you have no basis for complaining. if you do vote and your choice does not get in that's democracy so live with it. join a party you can support and work to get the candidate elected. and i still would like to know why we have not seen any sign of Wendy and her team, or Jack McC and his supporters.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 3:58pm Thu 24 Jul 08
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 4:00pm Thu 24 Jul 08
"Oh would some power the giftie gie us, tae see ourselves as others see us, it would from mony a blunder free us and mony a stupid notion"
Rabbie ma man, if ye could come tae the East End and see the blunderers wae their stupid notions runnin' aroond this constituency canvassing for votes, it would fare mak ye sick. They'll all disappear tomorrow never tae be seen tae the next election...and the constituency, well, bugger those voting punters for a game o' soldiers; they'll get whit they deserve fae the politicions of all iks...bugger all.
Make sure ye register yer vote now folks, even though it'll be meaningless!
"Oh would some power the giftie gie us, tae see ourselves as others see us, it would from mony a blunder free us and mony a stupid notion"
Rabbie ma man, if ye could come tae the East End and see the blunderers wae their stupid notions runnin' aroond this constituency canvassing for votes, it would fare mak ye sick. They'll all disappear tomorrow never tae be seen tae the next election...and the constituency, well, bugger those voting punters for a game o' soldiers; they'll get whit they deserve fae the politicions of all iks...bugger all.
Make sure ye register yer vote now folks, even though it'll be meaningless!
Posted by: bigdogg, Glasgow on 4:18pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Eh?[/bold] wrote:
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe[/quote] We could argue about politics if we knew what Maggie (southside) Curran(t) buns policies were.
She consistantly spouts crap from her melted welly face, and to be honest she deserves to be attacked (physically and) personally. She is vile, rude and lies consistantly. Why should she not be "attacked".
Why should the sleaze from David Marshall not be discussed. A leader in charge on 66k salary claiming over 500k expenses over 5 years for his "staff" - i.e. his wife.
This moron should be arrested and exposed for what he has done.
John Mason seems the only guy who is decent and he is the only one who lives in the east end. A guy that can spend 3 years doing aid work in nepal is a guy with a heart.
I know where my vote is going!
SNP
Eh? wrote:
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
We could argue about politics if we knew what Maggie (southside) Curran(t) buns policies were.
She consistantly spouts crap from her melted welly face, and to be honest she deserves to be attacked (physically and) personally. She is vile, rude and lies consistantly. Why should she not be "attacked".
Why should the sleaze from David Marshall not be discussed. A leader in charge on 66k salary claiming over 500k expenses over 5 years for his "staff" - i.e. his wife.
This moron should be arrested and exposed for what he has done.
John Mason seems the only guy who is decent and he is the only one who lives in the east end. A guy that can spend 3 years doing aid work in nepal is a guy with a heart.
I know where my vote is going!
SNP
Posted by: nobby garside, glasgow on 4:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
ALEX SALMOND QUOTE . WE ARE NOT AN ORDINARY PLOITICAL PARTY .OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO BREAK THE POWER OF THE STATE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OVER THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE THAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE .. THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..ALEX SALMOND SAY'S THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..
ALEX SALMOND QUOTE . WE ARE NOT AN ORDINARY PLOITICAL PARTY .OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO BREAK THE POWER OF THE STATE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OVER THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE THAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE .. THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..ALEX SALMOND SAY'S THE S.N.P IS NOT AN ORDINARY POLITICAL PARTY ..
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 4:32pm Thu 24 Jul 08
LOL Bigdogg a beautiful rendition of a foul mouthed gutter political foot soldier with no real grasp of an ideology or political belief. Thankyou very much for illustrating my point beautifully. Very much appreciated. Incidentally do you by chance own a brown shirt?
LOL Bigdogg a beautiful rendition of a foul mouthed gutter political foot soldier with no real grasp of an ideology or political belief. Thankyou very much for illustrating my point beautifully. Very much appreciated. Incidentally do you by chance own a brown shirt?
Posted by: Frances on 4:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Eh? at 3.58pm -
It may have conveniently escaped your notice, but there have also have been a rather a lot of highly personalised attacks on the SNP candidate - the difference is that they've come as much from the Labour candidate herself as from the Labour cyber-trolls. You only need to look at the above article for evidence of that, ie. the "do you want a fighter or a message-boy" jibe - is that the standard of debate we can now expect from the New Labour Party? The SNP's John Mason, by contrast, has been unfailingly courteous and a complete gentleman throughout this campaign.
By the way, the trouble with Curran styling herself a 'fighter' is that the only people she actually seems interested in fighting with are journalists and the general public. Where's the slightest evidence she would stand up to the one person she needs to stand up to - Gordon Brown? In spite of all her garbled bluster, it became painfully obvious from the debates that she wouldn't stand up to him over the issue of airgun sales. Or over the abolition of th 10p tax rate. Or over the human embryology bill. Or over anything at all really. Curran will squawk, squawk, squawk, and then do exactly as she's told by the Labour whips.
John Mason, by contrast, has made it crystal clear he will vote for the banning of air weapons, that he will vote against the embryology bill, and that he opposes the abolition of the 10p tax rate. The definition of a true 'fighter' starts with someone who actually knows his own mind.
Eh? at 3.58pm -
It may have conveniently escaped your notice, but there have also have been a rather a lot of highly personalised attacks on the SNP candidate - the difference is that they've come as much from the Labour candidate herself as from the Labour cyber-trolls. You only need to look at the above article for evidence of that, ie. the "do you want a fighter or a message-boy" jibe - is that the standard of debate we can now expect from the New Labour Party? The SNP's John Mason, by contrast, has been unfailingly courteous and a complete gentleman throughout this campaign.
By the way, the trouble with Curran styling herself a 'fighter' is that the only people she actually seems interested in fighting with are journalists and the general public. Where's the slightest evidence she would stand up to the one person she needs to stand up to - Gordon Brown? In spite of all her garbled bluster, it became painfully obvious from the debates that she wouldn't stand up to him over the issue of airgun sales. Or over the abolition of th 10p tax rate. Or over the human embryology bill. Or over anything at all really. Curran will squawk, squawk, squawk, and then do exactly as she's told by the Labour whips.
John Mason, by contrast, has made it crystal clear he will vote for the banning of air weapons, that he will vote against the embryology bill, and that he opposes the abolition of the 10p tax rate. The definition of a true 'fighter' starts with someone who actually knows his own mind.
Posted by: haud me back, glasgow on 4:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Johnboy 3:01 : it's balancing out the biased reporting from the BBC, too many solo shots of the Labour troughster to be!
Johnboy 3:01 : it's balancing out the biased reporting from the BBC, too many solo shots of the Labour troughster to be!
Posted by: broxibear51, alexandria,scotland on 4:42pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Anybody voting labour will deserve everything they get, which will be nothing. They have to give the SNP a chance, you can't say they won't do anything if you don't give the guy a chance. A vote for labour is a vote for them to keep doing what they have done for the last 50 years and that is nothing.
Anybody voting labour will deserve everything they get, which will be nothing. They have to give the SNP a chance, you can't say they won't do anything if you don't give the guy a chance. A vote for labour is a vote for them to keep doing what they have done for the last 50 years and that is nothing.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 4:46pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Eh?[/bold] wrote:
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe[/quote] Tee-hee... I hope I'm included in your "usual suspects".
Eh? moaned:
[quote]Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe[/quote]
So the wars in the Balkans didn't happen then dafty?
Wit aboot wee daft Maggie's vile rant last night that she would like to "wipe the smile off Alex Salmond's face"?
See Eh? New Labour can dish it oot, but they cannae take it... get it right up youse all!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]Going stir crazy in a dark polling booth in downtown Shettleston[/italic]
Eh? wrote:
I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
Tee-hee... I hope I'm included in your "usual suspects".
Eh? moaned:
Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
So the wars in the Balkans didn't happen then dafty?
Wit aboot wee daft Maggie's vile rant last night that she would like to "wipe the smile off Alex Salmond's face"?
See Eh? New Labour can dish it oot, but they cannae take it... get it right up youse all!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
Going stir crazy in a dark polling booth in downtown Shettleston Posted by: mackenzie on 4:55pm Thu 24 Jul 08
No matter who is your MP, what affects us most and foremost is the kind of prime minister that we have in power.
You may not like Labour, but the consequences of not voting for them on this occasion could be dire for all of us.
No matter who is your MP, what affects us most and foremost is the kind of prime minister that we have in power.
You may not like Labour, but the consequences of not voting for them on this occasion could be dire for all of us.
Posted by: weenyaff, glasgow on 4:56pm Thu 24 Jul 08
I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today.
The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well.
I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum.
Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ?
As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic.
So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had.
Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit.
Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed.
SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits.
If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it.
I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today.
The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well.
I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum.
Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ?
As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic.
So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had.
Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit.
Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed.
SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits.
If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 4:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08
When did I claim Labour did not hand it out? However the majority of posters who I explicitly mentioned at the start of my post tend to be backing SNP and resort to pathetic personal attacks which lack substance or merit and seem to be more troll like than intellectually considered. Now, Syd, your mention of the Balkans, well done in your observation of European conflict since WW2. However having missed the point and purpose of my post please accept a D minus mark on a quite insipid rebuke and a sadly deficient ability to construct an argument without dousing it in vitriolic personal attacks on candidates.
regards.
When did I claim Labour did not hand it out? However the majority of posters who I explicitly mentioned at the start of my post tend to be backing SNP and resort to pathetic personal attacks which lack substance or merit and seem to be more troll like than intellectually considered. Now, Syd, your mention of the Balkans, well done in your observation of European conflict since WW2. However having missed the point and purpose of my post please accept a D minus mark on a quite insipid rebuke and a sadly deficient ability to construct an argument without dousing it in vitriolic personal attacks on candidates.
regards.
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnioch Greater Glasgow on 4:57pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Had a tour round the constituency this morning. Took the train to Mount Vernon and then walked to Garrowhill--a very nice part of the constituency. Took the bus to Shettleston, a wander around and then back into town. What struck me was the complete lack of posters in house windows. Labour supporters are usually more likely to put up posters than the other party supporters so I hope this lack of posters is a bad omen for the Labour campaign.
Had a tour round the constituency this morning. Took the train to Mount Vernon and then walked to Garrowhill--a very nice part of the constituency. Took the bus to Shettleston, a wander around and then back into town. What struck me was the complete lack of posters in house windows. Labour supporters are usually more likely to put up posters than the other party supporters so I hope this lack of posters is a bad omen for the Labour campaign.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 4:58pm Thu 24 Jul 08
weenyaff... At last some class posting. Cheers
Sydney...please take note
weenyaff... At last some class posting. Cheers
Sydney...please take note
Posted by: Frances on 4:59pm Thu 24 Jul 08
On the subject of who's going to be wiping the smile off who's face, this is not really a fair contest, is it? After all, somebody has clearly already wiped the smile off Ms Curran's face, and they did it a long, long time ago.
Vote SNP - vote smiles (what's wrong with optimism?)
Vote Laour - vote misery. Sustained misery.
On the subject of who's going to be wiping the smile off who's face, this is not really a fair contest, is it? After all, somebody has clearly already wiped the smile off Ms Curran's face, and they did it a long, long time ago.
Vote SNP - vote smiles (what's wrong with optimism?)
Vote Laour - vote misery. Sustained misery.
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 5:16pm Thu 24 Jul 08
TRADERS URGE VOTERS TO REJECT LABOUR IN GLASGOW EAST AFTER DODGY LAND DEAL UNCOVERED
Paddy's Market Traders have expressed outrage as a Freedom of Information Act request has uncovered firm evidence that leading Labour councillors have misled the council and the public over a lucrative land deal. Traders, most of who live in the Glasgow East constituency are urging voters not to back Labour in the Glasgow East by election.
Councillor George Ryan who was originally tipped be Labour's candidate in the Glasgow East by election until he failed to turn up for the selection meeting earlier this month, was the councillor responsible for presenting a factually incorrect and misleading report regarding the land deal which would see the closure of Glasgow's 150 year old Paddy's Market.
Council minutes as well as emails show that claims by Councillor Ryan in his report that the landowners would be prepared to give the council a much reduced rate, have been revealed to be incorrect. Documents also reveal that leading Labour Councillors were also fully aware of the inaccuracies when the report were presented to Council but failed to have the information corrected.
The report, which Councillor Ryan presented to council, recommended that the council give the go ahead for negotiations commence with the landowners which would see the council to take over the prime development land. However, the documents revealed under FOI show that a number of Labour councillors and officials were already well on the way to closing a deal without any authority to do so.
One trader said:
"I have been a Labour voter all of my life but in view of the underhanded and dishonest way in which Labour have attempted to pull the wool over everyone's eyes; I won't ever be voting Labour again. If they can do this sort of thing to everyday people, the very people they claim to represent, then Labour cannot be trusted at any level of government."
Documentation also shows that eleven Labour councillors, including the Council leader, Steven Purcell, failed to declare possible conflicts of interests at a meeting which decided on whether or not the land deal should be negotiated.
[bold]www.savepaddys.org[/bold]
TRADERS URGE VOTERS TO REJECT LABOUR IN GLASGOW EAST AFTER DODGY LAND DEAL UNCOVERED
Paddy's Market Traders have expressed outrage as a Freedom of Information Act request has uncovered firm evidence that leading Labour councillors have misled the council and the public over a lucrative land deal. Traders, most of who live in the Glasgow East constituency are urging voters not to back Labour in the Glasgow East by election.
Councillor George Ryan who was originally tipped be Labour's candidate in the Glasgow East by election until he failed to turn up for the selection meeting earlier this month, was the councillor responsible for presenting a factually incorrect and misleading report regarding the land deal which would see the closure of Glasgow's 150 year old Paddy's Market.
Council minutes as well as emails show that claims by Councillor Ryan in his report that the landowners would be prepared to give the council a much reduced rate, have been revealed to be incorrect. Documents also reveal that leading Labour Councillors were also fully aware of the inaccuracies when the report were presented to Council but failed to have the information corrected.
The report, which Councillor Ryan presented to council, recommended that the council give the go ahead for negotiations commence with the landowners which would see the council to take over the prime development land. However, the documents revealed under FOI show that a number of Labour councillors and officials were already well on the way to closing a deal without any authority to do so.
One trader said:
"I have been a Labour voter all of my life but in view of the underhanded and dishonest way in which Labour have attempted to pull the wool over everyone's eyes; I won't ever be voting Labour again. If they can do this sort of thing to everyday people, the very people they claim to represent, then Labour cannot be trusted at any level of government."
Documentation also shows that eleven Labour councillors, including the Council leader, Steven Purcell, failed to declare possible conflicts of interests at a meeting which decided on whether or not the land deal should be negotiated.
www.savepaddys.org
Posted by: weenyaff, glasgow on 5:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
cee - where is this published?
cee - where is this published?
Posted by: Alexa D, Glasgow, South on 5:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08
I was out at the voting stations today, asking people to consider voting SNP. I got a lot of really great responses and I met a lot of really really lovely people. We were the only party outside Commonhead Primary School. Labour et al didn’t bother to make an appearance. They probably dont even know that voting is taking place today (Labour I mean)…if they do, then they don’t know where Commonhead Primary is or they dont care. SNP were out in force, unlike New Labour, SNP doesn’t take East End votes for granted and they don’t take them for mugs either.
The East End has been badly let down by Labour. It’s a safe seat so they have neglected it because they can. Its not all run down, the people aren’t all poor and i’ve met some really really lovely people there. The thing that annoys me is that people, really poor people, who have been hung out to dry by New Labour will hold their hand up to me and say “I’ll never vote SNP, I’ve been voting Labour since I was 18!”…I feel like grabbing them and saying….”Well, has it done YOU any GOOD?
I was burning today because it was such a beautiful day and I’m a redhead. This lovely woman walked all the way back to her house at the very end of the street and brought me some suncream and a bottle of juice from her fridge. HOW NICE IS THAT? Needless to say she was an SNP voter. Later, a Labour supporter who quite frankly was completely rude to me before he went into the polling station came out and farted right next to us and nearly knocked us all out. If we were in Zimbabwe that would be classed as chemical warfare…
I’ve really really enjoyed helping the SNP campaign. Everyone is very nice and I’ve had a great time. John Mason is a really nice guy and very down to earth. He has been a councillor in the East End for 10 years and actually does live there. He is, to my mind, the only worthy antidote to the Labour neglect of the East End. I predict he will win with a fair majority. As I have said before, New Labour simply do not deserve to win this seat until they start to take the people of the East End of Glasgow seriously, the way they should have been treating them for the past 50 years. In my opinion, it is too late for Labour and John Mason can make a real difference now.
Anyway…. its over now all we can do is wait.
http://www.alannaonl
ine.wordpress.com
I was out at the voting stations today, asking people to consider voting SNP. I got a lot of really great responses and I met a lot of really really lovely people. We were the only party outside Commonhead Primary School. Labour et al didn’t bother to make an appearance. They probably dont even know that voting is taking place today (Labour I mean)…if they do, then they don’t know where Commonhead Primary is or they dont care. SNP were out in force, unlike New Labour, SNP doesn’t take East End votes for granted and they don’t take them for mugs either.
The East End has been badly let down by Labour. It’s a safe seat so they have neglected it because they can. Its not all run down, the people aren’t all poor and i’ve met some really really lovely people there. The thing that annoys me is that people, really poor people, who have been hung out to dry by New Labour will hold their hand up to me and say “I’ll never vote SNP, I’ve been voting Labour since I was 18!”…I feel like grabbing them and saying….”Well, has it done YOU any GOOD?
I was burning today because it was such a beautiful day and I’m a redhead. This lovely woman walked all the way back to her house at the very end of the street and brought me some suncream and a bottle of juice from her fridge. HOW NICE IS THAT? Needless to say she was an SNP voter. Later, a Labour supporter who quite frankly was completely rude to me before he went into the polling station came out and farted right next to us and nearly knocked us all out. If we were in Zimbabwe that would be classed as chemical warfare…
I’ve really really enjoyed helping the SNP campaign. Everyone is very nice and I’ve had a great time. John Mason is a really nice guy and very down to earth. He has been a councillor in the East End for 10 years and actually does live there. He is, to my mind, the only worthy antidote to the Labour neglect of the East End. I predict he will win with a fair majority. As I have said before, New Labour simply do not deserve to win this seat until they start to take the people of the East End of Glasgow seriously, the way they should have been treating them for the past 50 years. In my opinion, it is too late for Labour and John Mason can make a real difference now.
Anyway…. its over now all we can do is wait.
http://www.alannaonl
ine.wordpress.com
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 5:51pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Hate to pee on you SNP folks parade, but ever think that this pro-Labour paper is making out the race to be closer than it actually is, so that if Labour win by a small majority it will be seen as a better result than it actually is?
Hate to pee on you SNP folks parade, but ever think that this pro-Labour paper is making out the race to be closer than it actually is, so that if Labour win by a small majority it will be seen as a better result than it actually is?
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 6:35pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Did the council dux show a face on the tellie, must have been 3d, what face was on show? Never met a human more tory in presence than this Labour council dux. Their attitude alone to those, many on social benefits from external sources of pressure, is a disgrace to the Trade Union Congress that incorported the Labour party that is lost to the academic sewer of university thinkers. And ever university akin thinks 10 years behind the times.
Did the council dux show a face on the tellie, must have been 3d, what face was on show? Never met a human more tory in presence than this Labour council dux. Their attitude alone to those, many on social benefits from external sources of pressure, is a disgrace to the Trade Union Congress that incorported the Labour party that is lost to the academic sewer of university thinkers. And ever university akin thinks 10 years behind the times.
Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 6:50pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Eh?[/bold] wrote: I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe[/quote] Tee-hee... I hope I'm included in your "usual suspects". Eh? moaned: [quote]Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe[/quote] So the wars in the Balkans didn't happen then dafty? Wit aboot wee daft Maggie's vile rant last night that she would like to "wipe the smile off Alex Salmond's face"? See Eh? New Labour can dish it oot, but they cannae take it... get it right up youse all!!! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]Going stir crazy in a dark polling booth in downtown Shettleston[/italic] [/quote] Sydney, you are included in all "usual supect" lists. Tee-hee....
How "inconsequential" did you say this election was earlier on in the week?
Let's see if the SNP leadership agree with you if they win tonight!
I would find it very surprising if you were not skulking about in dark places, polling booths included, downtown anywhere!
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Eh? wrote: I love the way the majority of the posters (usually the usual suspects) argue about politics at a personal attack level as opposed to actual policy/ideological differences. You rant about sleaze and corruption yet offer no meaningful analytical debate which avoids slumping into tired personal attacks. I'm no fan or voter of Labour but the posters attacking the Labour candidate seem to be sexist, insulting, personal vitriolic attacks. if this is the standard of SNP supporter debate then god help Scotland. Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
Tee-hee... I hope I'm included in your "usual suspects". Eh? moaned: Some of teh vitriol verges on the worst excesses of nationalistic fervour last seen in 1930s Europe
So the wars in the Balkans didn't happen then dafty? Wit aboot wee daft Maggie's vile rant last night that she would like to "wipe the smile off Alex Salmond's face"? See Eh? New Labour can dish it oot, but they cannae take it... get it right up youse all!!! -- Sydney Meriwether Going stir crazy in a dark polling booth in downtown Shettleston
Sydney, you are included in all "usual supect" lists. Tee-hee....
How "inconsequential" did you say this election was earlier on in the week?
Let's see if the SNP leadership agree with you if they win tonight!
I would find it very surprising if you were not skulking about in dark places, polling booths included, downtown anywhere!
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Curran was a disgrace as usual ,when asked the question on Marshall she went into banshee screeching mad wummin mode.Not nice to watch hen, but expected as thats all she is good for.
That wee useless creep Purcell spewed "a vote for the SNP is a Tory vote.This idiot Purcell
is not fit for purpose,his party are as tory as the tory,s.He followed magrats script and refused to answer direct questions and puked at how wonderfull the mad wummin curran is.
Pathetic stuff from the party of sleaze and corruption.
Vote SNP you know it makes sense.
Curran was a disgrace as usual ,when asked the question on Marshall she went into banshee screeching mad wummin mode.Not nice to watch hen, but expected as thats all she is good for.
That wee useless creep Purcell spewed "a vote for the SNP is a Tory vote.This idiot Purcell
is not fit for purpose,his party are as tory as the tory,s.He followed magrats script and refused to answer direct questions and puked at how wonderfull the mad wummin curran is.
Pathetic stuff from the party of sleaze and corruption.
Vote SNP you know it makes sense.
Posted by: torrybear, falkirk on 7:20pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Johnboy[/bold] wrote:
Well that's funny because I just cast my vote in Garthamlock and there were 4 Labour activists and no SNP to be seen anywhere. Around the constituency I've noticed hardly any SNP presence at all in the past month. Yet my door was knocked three times by Labour! Can it be this article is a little biased and somewhat lax with the whole truth?[/quote] You are a liar or blind ,but as you support the Liar Curran it is easy to guess which one you are.[bold]bold[/bold]
Johnboy wrote:
Well that's funny because I just cast my vote in Garthamlock and there were 4 Labour activists and no SNP to be seen anywhere. Around the constituency I've noticed hardly any SNP presence at all in the past month. Yet my door was knocked three times by Labour! Can it be this article is a little biased and somewhat lax with the whole truth?
You are a liar or blind ,but as you support the Liar Curran it is easy to guess which one you are.
Posted by: nobby garside, glasgow on 7:35pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]weenyaff[/bold] wrote:
I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today. The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well. I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum. Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ? As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic. So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had. Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit. Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed. SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits. If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it. [/quote] yes the s.n.p is a lovely cuddly party of the old shortbread tin 1950's scotland hah! . we all know in reality its a vile party of the ultra hard left . i realise it's hard to get a straight answer from a politician so maybe you can answer . is it true that s.n.p m.s.p campbell martin said the union flag was a butchers apron ? .. is it true all the voters who ditched the extreme left parties in 2007 namely solidarity/s.s.p gave there votes to nearest hard left thing available {ie} the s.n.p ? anyway do they really think bringing some bit part actor like cosmo & cringe worthy smith to swagger the streets will make the voters sway i doubt it . the socialist nationalist republic of left wing early release scotland will alway's vote same way .simple two questions. what type of political has an excuse & empathie with the thug & the criminal rather than the victim ? what country votes on mass for this type of political thinking ?
weenyaff wrote:
I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today. The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well. I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum. Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ? As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic. So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had. Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit. Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed. SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits. If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it.
yes the s.n.p is a lovely cuddly party of the old shortbread tin 1950's scotland hah! . we all know in reality its a vile party of the ultra hard left . i realise it's hard to get a straight answer from a politician so maybe you can answer . is it true that s.n.p m.s.p campbell martin said the union flag was a butchers apron ? .. is it true all the voters who ditched the extreme left parties in 2007 namely solidarity/s.s.p gave there votes to nearest hard left thing available {ie} the s.n.p ? anyway do they really think bringing some bit part actor like cosmo & cringe worthy smith to swagger the streets will make the voters sway i doubt it . the socialist nationalist republic of left wing early release scotland will alway's vote same way .simple two questions. what type of political has an excuse & empathie with the thug & the criminal rather than the victim ? what country votes on mass for this type of political thinking ?
Posted by: naylabour, glasgow on 7:58pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]nobby garside[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]weenyaff[/bold] wrote: I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today. The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well. I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum. Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ? As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic. So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had. Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit. Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed. SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits. If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it. [/quote] yes the s.n.p is a lovely cuddly party of the old shortbread tin 1950's scotland hah! . we all know in reality its a vile party of the ultra hard left . i realise it's hard to get a straight answer from a politician so maybe you can answer . is it true that s.n.p m.s.p campbell martin said the union flag was a butchers apron ? .. is it true all the voters who ditched the extreme left parties in 2007 namely solidarity/s.s.p gave there votes to nearest hard left thing available {ie} the s.n.p ? anyway do they really think bringing some bit part actor like cosmo & cringe worthy smith to swagger the streets will make the voters sway i doubt it . the socialist nationalist republic of left wing early release scotland will alway's vote same way .simple two questions. what type of political has an excuse & empathie with the thug & the criminal rather than the victim ? what country votes on mass for this type of political thinking ? [/quote] your obviously proud of the fact that new labour are right wing party....good for you....we all know that......and will vote accordingly!
nobby garside wrote:
weenyaff wrote: I’ve been a bit critical of uber-nats i.e. the ones who just can't believe why people are so stupid as to vote for other parties and are too blind to see the blimin obvious re the milk and honey of an independent Scotland. Many of you have backed yourselves into a bit of a corner with comments regarding the outcome – almost like you are trying to convince yourselves of the inevitability of a Mason win today. The chances of an SNP win happening were – and still are an outside bet. If they come within 2000 votes of M Curran – particularly in this constituency which is almost definitively Scottish Labour – as opposed to the middle England seats that dropped their drawers for Blair and will pull them back up and run to Cameron next time – then they will have done remarkably well. I’m not at all convinced by the more fanciful accusations of institutional bias from the media. Of course some of them have an editorial slant and this is played out. Would anyone have been particularly surprised to see a front pager in the Record showing someone with MS that will maybe not be cured because of John Mason’s stance on embryo-research – or some other particularly loaded story ? ( I apologise if that’s in bad taste – I have a pal who has MS but I still respect Mason’s stance ). Actually the election coverage is on P8. I think the TV coverage has actually highlighted the lack of talent in our home-grown current affairs departments based in Govan. STV did their usual cringe worthy effort that betrayed a total lack of planning and self-awareness. The Beeb effort wasn’t much better. I don’t think they were particularly biased – I just thought they were rubbish. The Beeb’s lack of any continuous political blog was unforgivable – with Brian Taylor being away in Crete they should have brought in guest contributors – and made it more interactive. Why not someone from the parties to answer questions from the public. Its not like they got that much chance in any other public forum. Particularly disappointed in the Herald and the Sunday Herald – both based in Glasgow and both of which have – until relatively recently – been right on the ball in pulling politicos up for not coming up to the mark. Why no real mention of Marshall until the last few days. Why no mention of the lack of a Scottish party infrastructure which has forced labour into bussing hundreds of activists from all over the country. Why was it up to the London Times to highlight the shambolic nature of the labour campaign? What about the paddy’s market investigation ? Is there definitely one ? As much as Labour’s campaign has been accident prone and rather rubbish to be honest – they have reverted back to type ... i'm afraid that the cyber-labs and indeed the labour party at large are using ( and have done for a number of years ) completely despicable references that equate Scottish Nationalism to Nazism or Balkan nationalism or some of the worst of the racist behaviour in other countries. Who’s the labour Mp for East Lothian – the one that apparently got beaten up whilst out jogging – comparing Salmond to Hitler – what tripe. I’ve personally known many Scot-Nats over the years and I’ve yet to hear one that made me think that if I vote for them then we’ll be up to our knees in rivers of blood. Actually the people that make me think that tend to be the likes of Enoch Powell, British Nationalists ( is that unacceptable nationalism Cyber-Labs ? ) , Loyalists in Scotland and Northern Ireland … It’s a completely unreasoned and ridiculous comparison which belongs in the gutter. And yet its dragged out and displayed whenever the natives are there to be frightened. Pathetic. So Labour do not deserve to win this election. Not only for the way they’ve fought it – but also their record in power over many many years. M Curran will not make the slightest bit of difference despite her protestations. If she wins then I hope she proves me wrong as the good people of the East End deserve a bit better than they’ve had. Who does deserve to win ? I think the Tories have fought a decent fight. They’ve certainly been reborn here due to the Scottish Parliament – how ironic. I don’t think that Davina Rankine comes across that well on the telly sometimes – but you can see her passion and they’ve stuck to a simple message for the most part. They will still be lucky to save their deposit. Lib Dems – Robertson will not disappear after this. He’s come across well and he’s been squeezed by the “Big Two”. You can tell they just don’t have the structure on the ground though. They will also be squeezed. SNP. The effort has gone in. The SNP do by-elections particularly well in terms of numbers and organisation. I think they have made mistakes in not pursuing Mrs Curran about Marshall and their record in government. They were shooting at an open goal in some respects – but I do think the candidate choice – although I can see why it was made – was the wrong one. A Sillars / McDonald – if one now exists in the SNP would by now been booking their flight to London to be sworn in after the holidays. The SNP thrive on personality and someone to promote. It’s a vision thing after all . The SNP – and you cyber-nats – need to realise that they need to sell the thing to us. I’m not a labour lacky. I’m a very proud Scot and would consider that I’m Scottish first and foremost. I also appreciate what ties us together with the English , the Welsh and the Irish … and the Spanish, Danish, Icelanders etc etc etc. The prospect of an independent Scotland doesn’t frighten me – I just need to be convinced of the merits. If I had a vote today – it would probably go to Mr Mason or maybe Mr Robertson … or maybe the wee greens woman. I would have expected it to be argued for and treasured. All things being equal – I hope that Mr Mason wins. I think that it would send the right signal to a detached government. Whoever wins – needs not to take that as a mandate for their particular policies – but as a signal that they need to deliver real change for the electorate. Lets hope that they get it.
yes the s.n.p is a lovely cuddly party of the old shortbread tin 1950's scotland hah! . we all know in reality its a vile party of the ultra hard left . i realise it's hard to get a straight answer from a politician so maybe you can answer . is it true that s.n.p m.s.p campbell martin said the union flag was a butchers apron ? .. is it true all the voters who ditched the extreme left parties in 2007 namely solidarity/s.s.p gave there votes to nearest hard left thing available {ie} the s.n.p ? anyway do they really think bringing some bit part actor like cosmo & cringe worthy smith to swagger the streets will make the voters sway i doubt it . the socialist nationalist republic of left wing early release scotland will alway's vote same way .simple two questions. what type of political has an excuse & empathie with the thug & the criminal rather than the victim ? what country votes on mass for this type of political thinking ?
your obviously proud of the fact that new labour are right wing party....good for you....we all know that......and will vote accordingly!
Posted by: azg on 8:47pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]alexparade[/bold] wrote:
Hate to pee on you SNP folks parade, but ever think that this pro-Labour paper is making out the race to be closer than it actually is, so that if Labour win by a small majority it will be seen as a better result than it actually is?
[/quote] Yes, of course they will. Remember La Curran mentioning "fightback starts here"? "Fightback"? Oh, really? Oh the poor underdog - yes, a convenient impression to try to give out.
The "Labour" party in Scotland holding onto Glasgow East by a MUCH reduced majority will end up being hailed as a great victory and a vote of confidence. That "Labour" had to treat its third safest seat in Scotland as a marginal will somehow be glossed over. But time will tell.
alexparade wrote:
Hate to pee on you SNP folks parade, but ever think that this pro-Labour paper is making out the race to be closer than it actually is, so that if Labour win by a small majority it will be seen as a better result than it actually is?
Yes, of course they will. Remember La Curran mentioning "fightback starts here"? "Fightback"? Oh, really? Oh the poor underdog - yes, a convenient impression to try to give out.
The "Labour" party in Scotland holding onto Glasgow East by a MUCH reduced majority will end up being hailed as a great victory and a vote of confidence. That "Labour" had to treat its third safest seat in Scotland as a marginal will somehow be glossed over. But time will tell.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:30pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Whatever way you look at it whoever wins, even dare I say SNP..... the coming days boastings, and excuses will be overkill for some!
Never mind all the talking bullsh*t and pi*h.
THe boasting, lies, corruption, sleaze etc etc.
Lets just knuckle on down to the job.
Those in the constituency also have the responsibility to ensure their MP does their job, and represents their views, and concerns.
It's not just a case of leave it all down to them.
Us ordinary folk need to get up off our bu**s and start attending MP surgeries. Give them stick, badger them, and force them to work for their disgusting overpayed salary.
The public level of apathy between elections cannot be seen to continue. People must be far more pro-active and fight for what they believe in.
Schools, hospitals, minimum wages, whatever their cause - without a real united front, and strength in numbers how else are we meant to show these politicians who calls the shots ?
We vote them in, we can just as easily vote them out. With that held over them, and enough common sense to vote according to what MP's do for us maybe we'll make some headway.
But - otherwise, if folk don't stand up and be counted, what else do they expect.
Apathy does nothing in building up a community, and retaining it's services.
What we need is militancy, fightback, determination, and the belief things can change for the better.
Whatever way you look at it whoever wins, even dare I say SNP..... the coming days boastings, and excuses will be overkill for some!
Never mind all the talking bullsh*t and pi*h.
THe boasting, lies, corruption, sleaze etc etc.
Lets just knuckle on down to the job.
Those in the constituency also have the responsibility to ensure their MP does their job, and represents their views, and concerns.
It's not just a case of leave it all down to them.
Us ordinary folk need to get up off our bu**s and start attending MP surgeries. Give them stick, badger them, and force them to work for their disgusting overpayed salary.
The public level of apathy between elections cannot be seen to continue. People must be far more pro-active and fight for what they believe in.
Schools, hospitals, minimum wages, whatever their cause - without a real united front, and strength in numbers how else are we meant to show these politicians who calls the shots ?
We vote them in, we can just as easily vote them out. With that held over them, and enough common sense to vote according to what MP's do for us maybe we'll make some headway.
But - otherwise, if folk don't stand up and be counted, what else do they expect.
Apathy does nothing in building up a community, and retaining it's services.
What we need is militancy, fightback, determination, and the belief things can change for the better.
Posted by: haud me back, glasgow on 9:38pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.
Posted by: haud me back, glasgow on 9:39pm Thu 24 Jul 08
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:54pm Thu 24 Jul 08
[quote][bold]haud me back[/bold] wrote:
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.[/quote]
The Lib Dems are a non - entity and an irrelevance. They are never going to be a party of power now or in the future.
Their policies are war to laim & weak for them to be able to stand alone, and push them.
Like happens so often the coalitions of some parties are the only option open to them.
If suporters of the Lib Dems don't mind them clutching hold of Labours shirt tails, or dragging behind labour calling all the shots then fine......
But, like Greens, SSP, and Solidarity Lib Dems are as insignificant now as they ever have been.
haud me back wrote:
Saw the Lib Dems on Newsnight last night, as long as they have the muppet Finnie in tow, they will be able to count their votes on two fingers.
The Lib Dems are a non - entity and an irrelevance. They are never going to be a party of power now or in the future.
Their policies are war to laim & weak for them to be able to stand alone, and push them.
Like happens so often the coalitions of some parties are the only option open to them.
If suporters of the Lib Dems don't mind them clutching hold of Labours shirt tails, or dragging behind labour calling all the shots then fine......
But, like Greens, SSP, and Solidarity Lib Dems are as insignificant now as they ever have been.
Posted by: tartan joe, glasgow on 3:28am Fri 25 Jul 08
[bold]Labour have been thumped[/bold] !
and listening to the politics show that went along with the awaited results,what was the reason for the [bold]thumping ![/bold] why it was the world economic crisis and the cost of fuel,heating etc, there was nothing mentioned about labour corruption and sleaze,Immigration,
destruction of christianity with preference being given to Islam !the indigenous workforce being told that they were useless good for nothing lazy tossers and that foreigners had a better work ethic !tax upon tax,and more tax !
political correctness !human rights act (in favour of criminals)no referendum on the EU !
the list is almost endless,but the biggest cause of there downfall! thinking that the entire indigenous popoulation were [bold]fools,these so called [bold]fools[/bold] used the ballot-box to say to them you lot are [bold]out[/bold] enough is enough,we will be classed as fools [bold]no more ![/bold]
Labour have been thumped !
and listening to the politics show that went along with the awaited results,what was the reason for the thumping ! why it was the world economic crisis and the cost of fuel,heating etc, there was nothing mentioned about labour corruption and sleaze,Immigration,
destruction of christianity with preference being given to Islam !the indigenous workforce being told that they were useless good for nothing lazy tossers and that foreigners had a better work ethic !tax upon tax,and more tax !
political correctness !human rights act (in favour of criminals)no referendum on the EU !
the list is almost endless,but the biggest cause of there downfall! thinking that the entire indigenous popoulation were fools,these so called fools used the ballot-box to say to them you lot are out enough is enough,we will be classed as fools no more !
Posted by: tartan joe, glasgow on 4:00am Fri 25 Jul 08
Another thing I forgot to mention in my last posting ! The Smoking Ban ! plus all the other bans they implemented to suit there political agenda, "you reap what you sow" right enough !
"Goodbye Forever! nu labour you will never return, your time in this country (that you have Destroyed !) is now ended !!!
Another thing I forgot to mention in my last posting ! The Smoking Ban ! plus all the other bans they implemented to suit there political agenda, "you reap what you sow" right enough !
"Goodbye Forever! nu labour you will never return, your time in this country (that you have Destroyed !) is now ended !!!
Posted by: Ronnie Cee on 8:55am Fri 25 Jul 08
"The Party's Over" and the fat lady has sang her farewell song to New Labour in the East end of our city.
Tragic to think that politicians who don't listen to their voters whilst they line their own pockets can still say that they 'represent' us.
Farewell wee Maggie, come back when decent housing and 'fair fuel' (home and road) are cogent and when taxation is also 'fair'.
How dare Gordon Brown take away the lowest tax rate and still declare himself a Socialist?
Keep lining your bl**dy pockets and keep losing your most treasured asset...the Labour voter.
Now...away and lick your wounds and really LISTEN hard in future, then ACT on helping the elecorate...you may one day have our respect.
Look around the constituency Maggie...no need top wonder why you lost hen!
"The Party's Over" and the fat lady has sang her farewell song to New Labour in the East end of our city.
Tragic to think that politicians who don't listen to their voters whilst they line their own pockets can still say that they 'represent' us.
Farewell wee Maggie, come back when decent housing and 'fair fuel' (home and road) are cogent and when taxation is also 'fair'.
How dare Gordon Brown take away the lowest tax rate and still declare himself a Socialist?
Keep lining your bl**dy pockets and keep losing your most treasured asset...the Labour voter.
Now...away and lick your wounds and really LISTEN hard in future, then ACT on helping the elecorate...you may one day have our respect.
Look around the constituency Maggie...no need top wonder why you lost hen!
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