Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:36am Mon 28 Jul 08
Govanhill is a lovely old place, with a bit of investment, it could be a place that is equal to the busy West End.
Without it, it could soon become the Hutchesontown of the 1950's.
Most of Glasgow was slaughtered as a direct result of greedy landlords back in the day, sadly, this practice does continue 50 odd years down the line.
If it is allowed to continue, Govanhill could become a wasteland, but somebody out there of non-labour standing could stop this rot and actually bring the place up to an acceptable standard.
By meaning non-labour, it is these people who have contributed to the demise of our city for that length of time, which in turn has produced some catastrophic situations that no one can seem to handle.
Don't let Govanhill become part of this awful Labour legacy.
If its good enough for the bohemian Edinburgh and their residents who live in many fine old properties which make up sound communities, why is it not good enough for us here in Glasgow?
Govanhill is a lovely old place, with a bit of investment, it could be a place that is equal to the busy West End.
Without it, it could soon become the Hutchesontown of the 1950's.
Most of Glasgow was slaughtered as a direct result of greedy landlords back in the day, sadly, this practice does continue 50 odd years down the line.
If it is allowed to continue, Govanhill could become a wasteland, but somebody out there of non-labour standing could stop this rot and actually bring the place up to an acceptable standard.
By meaning non-labour, it is these people who have contributed to the demise of our city for that length of time, which in turn has produced some catastrophic situations that no one can seem to handle.
Don't let Govanhill become part of this awful Labour legacy.
If its good enough for the bohemian Edinburgh and their residents who live in many fine old properties which make up sound communities, why is it not good enough for us here in Glasgow?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:36am Mon 28 Jul 08
Govanhill is a lovely old place, with a bit of investment, it could be a place that is equal to the busy West End.
Without it, it could soon become the Hutchesontown of the 1950's.
Most of Glasgow was slaughtered as a direct result of greedy landlords back in the day, sadly, this practice does continue 50 odd years down the line.
If it is allowed to continue, Govanhill could become a wasteland, but somebody out there of non-labour standing could stop this rot and actually bring the place up to an acceptable standard.
By meaning non-labour, it is these people who have contributed to the demise of our city for that length of time, which in turn has produced some catastrophic situations that no one can seem to handle.
Don't let Govanhill become part of this awful Labour legacy.
If its good enough for the bohemian Edinburgh and their resid4ents who live in many fine old properties which make up sound communities, why is it not good enough for us here in Glasgow?
Govanhill is a lovely old place, with a bit of investment, it could be a place that is equal to the busy West End.
Without it, it could soon become the Hutchesontown of the 1950's.
Most of Glasgow was slaughtered as a direct result of greedy landlords back in the day, sadly, this practice does continue 50 odd years down the line.
If it is allowed to continue, Govanhill could become a wasteland, but somebody out there of non-labour standing could stop this rot and actually bring the place up to an acceptable standard.
By meaning non-labour, it is these people who have contributed to the demise of our city for that length of time, which in turn has produced some catastrophic situations that no one can seem to handle.
Don't let Govanhill become part of this awful Labour legacy.
If its good enough for the bohemian Edinburgh and their resid4ents who live in many fine old properties which make up sound communities, why is it not good enough for us here in Glasgow?
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:57am Mon 28 Jul 08
Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.
Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 12:21pm Mon 28 Jul 08
I hope there is absolutely no suggestion of spending a penny of my taxpayers money on the private property of a slum landlord. Compulsory purchase at 50% of market value , yes- paying for improvements no! Thats just rewarding greed and neglect. Also, arent there empty council properties for rent?
And yes the council has statutory responsibilities in respect of landlords- also they can cut the housing benefit ( free rent) if the proerty is belwo standard thereby undercutting the profitability of negelct. We have the resources and alternatives already to fix this, just a lackof political will.
I hope there is absolutely no suggestion of spending a penny of my taxpayers money on the private property of a slum landlord. Compulsory purchase at 50% of market value , yes- paying for improvements no! Thats just rewarding greed and neglect. Also, arent there empty council properties for rent?
And yes the council has statutory responsibilities in respect of landlords- also they can cut the housing benefit ( free rent) if the proerty is belwo standard thereby undercutting the profitability of negelct. We have the resources and alternatives already to fix this, just a lackof political will.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:22pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.[/quote] When I lived in London as a child - I lived in a property that had a 40ft garden, at that time it was under the ownership of The Borough of Lewisham - Right to Buy came in and my retard stepfather moved us back to the slums of Castlemilk.
That porperty today would be worth around £300,000, unlike Castlemilk, the properties were demolished, as was the case with most post-war properties across as the whole process failed the people, for that I blame Labour for constructing poorly planned communities and demolishing those which could have been re-habilitated, and in turn, today there would be far more richer people in Glasgow than what we see today.
Fact
Meep wrote:
Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.
When I lived in London as a child - I lived in a property that had a 40ft garden, at that time it was under the ownership of The Borough of Lewisham - Right to Buy came in and my retard stepfather moved us back to the slums of Castlemilk.
That porperty today would be worth around £300,000, unlike Castlemilk, the properties were demolished, as was the case with most post-war properties across as the whole process failed the people, for that I blame Labour for constructing poorly planned communities and demolishing those which could have been re-habilitated, and in turn, today there would be far more richer people in Glasgow than what we see today.
Fact
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:25pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote: Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.[/quote] When I lived in London as a child - I lived in a property that had a 40ft garden, at that time it was under the ownership of The Borough of Lewisham - Right to Buy came in and my retard stepfather moved us back to the slums of Castlemilk. That porperty today would be worth around £300,000, unlike Castlemilk, the properties were demolished, as was the case with most post-war properties across as the whole process failed the people, for that I blame Labour for constructing poorly planned communities and demolishing those which could have been re-habilitated, and in turn, today there would be far more richer people in Glasgow than what we see today. Fact[/quote] Across Glasgow, or indeed the West of Scotland we could have seen a different picture if things were done properly back in the day.
Typical, and all for the delights of political spin.
Well done Labour, odd to think that the Tories could have done us a turn, but Labour Incompetencies never allowed Glaswegians to enjoy a life on the property ladder.
The Missing City wrote:
Meep wrote: Practicalities: This is partly Glasgow council's fault. though their own inertia and incompetence, they have allowed these "landlords" to get aay with awful housing standards. how often does the council check up on the priovate landlords stock? what is their legal liability in this scenarion? There is a LOT of dead wood at the council that needs removed now and replaced by workers who will do their job and bring these "landlords" to task. This is just another terrbile legacy of the "right to own" debacle, taking council property out of government habds.
When I lived in London as a child - I lived in a property that had a 40ft garden, at that time it was under the ownership of The Borough of Lewisham - Right to Buy came in and my retard stepfather moved us back to the slums of Castlemilk. That porperty today would be worth around £300,000, unlike Castlemilk, the properties were demolished, as was the case with most post-war properties across as the whole process failed the people, for that I blame Labour for constructing poorly planned communities and demolishing those which could have been re-habilitated, and in turn, today there would be far more richer people in Glasgow than what we see today. Fact
Across Glasgow, or indeed the West of Scotland we could have seen a different picture if things were done properly back in the day.
Typical, and all for the delights of political spin.
Well done Labour, odd to think that the Tories could have done us a turn, but Labour Incompetencies never allowed Glaswegians to enjoy a life on the property ladder.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 12:39pm Mon 28 Jul 08
If you take the headline at face value, that's £1.4m per flat. I'd take that job. I'd even do it for half the money.
Or, if you believe that £187m is being spent at a rate of £80k per home, then it's about 2,300 flats being repaired. Surely that's not "hundreds".
If you take the headline at face value, that's £1.4m per flat. I'd take that job. I'd even do it for half the money.
Or, if you believe that £187m is being spent at a rate of £80k per home, then it's about 2,300 flats being repaired. Surely that's not "hundreds".
Posted by: ron Oliver, edinburgh on 12:48pm Mon 28 Jul 08
i wonder if any of these properties are on David Marshall's daughter's prporty portfolio?
i wonder if any of these properties are on David Marshall's daughter's prporty portfolio?
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 12:49pm Mon 28 Jul 08
The council can force repairs by undertaking them on a compulsory basis by issuing a statutory notice and then seek payment back from owners.
In addition, the council can issue rent penalty notices that forbid tenants paying rent to unregistered landlords (to flush out the rogue ones who need to resurface in order to receive their rent).
So the powers do exist for the council to tackle slum conditions and identify landlords who aren't attending to their obligations and put the responsibility and cost back onto those landlords.
I guess there's a question of whether there is the will and the resources for them to do this.
The council can force repairs by undertaking them on a compulsory basis by issuing a statutory notice and then seek payment back from owners.
In addition, the council can issue rent penalty notices that forbid tenants paying rent to unregistered landlords (to flush out the rogue ones who need to resurface in order to receive their rent).
So the powers do exist for the council to tackle slum conditions and identify landlords who aren't attending to their obligations and put the responsibility and cost back onto those landlords.
I guess there's a question of whether there is the will and the resources for them to do this.
Posted by: fair enough, Glasgow on 12:50pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Market rents would have allowed these flats to be properly maintained but rents dictated by the amount of housing benefit allowed by the state means that they will inevitably not be repaired and eventually become slums.
Market rents would have allowed these flats to be properly maintained but rents dictated by the amount of housing benefit allowed by the state means that they will inevitably not be repaired and eventually become slums.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:58pm Mon 28 Jul 08
pathetic landlords have it in their greedy heads that rent money is fun money for them......WRONG a proper business person should know that money should be put aside from all tenant contributions for keeping property up to tip top condition....i suggest these chancers should take a course on property management, if nothing is done to gut the flats and bring them into the 20th century then the place will end up looking like one of the 3rd world countries, come on you jokers have a bit of pride and clean the place up after all its your property why should the rest of the city put up with your filthy and slummy ways.
pathetic landlords have it in their greedy heads that rent money is fun money for them......WRONG a proper business person should know that money should be put aside from all tenant contributions for keeping property up to tip top condition....i suggest these chancers should take a course on property management, if nothing is done to gut the flats and bring them into the 20th century then the place will end up looking like one of the 3rd world countries, come on you jokers have a bit of pride and clean the place up after all its your property why should the rest of the city put up with your filthy and slummy ways.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 1:08pm Mon 28 Jul 08
that's rich coming from Govanhill HA. Theya re forcing a friend of mine to live in a house with no heating by not maintaining the heating appliances. he has been told to heat his house with a hot water immersion heater. They should try and get their own house in order before attacking the private sector. I own a flat on Westmoreland st and the building has always been in excelent maintained condition. One house has been let by a landlord and the impact this has had on the block has been unbeleivable. the back court is now a health hazard. However without stronger powers of eviction for landlords it is difficult for the private landlord to evict the tenant. I think what I'm trying to say is don;t tar all private landlords with the same brush. help the good ones to evict problem tenants and the Housing associations should also get their own house in order
that's rich coming from Govanhill HA. Theya re forcing a friend of mine to live in a house with no heating by not maintaining the heating appliances. he has been told to heat his house with a hot water immersion heater. They should try and get their own house in order before attacking the private sector. I own a flat on Westmoreland st and the building has always been in excelent maintained condition. One house has been let by a landlord and the impact this has had on the block has been unbeleivable. the back court is now a health hazard. However without stronger powers of eviction for landlords it is difficult for the private landlord to evict the tenant. I think what I'm trying to say is don;t tar all private landlords with the same brush. help the good ones to evict problem tenants and the Housing associations should also get their own house in order
Posted by: jimmy d, Japan on 1:41pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Does Sanjeev Kolhi own any of these properties? Maybe a high profile slum landlord could start by sorting these issues.
Does Sanjeev Kolhi own any of these properties? Maybe a high profile slum landlord could start by sorting these issues.
Posted by: Captain Sensible, Glasgow on 2:09pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]fair enough[/bold] wrote:
Market rents would have allowed these flats to be properly maintained but rents dictated by the amount of housing benefit allowed by the state means that they will inevitably not be repaired and eventually become slums. [/quote] Good point fair enough
fair enough wrote:
Market rents would have allowed these flats to be properly maintained but rents dictated by the amount of housing benefit allowed by the state means that they will inevitably not be repaired and eventually become slums.
Good point fair enough
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 3:17pm Mon 28 Jul 08
£80K a flat thats more than the current value of most of the properties in the ground zero area of govanhell.
£80K a flat thats more than the current value of most of the properties in the ground zero area of govanhell.
Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 4:17pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Why should tax payers have to fork out the money to remedy a situation which should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Make the slum landlords pay for the destruction they have caused. Also make the shopkeepers in Allison St clean up their mess.
Govanhill Housing Association see an opportunity for empire building, that is why they are now involved. Some of the low lifes they have rented to over these past few years has also added to the dreadful situation now discussed in govanhill.
Local residents have pleaded with politicians and council officials to do something about the area for at least 3 years, no organisation including the council was ever prepared to uphold the existing laws and bye laws.
Make the slum landlords pay and don't allow Govanhill Housing Association to build an even bigger empire.
Why should tax payers have to fork out the money to remedy a situation which should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. Make the slum landlords pay for the destruction they have caused. Also make the shopkeepers in Allison St clean up their mess.
Govanhill Housing Association see an opportunity for empire building, that is why they are now involved. Some of the low lifes they have rented to over these past few years has also added to the dreadful situation now discussed in govanhill.
Local residents have pleaded with politicians and council officials to do something about the area for at least 3 years, no organisation including the council was ever prepared to uphold the existing laws and bye laws.
Make the slum landlords pay and don't allow Govanhill Housing Association to build an even bigger empire.
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 6:23pm Mon 28 Jul 08
An average of 80K per home? That equals approximately $160K Canadian. For that I could totally renovate my 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom home in what would be a most acceptable manner and have $considerableK left over. It seems an incredibly high amount. Either your prices are out of sight or your system is awash in rip-off artists.
An average of 80K per home? That equals approximately $160K Canadian. For that I could totally renovate my 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom home in what would be a most acceptable manner and have $considerableK left over. It seems an incredibly high amount. Either your prices are out of sight or your system is awash in rip-off artists.
Posted by: silvixen, Glasgow on 6:24pm Mon 28 Jul 08
I was born and brought up in Govanhell. The sooner they raise the place to the ground the happier I would feel. Whats the point in trying to make it good for the majority of the scum that live there. Try North Govanhell the biggest cesspit in the whole of Europe. My sons and daughter were literally hounded out of the place because they didnt get to run with the hoodlum scum gangs. As for the labour councillor what a waste of space. She put a lot of time and effort into the Larkfield centre and the surrounding area, what happened up in the North of the area was that the scum from around the bottom park flitted up to riccarton st park and all hell was let loose up there. Blow it up burn it down either way it wont be sadly missed
I was born and brought up in Govanhell. The sooner they raise the place to the ground the happier I would feel. Whats the point in trying to make it good for the majority of the scum that live there. Try North Govanhell the biggest cesspit in the whole of Europe. My sons and daughter were literally hounded out of the place because they didnt get to run with the hoodlum scum gangs. As for the labour councillor what a waste of space. She put a lot of time and effort into the Larkfield centre and the surrounding area, what happened up in the North of the area was that the scum from around the bottom park flitted up to riccarton st park and all hell was let loose up there. Blow it up burn it down either way it wont be sadly missed
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:48pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]silvixen[/bold] wrote:
I was born and brought up in Govanhell. The sooner they raise the place to the ground the happier I would feel. Whats the point in trying to make it good for the majority of the scum that live there. Try North Govanhell the biggest cesspit in the whole of Europe. My sons and daughter were literally hounded out of the place because they didnt get to run with the hoodlum scum gangs. As for the labour councillor what a waste of space. She put a lot of time and effort into the Larkfield centre and the surrounding area, what happened up in the North of the area was that the scum from around the bottom park flitted up to riccarton st park and all hell was let loose up there. Blow it up burn it down either way it wont be sadly missed[/quote] I must admit, there is a few streets which have succumbed to derelict conditions around Alison Street, however, thats not say that the rest of Govanhill is a dump, far from it.
To suggest a replacement of the housing is probably far from the current agenda, if it were to be demolished, what would it be replaced with?
Luxury Flats?
Tesco?
Fields?
It could provide the impetus for massive decline in an area which is largely busy, any removal of this would scar a fragmented Southside, a bvit like a "Springburn or Mayhill in the Southside".
That would suit some I bet.
silvixen wrote:
I was born and brought up in Govanhell. The sooner they raise the place to the ground the happier I would feel. Whats the point in trying to make it good for the majority of the scum that live there. Try North Govanhell the biggest cesspit in the whole of Europe. My sons and daughter were literally hounded out of the place because they didnt get to run with the hoodlum scum gangs. As for the labour councillor what a waste of space. She put a lot of time and effort into the Larkfield centre and the surrounding area, what happened up in the North of the area was that the scum from around the bottom park flitted up to riccarton st park and all hell was let loose up there. Blow it up burn it down either way it wont be sadly missed
I must admit, there is a few streets which have succumbed to derelict conditions around Alison Street, however, thats not say that the rest of Govanhill is a dump, far from it.
To suggest a replacement of the housing is probably far from the current agenda, if it were to be demolished, what would it be replaced with?
Luxury Flats?
Tesco?
Fields?
It could provide the impetus for massive decline in an area which is largely busy, any removal of this would scar a fragmented Southside, a bvit like a "Springburn or Mayhill in the Southside".
That would suit some I bet.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 6:56pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Personally.I would nuke the place. It is full of undesirables, illegals, criminals and generally good for nothings. They have turned the area into a ghetto.
Walk down Allison Street or Calder Street and you will see what I mean.
Personally.I would nuke the place. It is full of undesirables, illegals, criminals and generally good for nothings. They have turned the area into a ghetto.
Walk down Allison Street or Calder Street and you will see what I mean.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 7:04pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Govanhill is reported to have one of the highest crime rates in the city. For a population of 8,500 residents, it racked up 1,446 reported incidents.
Previous posters are right - it has the potential to be a gem, what with the viccy road, good amenities, local park - but the squalid housing and transient population is preventing this.
Mount Florida, just the other side of park, is what Govanhill could be - a quiet residential pocket with low crime and low street nuisance, very little community conflict.
Govanhill is reported to have one of the highest crime rates in the city. For a population of 8,500 residents, it racked up 1,446 reported incidents.
Previous posters are right - it has the potential to be a gem, what with the viccy road, good amenities, local park - but the squalid housing and transient population is preventing this.
Mount Florida, just the other side of park, is what Govanhill could be - a quiet residential pocket with low crime and low street nuisance, very little community conflict.
Posted by: David, Dunoon on 7:19pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Got to agree with Pete, £80,000 per home in these Tenements ? Who's kidding who ? There's builders becoming millionaires practically overnight off the back of this council with Public money.
Got to agree with Pete, £80,000 per home in these Tenements ? Who's kidding who ? There's builders becoming millionaires practically overnight off the back of this council with Public money.
Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 7:19pm Mon 28 Jul 08
The flats in question have never been owned by Glasgow City Council or Govanhill Housing Association. At one time, they were good flats and if properly maintained and renovated like many tenemants in Glasgow would still be. Sadly with the "buy to rent market" and the ever increasing availability of Housing Benefit (I'm sure if they had to pay from their own hard earned money they would not have been so tolerant of conditions)the social fabric of the area has changed dramatically and slum housing now exists.
How about refurbishing the flats.Decent existing owner/occupiers could remain and perhaps young working couples who may not be able to buy due to the economic climate could have the opportunity to buy into a share of home ownership.
These are just ideas and I am sure there are many more.
The flats in question have never been owned by Glasgow City Council or Govanhill Housing Association. At one time, they were good flats and if properly maintained and renovated like many tenemants in Glasgow would still be. Sadly with the "buy to rent market" and the ever increasing availability of Housing Benefit (I'm sure if they had to pay from their own hard earned money they would not have been so tolerant of conditions)the social fabric of the area has changed dramatically and slum housing now exists.
How about refurbishing the flats.Decent existing owner/occupiers could remain and perhaps young working couples who may not be able to buy due to the economic climate could have the opportunity to buy into a share of home ownership.
These are just ideas and I am sure there are many more.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 7:54pm Mon 28 Jul 08
too far gone to be saved.i just hope the decent people get out before it becomes like a 50s american ghetto.which is not too far ahead
too far gone to be saved.i just hope the decent people get out before it becomes like a 50s american ghetto.which is not too far ahead
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 8:26pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]bob mckay[/bold] wrote:
I hope there is absolutely no suggestion of spending a penny of my taxpayers money on the private property of a slum landlord. Compulsory purchase at 50% of market value , yes- paying for improvements no! Thats just rewarding greed and neglect. Also, arent there empty council properties for rent?
And yes the council has statutory responsibilities in respect of landlords- also they can cut the housing benefit ( free rent) if the proerty is belwo standard thereby undercutting the profitability of negelct. We have the resources and alternatives already to fix this, just a lackof political will.[/quote] I have to agree. Taxpayers are being treated like a piggy bank.
Is Govanhill a vast experiment?
£130.000 - payed to the Scottish Asian Arts organisation - a group that takes up the majority of the Govanhill Neighbourhood Centre
in Daisy Street - http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC029155
A quarter of a million for an Asian festival.
That seems like a lot of taxpayer support for 3% of the population.
Was there a meeting and I missed it?
This is still Scotland isn't it?
bob mckay wrote:
I hope there is absolutely no suggestion of spending a penny of my taxpayers money on the private property of a slum landlord. Compulsory purchase at 50% of market value , yes- paying for improvements no! Thats just rewarding greed and neglect. Also, arent there empty council properties for rent?
And yes the council has statutory responsibilities in respect of landlords- also they can cut the housing benefit ( free rent) if the proerty is belwo standard thereby undercutting the profitability of negelct. We have the resources and alternatives already to fix this, just a lackof political will.
I have to agree. Taxpayers are being treated like a piggy bank.
Is Govanhill a vast experiment?
£130.000 - payed to the Scottish Asian Arts organisation - a group that takes up the majority of the Govanhill Neighbourhood Centre
in Daisy Street - http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC029155
A quarter of a million for an Asian festival.
That seems like a lot of taxpayer support for 3% of the population.
Was there a meeting and I missed it?
This is still Scotland isn't it?
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 8:56pm Mon 28 Jul 08
I have to agree. Taxpayers are being treated like a piggy bank.
Is this a vast experiment?
“Positive Action In Housing” - A charity that receives £386.755 from the taxpayer a year. It describes itself as the Scottish ethnic minorities housing agancy.
http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC027577
£130.000 a year payed to the Scottish Asian Arts organisation - a group that takes up the majority of the Govanhill Neighbourhood Centre
in Daisy Street and offers a range of Asian arts classes - http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC029155
Scottish-Islamic Foundation - A quarter of a million for a muslim organisation.
That seems like a awful lot of taxpayer support for less than 2% of the population. 3% if you include all ethnic minorities.
I’m sorry but why all the fuss and expense?
Was there a meeting and I missed it?
This is still Scotland isn't it?
[bold]Ethnic Groups in Scotland[/bold]
White: 4,960,334 - 97.99%
Scottish: 4,459,071 - 88.09%
Other White British: 373,685 - 7.38%
Any other White background: 78,150 - 1.54%
White Irish: 49,428 - 0.98%
Mixed: 12,764 - 0.25%
South Asian: 55,007 - 1.09%
Pakistani: 31,793 - 0.63%
Indian: 15,037 - 0.30%
Bangladeshi: 1,981 - 0.04%
Other South Asian: 6,196 - 0.12%
Black: 8,025 - 0.16%
African: 5,118 - 0.10%
Caribbean: 1,778 - 0.04%
Other Black: 1,129 - 0.02%
Chinese: 16,310 - 0.32%
Other: 9,571 - 0.19%
If you don’t like the figure find your own they will be the same.
I have to agree. Taxpayers are being treated like a piggy bank.
Is this a vast experiment?
“Positive Action In Housing” - A charity that receives £386.755 from the taxpayer a year. It describes itself as the Scottish ethnic minorities housing agancy.
http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC027577
£130.000 a year payed to the Scottish Asian Arts organisation - a group that takes up the majority of the Govanhill Neighbourhood Centre
in Daisy Street and offers a range of Asian arts classes - http://www.oscr.org.
uk/CharityIndexDetai
ls.aspx?id=SC029155
Scottish-Islamic Foundation - A quarter of a million for a muslim organisation.
That seems like a awful lot of taxpayer support for less than 2% of the population. 3% if you include all ethnic minorities.
I’m sorry but why all the fuss and expense?
Was there a meeting and I missed it?
This is still Scotland isn't it?
Ethnic Groups in Scotland
White: 4,960,334 - 97.99%
Scottish: 4,459,071 - 88.09%
Other White British: 373,685 - 7.38%
Any other White background: 78,150 - 1.54%
White Irish: 49,428 - 0.98%
Mixed: 12,764 - 0.25%
South Asian: 55,007 - 1.09%
Pakistani: 31,793 - 0.63%
Indian: 15,037 - 0.30%
Bangladeshi: 1,981 - 0.04%
Other South Asian: 6,196 - 0.12%
Black: 8,025 - 0.16%
African: 5,118 - 0.10%
Caribbean: 1,778 - 0.04%
Other Black: 1,129 - 0.02%
Chinese: 16,310 - 0.32%
Other: 9,571 - 0.19%
If you don’t like the figure find your own they will be the same.
Posted by: glasgow spark, cardonald on 9:29pm Mon 28 Jul 08
i am a local spark working for myself who will do the work needed in these houses for less than the £80000 as reported int his story. if ther is anyone who could put me in contact with some of the landlords in govanhill i could start straight away
i am a local spark working for myself who will do the work needed in these houses for less than the £80000 as reported int his story. if ther is anyone who could put me in contact with some of the landlords in govanhill i could start straight away
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 9:45pm Mon 28 Jul 08
stereotypical Glaswegian. there are lies damned lies and statistics. Your name suggests you are a reflection of a Glasweigan. I never thought the BNP were particulary strong in Glasgow so best get yourself back to your Utopian white idyl wherever that is...
At least the Asian community make a postive contribution to Scotland and the Southside in particular unlike teh 30% of teh glasgow population who scam and bleed the welfare state dry making ih harder for those who are actually in need of support.
Back to Govanhill, G'Hill is a great area with problem, there is a strong grassroots community who have had no help from anybody. It is diverse, interesting vibrant and has a lot to offer. With some money spent on teh place and things like teh Cadder street swimming pool reopened and the library saved then this area will be even better.
stereotypical Glaswegian. there are lies damned lies and statistics. Your name suggests you are a reflection of a Glasweigan. I never thought the BNP were particulary strong in Glasgow so best get yourself back to your Utopian white idyl wherever that is...
At least the Asian community make a postive contribution to Scotland and the Southside in particular unlike teh 30% of teh glasgow population who scam and bleed the welfare state dry making ih harder for those who are actually in need of support.
Back to Govanhill, G'Hill is a great area with problem, there is a strong grassroots community who have had no help from anybody. It is diverse, interesting vibrant and has a lot to offer. With some money spent on teh place and things like teh Cadder street swimming pool reopened and the library saved then this area will be even better.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 9:53pm Mon 28 Jul 08
eh!hope ou were not having a go at the people who have rented and also bought property, the first flat i bought in springburn had no electricity, no hot water, an old fashioned black fireplace,the barras sold me a geyser for hot water, a handyman pulled out the old fireplace and sold it for scrap which paid for the cooker and a fake coal electric fire ....from the barras! which was fitted by a plumber found through an advert in a newsagents window,painted and papered, every week windows washed by a window cleaner who was paid equally by residents ...the building was 160 years old and we sold it for double the original price 2 years later, (we cleaned offices at night for extra money so the money came in handy for flooring and carpets) we were among thousands who had guts instead of moaning about being short of cash, the glasgow people took pride in their surroundings and were proud of their wee rooms and kitchens.
eh!hope ou were not having a go at the people who have rented and also bought property, the first flat i bought in springburn had no electricity, no hot water, an old fashioned black fireplace,the barras sold me a geyser for hot water, a handyman pulled out the old fireplace and sold it for scrap which paid for the cooker and a fake coal electric fire ....from the barras! which was fitted by a plumber found through an advert in a newsagents window,painted and papered, every week windows washed by a window cleaner who was paid equally by residents ...the building was 160 years old and we sold it for double the original price 2 years later, (we cleaned offices at night for extra money so the money came in handy for flooring and carpets) we were among thousands who had guts instead of moaning about being short of cash, the glasgow people took pride in their surroundings and were proud of their wee rooms and kitchens.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 9:54pm Mon 28 Jul 08
[bold]"Lies, damned lies and statistics..."[/bold]
Where have I lied?
All information I have given is accurate.
2% of the population are given vast access to taxpayer resources.
[bold]"At least the Asian community make a postive contribution to Scotland... unlike teh 30% of teh glasgow population who scam and bleed the welfare state dry..."[/bold]
Sounds like you are the one who is the dirty racist.
By the way I have never voted or supported the BNP in my life.
Just seeing the injustice and telling it like it is.
If your counter-argument is to abuse me you are a sad little brain washed robot.
"Lies, damned lies and statistics..."
Where have I lied?
All information I have given is accurate.
2% of the population are given vast access to taxpayer resources.
"At least the Asian community make a postive contribution to Scotland... unlike teh 30% of teh glasgow population who scam and bleed the welfare state dry..."
Sounds like you are the one who is the dirty racist.
By the way I have never voted or supported the BNP in my life.
Just seeing the injustice and telling it like it is.
If your counter-argument is to abuse me you are a sad little brain washed robot.
Posted by: Ian Carmichael, Ontario, Canada on 10:16pm Mon 28 Jul 08
I emigrated from Riccarton Street 54 years ago to Canada where I have lived in four of its provinces. It is distressing to think of my old home as a slum dwelling. I would have thought Glasgow councils would have learned a lesson from the failed quick fix of Hutchesontown where I was born. It is the same story around the world. What you do not own you do not care about. It is true that the immigrant areas of say Toronto while not necesarry full of substandard accomodation they are populated many people who brought their substandard living conditions with them. Weekend TV headlines deliver a nausiating lisitng of criminal actiivity including murder.Fortunately I live in a country town populated by several immigrated nationaliities from the18th.century, German, Scottish, English, Irish. No more space
I emigrated from Riccarton Street 54 years ago to Canada where I have lived in four of its provinces. It is distressing to think of my old home as a slum dwelling. I would have thought Glasgow councils would have learned a lesson from the failed quick fix of Hutchesontown where I was born. It is the same story around the world. What you do not own you do not care about. It is true that the immigrant areas of say Toronto while not necesarry full of substandard accomodation they are populated many people who brought their substandard living conditions with them. Weekend TV headlines deliver a nausiating lisitng of criminal actiivity including murder.Fortunately I live in a country town populated by several immigrated nationaliities from the18th.century, German, Scottish, English, Irish. No more space
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:28pm Mon 28 Jul 08
i heard if you emmigrate to all of the counties mentioned they give you free ed for your weans,you dont need a passport, you get a nice hoose, sign on social for money, free health, they change the laws for you if you object to the laws already in place, if you object to their relgeous holidays they will change it for you to suit your own religion, and if anyone says anything about your scottish accent...by god they will take that person to task....only kidding, had you all goin there ha ha.
i heard if you emmigrate to all of the counties mentioned they give you free ed for your weans,you dont need a passport, you get a nice hoose, sign on social for money, free health, they change the laws for you if you object to the laws already in place, if you object to their relgeous holidays they will change it for you to suit your own religion, and if anyone says anything about your scottish accent...by god they will take that person to task....only kidding, had you all goin there ha ha.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 12:06am Tue 29 Jul 08
Total rubbish 80 thousand my left buttock cheek you could build two flats from scratch for that ffs.
Total rubbish 80 thousand my left buttock cheek you could build two flats from scratch for that ffs.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 12:09am Tue 29 Jul 08
[quote][bold]glasgow spark[/bold] wrote:
i am a local spark working for myself who will do the work needed in these houses for less than the £80000 as reported int his story. if ther is anyone who could put me in contact with some of the landlords in govanhill i could start straight away[/quote] Dont be so silly the 80grand includes the jobs for the boys money supplied to the snps favourite charity its own MPs.
glasgow spark wrote:
i am a local spark working for myself who will do the work needed in these houses for less than the £80000 as reported int his story. if ther is anyone who could put me in contact with some of the landlords in govanhill i could start straight away
Dont be so silly the 80grand includes the jobs for the boys money supplied to the snps favourite charity its own MPs.
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 8:22am Tue 29 Jul 08
I own a flat in Kingarth St & if anyone wants to offer me £80k then come on down..
I own a flat in Kingarth St & if anyone wants to offer me £80k then come on down..
Posted by: clayton-moore, dusseldorf on 9:21am Tue 29 Jul 08
Everyone in Glasgow knows that these slumlords operate by putting in social socurity claimants and charging them (i.e. us) whatever the mortgage is +poll tax + their profits.
In fact what they are doing is scamming and bleeding the welfare state at one remove by forcing those unfortunate enough to rely on them for a roof over their head to do their dirty work for them.
That the authorities sanction these payments is a crime, it makes it more difficult for those on benefits to come off and artificially inflates the rents of ALL private tenants.
But then, we don't want to be be unPC, do we?
Everyone in Glasgow knows that these slumlords operate by putting in social socurity claimants and charging them (i.e. us) whatever the mortgage is +poll tax + their profits.
In fact what they are doing is scamming and bleeding the welfare state at one remove by forcing those unfortunate enough to rely on them for a roof over their head to do their dirty work for them.
That the authorities sanction these payments is a crime, it makes it more difficult for those on benefits to come off and artificially inflates the rents of ALL private tenants.
But then, we don't want to be be unPC, do we?
Posted by: Aneas Silvas, Roma on 12:02pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Irrespective of the location, whether it be Bearsden, Jordanhill, Broomhill, Govanhill Newton Mearns, or a run-down council estate,
the house and home are just as good as the local hoseholders allow it to be. Rather than pour taxpayers money into the physical buidings which are soon trashed by the off-spring of anti-socuial parents if not the parents themselves, the cash would be better spent of providing a social education, whether it be Bearsden, Jordanhill, Broomhill, Newton Mearns or, indeed, Govanhill.
Irrespective of the location, whether it be Bearsden, Jordanhill, Broomhill, Govanhill Newton Mearns, or a run-down council estate,
the house and home are just as good as the local hoseholders allow it to be. Rather than pour taxpayers money into the physical buidings which are soon trashed by the off-spring of anti-socuial parents if not the parents themselves, the cash would be better spent of providing a social education, whether it be Bearsden, Jordanhill, Broomhill, Newton Mearns or, indeed, Govanhill.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 12:07pm Tue 29 Jul 08
As far as I am concerned, this is between the individual private landlords and the local council to fix up their properties to the required standard without any subsidies from tax payers, otherwise Glasgow residents will be picking up the tab for the landlord's wilful neglect.
There are plenty of regulations that can enforce repairs and identify absent landlords.
As far as I am concerned, this is between the individual private landlords and the local council to fix up their properties to the required standard without any subsidies from tax payers, otherwise Glasgow residents will be picking up the tab for the landlord's wilful neglect.
There are plenty of regulations that can enforce repairs and identify absent landlords.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 12:28pm Tue 29 Jul 08
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote:
As far as I am concerned, this is between the individual private landlords and the local council to fix up their properties to the required standard without any subsidies from tax payers, otherwise Glasgow residents will be picking up the tab for the landlord's wilful neglect.
There are plenty of regulations that can enforce repairs and identify absent landlords.[/quote] ....and a lot more powers besides.
It is a lack of political will to carry it through.
Our officials and politicians are cowards.
Worried they will be called racists by devious (and surprisingly rich) landlords in Govanhill.
A full audit of where all the wealth invested in property came from is long overdue.
Wouldn't be the first time.
bluey wrote:
As far as I am concerned, this is between the individual private landlords and the local council to fix up their properties to the required standard without any subsidies from tax payers, otherwise Glasgow residents will be picking up the tab for the landlord's wilful neglect.
There are plenty of regulations that can enforce repairs and identify absent landlords.
....and a lot more powers besides.
It is a lack of political will to carry it through.
Our officials and politicians are cowards.
Worried they will be called racists by devious (and surprisingly rich) landlords in Govanhill.
A full audit of where all the wealth invested in property came from is long overdue.
Wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 12:33pm Tue 29 Jul 08
[bold]From the article -[/bold] [italic]"in a briefing to the minister, councillors warned: ... "Given the large cash flows and high assets of many landlords involved in Govanhill, this may make enforcement very difficult."
[/italic]
[bold]Where did all these large assets & cash flows come from?
Criminal activities perhaps?[/bold]
From the article - "in a briefing to the minister, councillors warned: ... "Given the large cash flows and high assets of many landlords involved in Govanhill, this may make enforcement very difficult."
Where did all these large assets & cash flows come from?
Criminal activities perhaps? Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:34pm Tue 29 Jul 08
maybe the 112 police recruites will be able to clean up things....hopefully, as things cannot be tolerated in the downward slide of corruption and dopers, let the battle comence!... whatya gonna do ?...what ya gonna do? what ya gonna do when they come for you? bad boy bad boy.....you are in troubellll. ha ha sorreee.....NOT.!
maybe the 112 police recruites will be able to clean up things....hopefully, as things cannot be tolerated in the downward slide of corruption and dopers, let the battle comence!... whatya gonna do ?...what ya gonna do? what ya gonna do when they come for you? bad boy bad boy.....you are in troubellll. ha ha sorreee.....NOT.!
Posted by: nice1, govanhill on 6:07pm Tue 29 Jul 08
Why don't they just put that motorway right through Ground Zero and make sure that it goes through Mr Aslams big villa in Queen Mary Avenue too!
Why don't they just put that motorway right through Ground Zero and make sure that it goes through Mr Aslams big villa in Queen Mary Avenue too!
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 12:41am Wed 30 Jul 08
Govanhill was on the way down some ten years. Circa this time the Evening Times reported of ‘seven thousand Glasgow pre-war homes, inhabited by Glaswegians which are unsanitary and riddled with damp and rot.’ The photographs of slum houses with this article were of Allison St. and Annette St., Govanhill. There were also reports of thousands of homeless people in Glasgow. Instead of working on the deprivation problems in Govanhill, our councillors opted to create farther slum conditions and reduce the area to the unhealthy, disease-ridden hole it is now.
They did two financial deals, totaling £250,000,000 (sic) of British taxpayers’ money with the home Office to accommodate asylum seekers in Glasgow (the only Scottish constituency out of 32 to do so) They then agreed to take the immigrants from the Eastern bloc (Roma et al) and dumped them and their offspring in Govanhill and its schools. The immigrants from the Eastern bloc were in Britain legally, they could have chosen to live anywhere in Britain. Why did our city councillors bring them to Glasgow and Govanhill? Money?
Solution now is to reduce the number of persons living in Govanhill. Offload the failed asylum seekers and the recent arrival of immigrants. Alternative is allow Govanhill to deteriorate into filth, which means disease, which means - cholera?
Other solution is for the decent people to vacate Govanhill and let Glasgow City Council build Scotland’s first? ghetto.
Fantasy? It’s happening.
Govanhill was on the way down some ten years. Circa this time the Evening Times reported of ‘seven thousand Glasgow pre-war homes, inhabited by Glaswegians which are unsanitary and riddled with damp and rot.’ The photographs of slum houses with this article were of Allison St. and Annette St., Govanhill. There were also reports of thousands of homeless people in Glasgow. Instead of working on the deprivation problems in Govanhill, our councillors opted to create farther slum conditions and reduce the area to the unhealthy, disease-ridden hole it is now.
They did two financial deals, totaling £250,000,000 (sic) of British taxpayers’ money with the home Office to accommodate asylum seekers in Glasgow (the only Scottish constituency out of 32 to do so) They then agreed to take the immigrants from the Eastern bloc (Roma et al) and dumped them and their offspring in Govanhill and its schools. The immigrants from the Eastern bloc were in Britain legally, they could have chosen to live anywhere in Britain. Why did our city councillors bring them to Glasgow and Govanhill? Money?
Solution now is to reduce the number of persons living in Govanhill. Offload the failed asylum seekers and the recent arrival of immigrants. Alternative is allow Govanhill to deteriorate into filth, which means disease, which means - cholera?
Other solution is for the decent people to vacate Govanhill and let Glasgow City Council build Scotland’s first? ghetto.
Fantasy? It’s happening.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 3:39am Wed 30 Jul 08
"Fantasy? It’s happening."
[bold]Its happened.[/bold]
"Fantasy? It’s happening."
Its happened.
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