Posted by: george mcleod, Possil on 1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 08
How this man can be an SNP councilor is absolutely ridiculous.
He should be removed from the SNP forthwith.
These people make their money in Scotland but send it abroad.
How this man can be an SNP councilor is absolutely ridiculous.
He should be removed from the SNP forthwith.
These people make their money in Scotland but send it abroad.
Posted by: bappy, Ayrshire on 1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 08
"It's not illegal in Pakistan. Peolpe in Glasgow have shotguns" AND THIS GUY IS A COUNCILLOR! What a staggering moral code this guy must live under. Hell mend the lame brains who voted this sort of person in to represent them. Makes me sick to my stomach to think that he has influence within the council and within the city.[quote]quote[/quote]
"It's not illegal in Pakistan. Peolpe in Glasgow have shotguns" AND THIS GUY IS A COUNCILLOR! What a staggering moral code this guy must live under. Hell mend the lame brains who voted this sort of person in to represent them. Makes me sick to my stomach to think that he has influence within the council and within the city.
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Posted by: OWEN, LINDLEY on 1:14pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Can't believe they've deleted all the previous posts!
Is this a Pravda owned paper?
Is this the editor:
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7
o
Can't believe they've deleted all the previous posts!
Is this a Pravda owned paper?
Is this the editor:
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7
o
Posted by: BH, Paisley on 1:17pm Thu 7 Aug 08
All previous posts gone as they are in disagreement with the ET's view of course.
All previous posts gone as they are in disagreement with the ET's view of course.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 1:18pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]OWEN[/bold] wrote:
Can't believe they've deleted all the previous posts! Is this a Pravda owned paper? Is this the editor: http://uk.youtube.co m/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7 o[/quote] No surprise there. This guy does seem to be a bit of a buffoon. Why no such similar stories on Mohammed Sarwar?
OWEN wrote:
Can't believe they've deleted all the previous posts! Is this a Pravda owned paper? Is this the editor: http://uk.youtube.co m/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7 o
No surprise there. This guy does seem to be a bit of a buffoon. Why no such similar stories on Mohammed Sarwar?
Posted by: sighthillman, Glasgow on 1:21pm Thu 7 Aug 08
They delete anything that is not PC, although as this is a Labour supporting paper i am surprised when this is an SNP story or as they are known in the west"Scottish Muslim Party", .
They delete anything that is not PC, although as this is a Labour supporting paper i am surprised when this is an SNP story or as they are known in the west"Scottish Muslim Party", .
Posted by: Brad on 1:22pm Thu 7 Aug 08
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?
Posted by: teamdroid on 1:27pm Thu 7 Aug 08
If the SNP group on Glasgow Council have any sense they'll boot Hanif out. He's clearly bad news.
However, with the likes of councillor Colin Deans (a forthright supporter of Go Ape in Pollok Park), it's clear that the SNP group isn't much better than the Labour one. I'm not holding my breath.
If the SNP group on Glasgow Council have any sense they'll boot Hanif out. He's clearly bad news.
However, with the likes of councillor Colin Deans (a forthright supporter of Go Ape in Pollok Park), it's clear that the SNP group isn't much better than the Labour one. I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: KB, Glasgow on 1:28pm Thu 7 Aug 08
This paper's censor is worse than the Chinese.
This paper's censor is worse than the Chinese.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:29pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?[/quote] Brad there is a problem with your logic. The Kalashnikov is widely regarded as 'the world's favourite killing machine'. It's has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 bullets per minute. It can kill hundreds of people quickly. I live in Glasgow. Do I want someone to be making decisions on the welfare of my children when they think it's fun to teach kids how to use a deadly killing machine? He has to go and go quickly.
Brad wrote:
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?
Brad there is a problem with your logic. The Kalashnikov is widely regarded as 'the world's favourite killing machine'. It's has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 bullets per minute. It can kill hundreds of people quickly. I live in Glasgow. Do I want someone to be making decisions on the welfare of my children when they think it's fun to teach kids how to use a deadly killing machine? He has to go and go quickly.
Posted by: Balliol II, East Lothian on 1:31pm Thu 7 Aug 08
How do you know the rifle was Russian made? They are made in other countries. They cannot fire 600 rounds a minute but at the rate of 600 rounds a minute. The size of the magazines limits the number of rounds fired. I doubt if the five year old fired it. It is an odd holiday but is not illegal.
How do you know the rifle was Russian made? They are made in other countries. They cannot fire 600 rounds a minute but at the rate of 600 rounds a minute. The size of the magazines limits the number of rounds fired. I doubt if the five year old fired it. It is an odd holiday but is not illegal.
Posted by: Sam Clarke, Glasgow on 1:34pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Let me quash your censorship/ conspiracy theories about the disappearing comments .
The story which first appeared was a three paragraph digest. The full story was not posted until 1pm today.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to transfer comments from one story to another within our system so all the originals have gone.
As to moderation, our usual terms and conditions apply.
Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times
Let me quash your censorship/ conspiracy theories about the disappearing comments .
The story which first appeared was a three paragraph digest. The full story was not posted until 1pm today.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to transfer comments from one story to another within our system so all the originals have gone.
As to moderation, our usual terms and conditions apply.
Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 1:42pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]teamdroid[/bold] wrote:
If the SNP group on Glasgow Council have any sense they'll boot Hanif out. He's clearly bad news.
However, with the likes of councillor Colin Deans (a forthright supporter of Go Ape in Pollok Park), it's clear that the SNP group isn't much better than the Labour one. I'm not holding my breath.[/quote] indeed, its about time SNP looked at their councillors, we are getting the same sleaze as labour do.
teamdroid wrote:
If the SNP group on Glasgow Council have any sense they'll boot Hanif out. He's clearly bad news.
However, with the likes of councillor Colin Deans (a forthright supporter of Go Ape in Pollok Park), it's clear that the SNP group isn't much better than the Labour one. I'm not holding my breath.
indeed, its about time SNP looked at their councillors, we are getting the same sleaze as labour do.
Posted by: iscozzese, Glasgow on 1:45pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Doesn't matter what political party he belongs to, still a disgrace that the city is run by "such" persons. The state of the Govanhill area it's proof of this and the state of his properties the same. Disgrace to the city and to those that voted for him.
Doesn't matter what political party he belongs to, still a disgrace that the city is run by "such" persons. The state of the Govanhill area it's proof of this and the state of his properties the same. Disgrace to the city and to those that voted for him.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:46pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]KB[/bold] wrote:
This paper's censor is worse than the Chinese.[/quote] Don't think it's censorship KB - the earlier story was simply a summary and has been replaced wit full ones - so alas so many of the SNP's ridiculous excuses have been lost forever ...
Given those lost SNP excuses one wonders if the SNP are now out at Waterstones searching for 'AK47s - a fun day out for all the family' in order to pretend this is all silliness and a 'non-story'?
Why, says the SNP press officer, Alex Salmond often plays with his AK47 whilst puting a line on at the bookies and most days you can see Nicola Sturgeon shooting pigeons fae her hoose. Och aye, in the new Scotland, it's great fun to teach yer kids to work a killing machine. Ho hum (note to FM - will that cover us Boss?)
KB wrote:
This paper's censor is worse than the Chinese.
Don't think it's censorship KB - the earlier story was simply a summary and has been replaced wit full ones - so alas so many of the SNP's ridiculous excuses have been lost forever ...
Given those lost SNP excuses one wonders if the SNP are now out at Waterstones searching for 'AK47s - a fun day out for all the family' in order to pretend this is all silliness and a 'non-story'?
Why, says the SNP press officer, Alex Salmond often plays with his AK47 whilst puting a line on at the bookies and most days you can see Nicola Sturgeon shooting pigeons fae her hoose. Och aye, in the new Scotland, it's great fun to teach yer kids to work a killing machine. Ho hum (note to FM - will that cover us Boss?)
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 1:55pm Thu 7 Aug 08
He sounds very naive. I wouldn't let anyone let alone children near a gun.
The SNP is anti gun and I believe they would even ban air guns ( I agree)
The incident should be investigated by the SNP leadership and an explaination sought from the Councillor
However I am totally opposed to witchunts
He sounds very naive. I wouldn't let anyone let alone children near a gun.
The SNP is anti gun and I believe they would even ban air guns ( I agree)
The incident should be investigated by the SNP leadership and an explaination sought from the Councillor
However I am totally opposed to witchunts
Posted by: marcus, Glasgow on 1:59pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?[/quote] Brad! Are you kidding us on? It might have been a bit of fun for you but clearly this guy isn't just wanting to teach his kids how to hit a wee target and win a medal. Why show a FIVE YEAR OLD how to shoot an assault rifle? Baffling.
Brad wrote:
When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?
Brad! Are you kidding us on? It might have been a bit of fun for you but clearly this guy isn't just wanting to teach his kids how to hit a wee target and win a medal. Why show a FIVE YEAR OLD how to shoot an assault rifle? Baffling.
Posted by: Hometruths, Glasgow on 2:00pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Labour will be so relieved that they are not the only ones with numpties in their ranks. How SNP supporters can defend this guy is beyond belief. The paranoia displayed in their comments makes you wonder what might be undercovered if this guy and other SNP politicians were put under scrutiny - and, yes, David Marshall and any other politician suspected of playing fast and loose with public money or involved in unacceptable bahaviour should also be investigated.
Labour will be so relieved that they are not the only ones with numpties in their ranks. How SNP supporters can defend this guy is beyond belief. The paranoia displayed in their comments makes you wonder what might be undercovered if this guy and other SNP politicians were put under scrutiny - and, yes, David Marshall and any other politician suspected of playing fast and loose with public money or involved in unacceptable bahaviour should also be investigated.
Posted by: butterfly-y, perth on 2:00pm Thu 7 Aug 08
independencenow - you are a baffoon
independencenow - you are a baffoon
Posted by: Brad on 2:03pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote: When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?[/quote] Brad there is a problem with your logic. The Kalashnikov is widely regarded as 'the world's favourite killing machine'. It's has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 bullets per minute. It can kill hundreds of people quickly. I live in Glasgow. Do I want someone to be making decisions on the welfare of my children when they think it's fun to teach kids how to use a deadly killing machine? He has to go and go quickly. [/quote] I live in Glasgow too. And the people who make BIG decisions on the welfare of our children think it's OK to spend £billions on WMD, decide to invade countries on flimsy pretexts, remove basic human rights, etc. But it doesn't mean they can't make sensible decisions on other topics. And just because you teach your children to shoot doesn't mean you are some kind of maniac - in lots of sensible countries (e.g. Norway, Switzerland), it's quite normal.
independencenow wrote:
Brad wrote: When I was on holiday I did a target shooting contest. I don't own a gun, don't want a gun, don't even like guns. It was just something I did, a bit of fun. I didn't shoot anyone, I don't want to shoot anyone, I haven't started thinking violent thoughts. Probably much like this guy. What's the big deal?
Brad there is a problem with your logic. The Kalashnikov is widely regarded as 'the world's favourite killing machine'. It's has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 bullets per minute. It can kill hundreds of people quickly. I live in Glasgow. Do I want someone to be making decisions on the welfare of my children when they think it's fun to teach kids how to use a deadly killing machine? He has to go and go quickly.
I live in Glasgow too. And the people who make BIG decisions on the welfare of our children think it's OK to spend £billions on WMD, decide to invade countries on flimsy pretexts, remove basic human rights, etc. But it doesn't mean they can't make sensible decisions on other topics. And just because you teach your children to shoot doesn't mean you are some kind of maniac - in lots of sensible countries (e.g. Norway, Switzerland), it's quite normal.
Posted by: butterfly-y, perth on 2:03pm Thu 7 Aug 08
hometruths. I don't see anyone in the SNP defending this guy. As for the NUmpty Labourites having a go they should be very careful about throwing accusations around. There are not too many in their ranks who would stand up to close scrutiny.
hometruths. I don't see anyone in the SNP defending this guy. As for the NUmpty Labourites having a go they should be very careful about throwing accusations around. There are not too many in their ranks who would stand up to close scrutiny.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 2:06pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]butterfly-y[/bold] wrote:
independencenow - you are a baffoon[/quote] [bold]They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwering! No Sir. Not a bit in the New Scotland. [/bold]
butterfly-y wrote:
independencenow - you are a baffoon
They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwering! No Sir. Not a bit in the New Scotland. Posted by: ron Oliver, edinburgh on 2:09pm Thu 7 Aug 08
as i recall there was a recent photo of Gordon Brown sitting behind a large machine gun in full kit with a daft smile on his face.
having said that i think this elected member should remeber that it is perception that is everything and if he is just perceived as having links with the terroist funded parties in Pakistan he should resign. as for the rate of fire and the size of the magazine it is a bit academic. 30 or 10 rounds, it still goes bang and a bit of metal comes out the end at each pul of the trigger. silly councillor.
as i recall there was a recent photo of Gordon Brown sitting behind a large machine gun in full kit with a daft smile on his face.
having said that i think this elected member should remeber that it is perception that is everything and if he is just perceived as having links with the terroist funded parties in Pakistan he should resign. as for the rate of fire and the size of the magazine it is a bit academic. 30 or 10 rounds, it still goes bang and a bit of metal comes out the end at each pul of the trigger. silly councillor.
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 2:10pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Flaming Sydney!
Not a word from Meriwether about this paragon of the SNP!
As we have had to endure his relentless negative rants about the failings and sleaziness of Labour politicians, particularly on the GCC, his silence on this matter is hilariously.......DE
AFENING!
Flaming Sydney!!
Flaming Sydney!
Not a word from Meriwether about this paragon of the SNP!
As we have had to endure his relentless negative rants about the failings and sleaziness of Labour politicians, particularly on the GCC, his silence on this matter is hilariously.......DE
AFENING!
Flaming Sydney!!
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 2:13pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]butterfly-y[/bold] wrote:
independencenow - you are a baffoon[/quote] [bold]They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwering! No Sir. Not a bit in the New Scotland. [/bold]
butterfly-y wrote:
independencenow - you are a baffoon
They don't like it up 'em, Captain Mainwering! No Sir. Not a bit in the New Scotland. Posted by: Duncan B, Glasgow on 2:20pm Thu 7 Aug 08
What a nasty bigot this man is. No doubt a few years ago he would have been saying thathe Labour party was full of Catholics. Come to think of it, he probally is still saying that.
What a nasty bigot this man is. No doubt a few years ago he would have been saying thathe Labour party was full of Catholics. Come to think of it, he probally is still saying that.
Posted by: paulthescot, Oman on 2:46pm Thu 7 Aug 08
What sort of camp was this he took his children to. Think about that?
What have these people got to offer Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Not a thing but misery. He takes his ill gotten procedes by feeding off the needy and I have no doubt transfers most out of the UK.
This is another man who mistreats our way of life and our freedoms. Total abuse. Also backed by the law.
Go back to Pakistan where your true alegance lies. Leave Glasgow to the true Glaswegians.
What sort of camp was this he took his children to. Think about that?
What have these people got to offer Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Not a thing but misery. He takes his ill gotten procedes by feeding off the needy and I have no doubt transfers most out of the UK.
This is another man who mistreats our way of life and our freedoms. Total abuse. Also backed by the law.
Go back to Pakistan where your true alegance lies. Leave Glasgow to the true Glaswegians.
Posted by: darzo78, glasgow on 2:48pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Excuse my ignorance here for one moment but what illegal act has been commited here?
To be honest i see this as tabloid trash! Give us some real investigative journalism: something like michael crick's exposure of david marshalls expenses. Im starting to find it more difficult to see the difference between the ET and a labour party political broadcast.
Excuse my ignorance here for one moment but what illegal act has been commited here?
To be honest i see this as tabloid trash! Give us some real investigative journalism: something like michael crick's exposure of david marshalls expenses. Im starting to find it more difficult to see the difference between the ET and a labour party political broadcast.
Posted by: Grindero, glasgow on 2:49pm Thu 7 Aug 08
I would love to fire the infamous weapon mentioned above. in a controlled environment I don't see the problem. If it had been with the NRA in the USA would it have been a problem?? Its something to tell the grand kids. I'm more concerned that it takes something like this for us to find out about his more sinister dealings in property!!
I would love to fire the infamous weapon mentioned above. in a controlled environment I don't see the problem. If it had been with the NRA in the USA would it have been a problem?? Its something to tell the grand kids. I'm more concerned that it takes something like this for us to find out about his more sinister dealings in property!!
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 2:49pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Power tends to corrupt ...
Absolute power corrupts absolutely ...
Power tends to corrupt ...
Absolute power corrupts absolutely ...
Posted by: Grindero, glasgow on 2:51pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[What sort of camp was this he took his children to. Think about that?
What have these people got to offer Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Not a thing but misery. He takes his ill gotten procedes by feeding off the needy and I have no doubt transfers most out of the UK.
This is another man who mistreats our way of life and our freedoms. Total abuse. Also backed by the law.
Go back to Pakistan where your true alegance lies. Leave Glasgow to the true Glaswegians.]
you retard!! I wish you had somewhere we could send you!!
you retard!! I wish you had somewhere we could send you!!
Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 2:53pm Thu 7 Aug 08
First of all I am not affiliated to any political party. I am a resident of Govanhill. Proportional representation and tactical voting led to Jangahar Hanif gaining political power to further his own economic and political ambitions.
As an SNP Glasgow City Councillor, he now sits on Glasgow City Council planning Committee. He has been granted planning permission to demolish a listed building in Govanhill to build flats 6 stories high. This has happened despite many objections and the proper process for planning permission for listed buildings being adhered to.
He owns plenty of land in Govanhill. Perhaps he will decide to build a "training camp" on some of his land in Govanhill that is more comvenient for his family and friends.
Also, just as a thought, he may even be given planning permission to demolish Allison St and develop an "attraction" just like the one he took his family to in Kashmir.
First of all I am not affiliated to any political party. I am a resident of Govanhill. Proportional representation and tactical voting led to Jangahar Hanif gaining political power to further his own economic and political ambitions.
As an SNP Glasgow City Councillor, he now sits on Glasgow City Council planning Committee. He has been granted planning permission to demolish a listed building in Govanhill to build flats 6 stories high. This has happened despite many objections and the proper process for planning permission for listed buildings being adhered to.
He owns plenty of land in Govanhill. Perhaps he will decide to build a "training camp" on some of his land in Govanhill that is more comvenient for his family and friends.
Also, just as a thought, he may even be given planning permission to demolish Allison St and develop an "attraction" just like the one he took his family to in Kashmir.
Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 2:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote]In the light of our exclusive revelations today, should [bold]gun-toting[/bold] SNP councillor Jahangir Hanif resign from Glasgow City Council.[/quote]
Nice to see good, impartial journalism. I think the MD of the ET might be getting a call from the PCC. Hint: Taking out those two bolded-up words might save you a small fortune. Please donate my legal consultant's fee to Yorkhill. And give your reporters some basic training for goodness' sake.
In the light of our exclusive revelations today, should gun-toting SNP councillor Jahangir Hanif resign from Glasgow City Council.
Nice to see good, impartial journalism. I think the MD of the ET might be getting a call from the PCC. Hint: Taking out those two bolded-up words might save you a small fortune. Please donate my legal consultant's fee to Yorkhill. And give your reporters some basic training for goodness' sake.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 2:58pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Grindero[/bold] wrote:
[What sort of camp was this he took his children to. Think about that? What have these people got to offer Glasgow, Scotland, UK. Not a thing but misery. He takes his ill gotten procedes by feeding off the needy and I have no doubt transfers most out of the UK. This is another man who mistreats our way of life and our freedoms. Total abuse. Also backed by the law. Go back to Pakistan where your true alegance lies. Leave Glasgow to the true Glaswegians.] you retard!! I wish you had somewhere we could send you!! [/quote] You talkin to me ...
You talkin to me ...
(taxi driver)
Grindero wrote:
you retard!! I wish you had somewhere we could send you!!
You talkin to me ...
You talkin to me ...
(taxi driver)
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 3:01pm Thu 7 Aug 08
This is not a minor issue. This man represents the SNP, whch purports to be an inclusive political party speaking for everyone in Scotland. One of its highest-profile elected members has been shown to have gone to Pakistan and - with a group of his minor children - taken part in lessons in firing automatic assault rifles. That is not illegal in Pakistan. But Pakistan is like the Wild West in many ways - it is an unstable feudal society, frequently under the grip of military rule, with many peole inbolved in dangerous and violent Islamist extremism. Bombings and killings are frequent. This is why so many people seek aslylum here.
If well-off ex-pats choose to return on holiday and let off a few hundred rounds on an AK-47, well that is one thing - stupid, but probably the same kind of thing goes on in holidays to Texas. Yee-haw. But this guy is an elected member. The SNP has actively sought to promote links with Muslim communities and sometimes it has made poor judgements.
Lert's be clear. If somebody was under suspicion for having links to extremists, and he'd gone off to a secret training camp and been trained in thwe use of automatic weapons, and indoctrinated his teenage sons in their use, MI5 would be having words with him. This Councillor is probably not motivated by Islamist extremist ideologies. He seems like a pure capitalist of a kind well known to the people of Glasgow over many years. The laws that we need to protect us againsr the likes of him are not anti-terrorist, but anti-slum landlord and public health laws. He is much more of a danger to himself and his children than he is to the rest of us.
But the SNP and the people of Glasgow would be better off if he were to devote his time and energy to bneing a better landlord and "property developer" than an elected representative on the city council.
This is not a minor issue. This man represents the SNP, whch purports to be an inclusive political party speaking for everyone in Scotland. One of its highest-profile elected members has been shown to have gone to Pakistan and - with a group of his minor children - taken part in lessons in firing automatic assault rifles. That is not illegal in Pakistan. But Pakistan is like the Wild West in many ways - it is an unstable feudal society, frequently under the grip of military rule, with many peole inbolved in dangerous and violent Islamist extremism. Bombings and killings are frequent. This is why so many people seek aslylum here.
If well-off ex-pats choose to return on holiday and let off a few hundred rounds on an AK-47, well that is one thing - stupid, but probably the same kind of thing goes on in holidays to Texas. Yee-haw. But this guy is an elected member. The SNP has actively sought to promote links with Muslim communities and sometimes it has made poor judgements.
Lert's be clear. If somebody was under suspicion for having links to extremists, and he'd gone off to a secret training camp and been trained in thwe use of automatic weapons, and indoctrinated his teenage sons in their use, MI5 would be having words with him. This Councillor is probably not motivated by Islamist extremist ideologies. He seems like a pure capitalist of a kind well known to the people of Glasgow over many years. The laws that we need to protect us againsr the likes of him are not anti-terrorist, but anti-slum landlord and public health laws. He is much more of a danger to himself and his children than he is to the rest of us.
But the SNP and the people of Glasgow would be better off if he were to devote his time and energy to bneing a better landlord and "property developer" than an elected representative on the city council.
Posted by: darzo78, glasgow on 3:02pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Now that the ET are investigating property dealings maybe they would like to expose GCC selling of property in the springburn area, a deprived area, for next to nothing. This company then lets out the property for massive profits. Then there is the other example of GCC letting out an old school building for £50 per year in the royston area to a so called 'charity'. This charity then sub-lets the building makin a tidy profit of £100,000. When some of the tenants cant afford the rents imposed the local labour msp and fellow councillors dont want to know. Oh yeah and if you want to goto the public records office to view the lease-you cant. A one year banning order is imposed so the public cannot rightly view this. Please investigate this ET!
Now that the ET are investigating property dealings maybe they would like to expose GCC selling of property in the springburn area, a deprived area, for next to nothing. This company then lets out the property for massive profits. Then there is the other example of GCC letting out an old school building for £50 per year in the royston area to a so called 'charity'. This charity then sub-lets the building makin a tidy profit of £100,000. When some of the tenants cant afford the rents imposed the local labour msp and fellow councillors dont want to know. Oh yeah and if you want to goto the public records office to view the lease-you cant. A one year banning order is imposed so the public cannot rightly view this. Please investigate this ET!
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 3:21pm Thu 7 Aug 08
A lot of the arguments posted in favour of this gun toting numpty seem to be of a two wrongs make a right variety.
Two wrongs do not make a right. He is an idiot.
Just because other politicians do comparable things does not make it right.
A lot of the arguments posted in favour of this gun toting numpty seem to be of a two wrongs make a right variety.
Two wrongs do not make a right. He is an idiot.
Just because other politicians do comparable things does not make it right.
Posted by: Nammu, Glasgow on 3:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Is is legal to own and shoot guns in other countries you know. If he'd done this in the USA would you all be reacting the same way and calling for his resignation? Or is it just cause he's Asian? Sheesh! This country can be so backward at times.
Is is legal to own and shoot guns in other countries you know. If he'd done this in the USA would you all be reacting the same way and calling for his resignation? Or is it just cause he's Asian? Sheesh! This country can be so backward at times.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 3:55pm Thu 7 Aug 08
It is becoming blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes to see that the snp is allowing the wrong types into power it is bad for britain and bad for scotland. I mean closet terrorists in the snp what next will the herald tell us the snp supported sudan to portray themselves as the protectors of poor africans at their recent muslim conference nobody attended except the usual dupes.
It is becoming blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes to see that the snp is allowing the wrong types into power it is bad for britain and bad for scotland. I mean closet terrorists in the snp what next will the herald tell us the snp supported sudan to portray themselves as the protectors of poor africans at their recent muslim conference nobody attended except the usual dupes.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 3:58pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Yes namu we would if you encourage 5 year olds to fire weapons you deserve a long spell in a cold cell end of story. What the heel sort of country are you from.
Yes namu we would if you encourage 5 year olds to fire weapons you deserve a long spell in a cold cell end of story. What the heel sort of country are you from.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 4:09pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Nammu, undoubtedly there will be some people picking on Cllr. Hanif because he is Asian and Muslim. Some of the other recent comments in response to your own have been borderline racist and no doubt ignorant racists will exploit this story all they can.
But let's not allow his ethnicity and religion to get in the way of the fact that he has committed a number of serious errors of judgement, which call into question his fitness to continue as an elected member on the City Council.
Cllr Hanif is a liability. He's a wealthy man with a posh house in Newton Mearns and a reputation for buying up property on the cheap and doing it up to sell on or letting it out at high rents to poor people from ethnic minorities with little choice. His own kids are clearly so sick of his antics that they have spoken to the press of his dealings in Kashmir, and taking them out to the badlands in vans with blacked out windows to fire automatic rifles.
Playing with guns is legal in Pakistan, but lots of appalling things are legal in Pakistan, especially if you are rich.
He has shown appalling judgement and is an accident waiting to happen. He ought to leave the Council forthwith. Until then, he deserves a nickname - I propose that from now on he is called Jahangir "Bang-Bang" Hanif.
Councillor Bang-Bang.
Nammu, undoubtedly there will be some people picking on Cllr. Hanif because he is Asian and Muslim. Some of the other recent comments in response to your own have been borderline racist and no doubt ignorant racists will exploit this story all they can.
But let's not allow his ethnicity and religion to get in the way of the fact that he has committed a number of serious errors of judgement, which call into question his fitness to continue as an elected member on the City Council.
Cllr Hanif is a liability. He's a wealthy man with a posh house in Newton Mearns and a reputation for buying up property on the cheap and doing it up to sell on or letting it out at high rents to poor people from ethnic minorities with little choice. His own kids are clearly so sick of his antics that they have spoken to the press of his dealings in Kashmir, and taking them out to the badlands in vans with blacked out windows to fire automatic rifles.
Playing with guns is legal in Pakistan, but lots of appalling things are legal in Pakistan, especially if you are rich.
He has shown appalling judgement and is an accident waiting to happen. He ought to leave the Council forthwith. Until then, he deserves a nickname - I propose that from now on he is called Jahangir "Bang-Bang" Hanif.
Councillor Bang-Bang.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 4:16pm Thu 7 Aug 08
And there's another thing. Why hasn't Cllr Bang-Bang sorted out things for Stewart Daniels, the man who lives below the slum flat in Westmoreland-Street? If Cllr Bang-Bang was a real politician trying to stay in power he'd have fixed things. The fact that he hasn't suggests that Cllr Bang-Bang knows his cards are marked and he's given up.
And there's another thing. Why hasn't Cllr Bang-Bang sorted out things for Stewart Daniels, the man who lives below the slum flat in Westmoreland-Street? If Cllr Bang-Bang was a real politician trying to stay in power he'd have fixed things. The fact that he hasn't suggests that Cllr Bang-Bang knows his cards are marked and he's given up.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 4:26pm Thu 7 Aug 08
One more thing - has everyone noticed that all the other SNP high-up folk in Glasgow are keeping very, very quiet about Cllr Bang-Bang? Bashir Ahmad is silent. Not a cheep out of Nicola Sturgeon. John Mason is awfully short of words. The ones that nobody has ever heard of - quiet as mice. Even Osama Saeed hasn't been heard from, which is a first!
One more thing - has everyone noticed that all the other SNP high-up folk in Glasgow are keeping very, very quiet about Cllr Bang-Bang? Bashir Ahmad is silent. Not a cheep out of Nicola Sturgeon. John Mason is awfully short of words. The ones that nobody has ever heard of - quiet as mice. Even Osama Saeed hasn't been heard from, which is a first!
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 4:33pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?
Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?
Posted by: Prudentia, London on 4:48pm Thu 7 Aug 08
How well do you know Pakistan? I don't know it well but have visited it once, which was enough for me to learn that it would be difficult for a westerner to live there for long without substantial personal-security measures. The same applies, I think, to rich people, whether Pakistani or not.
Although I have never had anything to do with guns and find it difficult to conceive of a contextual justification for playing with such a dangerous weapon as the one in question, I think it wrong to rush to judgment.
The councillor needs to be given an opportunity to explain. If his explanation is deemed to be unsatisfactory, he should consider his position.
How well do you know Pakistan? I don't know it well but have visited it once, which was enough for me to learn that it would be difficult for a westerner to live there for long without substantial personal-security measures. The same applies, I think, to rich people, whether Pakistani or not.
Although I have never had anything to do with guns and find it difficult to conceive of a contextual justification for playing with such a dangerous weapon as the one in question, I think it wrong to rush to judgment.
The councillor needs to be given an opportunity to explain. If his explanation is deemed to be unsatisfactory, he should consider his position.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 4:55pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Prudentia. Are you suggesting everyone in Pakistan has their own personal AK47? How do you explain teaching a 6 year old girl (who lived in Glasgow and was on her holidays)to use an assault weapon? You don't need to consult with a team of international experts in order to reach a 'judgment'.
Prudentia. Are you suggesting everyone in Pakistan has their own personal AK47? How do you explain teaching a 6 year old girl (who lived in Glasgow and was on her holidays)to use an assault weapon? You don't need to consult with a team of international experts in order to reach a 'judgment'.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote:
He sounds very naive. I wouldn't let anyone let alone children near a gun. The SNP is anti gun and I believe they would even ban air guns ( I agree) The incident should be investigated by the SNP leadership and an explaination sought from the Councillor However I am totally opposed to witchunts[/quote] OAP
A very intelligent post from you.
I agree fully with all you say.
I would think that their will be a thorough check on this SNP councillors background By the National Party. That should include all his other connections.
For other who have posted on this topic. I shall say the investigation shall be more thorough than what we have seen regards other polititions within a party who are morally corrupt top to bottom.
Lord McBeth a donor for Alexander was also on the E.Commission who said it wasn't in the public interest to take it further.. Although guilty.
For the racist posters you are all a disgrace to my country, Scotland.
If the editorial team are moderating properly some of these posts should be reported to the law.
"OAP thanks for putting a piece of sanity into the topic."
On to you .. Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times.
Please do not close the topic due to the obscenety of quite a few. Just e.mail a copy to Police Headquarters, Pitt Street or Broomloan Road Special unit, Cardonald...
OAP wrote:
He sounds very naive. I wouldn't let anyone let alone children near a gun. The SNP is anti gun and I believe they would even ban air guns ( I agree) The incident should be investigated by the SNP leadership and an explaination sought from the Councillor However I am totally opposed to witchunts
OAP
A very intelligent post from you.
I agree fully with all you say.
I would think that their will be a thorough check on this SNP councillors background By the National Party. That should include all his other connections.
For other who have posted on this topic. I shall say the investigation shall be more thorough than what we have seen regards other polititions within a party who are morally corrupt top to bottom.
Lord McBeth a donor for Alexander was also on the E.Commission who said it wasn't in the public interest to take it further.. Although guilty.
For the racist posters you are all a disgrace to my country, Scotland.
If the editorial team are moderating properly some of these posts should be reported to the law.
"OAP thanks for putting a piece of sanity into the topic."
On to you .. Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times.
Please do not close the topic due to the obscenety of quite a few. Just e.mail a copy to Police Headquarters, Pitt Street or Broomloan Road Special unit, Cardonald...
Posted by: Cwalker, glasgow on 4:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
this country is doomed ....
this country is doomed ....
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 4:58pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Cllr Bang-Bang was given an opportunity to explain about the van with blacked-out windows in the badlands. His explanation is set out in the story -
[quote]"The children were interested in it. I took them to a place in the mountains where you can fire AK-47s. It's not illegal in Pakistan. People in Glasgow have shotguns. I wouldn't give them (the children) a pistol. I don't think all the children fired it."[/quote]
So there we are. Its not illegal in Pakistan, and people in Glasgow have shotguns, and only some of his children who travelled to the training camp in a van with blacked-out windows fired automatic weapons.
Cllr Bang-Bang fired automatic weapons, though, and he is an SNP councillor in Glasgow who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns.
Do you know people in Glasgow with shotguns? If so, the police would presumably like to hear from you.
Cllr Bang-Bang was given an opportunity to explain about the van with blacked-out windows in the badlands. His explanation is set out in the story -
"The children were interested in it. I took them to a place in the mountains where you can fire AK-47s. It's not illegal in Pakistan. People in Glasgow have shotguns. I wouldn't give them (the children) a pistol. I don't think all the children fired it."
So there we are. Its not illegal in Pakistan, and people in Glasgow have shotguns, and only some of his children who travelled to the training camp in a van with blacked-out windows fired automatic weapons.
Cllr Bang-Bang fired automatic weapons, though, and he is an SNP councillor in Glasgow who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns.
Do you know people in Glasgow with shotguns? If so, the police would presumably like to hear from you.
Posted by: RealityChecked, glasgow on 4:59pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?[/quote] The only business Saeed does is that which furthers the cause of Islam.
independencenow wrote:
Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?
The only business Saeed does is that which furthers the cause of Islam.
Posted by: Fuktifino, Glasgow on 5:04pm Thu 7 Aug 08
wasn't he on a hush hush seagull suppression exercise?
wasn't he on a hush hush seagull suppression exercise?
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 5:05pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]puskas[/bold] wrote:
For the racist posters you are all a disgrace to my country, Scotland.[/quote]
Well said. Cllr Bang-Bang is not fit to be a councillor in Glasgow, but that is a consequence of his poor judgement and the poor judgement of those who promoted him as their candidate.
The racists and bigots give him and his allies cover to say that the criticism he is due is being made because of who he is, and not what he has done.
puskas wrote:
For the racist posters you are all a disgrace to my country, Scotland.
Well said. Cllr Bang-Bang is not fit to be a councillor in Glasgow, but that is a consequence of his poor judgement and the poor judgement of those who promoted him as their candidate.
The racists and bigots give him and his allies cover to say that the criticism he is due is being made because of who he is, and not what he has done.
Posted by: Prudentia, London on 5:13pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Independencenow, of course I am not suggesting that anyone other than a person of considerable financal means goes to extreme lengths to ensure his or her personal safety in Pakistan.
To be rich in a Third World country is to be a target. In comparison Glasgow is a walk in the park. If you were to rely on the police to protect you in a Third World country, you would not live very long.
You need to broaden your horizons, my dear fellow.
Independencenow, of course I am not suggesting that anyone other than a person of considerable financal means goes to extreme lengths to ensure his or her personal safety in Pakistan.
To be rich in a Third World country is to be a target. In comparison Glasgow is a walk in the park. If you were to rely on the police to protect you in a Third World country, you would not live very long.
You need to broaden your horizons, my dear fellow.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:18pm Thu 7 Aug 08
simple , point the big gun at mr hanif the councilor and demand he clean up the f**n mess of his property, and hand some money back to his renters who he has been overcharging for years one thousand pounds each maybe appropriate, being the kind hearted person he is i am sure he will agree.
simple , point the big gun at mr hanif the councilor and demand he clean up the f**n mess of his property, and hand some money back to his renters who he has been overcharging for years one thousand pounds each maybe appropriate, being the kind hearted person he is i am sure he will agree.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:25pm Thu 7 Aug 08
by the way i am just telling it like it is even if this joker was big diddy from outer mongolia, so there.!
by the way i am just telling it like it is even if this joker was big diddy from outer mongolia, so there.!
Posted by: trigot, glasgow on 5:33pm Thu 7 Aug 08
I cant believe the hypocrisy of us glasgow folk.Do u think the evening times would find it difficult to find any gun owners in scotland, theres probably one near u somewhere. The truth is , and i was waiting for the catch, there in divorce proceedings ,not surprised the story came out the way it did. In pakistan u can fire guns in that region as its mostly lawless. Did he break any laws, not in scotland, did he kill anyone, no ! However, i do find the motives of any millionaire politician rather shady.
I cant believe the hypocrisy of us glasgow folk.Do u think the evening times would find it difficult to find any gun owners in scotland, theres probably one near u somewhere. The truth is , and i was waiting for the catch, there in divorce proceedings ,not surprised the story came out the way it did. In pakistan u can fire guns in that region as its mostly lawless. Did he break any laws, not in scotland, did he kill anyone, no ! However, i do find the motives of any millionaire politician rather shady.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 5:53pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Can't be bothered reading all thru' the posts again. I poseted earlier and don't know if anyone has posted this since, but he [bold]has[/bold] been suspended from the party pending an investigation.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/glas
gow_and_west/7548023
.stm
Can't be bothered reading all thru' the posts again. I poseted earlier and don't know if anyone has posted this since, but he
has been suspended from the party pending an investigation.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/glas
gow_and_west/7548023
.stm
Posted by: jamesk, glasgow on 5:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
The standard of journalism from the ET seems to have slipped dramatically in recent times as exemplified by this rather sensationalist article. Firstly, to my knowledge Hanif has committed no crime (regardless of what one thinks of guns)in Pakistan. Indeed, if the picture had been taken in America's deep south would many of the readers come to the same conclusion? Take one Muslim councillor add pakistan and a ak47 and that brings about comments of Al Qaida from some people. Perhaps this is what the ET staff wished?
Regarding the issue of Hanif being a "slum landlord" as inaccurately reported by the ET. Anybody who has a modicum of knowledge of property maintenance will know that repairs to the common fabric of the building are a communal repair. It is not the sole responsibility of one person. If he is getting £500 in rent from a family of 5 then what is the crime in that. If he has declared the income as is reported he is paying tax. Moreover, if the property was in a poor condition i am sure that Environmental Services would have already started an ivestigation..which they have not.
The standard of journalism from the ET seems to have slipped dramatically in recent times as exemplified by this rather sensationalist article. Firstly, to my knowledge Hanif has committed no crime (regardless of what one thinks of guns)in Pakistan. Indeed, if the picture had been taken in America's deep south would many of the readers come to the same conclusion? Take one Muslim councillor add pakistan and a ak47 and that brings about comments of Al Qaida from some people. Perhaps this is what the ET staff wished?
Regarding the issue of Hanif being a "slum landlord" as inaccurately reported by the ET. Anybody who has a modicum of knowledge of property maintenance will know that repairs to the common fabric of the building are a communal repair. It is not the sole responsibility of one person. If he is getting £500 in rent from a family of 5 then what is the crime in that. If he has declared the income as is reported he is paying tax. Moreover, if the property was in a poor condition i am sure that Environmental Services would have already started an ivestigation..which they have not.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 6:08pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jamesk[/bold] wrote:
The standard of journalism from the ET seems to have slipped dramatically in recent times as exemplified by this rather sensationalist article. Firstly, to my knowledge Hanif has committed no crime (regardless of what one thinks of guns)in Pakistan. Indeed, if the picture had been taken in America's deep south would many of the readers come to the same conclusion? Take one Muslim councillor add pakistan and a ak47 and that brings about comments of Al Qaida from some people. Perhaps this is what the ET staff wished? Regarding the issue of Hanif being a "slum landlord" as inaccurately reported by the ET. Anybody who has a modicum of knowledge of property maintenance will know that repairs to the common fabric of the building are a communal repair. It is not the sole responsibility of one person. If he is getting £500 in rent from a family of 5 then what is the crime in that. If he has declared the income as is reported he is paying tax. Moreover, if the property was in a poor condition i am sure that Environmental Services would have already started an ivestigation..which they have not. [/quote] [bold]The standard of your moral judgement is lamentable. It would not matter where on Earth such a disgracefull episode occured. You are an appoligist for a slumlord who is not fit to be a parent never mind a Councillor.[/bold]
jamesk wrote:
The standard of journalism from the ET seems to have slipped dramatically in recent times as exemplified by this rather sensationalist article. Firstly, to my knowledge Hanif has committed no crime (regardless of what one thinks of guns)in Pakistan. Indeed, if the picture had been taken in America's deep south would many of the readers come to the same conclusion? Take one Muslim councillor add pakistan and a ak47 and that brings about comments of Al Qaida from some people. Perhaps this is what the ET staff wished? Regarding the issue of Hanif being a "slum landlord" as inaccurately reported by the ET. Anybody who has a modicum of knowledge of property maintenance will know that repairs to the common fabric of the building are a communal repair. It is not the sole responsibility of one person. If he is getting £500 in rent from a family of 5 then what is the crime in that. If he has declared the income as is reported he is paying tax. Moreover, if the property was in a poor condition i am sure that Environmental Services would have already started an ivestigation..which they have not.
The standard of your moral judgement is lamentable. It would not matter where on Earth such a disgracefull episode occured. You are an appoligist for a slumlord who is not fit to be a parent never mind a Councillor. Posted by: Bill, Glasgow on 6:14pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[bold]bold[/bold] For this SNP Councillor JAHANGIR HANIF to take his family over to a Military Style Camp in Pakistan, to learn how to fire AK-47 assault rifles and other weapons.
And as for the houses that he lets out they are slums and in need of repair, and this man is a so called peoples councillor this is not the word i would call him.
First Minister Alex Salmond should Boot him out of the SMP Party, and he should also be Booted of the Glasgow City Council that's what i would do to him, and the people of Glasgow should make sure this happens to him.
For this SNP Councillor JAHANGIR HANIF to take his family over to a Military Style Camp in Pakistan, to learn how to fire AK-47 assault rifles and other weapons.
And as for the houses that he lets out they are slums and in need of repair, and this man is a so called peoples councillor this is not the word i would call him.
First Minister Alex Salmond should Boot him out of the SMP Party, and he should also be Booted of the Glasgow City Council that's what i would do to him, and the people of Glasgow should make sure this happens to him.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 6:22pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Total glory hunter, now hunted out of politics, we all hope. Facts are that those types of guns are for murder, not of sickly calfs or lamb or cattle, they are manufactured for killing people. They portray a thug, not a Scottish local authority councillor. If they had been seen on a farm with a shot gun, then fair play, but I would not expect photographs taken by themselves of that event. Govanhill is not rural... sends a message that guns are for city folks. If the photographs' be genuine then Council Jahangir Hanif, leave now!
Total glory hunter, now hunted out of politics, we all hope. Facts are that those types of guns are for murder, not of sickly calfs or lamb or cattle, they are manufactured for killing people. They portray a thug, not a Scottish local authority councillor. If they had been seen on a farm with a shot gun, then fair play, but I would not expect photographs taken by themselves of that event. Govanhill is not rural... sends a message that guns are for city folks. If the photographs' be genuine then Council Jahangir Hanif, leave now!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:31pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Jamesk - are you saying that a UK politician taking your children in a van with blacked out windows to a training camp in the badlands outside Peshawar to shoot off automatic weapons is a non-story?
By the way - look at the map. Peshawar is only 25 miles from the Afghan border but more like a hundred mles from Kashmir - so if they were having their gunplay near Kashmir this would have been a wee bit more than a day trip. This was a serious day out with the weans in a van with blacked out windows!
Are you saying that the doings of a millionaire Newton Mearns property developer and Glasgow SNP councillor in letting a two bedroom flat to five adults and who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns is a non-story?
Is the breaking news that Cllr Bang-Bang has now been suspended by the SNP as a result of his gun-toting activities a non-story?
How do you know that Environmental Health hasn't started an investigation into possible overcrowding and health and safety issues? If they haven't, they should definitely start!
Listen, Jamesk - whatever else Cllr Bang-Bang is, he is good news value!
Jamesk - are you saying that a UK politician taking your children in a van with blacked out windows to a training camp in the badlands outside Peshawar to shoot off automatic weapons is a non-story?
By the way - look at the map. Peshawar is only 25 miles from the Afghan border but more like a hundred mles from Kashmir - so if they were having their gunplay near Kashmir this would have been a wee bit more than a day trip. This was a serious day out with the weans in a van with blacked out windows!
Are you saying that the doings of a millionaire Newton Mearns property developer and Glasgow SNP councillor in letting a two bedroom flat to five adults and who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns is a non-story?
Is the breaking news that Cllr Bang-Bang has now been suspended by the SNP as a result of his gun-toting activities a non-story?
How do you know that Environmental Health hasn't started an investigation into possible overcrowding and health and safety issues? If they haven't, they should definitely start!
Listen, Jamesk - whatever else Cllr Bang-Bang is, he is good news value!
Posted by: smiley, Bishopbriggs on 6:37pm Thu 7 Aug 08
This councillor takes his family to Kashmir a region of Pakistan which is full of terrorist training camps, and treats it like a visit to Disneyland!!
This councillor takes his family to Kashmir a region of Pakistan which is full of terrorist training camps, and treats it like a visit to Disneyland!!
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Sighthillman - take your chips and put salt and sauce on thenm and take them away.
Sighthillman - take your chips and put salt and sauce on thenm and take them away.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 6:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
perhaps the police should pay hanif a visit and find out who all these shotgun owners are.
perhaps the police should pay hanif a visit and find out who all these shotgun owners are.
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 6:46pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Landlords and guns do not mix.
Landlords and guns do not mix.
Posted by: Yusuf, London on 7:04pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[bold]I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.[/bold]
I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure. Posted by: sighthillman, Glasgow on 7:06pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RealityChecked[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote: Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?[/quote] The only business Saeed does is that which furthers the cause of Islam. [/quote] Well said, this is why we must keep people like him and machine gun Mohammed out of office at any level, one thing is for sure that we will not be having another Sarwar in office and he knows it, it was written all over his face on Glasgow east polling night.
RealityChecked wrote:
independencenow wrote: Osama Saeed not available for a quote? Good grief he must be busy on more important SNP business. I wonder what?
The only business Saeed does is that which furthers the cause of Islam.
Well said, this is why we must keep people like him and machine gun Mohammed out of office at any level, one thing is for sure that we will not be having another Sarwar in office and he knows it, it was written all over his face on Glasgow east polling night.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 7:11pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Yusuf[/bold] wrote:
[bold]I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.[/bold] [/quote] This one is worth repeating. Thank You [bold]YUSUF[/bold] for settting the record straight.
Yusuf wrote:
I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.
This one is worth repeating. Thank You
YUSUF for settting the record straight.
Posted by: Vote UKIP, UK on 7:22pm Thu 7 Aug 08
This is ridiculous. I've been interested in guns since I was a very small child. I began firing combat grade weapons at the age of 14. I then joined the shooting club at university (before Neo Labour Nazi Party came to power in 1997). I've also used guns abroad since then.
All this anti-gun hysteria gets on my nerves. The anti-gun mob are as bad as the climate change/global warming/new ice age mafia.
I've got pictures of me with guns on the web, and I'm proud of that. I'm not ashamed to say that I love firing the H&K MP5 submachine gun.
All legally.
I haven't fired an AK-47, but I would jump at the opportunity!
BTW, I stood in the local elections.
People need to realise that the (criminal)Government has an agenda to disarm its dumbed down public. They see themselves as the ruling elite, while we are no more than ignorant serfs who shouldn't have a say on the Lisbon Treaty.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot et al DISARMED THEIR CITIZENS!
Very few people realise that we have a right to keep guns under our English 1689 Bill of Rights.
Thomas Jefferson: [italic]"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."[/italic] (1764 Letter and speech from Thomas Jefferson)
Just look at gun crime in the UK since Tony B'liar destroyed our country.
This is ridiculous. I've been interested in guns since I was a very small child. I began firing combat grade weapons at the age of 14. I then joined the shooting club at university (before Neo Labour Nazi Party came to power in 1997). I've also used guns abroad since then.
All this anti-gun hysteria gets on my nerves. The anti-gun mob are as bad as the climate change/global warming/new ice age mafia.
I've got pictures of me with guns on the web, and I'm proud of that. I'm not ashamed to say that I love firing the H&K MP5 submachine gun.
All legally.
I haven't fired an AK-47, but I would jump at the opportunity!
BTW, I stood in the local elections.
People need to realise that the (criminal)Government has an agenda to disarm its dumbed down public. They see themselves as the ruling elite, while we are no more than ignorant serfs who shouldn't have a say on the Lisbon Treaty.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Pol Pot et al DISARMED THEIR CITIZENS!
Very few people realise that we have a right to keep guns under our English 1689 Bill of Rights.
Thomas Jefferson:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from Thomas Jefferson)
Just look at gun crime in the UK since Tony B'liar destroyed our country.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 7:27pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]sighthillman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote: Taliban / al queda training camp anyone? Ive always felt the SNP harbour an islamist minority, who would like to see an independance Scotland because that would be easier for islam to digest rather than the whole of Britain.[/quote] This is 100% correct i posted something today regarding this(it was taken off) about various SNP A.K.A SMuslimP members but it was taken off, this E.T story might just get people thinking more about the SNP and its Muslim fasination.[/quote] I agree with this and it is what puts me off supporting the SNP more than anything else.
[bold]I ALSO CONDEMM THE EVENING TIMES FOR ITS HABITUALL CENSORSHIP OF POSTS AND ENTIRE THREADS. THE EVENING TIMES IS UNDEMOCRATIC AND REALLY SHOULD MOVE LOCK STOCK AND BARREL TO CHINA BECAUSE THEY WOULD IN WELL IN SUCH A HIGHLY CENSORED SOCIETY
THE EVENING TIMES NEVER OFFERS ANY EXPLANATION FOR ITS DICTATORIAL BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE IT IS RUN BY PEOPLE WITH A UNDEMOCRATIC MENTALITY[/bold]
sighthillman wrote:
GAW wrote: Taliban / al queda training camp anyone? Ive always felt the SNP harbour an islamist minority, who would like to see an independance Scotland because that would be easier for islam to digest rather than the whole of Britain.
This is 100% correct i posted something today regarding this(it was taken off) about various SNP A.K.A SMuslimP members but it was taken off, this E.T story might just get people thinking more about the SNP and its Muslim fasination.
I agree with this and it is what puts me off supporting the SNP more than anything else.
I ALSO CONDEMM THE EVENING TIMES FOR ITS HABITUALL CENSORSHIP OF POSTS AND ENTIRE THREADS. THE EVENING TIMES IS UNDEMOCRATIC AND REALLY SHOULD MOVE LOCK STOCK AND BARREL TO CHINA BECAUSE THEY WOULD IN WELL IN SUCH A HIGHLY CENSORED SOCIETY
THE EVENING TIMES NEVER OFFERS ANY EXPLANATION FOR ITS DICTATORIAL BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE IT IS RUN BY PEOPLE WITH A UNDEMOCRATIC MENTALITY Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 7:31pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote:
Jamesk - are you saying that a UK politician taking your children in a van with blacked out windows to a training camp in the badlands outside Peshawar to shoot off automatic weapons is a non-story? By the way - look at the map. Peshawar is only 25 miles from the Afghan border but more like a hundred mles from Kashmir - so if they were having their gunplay near Kashmir this would have been a wee bit more than a day trip. This was a serious day out with the weans in a van with blacked out windows! Are you saying that the doings of a millionaire Newton Mearns property developer and Glasgow SNP councillor in letting a two bedroom flat to five adults and who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns is a non-story? Is the breaking news that Cllr Bang-Bang has now been suspended by the SNP as a result of his gun-toting activities a non-story? How do you know that Environmental Health hasn't started an investigation into possible overcrowding and health and safety issues? If they haven't, they should definitely start! Listen, Jamesk - whatever else Cllr Bang-Bang is, he is good news value! [/quote] Interesting that this story hasn't reached the STV news desk at this time...
Breaking News? If correct then as I said the SNP Government will scrutinise the allegations and take the appropriate action.
Unlike the British Labour Party who themselves have been covered in sleaze and alleged misappropriate use of funds ...
I shall also say I agree with your 2nd last paragraph. Lets add to what you say. I would have all registered privately rented flats checked by the inspectors and if the flat/house does not come up to scratch tough punishment in fines (£10,000+) or even jail sentences.
As for some of the replies to me.
Well I do not intend to be drawn into debate by some who use gutter language to express themselves. It says more about them and a lack of what I would call British Labour education failures.
Intending to ridicule others for their opinion actually rebounds on yourselves..
How about a wee bit of investigative journalism from the ET on ex- Labour MP Mr Marshall on his £500,000/£750,000 expenses for the seperate office he never had.. In his case you wouldn't have to leave Glasgow so it should be comparatively easy.
Did this story come from his wife who is going through divorce proceedings?
Regards the rented flats/houses. If proven, the poor condition of them that in itself slould lead to the expulsion from the SNP.
Unlike the grovellers from other political parties who remain MP's /MSP's
Not every revelation printed in the media is actually fact. In the Sports Section over recent months Rangers/Celtic have been about to sign around 100 new players.. It seems many who have posted submissions on this topic are in fantasy land and believe that also..
Let the truth come out and action taken if proven ..
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Jamesk - are you saying that a UK politician taking your children in a van with blacked out windows to a training camp in the badlands outside Peshawar to shoot off automatic weapons is a non-story? By the way - look at the map. Peshawar is only 25 miles from the Afghan border but more like a hundred mles from Kashmir - so if they were having their gunplay near Kashmir this would have been a wee bit more than a day trip. This was a serious day out with the weans in a van with blacked out windows! Are you saying that the doings of a millionaire Newton Mearns property developer and Glasgow SNP councillor in letting a two bedroom flat to five adults and who seems to know people in Glasgow with shotguns is a non-story? Is the breaking news that Cllr Bang-Bang has now been suspended by the SNP as a result of his gun-toting activities a non-story? How do you know that Environmental Health hasn't started an investigation into possible overcrowding and health and safety issues? If they haven't, they should definitely start! Listen, Jamesk - whatever else Cllr Bang-Bang is, he is good news value!
Interesting that this story hasn't reached the STV news desk at this time...
Breaking News? If correct then as I said the SNP Government will scrutinise the allegations and take the appropriate action.
Unlike the British Labour Party who themselves have been covered in sleaze and alleged misappropriate use of funds ...
I shall also say I agree with your 2nd last paragraph. Lets add to what you say. I would have all registered privately rented flats checked by the inspectors and if the flat/house does not come up to scratch tough punishment in fines (£10,000+) or even jail sentences.
As for some of the replies to me.
Well I do not intend to be drawn into debate by some who use gutter language to express themselves. It says more about them and a lack of what I would call British Labour education failures.
Intending to ridicule others for their opinion actually rebounds on yourselves..
How about a wee bit of investigative journalism from the ET on ex- Labour MP Mr Marshall on his £500,000/£750,000 expenses for the seperate office he never had.. In his case you wouldn't have to leave Glasgow so it should be comparatively easy.
Did this story come from his wife who is going through divorce proceedings?
Regards the rented flats/houses. If proven, the poor condition of them that in itself slould lead to the expulsion from the SNP.
Unlike the grovellers from other political parties who remain MP's /MSP's
Not every revelation printed in the media is actually fact. In the Sports Section over recent months Rangers/Celtic have been about to sign around 100 new players.. It seems many who have posted submissions on this topic are in fantasy land and believe that also..
Let the truth come out and action taken if proven ..
Posted by: Sam Clarke, Glasgow on 7:36pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Sighthillman seems to be upset at my removal of his posts.
So let me spell out the rules quite clearly: any comments I judge to be racist, offensive and/ or unduly abusive will be removed.
For further clarification I suggest reading our Ts&Cs.
Removing comments is not something I or my staff do lightly - we are anxious to maintain as free and open a comments section as possible to allow debate.
However, offending posts will be removed without explanation and serial offenders face the risk of having their accounts closed.
Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times
Sighthillman seems to be upset at my removal of his posts.
So let me spell out the rules quite clearly: any comments I judge to be racist, offensive and/ or unduly abusive will be removed.
For further clarification I suggest reading our Ts&Cs.
Removing comments is not something I or my staff do lightly - we are anxious to maintain as free and open a comments section as possible to allow debate.
However, offending posts will be removed without explanation and serial offenders face the risk of having their accounts closed.
Sam Clarke
Online Editor
Evening Times
Posted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 7:41pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Fair enough, Mr Clarke - I accept that I maybe went a wee bit too far. But it is definitely a thought!
Fair enough, Mr Clarke - I accept that I maybe went a wee bit too far. But it is definitely a thought!
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 8:16pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Asturias[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sam Clarke[/bold] wrote: Sighthillman seems to be upset at my removal of his posts. So let me spell out the rules quite clearly: any comments I judge to be racist, offensive and/ or unduly abusive will be removed. For further clarification I suggest reading our Ts&Cs. Removing comments is not something I or my staff do lightly - we are anxious to maintain as free and open a comments section as possible to allow debate. However, offending posts will be removed without explanation and serial offenders face the risk of having their accounts closed. Sam Clarke Online Editor Evening Times[/quote] [bold]YOU DO IT ALL TOO OFTEN WITHOUT EXPLANATION. YOU SHOULD REALISE PEOPLE CAN MAKE COMPARISONS WITH OTHER NEWSPAPER FORUMS AND SEE THAT THE ET IS HEAVY HANDED WHY WAS THE ENTIRE THREAD FROM LAST NIGHTS HEADLINE STORY REMOVED WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION? THE ENTIRE THREAD ? IT IS THE LACK OF EXPLANATION THAT GIVES THE GAME AWAY. YOU HAVE THE MINDSET OF A CHINESE CENSOR. YOU TREAT THE PUBLIC WITH AN ARROGANT DISDAIN. YOU LACK BASIC FAIRNESS AND DECENCY GIVE US FULL EXPLANATIONS NOT GLIB EXCUSES WHEN YOU REMOVE ENTIRE THREADS THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU ARE ALL ABOUT. SHAMEFULL[/bold] [/quote] For someone who has a low opinion of the Evening Times you continue to post,you have aired your views on many occasion on a wide variety of topics.Personally I think the E.T. has been fair and even -handed in it's monitoring of posts,and further they give much more leeway in the expression of views,you only have to look at some of the opinions posted.you mention China in your post, the fact that the times has aired your concerns about censorship speaks volumes for the on-line editorial staff,in china would you get that opportunity ?..
Asturias wrote:
Sam Clarke wrote: Sighthillman seems to be upset at my removal of his posts. So let me spell out the rules quite clearly: any comments I judge to be racist, offensive and/ or unduly abusive will be removed. For further clarification I suggest reading our Ts&Cs. Removing comments is not something I or my staff do lightly - we are anxious to maintain as free and open a comments section as possible to allow debate. However, offending posts will be removed without explanation and serial offenders face the risk of having their accounts closed. Sam Clarke Online Editor Evening Times
YOU DO IT ALL TOO OFTEN WITHOUT EXPLANATION. YOU SHOULD REALISE PEOPLE CAN MAKE COMPARISONS WITH OTHER NEWSPAPER FORUMS AND SEE THAT THE ET IS HEAVY HANDED WHY WAS THE ENTIRE THREAD FROM LAST NIGHTS HEADLINE STORY REMOVED WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION? THE ENTIRE THREAD ? IT IS THE LACK OF EXPLANATION THAT GIVES THE GAME AWAY. YOU HAVE THE MINDSET OF A CHINESE CENSOR. YOU TREAT THE PUBLIC WITH AN ARROGANT DISDAIN. YOU LACK BASIC FAIRNESS AND DECENCY GIVE US FULL EXPLANATIONS NOT GLIB EXCUSES WHEN YOU REMOVE ENTIRE THREADS THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU ARE ALL ABOUT. SHAMEFULL
For someone who has a low opinion of the Evening Times you continue to post,you have aired your views on many occasion on a wide variety of topics.Personally I think the E.T. has been fair and even -handed in it's monitoring of posts,and further they give much more leeway in the expression of views,you only have to look at some of the opinions posted.you mention China in your post, the fact that the times has aired your concerns about censorship speaks volumes for the on-line editorial staff,in china would you get that opportunity ?..
Posted by: stricky, neilston on 8:21pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Get rid of him,Anyone taking their children to a terrorist camp for a day out is not right in the head,they are not shooting for candyfloss,its training.
Get rid of him,Anyone taking their children to a terrorist camp for a day out is not right in the head,they are not shooting for candyfloss,its training.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 8:43pm Thu 7 Aug 08
The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif.
The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum.
The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable.
Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter.
The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif.
The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum.
The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable.
Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 9:00pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Darren Wood[/bold] wrote:
The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif. The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum. The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable. Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter. [/quote] I think YUSUF'S earlier post blows your theory out the water!...
Darren Wood wrote:
The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif. The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum. The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable. Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter.
I think YUSUF'S earlier post blows your theory out the water!...
Posted by: Conclusion Jumper, Paisley on 9:02pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Political correctness is a disease to a democracy that preaches free speech. If i say state my opinions of this man (not just based on this story) i am sure the pc brigade would readily contruse this as racism. People are afraid to speak their minds nw for fear of being branded. Censorship in any shape of form is cowardly, false, and in my own humble opinion not constructive.
Political correctness is a disease to a democracy that preaches free speech. If i say state my opinions of this man (not just based on this story) i am sure the pc brigade would readily contruse this as racism. People are afraid to speak their minds nw for fear of being branded. Censorship in any shape of form is cowardly, false, and in my own humble opinion not constructive.
Posted by: sighthillman, Glasgow on 9:20pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Ok, you are being selective now please explain why as you are responding when you feel like it, perhaps if Sighthillman was Bearsdenman then a response would come, i would be grateful for your response, i would also like the comments by Punchlock removed if that is the game, i have posted on many stories before with no problems , you are being unfair here, free speech, not on the ET
Ok, you are being selective now please explain why as you are responding when you feel like it, perhaps if Sighthillman was Bearsdenman then a response would come, i would be grateful for your response, i would also like the comments by Punchlock removed if that is the game, i have posted on many stories before with no problems , you are being unfair here, free speech, not on the ET
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 9:20pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Darren Wood[/bold] wrote: The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif. The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum. The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable. Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter. [/quote] I think YUSUF'S earlier post blows your theory out the water!...[/quote] No it doesn't.
jrb wrote:
Darren Wood wrote: The councillor has exercised extremely poor judgement and the story merits perhaps some passing mention in the press, however for the ET to splash the story on about half of today's edition descends to the worst type of tabloid sensationalism and smacks of a vendetta against Mr Hanif. The exagerrated and sensationalist coverage panders to the prejudices of those who see muslim asian stereotypes as the justification for their vile racist views. The ET should be ashamed for pandering to these views, which have been predictably evident on this forum. The story seems to be the sad product of a bitter marital dispute. That the ET should use this in their vendetta, or perhaps in an attempt to embaress the SNP, is despicable. Well done ET you truly have sunk into the gutter.
I think YUSUF'S earlier post blows your theory out the water!...
No it doesn't.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 9:38pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Yusuf[/bold] wrote:
[bold]I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.[/bold] [/quote] This is Yusuf's post again it bears repeating.
Just to explain the bit about him saying one thing to moderates and another to extremists : this is allowed in Islam and has often been practiced by Islamic politicians.
The boldest practioner of this was Anwar Al Sadat the former Egyptian President. However there has to be a purpose, it cannot be casual dishonesty.So what is his purpose ?
Yusuf wrote:
I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.
This is Yusuf's post again it bears repeating.
Just to explain the bit about him saying one thing to moderates and another to extremists : this is allowed in Islam and has often been practiced by Islamic politicians.
The boldest practioner of this was Anwar Al Sadat the former Egyptian President. However there has to be a purpose, it cannot be casual dishonesty.So what is his purpose ?
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 9:53pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Well done online editor for leaving my totaly non racist opinion I am all for immigration and better currys, chinese, pizzas you get the drift. What I am not for is the snp mp taking a 250 thousand pound grant and asking the likes of the councillor this story is about how best to spend it. The only surprise is it was not spent on gunpowder merely portraying Sudan as a nice place to live if you are a black non muslim.
Well done online editor for leaving my totaly non racist opinion I am all for immigration and better currys, chinese, pizzas you get the drift. What I am not for is the snp mp taking a 250 thousand pound grant and asking the likes of the councillor this story is about how best to spend it. The only surprise is it was not spent on gunpowder merely portraying Sudan as a nice place to live if you are a black non muslim.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 9:55pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Asturias[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Yusuf[/bold] wrote: [bold]I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.[/bold] [/quote] This is Yusuf's post again it bears repeating. Just to explain the bit about him saying one thing to moderates and another to extremists : this is allowed in Islam and has often been practiced by Islamic politicians. The boldest practioner of this was Anwar Al Sadat the former Egyptian President. However there has to be a purpose, it cannot be casual dishonesty.So what is his purpose ? [/quote] Are you daft or can you not read he wants to make money from property.
Asturias wrote:
Yusuf wrote: I am muslim and a Scottish Pakistani. I can tell you for a fact most Pakistanis in Glasgow do not like or support Jahangir Hanif, infact he is seen as a bit of an idiot of dubious character. He mixes with fundamentalists and agrees with them then when he talks to moderate Scots he agrees with them too, you never know when he is telling the truth. It is illegal to carry AK47's in Pakistan, there is the rule of law there which is not too distant from Scottish Law. This man Hanif gives good honest hard-working Pakistanis a bad name. He has no family values, no business ethics, and no concern for Scottish heritage either. He joined the council to ensure he got planning permission to demolish a Scottish heritage sight to develop his properties on, now he is on the planning committee, go figure.
This is Yusuf's post again it bears repeating. Just to explain the bit about him saying one thing to moderates and another to extremists : this is allowed in Islam and has often been practiced by Islamic politicians. The boldest practioner of this was Anwar Al Sadat the former Egyptian President. However there has to be a purpose, it cannot be casual dishonesty.So what is his purpose ?
Are you daft or can you not read he wants to make money from property.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 9:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Stupid civil servant though he didnt see the credit crunch coming or his own fall from grace.
Stupid civil servant though he didnt see the credit crunch coming or his own fall from grace.
Posted by: Yusuf, London on 10:32pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[italic]From the story it’s clear that the councillor showed no regret or remorse when first questioned about the allegations by the reporters. He only issued an apology when reprimanded by his party leaders. This shows the true character of this man. As per my previous post, he will say anything to anyone get himself accepted or to escape blame, honesty is not his policy, infact he doesn’t seem to hold any genuine moral opinions on anything. Sorry but from what I’ve read about him, heard about him, and discussed with him face to face, this is clearly more than just my opinon, it’s fact.
There have been many reports of people getting injured by guns by accident, let alone in mountainous uneven surroundings where the risks are even with firing very dangerous military firearms. You could quite easily slip, and anything can happen. This does not look like a controlled environment. So even if there are people on this forum who like the idea of shooting guns, ask yourself this:
Would you trust Hanif to take your kids, nieces, nephews, younger siblings, to a place like that and have them fire AK47’s, where they could get harmed?
Would you teach young children to fire AK47’s in this day and age, and take them to training camps? We should be educating children the right way.
The people are not wearing uniforms, why do you think that is? What's he doing in Pakistan now, when he should be representing his ward.
If the councillor is made an example of, so be it. It’s an important example that needs to be made, and a lesson he needs to learn in life too.
ET is bringing issues about parental responsibility, family values, mis-treatment of tenants, rogue landlords like himself taking advantage of homeless people scraping a living by selling the Big Issue and then charging them extortionate rent, destroying heritage sights..etc..etc I think this story is bigger than a party political move, or a marital dispute, or some racial motive.
By putting this on the front page, ET is doing there job effectively, they’re reporting issues that deserve to be brought up. Well done ET, keep up the good work! And as a side note, the SNP have also acted responsibly by suspending him, so it doesn’t look so bad on the SNP either.[/italic]
From the story it’s clear that the councillor showed no regret or remorse when first questioned about the allegations by the reporters. He only issued an apology when reprimanded by his party leaders. This shows the true character of this man. As per my previous post, he will say anything to anyone get himself accepted or to escape blame, honesty is not his policy, infact he doesn’t seem to hold any genuine moral opinions on anything. Sorry but from what I’ve read about him, heard about him, and discussed with him face to face, this is clearly more than just my opinon, it’s fact.
There have been many reports of people getting injured by guns by accident, let alone in mountainous uneven surroundings where the risks are even with firing very dangerous military firearms. You could quite easily slip, and anything can happen. This does not look like a controlled environment. So even if there are people on this forum who like the idea of shooting guns, ask yourself this:
Would you trust Hanif to take your kids, nieces, nephews, younger siblings, to a place like that and have them fire AK47’s, where they could get harmed?
Would you teach young children to fire AK47’s in this day and age, and take them to training camps? We should be educating children the right way.
The people are not wearing uniforms, why do you think that is? What's he doing in Pakistan now, when he should be representing his ward.
If the councillor is made an example of, so be it. It’s an important example that needs to be made, and a lesson he needs to learn in life too.
ET is bringing issues about parental responsibility, family values, mis-treatment of tenants, rogue landlords like himself taking advantage of homeless people scraping a living by selling the Big Issue and then charging them extortionate rent, destroying heritage sights..etc..etc I think this story is bigger than a party political move, or a marital dispute, or some racial motive.
By putting this on the front page, ET is doing there job effectively, they’re reporting issues that deserve to be brought up. Well done ET, keep up the good work! And as a side note, the SNP have also acted responsibly by suspending him, so it doesn’t look so bad on the SNP either. Posted by: fredo, paisley on 10:42pm Thu 7 Aug 08
your right sighthill some clown keeps reporting my non political views some people just cannot debate
your right sighthill some clown keeps reporting my non political views some people just cannot debate
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 10:47pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Racism, that great leveller.
It always raises its head whenever minorities are involved.
To me there seems to be some simple points involved in this story.
1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children.
A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns.
An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only.
[bold]To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century.[/bold]
2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords'
[bold]A hypocrite and slim landlord[/bold] .
To me quite frankly the fact he is Asian is utterly irrelevant.
He is a balloon of the first order and not fit for public office.
Councillor Hanif is my local councillor.
I didn't vote for him - although I am an SNP supporter.
He was obviously a clown (well know fact in all communities in Govanhill).
I have however contacted him 5 times on other issues over the past 4 months and as yet am waiting to get a single reply.
[bold]He should in my opinion resign immediately.[/bold]
Racism, that great leveller.
It always raises its head whenever minorities are involved.
To me there seems to be some simple points involved in this story.
1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children.
A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns.
An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only.
To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century.
2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords'
A hypocrite and slim landlord .
To me quite frankly the fact he is Asian is utterly irrelevant.
He is a balloon of the first order and not fit for public office.
Councillor Hanif is my local councillor.
I didn't vote for him - although I am an SNP supporter.
He was obviously a clown (well know fact in all communities in Govanhill).
I have however contacted him 5 times on other issues over the past 4 months and as yet am waiting to get a single reply.
He should in my opinion resign immediately.
Posted by: Oscar on 10:52pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Doesn't matter culturally where you come from, having kids messing about with an AK47 is just plain wrong. he has to resign. The sooner the better.
[bold]Sam Clarke[/bold] , well done for appearing online, please have a word with your Herald colleague to encourage them to do the same.
Doesn't matter culturally where you come from, having kids messing about with an AK47 is just plain wrong. he has to resign. The sooner the better.
Sam Clarke , well done for appearing online, please have a word with your Herald colleague to encourage them to do the same.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 10:56pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[italic]Posted by: Oscar on 10:52pm today
"Sam Clarke , well done for appearing online, please have a word with your Herald colleague to encourage them to do the same."[/italic]
The sooner the better - just what this forum needs.
The newspaper business is rapidly changing - the ET needs to adapt or fold.
Posted by: Oscar on 10:52pm today
"Sam Clarke , well done for appearing online, please have a word with your Herald colleague to encourage them to do the same."
The sooner the better - just what this forum needs.
The newspaper business is rapidly changing - the ET needs to adapt or fold.
Posted by: Oscar on 11:06pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Stereotype, their website is creaking and groaning its way to a wheezy slumbering death. It must be at least ten years old.
Stereotype, their website is creaking and groaning its way to a wheezy slumbering death. It must be at least ten years old.
Posted by: JC on 11:11pm Thu 7 Aug 08
Interesting to see the, presumably, nat, posters either downplaying this or accusing the paper of a vendetta. I don't recall them showing much mercy to people of a different politcal persuasion over lesser matters. It is a serious matter and it is important to point out the sort of people the nats are attracting to their party, and in the case of this councillor, voting onto their executive committee.
Interesting to see the, presumably, nat, posters either downplaying this or accusing the paper of a vendetta. I don't recall them showing much mercy to people of a different politcal persuasion over lesser matters. It is a serious matter and it is important to point out the sort of people the nats are attracting to their party, and in the case of this councillor, voting onto their executive committee.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 11:13pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Oscar[/bold] wrote:
Stereotype, their website is creaking and groaning its way to a wheezy slumbering death. It must be at least ten years old.[/quote] I know - but things can change.
(I hope)
A new IT team and some imagination we could see a thriving news forum for Glasgow. ET and Herald forums side by side.
Diverse opinions and journalists coming in to cut people down to size.
Sounds like an interesting place to look in on and be drawn to contribute.
Clicks and eyes on the screen means adverts and income.
Would be really sad to ET going down the tubes because they lack just a little sense.
Oscar wrote:
Stereotype, their website is creaking and groaning its way to a wheezy slumbering death. It must be at least ten years old.
I know - but things can change.
(I hope)
A new IT team and some imagination we could see a thriving news forum for Glasgow. ET and Herald forums side by side.
Diverse opinions and journalists coming in to cut people down to size.
Sounds like an interesting place to look in on and be drawn to contribute.
Clicks and eyes on the screen means adverts and income.
Would be really sad to ET going down the tubes because they lack just a little sense.
Posted by: darzo78, glasgow on 11:14pm Thu 7 Aug 08
without distracting from the main story too much I wish to express my opinion to the people commenting on 'slum landlord'. To these people I urge you to goto Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education (HMIe) website and begin to look up some of Glasgow's Schools. Talk about rogue landlords, GCC got a lot to answer to!! Report this please ET!
without distracting from the main story too much I wish to express my opinion to the people commenting on 'slum landlord'. To these people I urge you to goto Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education (HMIe) website and begin to look up some of Glasgow's Schools. Talk about rogue landlords, GCC got a lot to answer to!! Report this please ET!
Posted by: Oscar on 11:23pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[bold]JC[/bold] I'm a Nat, and want to see him gone. No downplaying, he did something incredibly stupid and should go, the sooner the better.
As I said above it doesn't matter where you are culturally, you don't associate kids with AK47's.
[bold]Stereotype[/bold]
They should catch up and start using this:
http://www.webcrossi
ng.com/
You can actually hyperlink from it!!!
JC I'm a Nat, and want to see him gone. No downplaying, he did something incredibly stupid and should go, the sooner the better.
As I said above it doesn't matter where you are culturally, you don't associate kids with AK47's.
Stereotype
They should catch up and start using this:
http://www.webcrossi
ng.com/
You can actually hyperlink from it!!!
Posted by: ThomasTheTank, Scotland on 11:29pm Thu 7 Aug 08
I just cant believe these SNP supporters. Its unbelievable why they would try to defend a SLUM LANDLORD RAT. In Pakistan the GUN and CORRUPTION is the NORM. This is a fact that for some reason no one here wants to talk about. Very few people in Pakistan pay their Taxes. Now getting to the point regarding this man I am horrified he has not been asked to resign. Could you imagine if Tony Blair etc did this ? All HELL would have broken loose with the SNP. I am ASKING AGAIN is the SNP Anti Trade Unionists?
I just cant believe these SNP supporters. Its unbelievable why they would try to defend a SLUM LANDLORD RAT. In Pakistan the GUN and CORRUPTION is the NORM. This is a fact that for some reason no one here wants to talk about. Very few people in Pakistan pay their Taxes. Now getting to the point regarding this man I am horrified he has not been asked to resign. Could you imagine if Tony Blair etc did this ? All HELL would have broken loose with the SNP. I am ASKING AGAIN is the SNP Anti Trade Unionists?
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 11:29pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]darzo78[/bold] wrote:
without distracting from the main story too much I wish to express my opinion to the people commenting on 'slum landlord'. To these people I urge you to goto Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education (HMIe) website and begin to look up some of Glasgow's Schools. Talk about rogue landlords, GCC got a lot to answer to!! Report this please ET![/quote] Do you have a link to the reports you found shocking. This sounds fascinating but there are a lot of reports for Glasgow.
darzo78 wrote:
without distracting from the main story too much I wish to express my opinion to the people commenting on 'slum landlord'. To these people I urge you to goto Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education (HMIe) website and begin to look up some of Glasgow's Schools. Talk about rogue landlords, GCC got a lot to answer to!! Report this please ET!
Do you have a link to the reports you found shocking. This sounds fascinating but there are a lot of reports for Glasgow.
Posted by: sighthillman, Glasgow on 11:48pm Thu 7 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fredo[/bold] wrote:
your right sighthill some clown keeps reporting my non political views some people just cannot debate[/quote] Spot on, i used to post often on ET with no problems, i have not posted for a while but for some reason because a few left wingers do not like what we say then its taken off, the online editor who infact is just a jumped up moderator cannot justify his actions, he has made a few mistakes by clearly being selective to who he responds to and who he takes off the comments board, the left wingers need to learn that just beacause someone speaks out and is not PC it does not mean they are racist, i firmly believe that do gooders are nothing but trouble makers, thankfully most people including the authorities/Police see them for what they are(I am talking from experience).
fredo wrote:
your right sighthill some clown keeps reporting my non political views some people just cannot debate
Spot on, i used to post often on ET with no problems, i have not posted for a while but for some reason because a few left wingers do not like what we say then its taken off, the online editor who infact is just a jumped up moderator cannot justify his actions, he has made a few mistakes by clearly being selective to who he responds to and who he takes off the comments board, the left wingers need to learn that just beacause someone speaks out and is not PC it does not mean they are racist, i firmly believe that do gooders are nothing but trouble makers, thankfully most people including the authorities/Police see them for what they are(I am talking from experience).
Posted by: think, glasgow on 11:51pm Thu 7 Aug 08
darzo78, you are not distracting from the main story, rather you are distracting yourself from your pasttime of windae lickin. away and brush yer goats.
darzo78, you are not distracting from the main story, rather you are distracting yourself from your pasttime of windae lickin. away and brush yer goats.
Posted by: TheView on 12:17am Fri 8 Aug 08
Oh dear oh dear. Had I been the first post on here it would have been to say, "Come on ET, how gullible to you think your readers are?" But it seems I'd have been off the mark. That article is the most blatant teaser piece aimed at envoking exactly the sort of comments from the majority above. Sad. "Blacked out windows", "phone went dead", "they weren't wearing uniform", etc etc etc. Pathetic. Wake up people.........
Oh dear oh dear. Had I been the first post on here it would have been to say, "Come on ET, how gullible to you think your readers are?" But it seems I'd have been off the mark. That article is the most blatant teaser piece aimed at envoking exactly the sort of comments from the majority above. Sad. "Blacked out windows", "phone went dead", "they weren't wearing uniform", etc etc etc. Pathetic. Wake up people.........
Posted by: alfonso, Glasgow on 1:05am Fri 8 Aug 08
This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. [bold]Absolutely shocking![/bold]
This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with.
Absolutely shocking! Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 1:14am Fri 8 Aug 08
[quote][bold]alfonso[/bold] wrote:
This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. [bold]Absolutely shocking![/bold] [/quote] 1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children.
A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns.
An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only.
To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century.
2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords'
A hypocrite and slim landlord .
He should in my opinion resign immediately.
alfonso wrote:
This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. Absolutely shocking!
1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children.
A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns.
An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only.
To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century.
2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords'
A hypocrite and slim landlord .
He should in my opinion resign immediately.
Posted by: Akasha, Glasgow on 8:04am Fri 8 Aug 08
A Gun Toting Slum Landlord. It seems the SNP are not too fussy about who they put forward to represent people now are they
A Gun Toting Slum Landlord. It seems the SNP are not too fussy about who they put forward to represent people now are they
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 8:11am Fri 8 Aug 08
Guns & politics,hmmmn that's a novel idea..As for him being an SNP man well we all know that they aint going anywhere with the independence thing if my local MSP is anything to go by..
Nothing has changed & they are doing what all parties do when they get power & that is blaming the previous party for all their failings."Oh we cant do this cos Labour left us in the mire etc,etc"..By the way im not a labourite..
Guns & politics,hmmmn that's a novel idea..As for him being an SNP man well we all know that they aint going anywhere with the independence thing if my local MSP is anything to go by..
Nothing has changed & they are doing what all parties do when they get power & that is blaming the previous party for all their failings."Oh we cant do this cos Labour left us in the mire etc,etc"..By the way im not a labourite..
Posted by: Oscar on 9:16am Fri 8 Aug 08
Me me me, it's ok. It's not your fault.
Me me me, it's ok. It's not your fault.
Posted by: alfonso, Glasgow on 9:39am Fri 8 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Stereotypical Glaswegian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alfonso[/bold] wrote: This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. [bold]Absolutely shocking![/bold] [/quote] 1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children. A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns. An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only. To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century. 2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords' A hypocrite and slim landlord . He should in my opinion resign immediately. [/quote] I think you are more anti SNP than anything else, having mentioned that he is SNP three times in your two points. I think you also have a personal agenda rather than focusing on whether this man is guilty of any crime.
"Lawless area", could you please provide me with any facts which area it is and what war zone it is near. Pakistani administered Kashmir is not a lawless area nor is it a war zone. Please get your facts in order before you go accusing other nations being "lawless".
Again many people fire guns legally, kids play with toy guns, why don't you blame a political party for that aswell.
You have no facts to deem this individual as guilty in any way.
Stereotypical Glaswegian wrote:
alfonso wrote: This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. Absolutely shocking!
1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children. A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns. An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only. To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century. 2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords' A hypocrite and slim landlord . He should in my opinion resign immediately.
I think you are more anti SNP than anything else, having mentioned that he is SNP three times in your two points. I think you also have a personal agenda rather than focusing on whether this man is guilty of any crime.
"Lawless area", could you please provide me with any facts which area it is and what war zone it is near. Pakistani administered Kashmir is not a lawless area nor is it a war zone. Please get your facts in order before you go accusing other nations being "lawless".
Again many people fire guns legally, kids play with toy guns, why don't you blame a political party for that aswell.
You have no facts to deem this individual as guilty in any way.
Posted by: BH, Paisley on 10:17am Fri 8 Aug 08
I do find all this a bit hypocritical. He should be dragged across the coals for renting out sub-standard accommodation, but here he's not really done anything different to what many public figures do. How many images have we seen of Dubya holding an M16, or Blair or Brown playing with bit of military kit. We had a visit by the very obnoxious Prince Andrew when I was in Kuwait, and he was playing with some of our gear. Would it be different if he played with a captured AK47? I don't think so.
This guy's only "crime" is that he was photographed doing what he did. He had a shot of his host's national firearm. He has not killed or threatened anyone.
Can we please get back to real issues like the state our country is in? I used a knife this morning to butter my toast. I wasn't photographed thank God, but I also never though about plunging the knife into someone, although they are without doubt, the deadliest, readily available weapon in existence. If I had buttered my toast with an AK47 I doubt I'd have gone on a rampage once my belly was full.
I do find all this a bit hypocritical. He should be dragged across the coals for renting out sub-standard accommodation, but here he's not really done anything different to what many public figures do. How many images have we seen of Dubya holding an M16, or Blair or Brown playing with bit of military kit. We had a visit by the very obnoxious Prince Andrew when I was in Kuwait, and he was playing with some of our gear. Would it be different if he played with a captured AK47? I don't think so.
This guy's only "crime" is that he was photographed doing what he did. He had a shot of his host's national firearm. He has not killed or threatened anyone.
Can we please get back to real issues like the state our country is in? I used a knife this morning to butter my toast. I wasn't photographed thank God, but I also never though about plunging the knife into someone, although they are without doubt, the deadliest, readily available weapon in existence. If I had buttered my toast with an AK47 I doubt I'd have gone on a rampage once my belly was full.
Posted by: GBW, Largs on 10:35am Fri 8 Aug 08
Why the uproar?
For SNP TURD insert LabourNewLabourNeoCo
n/Tory Boys & Girls/Liberal(when it suits)Dims/GreensGro
ans and so on and on and on...
Politicians... all shat from the same hole... all shatting over us...
especially the disabled/old/poor/di
sadvantaged...
Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was...
Why the uproar?
For SNP TURD insert LabourNewLabourNeoCo
n/Tory Boys & Girls/Liberal(when it suits)Dims/GreensGro
ans and so on and on and on...
Politicians... all shat from the same hole... all shatting over us...
especially the disabled/old/poor/di
sadvantaged...
Same as it ever was... Same as it ever was...
Posted by: Yusuf, London on 11:23am Fri 8 Aug 08
Councillors are supposed to set an example. They make decisions regarding community issues concerning housing, schools, hospitals, crime, business etc. Mr Hanif can not be taken seriously for any of these matters. So he should do the right thing and step down, and stop wasting everyones time.
Councillors are supposed to set an example. They make decisions regarding community issues concerning housing, schools, hospitals, crime, business etc. Mr Hanif can not be taken seriously for any of these matters. So he should do the right thing and step down, and stop wasting everyones time.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 11:44am Fri 8 Aug 08
[quote][bold]BH[/bold] wrote:
I do find all this a bit hypocritical. He should be dragged across the coals for renting out sub-standard accommodation, but here he's not really done anything different to what many public figures do. How many images have we seen of Dubya holding an M16, or Blair or Brown playing with bit of military kit. We had a visit by the very obnoxious Prince Andrew when I was in Kuwait, and he was playing with some of our gear. Would it be different if he played with a captured AK47? I don't think so. This guy's only "crime" is that he was photographed doing what he did. He had a shot of his host's national firearm. He has not killed or threatened anyone. Can we please get back to real issues like the state our country is in? I used a knife this morning to butter my toast. I wasn't photographed thank God, but I also never though about plunging the knife into someone, although they are without doubt, the deadliest, readily available weapon in existence. If I had buttered my toast with an AK47 I doubt I'd have gone on a rampage once my belly was full.[/quote] BH. He was teaching children including a wean aged 5 how to operate an assault rife whose sole purpose is to kill as many people as possible. Does that make him a fit and proper person to be an elected member in Glasgow? A person to make decisions over facilities for vulnerable children? A person to support calls for the ban of air guns in Scotland?
You say no crime was committed - that's not the point as it's about a gross and complete lack of judgment - however, it is not yet clear whether Cllr Hanif did or did not break Pakistani law.
The lawful use of firearms requires a licence in Pakistan. Did Cllr Hanif have a licence to use a AK47 at the military style camp he visited on a temporary basis? Did he have a licence for a 5 year old child to fire this assault weapon? If not, then the law could well have been broken - Cllr Hanif will have to provide urgent answers and evidence to those questions as soon as he returns to Glasgow.
BH wrote:
I do find all this a bit hypocritical. He should be dragged across the coals for renting out sub-standard accommodation, but here he's not really done anything different to what many public figures do. How many images have we seen of Dubya holding an M16, or Blair or Brown playing with bit of military kit. We had a visit by the very obnoxious Prince Andrew when I was in Kuwait, and he was playing with some of our gear. Would it be different if he played with a captured AK47? I don't think so. This guy's only "crime" is that he was photographed doing what he did. He had a shot of his host's national firearm. He has not killed or threatened anyone. Can we please get back to real issues like the state our country is in? I used a knife this morning to butter my toast. I wasn't photographed thank God, but I also never though about plunging the knife into someone, although they are without doubt, the deadliest, readily available weapon in existence. If I had buttered my toast with an AK47 I doubt I'd have gone on a rampage once my belly was full.
BH. He was teaching children including a wean aged 5 how to operate an assault rife whose sole purpose is to kill as many people as possible. Does that make him a fit and proper person to be an elected member in Glasgow? A person to make decisions over facilities for vulnerable children? A person to support calls for the ban of air guns in Scotland?
You say no crime was committed - that's not the point as it's about a gross and complete lack of judgment - however, it is not yet clear whether Cllr Hanif did or did not break Pakistani law.
The lawful use of firearms requires a licence in Pakistan. Did Cllr Hanif have a licence to use a AK47 at the military style camp he visited on a temporary basis? Did he have a licence for a 5 year old child to fire this assault weapon? If not, then the law could well have been broken - Cllr Hanif will have to provide urgent answers and evidence to those questions as soon as he returns to Glasgow.
Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 12:03pm Fri 8 Aug 08
let me explain, wealth and political power has allowed Hanif to be a law unto himself. He can even make up the rules for having B Listed buildings in Govanhill demolished without adhering to the correct process.
let me explain, wealth and political power has allowed Hanif to be a law unto himself. He can even make up the rules for having B Listed buildings in Govanhill demolished without adhering to the correct process.
Posted by: Paul MacDonald on 12:31pm Fri 8 Aug 08
I wish he had let his family run amok with the guns in a packed city chambers.We would be better off without the lot of them.
I wish he had let his family run amok with the guns in a packed city chambers.We would be better off without the lot of them.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:49pm Fri 8 Aug 08
a word of advise to our councillor hanif, do not touch guns, the simple reason is, if anyone injures or even kills someone with the same gun then how are you going to explain your fingerprints on it, now your photo is taken handling it....how would you know that there might be a couple of these kalashnikof guns and they already have been used and done some damage? right now i would not like to take a risk by even considering being in a military camp unless i was of military personel, do not put yourself in more conflicting positions, clear up your mess here in scotland and clear your name.
a word of advise to our councillor hanif, do not touch guns, the simple reason is, if anyone injures or even kills someone with the same gun then how are you going to explain your fingerprints on it, now your photo is taken handling it....how would you know that there might be a couple of these kalashnikof guns and they already have been used and done some damage? right now i would not like to take a risk by even considering being in a military camp unless i was of military personel, do not put yourself in more conflicting positions, clear up your mess here in scotland and clear your name.
Posted by: GlaswegianMo, Glasgow on 2:53pm Fri 8 Aug 08
[bold]If it was a military camp they would be wearing military uniforms, this needs to be investigated. MI5 should look at this video, where it was made, looks sinister. Also, worth noting, is that this foolish councillor has been campaigning agains violent crime. And the reason he sees only some of his kids through a 'Mediation service' (i.e. with adult supervised) is because he has been violent with them in the past and investigated by social services. Mediation centres are there where courts deemed that adult supervision is necessary for parents to see their children. He should resign, sort out all his mess, get 'Counselling', and if in some years down the line he becomes fit for elected office, then resume his political ambitions then.[/bold]
If it was a military camp they would be wearing military uniforms, this needs to be investigated. MI5 should look at this video, where it was made, looks sinister. Also, worth noting, is that this foolish councillor has been campaigning agains violent crime. And the reason he sees only some of his kids through a 'Mediation service' (i.e. with adult supervised) is because he has been violent with them in the past and investigated by social services. Mediation centres are there where courts deemed that adult supervision is necessary for parents to see their children. He should resign, sort out all his mess, get 'Counselling', and if in some years down the line he becomes fit for elected office, then resume his political ambitions then. Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 4:45pm Fri 8 Aug 08
[quote][bold]alfonso[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Stereotypical Glaswegian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alfonso[/bold] wrote: This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. [bold]Absolutely shocking![/bold] [/quote] 1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children. A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns. An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only. To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century. 2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords' A hypocrite and slim landlord . He should in my opinion resign immediately. [/quote] I think you are more anti SNP than anything else, having mentioned that he is SNP three times in your two points. I think you also have a personal agenda rather than focusing on whether this man is guilty of any crime.
"Lawless area", could you please provide me with any facts which area it is and what war zone it is near. Pakistani administered Kashmir is not a lawless area nor is it a war zone. Please get your facts in order before you go accusing other nations being "lawless".
Again many people fire guns legally, kids play with toy guns, why don't you blame a political party for that aswell.
You have no facts to deem this individual as guilty in any way. [/quote] [bold][bold]Fact One[/bold] : I am an SNP supporter and voter
Fact Two[/bold] :The SNP are engaged in a desperate process to court Muslim voters. They have lacked judgement and overview.
[bold]Fact Three[/bold] : To question is the area where Hanif was assisting his 5 year old child to fire an AK47 as being lawless is to negate the opinion of the Pakistani Government, Afghan Government, UK Foreign Office, The BBC and all independent reporters. It is the area where Muslims train to fight and kill Uk forces.
[bold]Fact Four[/bold] : Indeed people fire guns and children play with toy guns. They do not go on family activity holidays to fire AK47s near to war zones. Perhaps Butlins might be starting such activities in Skegness or Troon.
[bold]You are confusing the SNP with this clown - I and most other people don't think they are the same thing — why do you?[/bold]
alfonso wrote:
Stereotypical Glaswegian wrote:
alfonso wrote: This is absolute tabloid trash. In my view his reputation has been unjustly tarnished by a politically motivated piece of journalism. Mr.Hanif has done nothing illegal and should not made to look so. Forget an AK, I would love to fire a bazooka into open air. Does that make me a terrorist? This piece of news is something you would expect fox news to come out with. Absolutely shocking!
1. An SNP councillor thought it appropriate to visit a lawless area near to a war zone where Scottish soldiers are fighting to fire AK47's with his small children. A key policy of the SNP is banning air guns. An AK47 is a killing machine with one purpose only. To describe that as poor judgement is the understatement of the century. 2. This same SNP councillor is a landlord renting out sub-standard properties to economic migrant. At the same time he is campaigning on the issue of 'slum landlords' A hypocrite and slim landlord . He should in my opinion resign immediately.
I think you are more anti SNP than anything else, having mentioned that he is SNP three times in your two points. I think you also have a personal agenda rather than focusing on whether this man is guilty of any crime.
"Lawless area", could you please provide me with any facts which area it is and what war zone it is near. Pakistani administered Kashmir is not a lawless area nor is it a war zone. Please get your facts in order before you go accusing other nations being "lawless".
Again many people fire guns legally, kids play with toy guns, why don't you blame a political party for that aswell.
You have no facts to deem this individual as guilty in any way.
Fact One : I am an SNP supporter and voter
Fact Two :The SNP are engaged in a desperate process to court Muslim voters. They have lacked judgement and overview.
Fact Three : To question is the area where Hanif was assisting his 5 year old child to fire an AK47 as being lawless is to negate the opinion of the Pakistani Government, Afghan Government, UK Foreign Office, The BBC and all independent reporters. It is the area where Muslims train to fight and kill Uk forces.
Fact Four : Indeed people fire guns and children play with toy guns. They do not go on family activity holidays to fire AK47s near to war zones. Perhaps Butlins might be starting such activities in Skegness or Troon.
You are confusing the SNP with this clown - I and most other people don't think they are the same thing — why do you? Posted by: trench, possilpark on 6:38pm Fri 8 Aug 08
i looked up the dictionary and searched for military....pertaini
ng to soldiers, there is some radicals who do training and do not wear uniforms, i watch tv and see rag tag people holding these kalashnikov guns....no shoes...but guns, soumfin strange there dont ya think?
i looked up the dictionary and searched for military....pertaini
ng to soldiers, there is some radicals who do training and do not wear uniforms, i watch tv and see rag tag people holding these kalashnikov guns....no shoes...but guns, soumfin strange there dont ya think?
Posted by: Peter Dow, Aberdeen on 3:20pm Sat 9 Aug 08
The question I am raising about this story is why does a Scot have to go to Pakistan in order to teach the military basics to his children?
Why aren't more Scots trained in the military basics? Why are military cadets common in Scottish private schools but rarely seen in Scottish comprehensive schools?
Why are the rich elite routinely taught the military basics but most working class and middle class pupils with officer potential - steered well away from guns?
Why do royalist parties like the SNP frown upon most Scots learning how to defend themselves but are content to leave it to the rich elite to run the military?
Because royalists like the SNP take the same view as royalist elites everywhere under the Queen - that defence of the country means defence of royalist privileges against the rights of ordinary people, who might well demand a republic and fair shares if they ever got their hands on the guns with the military skills to know how to use them.
So whereas the royalists do want cannon fodder enlisted men from the comprehensives, they most definitely do not want a whole load of officer-class comprehensively educated citizens taking charge of the military.
Republicans take a different view - the people must have a well regulated militia to defend themselves against the abuse of state power and the criminal class.
Well did you get taught the military basics at school? Did your comprehensive school have a shooting range as one of its sports facilities? No, thought not. Mine neither. Swimming pool, football field, running track, basketball hall - yes, because you can't overthrow the Queen and establish a republic using those skills, not like you can if you have military skills and a militia to join.
Once a week do you remember a significant proportion of the pupils in your school leaving fully-dressed in military-style clothing as they were heading off to after-school military cadet classes? No? We never saw that at our comprehensive school either - but it is an common sight at many private fee-paying schools.
Did you get regular recruitment visits and talks from local army cadets - to join and learn military skills while you were still at school? Or was the only mention of the military being an option for school-leavers who didn't do well in academic subjects?
The army's officer class has a disproportionate recruitment from private schools. The enlisted soldiers tend to come more from the comprehensives. Hence you hear words like "Rupert" being used by the enlisted soldiers to refer to your typical private school educated officer.
However my point is really about the military skills in the most of the population, most of which are educated at a comprehensive, state-run school. Military training is not hard-wired into the state schools ethos in the way it is in a private school.
You need to remember that the proportion of people who make a full time career in the military is very small - but the proportion of pupils in private schools who get basic military training via cadets and shooting sports is much higher than it is in comprehensive schools.
Sure the army is full of enlisted men and women educated at comprehensive schools.
But the comprehensive schools are not full of pupils educated by the army - not in the same way as private schools are - that is my point.
This is because of a decision by the government as advised by royalist officials - and the advice is the same whether it is a Labour, SNP or Tory government in power - DON'T GIVE BASIC MILITARY TRAINING TO THE GENERAL POPULATION - AND DON'T HAVE A LARGE CITIZEN'S MILITIA WHICH COULD CHALLENGE FOR STATE POWER.
Thus the logic of the difference in military education between the two schooling systems is the same and by the same people - the royalist rich elite ("the ruling class" as Marxists would say) - the elite want their class to be very familiar with weapons even if they go on to be city-bankers, running multinationals or the running the civil service - they most certainly do not want your average working class or middle-class citizen to have military skills with which to threaten an abusive royalist state, like the UK.
It makes no difference even when you get a Labour government - because Tony Blair and Gordon Brown went to elite schools, and support the logic of keeping power in the hands of an elite and not allowing genuine people-power which arises if the population is able to defend itself against the state or against criminals.
The other bad news is that having a defenceless population which must rely on the police for any defence - and the small numbers of police mean they can't be everywhere at all times, means that life is made very easy for the criminal class. Crime soars and the people suffer high crime rates - well most people suffer except if you are one of the rich elite and live out in a country home with high walls or other security measures and you have your own rifle or shotgun to take out burglars and the like. For them - crime is no problem.
Now it is different in republics like the USA and Switzerland - where owning a gun and having basic military or shooting skills for self-defence is part of the accepted ways of running the country - there only the criminal class is legally prevented from owning weapons.
I am not necessarily arguing for private ownership of firearms - we have seen in the US a lot more deaths due to firearms accidents and use in crime. But I see no reason why there cannot be well defended local armouries in communities as frequent as schools or community centres or sports fields are.
I think I would support and advise social ownership of weapons - to make sure that for example, no drunk ever got their hands on a firearm - and guns could not be used in neighbour disputes, for crime and so on.
A citizen's militia could be used to defend basic constitutional rights - to demand the release of political leaders jailed for political motives on the part of the judiciary. Or to demand that parliament is dissolved early and a new election called when the government becomes very unpopular. Or to demand that a bad chief constable is sacked. Or to demand that fascists are not allowed to march in your area. Or to stand up to local drug-dealers who have guns illegally. That kind of thing.
- Peter Dow
Scottish National Standard Bearer
http://scot.bravehos
t.com
Debate this further on the For Freedom Forums -
http://scot.bravehos
t.com/ofp.htm?t=44
The question I am raising about this story is why does a Scot have to go to Pakistan in order to teach the military basics to his children?
Why aren't more Scots trained in the military basics? Why are military cadets common in Scottish private schools but rarely seen in Scottish comprehensive schools?
Why are the rich elite routinely taught the military basics but most working class and middle class pupils with officer potential - steered well away from guns?
Why do royalist parties like the SNP frown upon most Scots learning how to defend themselves but are content to leave it to the rich elite to run the military?
Because royalists like the SNP take the same view as royalist elites everywhere under the Queen - that defence of the country means defence of royalist privileges against the rights of ordinary people, who might well demand a republic and fair shares if they ever got their hands on the guns with the military skills to know how to use them.
So whereas the royalists do want cannon fodder enlisted men from the comprehensives, they most definitely do not want a whole load of officer-class comprehensively educated citizens taking charge of the military.
Republicans take a different view - the people must have a well regulated militia to defend themselves against the abuse of state power and the criminal class.
Well did you get taught the military basics at school? Did your comprehensive school have a shooting range as one of its sports facilities? No, thought not. Mine neither. Swimming pool, football field, running track, basketball hall - yes, because you can't overthrow the Queen and establish a republic using those skills, not like you can if you have military skills and a militia to join.
Once a week do you remember a significant proportion of the pupils in your school leaving fully-dressed in military-style clothing as they were heading off to after-school military cadet classes? No? We never saw that at our comprehensive school either - but it is an common sight at many private fee-paying schools.
Did you get regular recruitment visits and talks from local army cadets - to join and learn military skills while you were still at school? Or was the only mention of the military being an option for school-leavers who didn't do well in academic subjects?
The army's officer class has a disproportionate recruitment from private schools. The enlisted soldiers tend to come more from the comprehensives. Hence you hear words like "Rupert" being used by the enlisted soldiers to refer to your typical private school educated officer.
However my point is really about the military skills in the most of the population, most of which are educated at a comprehensive, state-run school. Military training is not hard-wired into the state schools ethos in the way it is in a private school.
You need to remember that the proportion of people who make a full time career in the military is very small - but the proportion of pupils in private schools who get basic military training via cadets and shooting sports is much higher than it is in comprehensive schools.
Sure the army is full of enlisted men and women educated at comprehensive schools.
But the comprehensive schools are not full of pupils educated by the army - not in the same way as private schools are - that is my point.
This is because of a decision by the government as advised by royalist officials - and the advice is the same whether it is a Labour, SNP or Tory government in power - DON'T GIVE BASIC MILITARY TRAINING TO THE GENERAL POPULATION - AND DON'T HAVE A LARGE CITIZEN'S MILITIA WHICH COULD CHALLENGE FOR STATE POWER.
Thus the logic of the difference in military education between the two schooling systems is the same and by the same people - the royalist rich elite ("the ruling class" as Marxists would say) - the elite want their class to be very familiar with weapons even if they go on to be city-bankers, running multinationals or the running the civil service - they most certainly do not want your average working class or middle-class citizen to have military skills with which to threaten an abusive royalist state, like the UK.
It makes no difference even when you get a Labour government - because Tony Blair and Gordon Brown went to elite schools, and support the logic of keeping power in the hands of an elite and not allowing genuine people-power which arises if the population is able to defend itself against the state or against criminals.
The other bad news is that having a defenceless population which must rely on the police for any defence - and the small numbers of police mean they can't be everywhere at all times, means that life is made very easy for the criminal class. Crime soars and the people suffer high crime rates - well most people suffer except if you are one of the rich elite and live out in a country home with high walls or other security measures and you have your own rifle or shotgun to take out burglars and the like. For them - crime is no problem.
Now it is different in republics like the USA and Switzerland - where owning a gun and having basic military or shooting skills for self-defence is part of the accepted ways of running the country - there only the criminal class is legally prevented from owning weapons.
I am not necessarily arguing for private ownership of firearms - we have seen in the US a lot more deaths due to firearms accidents and use in crime. But I see no reason why there cannot be well defended local armouries in communities as frequent as schools or community centres or sports fields are.
I think I would support and advise social ownership of weapons - to make sure that for example, no drunk ever got their hands on a firearm - and guns could not be used in neighbour disputes, for crime and so on.
A citizen's militia could be used to defend basic constitutional rights - to demand the release of political leaders jailed for political motives on the part of the judiciary. Or to demand that parliament is dissolved early and a new election called when the government becomes very unpopular. Or to demand that a bad chief constable is sacked. Or to demand that fascists are not allowed to march in your area. Or to stand up to local drug-dealers who have guns illegally. That kind of thing.
- Peter Dow
Scottish National Standard Bearer
http://scot.bravehos
t.com
Debate this further on the For Freedom Forums -
http://scot.bravehos
t.com/ofp.htm?t=44
Posted by: juster, Canada on 4:27am Wed 27 Aug 08
I fired AKs in the British army. Good to see the totalitarians crying at the thought of someone with a gun other than Big Brother.
I fired AKs in the British army. Good to see the totalitarians crying at the thought of someone with a gun other than Big Brother.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 4:13pm Mon 1 Sep 08
The [bold]SNP[/bold] are [bold]ANTI TRADE UNIONISTS[/bold] . The [bold]SNP NEEDS[/bold] Foreigners Votes for Independence. Glasgow’s Working Class People are [bold]AGAINST Slum Landlords !![/bold] West Dumbartonshire Council Staff and Their Families are [bold]Against SNP[/bold] Anti Equal Pay Employers.
[bold]THE SNP[/bold] have disgraced working class people of Glasgow.
The
SNP are
ANTI TRADE UNIONISTS . The
SNP NEEDS Foreigners Votes for Independence. Glasgow’s Working Class People are
AGAINST Slum Landlords !! West Dumbartonshire Council Staff and Their Families are
Against SNP Anti Equal Pay Employers.
THE SNP have disgraced working class people of Glasgow.
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 5:44pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Monday 1st September. Why have the comments on today's article about this councillor been removed? Earlier on today there were a considerable number of comments listed but they have now been entirely deleted. I wonder why?
Monday 1st September. Why have the comments on today's article about this councillor been removed? Earlier on today there were a considerable number of comments listed but they have now been entirely deleted. I wonder why?
Posted by: C.S., Glasgow on 10:14pm Mon 1 Sep 08
How many Troops has the UK in the middle east armed with guns?
What of the UK selling Sadam a super gun?
What about UK arms fairs that puts AK47s in African children's hands!
What about shooting gala's in the USA where tourists can get to fire a mini guns for 100 bucks?
What about the UK allowing people like Thomas Hamilton to run a all boys UK boot camp then allowed to kill children in a Dunblane school.
What about armed UK police killing a Scotsman for carrying a table leg in a plastic bag?
What about ex IRA who are recognised as politicians by the UK?
What about the Brazilian lad shot 8 times in the face on the London tube?
What about UK Michael Ryan on his killing spree in Hungerford?
What about UK lies about Weapons of mass destruction and all the death that's bringing about?
Never mind the SNP councillor doing what he's perfectly legally entitled to do in Pakistan. The AK47 is seen as tool in the middle east. Guns in the USA out number their own popultion and i don't hear any complaints in spite of all the school spree killings!
Drop the SNP bashing and deal with the real SCOTTISH issues. Looking at some of your idiotic posts i can see why the SNP are so popular.
How many Troops has the UK in the middle east armed with guns?
What of the UK selling Sadam a super gun?
What about UK arms fairs that puts AK47s in African children's hands!
What about shooting gala's in the USA where tourists can get to fire a mini guns for 100 bucks?
What about the UK allowing people like Thomas Hamilton to run a all boys UK boot camp then allowed to kill children in a Dunblane school.
What about armed UK police killing a Scotsman for carrying a table leg in a plastic bag?
What about ex IRA who are recognised as politicians by the UK?
What about the Brazilian lad shot 8 times in the face on the London tube?
What about UK Michael Ryan on his killing spree in Hungerford?
What about UK lies about Weapons of mass destruction and all the death that's bringing about?
Never mind the SNP councillor doing what he's perfectly legally entitled to do in Pakistan. The AK47 is seen as tool in the middle east. Guns in the USA out number their own popultion and i don't hear any complaints in spite of all the school spree killings!
Drop the SNP bashing and deal with the real SCOTTISH issues. Looking at some of your idiotic posts i can see why the SNP are so popular.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:26am Tue 2 Sep 08
councillor bang bang....hanif,take a hint from the tokyo japan prime minister,yasuo fukuda, and resign, reason being?.....he was immensely unpopular, the new minister taking over is taro aso (real names),the money spent on your bang, bang trip could have been used to refurbish your rented flats,a question that needs to be asked is....is this foreigner legal?did he really swear an oath?....and really mean it?,lots of things need to be asked and answers given,pakistani mafia ?....got a nice ring to it.ha ha.
councillor bang bang....hanif,take a hint from the tokyo japan prime minister,yasuo fukuda, and resign, reason being?.....he was immensely unpopular, the new minister taking over is taro aso (real names),the money spent on your bang, bang trip could have been used to refurbish your rented flats,a question that needs to be asked is....is this foreigner legal?did he really swear an oath?....and really mean it?,lots of things need to be asked and answers given,pakistani mafia ?....got a nice ring to it.ha ha.
Posted by: Shabeer, Edinburgh on 1:07pm Tue 2 Sep 08
[bold]Unfortunately SNP have shown they don't have the courage to enforce strict discipline within their party, can they really make the tough decisions that are needed to run a country? They have tried to please everyone. They've punished Hanif lightly, obviously his been a major nuisance to them, and the complaints originated from leading SNP members like Duncan Ross (National Secretary) and others. After all the continued bad publicity Hanif gives them, Im sure they want him out, but dont want to risk a backlash from the muslim community. I think this is a miscalculation on there part, because no one significant from the scottish muslim community has come out in his favour, infact he is usually criticised by asian muslim community leaders. They don't like him either. In anycase it seems like the beginning of the end of Hanifs political career, there's far too much sleaze around him, which keeps tarnishing the parties image. If its not gun toting, its offensive leaflet distribution, or being a rogue landlord, or being the subject of complaints to the health care commission on mistreatment of the elderly in his nursing home... If he had any dignity and humility, he would step down and let someone competent take his position... but my impression of this man is he will stay on, hang around like a bad smell, and continue to annoy everyone and waste the time of SNP members who want to get on with doing the job they were elected to do.[/bold]
Unfortunately SNP have shown they don't have the courage to enforce strict discipline within their party, can they really make the tough decisions that are needed to run a country? They have tried to please everyone. They've punished Hanif lightly, obviously his been a major nuisance to them, and the complaints originated from leading SNP members like Duncan Ross (National Secretary) and others. After all the continued bad publicity Hanif gives them, Im sure they want him out, but dont want to risk a backlash from the muslim community. I think this is a miscalculation on there part, because no one significant from the scottish muslim community has come out in his favour, infact he is usually criticised by asian muslim community leaders. They don't like him either. In anycase it seems like the beginning of the end of Hanifs political career, there's far too much sleaze around him, which keeps tarnishing the parties image. If its not gun toting, its offensive leaflet distribution, or being a rogue landlord, or being the subject of complaints to the health care commission on mistreatment of the elderly in his nursing home... If he had any dignity and humility, he would step down and let someone competent take his position... but my impression of this man is he will stay on, hang around like a bad smell, and continue to annoy everyone and waste the time of SNP members who want to get on with doing the job they were elected to do.
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