Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:37am Fri 1 Aug 08
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices.
How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick.
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices.
How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 11:41am Fri 1 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Kudos[/bold] wrote:
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick. [/quote] that's because the crazy situation exists that the outside belongs to the government and the inside belongs to the franchisee!
i suppose it's in keeping with a national identity of the icty streets smelling of stale booze and sick on saturday and sunday mornings!
Kudos wrote:
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick.
that's because the crazy situation exists that the outside belongs to the government and the inside belongs to the franchisee!
i suppose it's in keeping with a national identity of the icty streets smelling of stale booze and sick on saturday and sunday mornings!
Posted by: KB, Glasgow on 12:03pm Fri 1 Aug 08
People will moan at anything.
Trains will look good - lets hope the powers to be look at the stations next.
People will moan at anything.
Trains will look good - lets hope the powers to be look at the stations next.
Posted by: Brad on 12:08pm Fri 1 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Kudos[/bold] wrote:
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick. [/quote] must just be the trains you travel on
Kudos wrote:
I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick.
must just be the trains you travel on
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:11pm Fri 1 Aug 08
Well I for one welcome our new insect overlords!
Well I for one welcome our new insect overlords!
Posted by: scotgod, glasgow on 12:19pm Fri 1 Aug 08
The new livery gives Scotland's railways a national identity without being Nationalist
hmmmmmmmmm methinks the phrase contradiction in terms comes to mind
The new livery gives Scotland's railways a national identity without being Nationalist
hmmmmmmmmm methinks the phrase contradiction in terms comes to mind
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:23pm Fri 1 Aug 08
The man had to say something, but I'm sure he had his fingers crossed.
The man had to say something, but I'm sure he had his fingers crossed.
Posted by: John Kebab, Glasgow on 12:39pm Fri 1 Aug 08
Quite how anybody can complain about the condition of the trains in Scotland is beyond me. Even the old ones are still smart and pretty clean.
I travelled on some kind of heap from Preston to Liverpool recently and I thought I was in a 3rd world country. It gave the impression it was going fast with the noise it was making, but in actual fact, it couldnt have been more than 35mph. It also smelled like an old paid of football boots.
We've got it good up here and should be grateful!
Quite how anybody can complain about the condition of the trains in Scotland is beyond me. Even the old ones are still smart and pretty clean.
I travelled on some kind of heap from Preston to Liverpool recently and I thought I was in a 3rd world country. It gave the impression it was going fast with the noise it was making, but in actual fact, it couldnt have been more than 35mph. It also smelled like an old paid of football boots.
We've got it good up here and should be grateful!
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 12:43pm Fri 1 Aug 08
magic,and can we get wee scotland flags put on poles at the front of the trains
magic,and can we get wee scotland flags put on poles at the front of the trains
Posted by: stevie5, subway on 1:29pm Fri 1 Aug 08
remember folks its the travelling public who leave the trains smelling of booze and vomit why should anyone else have to clean up after people who obviously have no respect for themselves or onyone else
remember folks its the travelling public who leave the trains smelling of booze and vomit why should anyone else have to clean up after people who obviously have no respect for themselves or onyone else
Posted by: ron Oliver, edinburgh on 1:53pm Fri 1 Aug 08
why should the Poles that are travelling at the front of the train (damned dangerous practice if you aske me)have to carry wee Scottish flags? could they not carry Polish flags or EU ones at least. please explain
why should the Poles that are travelling at the front of the train (damned dangerous practice if you aske me)have to carry wee Scottish flags? could they not carry Polish flags or EU ones at least. please explain
Posted by: Pete, Darren, Hamilton on 2:06pm Fri 1 Aug 08
How secure in its identity can a nation be if it has to drape everything in its national flag and put the name of the country at the end of every government department or inititive? Yes, we live in Scotland, get over it!
How secure in its identity can a nation be if it has to drape everything in its national flag and put the name of the country at the end of every government department or inititive? Yes, we live in Scotland, get over it!
Posted by: Southside, Giffnock on 2:10pm Fri 1 Aug 08
The Strathclyde Rail network should be kept seperate. As in Glasgow should have it's own livery.
Integrate Glasgow's buses, trains, (possible) ferries.
The Strathclyde Rail network should be kept seperate. As in Glasgow should have it's own livery.
Integrate Glasgow's buses, trains, (possible) ferries.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 2:30pm Fri 1 Aug 08
You're all unionist traitors in thrall to nu Liebor, and ashamed of your affiliation to the land of shortbread, heather and Shir Sean, the greatest living wifebeater.
You're all unionist traitors in thrall to nu Liebor, and ashamed of your affiliation to the land of shortbread, heather and Shir Sean, the greatest living wifebeater.
Posted by: Alessandro, Airdrie on 3:20pm Fri 1 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Southside[/bold] wrote:
The Strathclyde Rail network should be kept seperate. As in Glasgow should have it's own livery. Integrate Glasgow's buses, trains, (possible) ferries. [/quote] Well i'd like to know what SPT think of the plans, given that they already have their own livery independant of the operator (hence why they are not in First Group "barbie" colours).
I personally think the trains should be Caledonian Blue, and why not bring back the depot mascots? So Eastfield-based trains could have the west highland terrier logo, Haymarket could have the castle, Inverness the highland stag, and so on.
Southside wrote:
The Strathclyde Rail network should be kept seperate. As in Glasgow should have it's own livery. Integrate Glasgow's buses, trains, (possible) ferries.
Well i'd like to know what SPT think of the plans, given that they already have their own livery independant of the operator (hence why they are not in First Group "barbie" colours).
I personally think the trains should be Caledonian Blue, and why not bring back the depot mascots? So Eastfield-based trains could have the west highland terrier logo, Haymarket could have the castle, Inverness the highland stag, and so on.
Posted by: flyingscot, Crookston on 4:13pm Fri 1 Aug 08
It wouldn't matter what SPT thinks, their train powers were changed to transport scotland
It wouldn't matter what SPT thinks, their train powers were changed to transport scotland
Posted by: Mungo, Glasgow on 5:10pm Fri 1 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
How secure in its identity can a nation be if it has to drape everything in its national flag and put the name of the country at the end of every government department or inititive? Yes, we live in Scotland, get over it![/quote] Agreed. It's like living in a tartan theme park.
Pete wrote:
How secure in its identity can a nation be if it has to drape everything in its national flag and put the name of the country at the end of every government department or inititive? Yes, we live in Scotland, get over it!
Agreed. It's like living in a tartan theme park.
Posted by: tobester, summerston, glasgow on 5:55pm Fri 1 Aug 08
The reason that trains are dirty inside is because the people who use them are animals and make the mess...the suit wearers during rush hour are the worst.
And who cleans up the mess or try to...the ticket examiners.
Clean up after yourselves or are your houses a dump too?
The reason that trains are dirty inside is because the people who use them are animals and make the mess...the suit wearers during rush hour are the worst.
And who cleans up the mess or try to...the ticket examiners.
Clean up after yourselves or are your houses a dump too?
Posted by: Conclusion Jumper, Paisley on 6:03pm Fri 1 Aug 08
Remember everyone that the trains bring visitors into the city as well as frequent travellers from the leafy renfrewshire suburbs. The smell of urine and litter gives us a taste of what to expect when we arrive and have to do the 'Hope Street Shuffle' avoiding the half-digested kebabs, and dark rivers of urine on every corner. If only we got the conductors to smell of drink, bum fags and to be threatening it might help complete the experience. Any thoughts?
Remember everyone that the trains bring visitors into the city as well as frequent travellers from the leafy renfrewshire suburbs. The smell of urine and litter gives us a taste of what to expect when we arrive and have to do the 'Hope Street Shuffle' avoiding the half-digested kebabs, and dark rivers of urine on every corner. If only we got the conductors to smell of drink, bum fags and to be threatening it might help complete the experience. Any thoughts?
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 6:57pm Fri 1 Aug 08
Pity that image accompanying this article shows the old livery of TWO franchises ago, ie National Express and not the current holder, First Scotrail OR EVEN THE ACTUAL PLANNED 'SALTIRE' LIVERY! At least with this new bold, dynamic, imaginative, Scotland-wide livery, Glasgow will get its 'Blue Trains' back (of a kind)! The image (published elsewhere) looks quite striking on the Class 170 Turbostars and we had a hint of what was planned when Transport Scotrail announced & issued an "artist's impressions" re the recently commissioned 38 new Class 380 Desiro trains for Ayrshire & Inverclyde IN SCOTTISH BLUE!!
Pity that image accompanying this article shows the old livery of TWO franchises ago, ie National Express and not the current holder, First Scotrail OR EVEN THE ACTUAL PLANNED 'SALTIRE' LIVERY! At least with this new bold, dynamic, imaginative, Scotland-wide livery, Glasgow will get its 'Blue Trains' back (of a kind)! The image (published elsewhere) looks quite striking on the Class 170 Turbostars and we had a hint of what was planned when Transport Scotrail announced & issued an "artist's impressions" re the recently commissioned 38 new Class 380 Desiro trains for Ayrshire & Inverclyde IN SCOTTISH BLUE!!
Posted by: Andrew Stephen on 8:33pm Fri 1 Aug 08
PS That should have read Transport SCOTLAND!
Same difference. It's all about image and branding AND I'M ALL FOR IT!! "FLY THE FLAG"!
PS That should have read Transport SCOTLAND!
Same difference. It's all about image and branding AND I'M ALL FOR IT!! "FLY THE FLAG"!
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 8:49am Sat 2 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Stephen[/bold] wrote:
PS That should have read Transport SCOTLAND! Same difference. It's all about image and branding AND I'M ALL FOR IT!! "FLY THE FLAG"![/quote] Andrew, Only the small minded would be against.. It seems we have a minority on these topics always against progressive ideas.
Maybe they should get out more and get a bit fresh air.
Why do we have so many sitting at their PC's always complaining.
Maybe some attention could be given to their young. The streets / transport might then be kept clean in the manner of the majority.
Self esteem seems to be lacking with some posters..
Andrew Stephen wrote:
PS That should have read Transport SCOTLAND! Same difference. It's all about image and branding AND I'M ALL FOR IT!! "FLY THE FLAG"!
Andrew, Only the small minded would be against.. It seems we have a minority on these topics always against progressive ideas.
Maybe they should get out more and get a bit fresh air.
Why do we have so many sitting at their PC's always complaining.
Maybe some attention could be given to their young. The streets / transport might then be kept clean in the manner of the majority.
Self esteem seems to be lacking with some posters..
Posted by: I_Dream_of_Electric_
Sheep, Glasgow on 6:40pm Sat 2 Aug 08
[quote][bold]daz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kudos[/bold] wrote: I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick. [/quote] that's because the crazy situation exists that the outside belongs to the government and the inside belongs to the franchisee! i suppose it's in keeping with a national identity of the icty streets smelling of stale booze and sick on saturday and sunday mornings! [/quote] Did you actually read the article or did you just stop at the headline. Because if you had read the whole article you would have found this
[italic]“The work will be carried out during routine re-painting to avoid extra costs.”[/italic]
Or are you arguing that the trains should not be maintained?
I am not disagreeing about how dirty the trains get. But how many people who complain about the state of the trains put their feet up on the seats, leave news papers and other rubbish about the train. The cleanliness of the trains will be dictated by how well the travailing public treat them; just now it seems the people think they are mobile bins, so what chance does First Scotrail have
daz wrote:
Kudos wrote: I love how the money can be found to paint the exterior of the trains but there is no money for a bucket and mop to clean the inside. The rail system in this country is a bl**dy joke and yet yesterday we are told to expect another increase in ticket prices. How nice will the trains look with a national livery and when the doors open a distinct smell of stale booze and sick.
that's because the crazy situation exists that the outside belongs to the government and the inside belongs to the franchisee! i suppose it's in keeping with a national identity of the icty streets smelling of stale booze and sick on saturday and sunday mornings!
Did you actually read the article or did you just stop at the headline. Because if you had read the whole article you would have found this
“The work will be carried out during routine re-painting to avoid extra costs.”
Or are you arguing that the trains should not be maintained?
I am not disagreeing about how dirty the trains get. But how many people who complain about the state of the trains put their feet up on the seats, leave news papers and other rubbish about the train. The cleanliness of the trains will be dictated by how well the travailing public treat them; just now it seems the people think they are mobile bins, so what chance does First Scotrail have
Posted by: Brad on 8:58pm Sat 2 Aug 08
[quote]Did you actually read the article[/quote]
Many ET posters can't read
Did you actually read the article
Many ET posters can't read
Posted by: rampant7, south carolina on 1:04am Sun 3 Aug 08
I is sort of comical ...that people are commenting about the smell of booze and vomit ...that has nothing to do with the railroad ..it is a small percentage of the passengers who are to blame .....
I is sort of comical ...that people are commenting about the smell of booze and vomit ...that has nothing to do with the railroad ..it is a small percentage of the passengers who are to blame .....
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 10:09am Sun 3 Aug 08
I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely.
Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.
I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely.
Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.
Posted by: tobester, summerston, glasgow on 10:41pm Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely.
Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.[/quote] Ok if they're female and they're mini kilts lol
*ducks for cover*
Pete wrote:
I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely.
Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.
Ok if they're female and they're mini kilts lol
*ducks for cover*
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 11:03am Mon 4 Aug 08
So much for integrated transport. I said this when SPT lost its powers over the rail service. They are talking about introducing contactless PAYG like Oyster in London - how the hell can they do that when different people run different parts of the network? And it will only confuse tourists visiting the city. More politicians' ideology interfering with the railways.....what's new!!!
So much for integrated transport. I said this when SPT lost its powers over the rail service. They are talking about introducing contactless PAYG like Oyster in London - how the hell can they do that when different people run different parts of the network? And it will only confuse tourists visiting the city. More politicians' ideology interfering with the railways.....what's new!!!
Posted by: Brad on 11:39am Mon 4 Aug 08
[quote][bold]tobester[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote: I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely. Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.[/quote] Ok if they're female and they're mini kilts lol *ducks for cover*[/quote] So you should! What a suggestion! Have you seen the women ticket collectors?!
tobester wrote:
Pete wrote: I'm all for it. It'll be nice to have dapper wee trains. Perhaps we can have a smiley face and a wee tartan bunnet painted on the front too. Lovely. Think the RMT might have something to say about the ticket inspectors having to wear kilts though.
Ok if they're female and they're mini kilts lol *ducks for cover*
So you should! What a suggestion! Have you seen the women ticket collectors?!
Posted by: jah1873, Glasgow, Scotland on 1:43pm Mon 4 Aug 08
It disnae matter!
Posted by: ron Oliver, edinburgh on 3:29pm Mon 4 Aug 08
i thought it was Disnae Kerr? is he not the man that wants to be Labour leader in Scotland or is it labour leader in the Scottish Parliament or is it Scottish Labour Leader or perhaps Grand Master for Labour in Scotland. pary tell
i thought it was Disnae Kerr? is he not the man that wants to be Labour leader in Scotland or is it labour leader in the Scottish Parliament or is it Scottish Labour Leader or perhaps Grand Master for Labour in Scotland. pary tell
Posted by: Carlos123, Hampshire on 4:15pm Mon 4 Aug 08
I have just come back from San Francisco where they have a local rail/underground system known as the BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit). Clean, bright stations. No ticket offices - all automatic machines. Clean trains - CCTV in every carriage. Direct train from Airport to City Centre. Ban on food and drink on the trains. Safe to travel on trains in a multicultural city. Announcements you can understand. How do visitors to these shores view our transport system?
I have just come back from San Francisco where they have a local rail/underground system known as the BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit). Clean, bright stations. No ticket offices - all automatic machines. Clean trains - CCTV in every carriage. Direct train from Airport to City Centre. Ban on food and drink on the trains. Safe to travel on trains in a multicultural city. Announcements you can understand. How do visitors to these shores view our transport system?
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