Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 10:56am Mon 11 Aug 08
When the secondary school is in, these pervos harass the schoolgirls, according to a family member. Good to see somebody campaigning against it.
When the secondary school is in, these pervos harass the schoolgirls, according to a family member. Good to see somebody campaigning against it.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:07am Mon 11 Aug 08
My brother was jumped on by 2 junkies from peter mccann hoose few yr ago .he was taking a call from his sis that his mum just passed away in Hospital which he had just left on a sunday afternoon.
My brother was jumped on by 2 junkies from peter mccann hoose few yr ago .he was taking a call from his sis that his mum just passed away in Hospital which he had just left on a sunday afternoon.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:20am Mon 11 Aug 08
there needs to be a wake up call somewhere, every homeless unit and B&B catering to the homeless, brings with it anti-social behavior and misery to those living near by.
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored any longer as decent law abiding citizens are having their quality of life disrupted and jeopardized by transient nomads, who dont care about themselves, let alone other people.
there needs to be a wake up call somewhere, every homeless unit and B&B catering to the homeless, brings with it anti-social behavior and misery to those living near by.
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored any longer as decent law abiding citizens are having their quality of life disrupted and jeopardized by transient nomads, who dont care about themselves, let alone other people.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:23am Mon 11 Aug 08
there needs to be a wake up call somewhere, every homeless unit and B&B catering to the homeless, brings with it anti-social behavior and misery to those living near by.
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored any longer as decent law abiding citizens are having their quality of life disrupted and jeopardized by transient nomads, who dont care about themselves, let alone other people.
there needs to be a wake up call somewhere, every homeless unit and B&B catering to the homeless, brings with it anti-social behavior and misery to those living near by.
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored any longer as decent law abiding citizens are having their quality of life disrupted and jeopardized by transient nomads, who dont care about themselves, let alone other people.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:45am Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored....[/quote]
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual [bold]ignorance-based prejudice[/bold] (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
hugo wrote:
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored....
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual
ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:57am Mon 11 Aug 08
These men have to go somewhere. Putting them into council housing and leaving them there is not the answer. But the Bellgrove Hotel makes Slatefield a no-go area. It's a disgrace these places exist in 2008. Get it sorted.
[quote]Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?[/quote]
Syd, use your eyes. If places like the Bellgrove had decent facilities, social work care available and were not a dumping ground for poor unfortunates then perhaps things would be better. GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco. They leave these people to rot and drink or drug themselves to death. Then, they are admitted to hospital where the NHS has to clean up the Social Work's mess.
I feel sorry for them, but not as sorry as I do for the law abiding people who have to put up with it.
These men have to go somewhere. Putting them into council housing and leaving them there is not the answer. But the Bellgrove Hotel makes Slatefield a no-go area. It's a disgrace these places exist in 2008. Get it sorted.
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
Syd, use your eyes. If places like the Bellgrove had decent facilities, social work care available and were not a dumping ground for poor unfortunates then perhaps things would be better. GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco. They leave these people to rot and drink or drug themselves to death. Then, they are admitted to hospital where the NHS has to clean up the Social Work's mess.
I feel sorry for them, but not as sorry as I do for the law abiding people who have to put up with it.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 12:03pm Mon 11 Aug 08
I think Ms Lauder is living in cloud cuckoo land. Gallowgate has [italic]always[/italic] been rough. [bold]Always[/bold]. I would suggest that Ms Lauder had done her homework about the area before moving in. Considering that Glasgow council have already closed two hostels [bold]that were needed[/bold], the senile idea that the Bellgrove hotel should close because : "its not nice" in Ms Lauder's eyes is just selfish and plain daft. Did Ms Lauder not do any research on Gallowgate before deciding to move herself and her kids into the area? No sympathy for her whatsoever. If she doesnt like Gallowgate, i am sure theres more than enough landlords up at Govanhill willing to put her and her kids up in a nice "fragrant" tenement.
I think Ms Lauder is living in cloud cuckoo land. Gallowgate has
always been rough.
Always. I would suggest that Ms Lauder had done her homework about the area before moving in. Considering that Glasgow council have already closed two hostels
that were needed, the senile idea that the Bellgrove hotel should close because : "its not nice" in Ms Lauder's eyes is just selfish and plain daft. Did Ms Lauder not do any research on Gallowgate before deciding to move herself and her kids into the area? No sympathy for her whatsoever. If she doesnt like Gallowgate, i am sure theres more than enough landlords up at Govanhill willing to put her and her kids up in a nice "fragrant" tenement.
Posted by: matthew, Glasgow on 12:05pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Sydney, While I don't agree with Hugo I think it is a bit hypocritical to accuse him ignorance-based prejudice as you are prone to use this yourself in your rants directed at Glasgow City Council.
Sydney, While I don't agree with Hugo I think it is a bit hypocritical to accuse him ignorance-based prejudice as you are prone to use this yourself in your rants directed at Glasgow City Council.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:13pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored....[/quote]
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual [bold]ignorance-based prejudice[/bold] (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] ignorance-based prejudice !! is not something i suffer from. As for the research, well the evening times campaign against the Queenspark hotel is a good place to start..... Although now closed there is a well documented history at Peter McCann House. The Hamish Allen centre is probably the worst offender with serious assaults within the centre running at the rate of a few per month. So the evidence is clear for all to see and is in the public domain.
Having an opinion on something does not make one ignorant nor prejudiced. You of all people should know that as you are not short on coming forward with your own views and opinions !!!!
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
hugo wrote:
The correlation between anti-social behavior and these units cannot be ignored....
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
ignorance-based prejudice !! is not something i suffer from. As for the research, well the evening times campaign against the Queenspark hotel is a good place to start..... Although now closed there is a well documented history at Peter McCann House. The Hamish Allen centre is probably the worst offender with serious assaults within the centre running at the rate of a few per month. So the evidence is clear for all to see and is in the public domain.
Having an opinion on something does not make one ignorant nor prejudiced. You of all people should know that as you are not short on coming forward with your own views and opinions !!!!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:17pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
These men have to go somewhere. Putting them into council housing and leaving them there is not the answer. But the Bellgrove Hotel makes Slatefield a no-go area. It's a disgrace these places exist in 2008. Get it sorted.
[quote]Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?[/quote]
Syd, use your eyes. If places like the Bellgrove had decent facilities, social work care available and were not a dumping ground for poor unfortunates then perhaps things would be better. GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco. They leave these people to rot and drink or drug themselves to death. Then, they are admitted to hospital where the NHS has to clean up the Social Work's mess.
I feel sorry for them, but not as sorry as I do for the law abiding people who have to put up with it. [/quote] Fair point Stewie: I cannot, will not, and shall not disagree with:
[quote]GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco.[/quote]
I just get sick and tired of this rag fueling tirades against vulnerable people (yes who may themselves pose a threat), without actually examining the underlying aspects of the story... like how [bold]hundreds of millions of pounds are being hijacked from the city's social services budget to pay for the 2014 Diddy Games[/bold].
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
Stewie Griffin wrote:
These men have to go somewhere. Putting them into council housing and leaving them there is not the answer. But the Bellgrove Hotel makes Slatefield a no-go area. It's a disgrace these places exist in 2008. Get it sorted.
Eh... which 'correlation' would that be exactly: can you give me the source of the scientific study you allude to... or are you just basing your rant on the usual ignorance-based prejudice (as aptly exhibited by Mr McAveety) which explodes in stories like these?
Syd, use your eyes. If places like the Bellgrove had decent facilities, social work care available and were not a dumping ground for poor unfortunates then perhaps things would be better. GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco. They leave these people to rot and drink or drug themselves to death. Then, they are admitted to hospital where the NHS has to clean up the Social Work's mess.
I feel sorry for them, but not as sorry as I do for the law abiding people who have to put up with it.
Fair point Stewie: I cannot, will not, and shall not disagree with:
GCC and the Social work services are totally to blame for this fiasco.
I just get sick and tired of this rag fueling tirades against vulnerable people (yes who may themselves pose a threat), without actually examining the underlying aspects of the story... like how
hundreds of millions of pounds are being hijacked from the city's social services budget to pay for the 2014 Diddy Games.
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:21pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]matthew[/bold] wrote:
Sydney, While I don't agree with Hugo I think it is a bit hypocritical to accuse him ignorance-based prejudice as you are prone to use this yourself in your rants directed at Glasgow City Council.[/quote] [italic]How very dare you sir?[/italic]
My rants are always based on sound scientific research and logic... to suggest anything else is simply nonsense... and that sir is a scientific fact!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
matthew wrote:
Sydney, While I don't agree with Hugo I think it is a bit hypocritical to accuse him ignorance-based prejudice as you are prone to use this yourself in your rants directed at Glasgow City Council.
How very dare you sir?
My rants are always based on sound scientific research and logic... to suggest anything else is simply nonsense... and that sir is a scientific fact!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: DavyMcK, ABERDEEN on 12:30pm Mon 11 Aug 08
"homeless" - [italic]Some are referred there by homeless workers on an emergency basis and stay for a few weeks, [bold]while others have lived there for more than 30 years.[/[/bold] italic] 30 years ?? thats obviously their choice to live there for all that time so lets stop calling them homeless.
"homeless" - Some are referred there by homeless workers on an emergency basis and stay for a few weeks,
while others have lived there for more than 30 years. 30 years ?? thats obviously their choice to live there for all that time so lets stop calling them homeless.Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 12:36pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Hi Sidney,
Unlike others I do agree with you on many occasions.
I disagree on your opinion of the hosting of the Commonwealth Games.. I believe it will take Glasgow another step forward in the regeneration of the East End and Sporting facilities
Keep your comments flowing Sidney. Whether I am in agreement or not you add to good debate .. Some could learn from you.
Hi Sidney,
Unlike others I do agree with you on many occasions.
I disagree on your opinion of the hosting of the Commonwealth Games.. I believe it will take Glasgow another step forward in the regeneration of the East End and Sporting facilities
Keep your comments flowing Sidney. Whether I am in agreement or not you add to good debate .. Some could learn from you.
Posted by: Aunt Sally, Glasgow on 1:00pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Its a shame that it needs the commonwealth games to regenerate an area !!
Its a shame that it needs the commonwealth games to regenerate an area !!
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 1:06pm Mon 11 Aug 08
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day?
It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day?
It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
Posted by: iPhone ipost, Glasgow on 1:10pm Mon 11 Aug 08
I agree that there is a correlation between anti social behaviour and homeless units this does not mean that all the people who live in these unite are to blame. However there needs to be more done to ensue that those offenders are dealt with
I agree that there is a correlation between anti social behaviour and homeless units this does not mean that all the people who live in these unite are to blame. However there needs to be more done to ensue that those offenders are dealt with
Posted by: brian, gallowgate on 1:53pm Mon 11 Aug 08
i am disabled and walk with walking sticks,and any time i walk by the bellgrove hotel and there are any homeless men standing there they move to let me pass and have always been polite and helpful towards me...as for the animals in st mungos school they shout vile abuse at the men from bellgrove hostel
i am disabled and walk with walking sticks,and any time i walk by the bellgrove hotel and there are any homeless men standing there they move to let me pass and have always been polite and helpful towards me...as for the animals in st mungos school they shout vile abuse at the men from bellgrove hostel
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:55pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it![/quote] Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time.
Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time.
Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area.
Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas!
RapidAssistant wrote:
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time.
Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time.
Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area.
Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:01pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Trying to stop all this bold...[/bold]
Did it work?
Trying to stop all this bold...
Did it work?
Posted by: annie, Glasgow on 2:08pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]brian[/bold] wrote:
i am disabled and walk with walking sticks,and any time i walk by the bellgrove hotel and there are any homeless men standing there they move to let me pass and have always been polite and helpful towards me...as for the animals in st mungos school they shout vile abuse at the men from bellgrove hostel [/quote] Ah, a bigoted response methinks. The men from Bellgrove Hostel are [bold]all[/bold] polite and helpful and the school kids are [bold]all[/bold] animals. Aye right!
brian wrote:
i am disabled and walk with walking sticks,and any time i walk by the bellgrove hotel and there are any homeless men standing there they move to let me pass and have always been polite and helpful towards me...as for the animals in st mungos school they shout vile abuse at the men from bellgrove hostel
Ah, a bigoted response methinks. The men from Bellgrove Hostel are
all polite and helpful and the school kids are
all animals. Aye right!
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 2:11pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
I think Ms Lauder is living in cloud cuckoo land. Gallowgate has [italic]always[/italic] been rough. [bold]Always[/bold]. I would suggest that Ms Lauder had done her homework about the area before moving in. Considering that Glasgow council have already closed two hostels [bold]that were needed[/bold], the senile idea that the Bellgrove hotel should close because : "its not nice" in Ms Lauder's eyes is just selfish and plain daft. Did Ms Lauder not do any research on Gallowgate before deciding to move herself and her kids into the area? No sympathy for her whatsoever. If she doesnt like Gallowgate, i am sure theres more than enough landlords up at Govanhill willing to put her and her kids up in a nice "fragrant" tenement.[/quote] What a smug, stupid comment. Of course many areas of Glasgow are what some consider 'rough', but that doesn't mean they should be hijacked by winos and junkies. Many very decent people live in these areas, and just can't afford to move.
Meep wrote:
I think Ms Lauder is living in cloud cuckoo land. Gallowgate has always been rough. Always. I would suggest that Ms Lauder had done her homework about the area before moving in. Considering that Glasgow council have already closed two hostels that were needed, the senile idea that the Bellgrove hotel should close because : "its not nice" in Ms Lauder's eyes is just selfish and plain daft. Did Ms Lauder not do any research on Gallowgate before deciding to move herself and her kids into the area? No sympathy for her whatsoever. If she doesnt like Gallowgate, i am sure theres more than enough landlords up at Govanhill willing to put her and her kids up in a nice "fragrant" tenement.
What a smug, stupid comment. Of course many areas of Glasgow are what some consider 'rough', but that doesn't mean they should be hijacked by winos and junkies. Many very decent people live in these areas, and just can't afford to move.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:19pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Yeah the Gallowgate is serious NED country and I know of many people who have bought flats in the area to get on the property ladder. The problem is that the same flats cannot be resold as no one wants to be hassled almost every time they use the street. Even people coming to view flats are getting asked for cash and bothered by jakes and NEDs. It sounds like some of the locals feel that they are prisoners in their own homes. It is just as sickening to hear about a minority wrecking havoc for the majority. The socialist in me would say let's look at how the minority were 'created' in the first place but we already know that welfare cut backs have led to the concentration of a social problem in a particular area. I can understand why folk may not be happy about jakeys cutting about near a school esp. if it is where their own children attend.
Perhaps instead of handing over the next brownfield site to a private developer Glasgow City Council might set it aside for much needed accommodation for the homeless. At least this would start to pave the way for a more sustainable solution instead of adding to Gallowgate's list of already existing social problems. The place is a war zone at night and running battles on the street are not out of the ordinary.
Yeah the Gallowgate is serious NED country and I know of many people who have bought flats in the area to get on the property ladder. The problem is that the same flats cannot be resold as no one wants to be hassled almost every time they use the street. Even people coming to view flats are getting asked for cash and bothered by jakes and NEDs. It sounds like some of the locals feel that they are prisoners in their own homes. It is just as sickening to hear about a minority wrecking havoc for the majority. The socialist in me would say let's look at how the minority were 'created' in the first place but we already know that welfare cut backs have led to the concentration of a social problem in a particular area. I can understand why folk may not be happy about jakeys cutting about near a school esp. if it is where their own children attend.
Perhaps instead of handing over the next brownfield site to a private developer Glasgow City Council might set it aside for much needed accommodation for the homeless. At least this would start to pave the way for a more sustainable solution instead of adding to Gallowgate's list of already existing social problems. The place is a war zone at night and running battles on the street are not out of the ordinary.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 2:56pm Mon 11 Aug 08
I am glad this homeless refuge is where it is, otherwise we could end up with one in the South Side of he city.
As for people saying they see 'alcoholics congregating in the street everyday, isn't that the norm in the east end. My question is
"How can you tell the homeless from the people who have homes"?
I am glad this homeless refuge is where it is, otherwise we could end up with one in the South Side of he city.
As for people saying they see 'alcoholics congregating in the street everyday, isn't that the norm in the east end. My question is
"How can you tell the homeless from the people who have homes"?
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 3:00pm Mon 11 Aug 08
That area has always been a hell hole,nothing to do with the hotel, its the residents - check out the housing round there - the residents cant even look after their bought houses. OK there will be some idiots but as for creating the image that Gallowgate would be lovely if it wasnt for the hostel - gies a break!
That area has always been a hell hole,nothing to do with the hotel, its the residents - check out the housing round there - the residents cant even look after their bought houses. OK there will be some idiots but as for creating the image that Gallowgate would be lovely if it wasnt for the hostel - gies a break!
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 3:06pm Mon 11 Aug 08
My point exaclty Emma, the Gallowgate is NEDville central and closing down the homeless shelter would simlpy move the problem into another area. As for 'The Wise One's' question, are they drawing a crude positive correlation between alcoholics and homelessness? It is probably true to a certain extent but alcoholics can also have homes so I don't see the value in drawing boundaries between the homless and the homed. NEDs by contrast are a different kettle of fish altogether.
My point exaclty Emma, the Gallowgate is NEDville central and closing down the homeless shelter would simlpy move the problem into another area. As for 'The Wise One's' question, are they drawing a crude positive correlation between alcoholics and homelessness? It is probably true to a certain extent but alcoholics can also have homes so I don't see the value in drawing boundaries between the homless and the homed. NEDs by contrast are a different kettle of fish altogether.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 3:12pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Never mind, Margaret Curran wil sort it out. Didn't she say the people of the east end could depend on her?
Never mind, Margaret Curran wil sort it out. Didn't she say the people of the east end could depend on her?
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 3:30pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Aunt Sally[/bold] wrote:
Its a shame that it needs the commonwealth games to regenerate an area !![/quote] Both at the same time seems a good idea to me... Money available from the Scottish government due to the Commonwealth games coming to our country.
That can be nothing other than a massive + sign for the good people of the east end, southside etc..
Aunt Sally the 5 mile link will now be completed due to the Scottish Government.. We have waited since the 1960's for completion of this link.. If you bother to check the further plans for Glasgow you will find the many building projects that will develop from this road..
Furthermore if completed earlier the cost would have been much lower ..
Nearly 40 years of Labour rule had destroyed many areas in Glasgow.. Councillors, MP's, MSP's with no vision for the future, only their bank balances. I know, as a former Labour organiser in the south.
Seems to me (for a change) joined up building projects for a change rather than individual site planning..
Cheers
Aunt Sally wrote:
Its a shame that it needs the commonwealth games to regenerate an area !!
Both at the same time seems a good idea to me... Money available from the Scottish government due to the Commonwealth games coming to our country.
That can be nothing other than a massive + sign for the good people of the east end, southside etc..
Aunt Sally the 5 mile link will now be completed due to the Scottish Government.. We have waited since the 1960's for completion of this link.. If you bother to check the further plans for Glasgow you will find the many building projects that will develop from this road..
Furthermore if completed earlier the cost would have been much lower ..
Nearly 40 years of Labour rule had destroyed many areas in Glasgow.. Councillors, MP's, MSP's with no vision for the future, only their bank balances. I know, as a former Labour organiser in the south.
Seems to me (for a change) joined up building projects for a change rather than individual site planning..
Cheers
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 3:55pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote:
Never mind, Margaret Curran wil sort it out. Didn't she say the people of the east end could depend on her?[/quote] Curran if she had not the easy financial pickings of a politician may have needed shelter in a similar place as the Belgrove Hostel..
The Wise One wrote:
Never mind, Margaret Curran wil sort it out. Didn't she say the people of the east end could depend on her?
Curran if she had not the easy financial pickings of a politician may have needed shelter in a similar place as the Belgrove Hostel..
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:00pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it![/quote] Some of these kids don't need lessons from the homeless. Infact many may not have ambitions along that line but have a tendency to be drop outs like their elders.
Hey! and what about shutting all pubs within a 1 sq. mile... Now that would lead to improvement.
RapidAssistant wrote:
It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
Some of these kids don't need lessons from the homeless. Infact many may not have ambitions along that line but have a tendency to be drop outs like their elders.
Hey! and what about shutting all pubs within a 1 sq. mile... Now that would lead to improvement.
Posted by: Hobbes, Glasgow on 4:04pm Mon 11 Aug 08
I live near by and while I might not pop to the shop next door at night, during the day its fine, it's mainly old boys away in their own world and no trouble. The problem is it attracts all the neds who force the winos to go into the shop next door to get them booze and find sport in physically abusing them.
As to the hostel owners they seem to keep the area clean and every now and then when it gets covered in graffiti they do clean it up.
I think the real problem is having a licensed grocers right next door to a hostel for vulnerable people with alcohol issues. So maybe this type of accommodation doesn't have a place in this day and age for those with genuine dependency issues.
I think the woman should be more concerned about the state of the empty houses and derelict closes in Comelypark Street/Slatefield which are much more of a problem for attracting undesirables.
I live near by and while I might not pop to the shop next door at night, during the day its fine, it's mainly old boys away in their own world and no trouble. The problem is it attracts all the neds who force the winos to go into the shop next door to get them booze and find sport in physically abusing them.
As to the hostel owners they seem to keep the area clean and every now and then when it gets covered in graffiti they do clean it up.
I think the real problem is having a licensed grocers right next door to a hostel for vulnerable people with alcohol issues. So maybe this type of accommodation doesn't have a place in this day and age for those with genuine dependency issues.
I think the woman should be more concerned about the state of the empty houses and derelict closes in Comelypark Street/Slatefield which are much more of a problem for attracting undesirables.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 4:20pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote: It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it![/quote] Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time. Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time. Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area. Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas![/quote] Problem is, the council is just going to sweep the problem under the carpet as it has always done. Rest assured, before the world descends on the city in 2014 the neds and the down and outs will get gathered up and flung in some corner of the city out of sight from the tourists - as has been the case in London.
The Missing City wrote:
RapidAssistant wrote: It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time. Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time. Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area. Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas!
Problem is, the council is just going to sweep the problem under the carpet as it has always done. Rest assured, before the world descends on the city in 2014 the neds and the down and outs will get gathered up and flung in some corner of the city out of sight from the tourists - as has been the case in London.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 4:30pm Mon 11 Aug 08
victor meldrew, i was pointing out the obvious to the majority of glaswegians in saying Gallowgate is rough. I never said it was a bad place. In fact i wouldnt mind living down the Gallowgate. No pretentions . No arty farty west enders. Just decent people who know what they like. [italic]Its just that they all like drink[/italic] . If the police say the hostel is not causing problems why cant people accept that? And has a final note Gallowgate is [italic]not[/italic] east end. Its a part of the city centre.
victor meldrew, i was pointing out the obvious to the majority of glaswegians in saying Gallowgate is rough. I never said it was a bad place. In fact i wouldnt mind living down the Gallowgate. No pretentions . No arty farty west enders. Just decent people who know what they like.
Its just that they all like drink . If the police say the hostel is not causing problems why cant people accept that? And has a final note Gallowgate is
not east end. Its a part of the city centre.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:51pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote: It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it![/quote] Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time. Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time. Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area. Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas![/quote] Problem is, the council is just going to sweep the problem under the carpet as it has always done. Rest assured, before the world descends on the city in 2014 the neds and the down and outs will get gathered up and flung in some corner of the city out of sight from the tourists - as has been the case in London. [/quote] Hi.. How about a recreation centre, also housing drug addicts, alcoholics etc . Somewhere roughly about 50 miles from towns villages etc... Medical help, tutors, and physical training daily.. Of course each depending on the physical state of each person... I am deadly seriously this would include various educational programs. Whilst our fellow human beings are being encouraged to better their lives, some method for housing after rehab has to be found..
Anyone got a better idea? Cheers
RapidAssistant wrote:
The Missing City wrote: RapidAssistant wrote: It's right next door to St Mungo's Academy and Crownpoint Road sports centre....are all these old winos strewing their Tennents Super cans all over the place a great advertisement for these kids who frequent the area every day? It's an eyesore - bulldoze it!
Yes Rapid, having atteneded the school 1988-1989 season, it has taken 20 years for the cries that the building should be demolished, yet nobody seemed really bothered about getting rid of the place throughout that period of time. Maybe it was because the Labour Party at this time was enjoying filling their pockets and blaming the East End misery on the Tories as a diversion away from their corrupt activity over a long period time. Considering the place had crumbling post-war housing built only 20 years pervious, as well as a school in the same condition, the attitude has changed from being a building that was not bothering anybody to one that is filthy and does not blend with the area. Of course, CG 2014 has accelerated this and in a short space of time, it seems the East End has become the new West End - still, the place is still awash with the same social problems, only signifcantly worse as a result of the politician's gas!
Problem is, the council is just going to sweep the problem under the carpet as it has always done. Rest assured, before the world descends on the city in 2014 the neds and the down and outs will get gathered up and flung in some corner of the city out of sight from the tourists - as has been the case in London.
Hi.. How about a recreation centre, also housing drug addicts, alcoholics etc . Somewhere roughly about 50 miles from towns villages etc... Medical help, tutors, and physical training daily.. Of course each depending on the physical state of each person... I am deadly seriously this would include various educational programs. Whilst our fellow human beings are being encouraged to better their lives, some method for housing after rehab has to be found..
Anyone got a better idea? Cheers
Posted by: wee mary, glasgow on 5:18pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Stop all this bold print, it's hurtin my eyes
Stop all this bold print, it's hurtin my eyes
Posted by: george mcleod, Possil on 5:21pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Remember this slogan--Glasgow the caring City
Remember this slogan--Glasgow the caring City
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 5:22pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Have you tried the braille edition of this website
Have you tried the braille edition of this website
Posted by: PepsiBarker, Glasgow on 6:08pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Can they not house Homeless people in old country houses.
It will kill two birds with one stone by doing up rundown mansions and castles in the country and using them as hostels for the homeless. And the countryside will do the people who are addicts good.
Can they not house Homeless people in old country houses.
It will kill two birds with one stone by doing up rundown mansions and castles in the country and using them as hostels for the homeless. And the countryside will do the people who are addicts good.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:11pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Hello - wake up [italic]"angry east end residents"[/italic]
Displacement, or NIMBY'ism is not the solution here.
We're talking about people, not animals.
Yes, they have problems, yes their social skills are needing worked upon.
Those who are complaining should just be glad they are not homeless, on drugs, drink or both.
Clearly as I've said before a task -force( much as I hate these groups) needs to be set up, with the Local Councillors, health board? S.W. Dept? MSP's Community Police, Council reps, and residents.
Simply closing hostels down is not the solution in the short term, however much people dislike the behaviour of these homeless people.
By scattering the homeless residents accross the city, or placing them in yet more B & B's how does that solve the problem ?
By moving them from, or closing the hostel, how does this help the people in it get clean of drink/ drugs, get the help & support they need ?
Clearly the police need to show a higher presence in the area - but repeatedly arresting these guys for anti-social behaviour, breach of the peace, or putting them in prisons doesn't fix their problems.
Hostels are definately not the long term solution to homelessness.
But, until the council and authorities generally cough up the funding for policies to eradicate homelessness from Glasgow then sweeping the problem under the carpet simply sees local residents face having to deal with the problems homelessness brings.
Hello - wake up
"angry east end residents"
Displacement, or NIMBY'ism is not the solution here.
We're talking about people, not animals.
Yes, they have problems, yes their social skills are needing worked upon.
Those who are complaining should just be glad they are not homeless, on drugs, drink or both.
Clearly as I've said before a task -force( much as I hate these groups) needs to be set up, with the Local Councillors, health board? S.W. Dept? MSP's Community Police, Council reps, and residents.
Simply closing hostels down is not the solution in the short term, however much people dislike the behaviour of these homeless people.
By scattering the homeless residents accross the city, or placing them in yet more B & B's how does that solve the problem ?
By moving them from, or closing the hostel, how does this help the people in it get clean of drink/ drugs, get the help & support they need ?
Clearly the police need to show a higher presence in the area - but repeatedly arresting these guys for anti-social behaviour, breach of the peace, or putting them in prisons doesn't fix their problems.
Hostels are definately not the long term solution to homelessness.
But, until the council and authorities generally cough up the funding for policies to eradicate homelessness from Glasgow then sweeping the problem under the carpet simply sees local residents face having to deal with the problems homelessness brings.
Posted by: fekinscallys, Bearsden on 10:25pm Mon 11 Aug 08
Glasgow City Council, Strathclyde Police, the Scotish Government are failing the needy citizens of Glasgow. Hostels in Glasgow should be for Glasweigans requiring short term shelter, while this screwed up Government finds them a permanent place to stay.
And i am not talking about the Junkies and Booze Bags, these Hostels should be and where intended for needy people in hostile situations like Battered Husbands/Wifes, Sexually Abused Family Members, Vulnerable people of Glasgow.
But NO we throw all the Glasgow Booze Bags and Junkies in them, saying we have housing shortages, while we give all the housing to our adopted Brothers and Sisters from Eastern Europe and Africa, a bunch of NO GOODERS who come to the UK to commit as much skull duggery as they can, bleed the benefits and health care system dry, and when they have all the benefits and housing in place, they go back to the mother land in the safe mind there benefits going into the BANK, and they can rest assured knowing the FLAT we have just given them is safely rented out to other illegal immigrants.
This has to stop now, this Government has to take responsibility for the actions of these people, lets just take a quick look at the RATE of SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE in the UK, it was not born here, its coming from Africa and Eastern Europe.
Not only are these people draining our economy they are also spreading disease like wildfire, they Rape, Murder, and do what ever they want, as most of them are anonymous.
Glasweigans need to get together and bring back the old phrase "Glasgows Miles Better"
Jesus christ, we are the MURDER CAPITAL of Europe, i think only Moscow has more Murders per head. And if we keep allowing these thugs into the country its all down hill from here.
Glasgow City Council, Strathclyde Police, the Scotish Government are failing the needy citizens of Glasgow. Hostels in Glasgow should be for Glasweigans requiring short term shelter, while this screwed up Government finds them a permanent place to stay.
And i am not talking about the Junkies and Booze Bags, these Hostels should be and where intended for needy people in hostile situations like Battered Husbands/Wifes, Sexually Abused Family Members, Vulnerable people of Glasgow.
But NO we throw all the Glasgow Booze Bags and Junkies in them, saying we have housing shortages, while we give all the housing to our adopted Brothers and Sisters from Eastern Europe and Africa, a bunch of NO GOODERS who come to the UK to commit as much skull duggery as they can, bleed the benefits and health care system dry, and when they have all the benefits and housing in place, they go back to the mother land in the safe mind there benefits going into the BANK, and they can rest assured knowing the FLAT we have just given them is safely rented out to other illegal immigrants.
This has to stop now, this Government has to take responsibility for the actions of these people, lets just take a quick look at the RATE of SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE in the UK, it was not born here, its coming from Africa and Eastern Europe.
Not only are these people draining our economy they are also spreading disease like wildfire, they Rape, Murder, and do what ever they want, as most of them are anonymous.
Glasweigans need to get together and bring back the old phrase "Glasgows Miles Better"
Jesus christ, we are the MURDER CAPITAL of Europe, i think only Moscow has more Murders per head. And if we keep allowing these thugs into the country its all down hill from here.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 10:37pm Mon 11 Aug 08
[quote][bold]PepsiBarker[/bold] wrote:
Can they not house Homeless people in old country houses. It will kill two birds with one stone by doing up rundown mansions and castles in the country and using them as hostels for the homeless. And the countryside will do the people who are addicts good.[/quote] Good idea, and during the day they can be employed as scarecrows.
PepsiBarker wrote:
Can they not house Homeless people in old country houses. It will kill two birds with one stone by doing up rundown mansions and castles in the country and using them as hostels for the homeless. And the countryside will do the people who are addicts good.
Good idea, and during the day they can be employed as scarecrows.
Posted by: sober on 2:52am Tue 12 Aug 08
Fekinskallys...[italic]how right you are[/italic]SILENCE IS CONSENT
Fekinskallys...
how right you areSILENCE IS CONSENT
Posted by: sober on 3:02am Tue 12 Aug 08
As to fellow subscribers "a house divided by itself shall fall" HOMELESS UNITS or OTHERWISE
Scotand and Glasgow will be the future Balkans .
The writing is on the wall. The Commonwealth Games will leave a huge illegals problem legacy.
As to fellow subscribers "a house divided by itself shall fall" HOMELESS UNITS or OTHERWISE
Scotand and Glasgow will be the future Balkans .
The writing is on the wall. The Commonwealth Games will leave a huge illegals problem legacy.
Posted by: allan845, Glasgow on 6:56am Tue 12 Aug 08
Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel.
The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals
do from the homeless!
Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel.
The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals
do from the homeless!
Posted by: phil1, edinburgh on 2:02pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Why are people complaining - these alcoholics have to drink, urinate, congregate, socialize, swear, drop rubbish and spend their welfare somewhere. Surely its better done just next to their 'home' so at the end of the day they can stagger the few yards home to bed.
Luckily I live miles away and so admit to being a hypocrite unlike many of the numpties above wringing their hands and whining with their left wing, liberal middle class ideas of those poor downtrodden chaps.
Why are people complaining - these alcoholics have to drink, urinate, congregate, socialize, swear, drop rubbish and spend their welfare somewhere. Surely its better done just next to their 'home' so at the end of the day they can stagger the few yards home to bed.
Luckily I live miles away and so admit to being a hypocrite unlike many of the numpties above wringing their hands and whining with their left wing, liberal middle class ideas of those poor downtrodden chaps.
Posted by: phil1, edinburgh on 2:05pm Tue 12 Aug 08
[quote][bold]allan845[/bold] wrote:
Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel. The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals do from the homeless![/quote] Does anyone believe Allan845's fairy tale above. Is he really so stupid that he drives past Bellgrove dailly and everytime his car is stoned by packs not of drunks but feral children - my he is a glutton for punishment!
allan845 wrote:
Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel. The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals do from the homeless!
Does anyone believe Allan845's fairy tale above. Is he really so stupid that he drives past Bellgrove dailly and everytime his car is stoned by packs not of drunks but feral children - my he is a glutton for punishment!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:17pm Tue 12 Aug 08
is there not any unoccupied offices around glasgow and surrounding areas?after all it would be cheaper than a building lying empty and paying taxes and keeping the place heated and lighting for months and even years, i agree with wise one ...out of sight out of mind, make the pain in the arse addicts have to walk to get access to their fix,albacraz as in alcatraz could be way,way, out of the way surrounded by water....excellent, grow vegetables, keep cows for milk, chickens for eggs, and keep alive by giving something back to society personaly i am sick of the 'poor me' attitude of these selfish beings who have given themselves self inflicted problems and expect others to pick up the pieces,i have sypathy for vulnerable genuine situations,but the buck stops here, stop take, take, take, get on with it.
is there not any unoccupied offices around glasgow and surrounding areas?after all it would be cheaper than a building lying empty and paying taxes and keeping the place heated and lighting for months and even years, i agree with wise one ...out of sight out of mind, make the pain in the arse addicts have to walk to get access to their fix,albacraz as in alcatraz could be way,way, out of the way surrounded by water....excellent, grow vegetables, keep cows for milk, chickens for eggs, and keep alive by giving something back to society personaly i am sick of the 'poor me' attitude of these selfish beings who have given themselves self inflicted problems and expect others to pick up the pieces,i have sypathy for vulnerable genuine situations,but the buck stops here, stop take, take, take, get on with it.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:21pm Tue 12 Aug 08
(why the bold print? i never touched nothing....honestly!
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(why the bold print? i never touched nothing....honestly!
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Posted by: allan845, Glasgow on 4:10pm Tue 12 Aug 08
[quote][bold]phil1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]allan845[/bold] wrote: Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel. The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals do from the homeless![/quote] Does anyone believe Allan845's fairy tale above. Is he really so stupid that he drives past Bellgrove dailly and everytime his car is stoned by packs not of drunks but feral children - my he is a glutton for punishment![/quote] Phil. Being from Edinburgh I bow to your superior knowledge on Glasgow's east end. If you'd read my comment properly, you'd see no mention of me driving my CAR past the Bellgrove daily. I do, however, drive a bus past the Bellgrove most days. Sadly, my employer takes a dim view of us diverting to safer routes, insists we follow set routes!
phil1 wrote:
allan845 wrote: Having driven past the Bellgrove daily, for many years, I have to say I've never seen any trouble from the residents of the hostel. The main problem in the area are the children of the local residents, who persistantly throw stones, bricks etc at passing cars, then disappear back towards Comeleypark St. I would say the poor occupants of the Bellgrove suffer way more from this ferile pack, than the locals do from the homeless!
Does anyone believe Allan845's fairy tale above. Is he really so stupid that he drives past Bellgrove dailly and everytime his car is stoned by packs not of drunks but feral children - my he is a glutton for punishment!
Phil. Being from Edinburgh I bow to your superior knowledge on Glasgow's east end. If you'd read my comment properly, you'd see no mention of me driving my CAR past the Bellgrove daily. I do, however, drive a bus past the Bellgrove most days. Sadly, my employer takes a dim view of us diverting to safer routes, insists we follow set routes!
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:32pm Tue 12 Aug 08
junkies and daft yobs will cause trouble no matter where you go...you are out of luck ...soree!....its allowed in glasgow.
junkies and daft yobs will cause trouble no matter where you go...you are out of luck ...soree!....its allowed in glasgow.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 5:41pm Tue 12 Aug 08
Never mind the East End, anybody see the fracas with the drunkard & polis that went on in Partick earlier today ?
Who says the East End is the only place with it's problems.
The druggies, drunks, shop robberies, and fights are increasing in the West End too.
Time for folk to open their eyes and shut their pockets to the crime that is going on around them.
Never mind the East End, anybody see the fracas with the drunkard & polis that went on in Partick earlier today ?
Who says the East End is the only place with it's problems.
The druggies, drunks, shop robberies, and fights are increasing in the West End too.
Time for folk to open their eyes and shut their pockets to the crime that is going on around them.
Posted by: GladS, Glasgow on 8:34pm Fri 15 Aug 08
I have to admit that I haven't read all the other comments made about this article. But what I can say -from 25 years of working with homeless people - just remember, there but for the grace. Anyone of the people who call the Bellgrove their home could be you. Won't happen to you!?Really! I have worked with professors, doctors, solicitors, merchant seamen, army personnel, teachers, social workers, bin men, office workers, shop workers, trade union officials - who all said at some point in their lives - Nah, won't ever be like the jakies and junkies that live in homeless hostels. But it happens. So instead of bringing down these people and treating tem like something that should be scraped off your shoe - just remember, it COULD BE YOU or someone you know. Noone knows what is round the corner. My Nan told me to always remember - there but for the grace. THESE PEOPLE could be me, they could be you, they could be someone you know or someone you love. How would you like to be treated or how would you like someone you loveto be treated? At the end of the day, the PEOPLE who live in the Bellgrove are people with problems. Treat them so.
I have to admit that I haven't read all the other comments made about this article. But what I can say -from 25 years of working with homeless people - just remember, there but for the grace. Anyone of the people who call the Bellgrove their home could be you. Won't happen to you!?Really! I have worked with professors, doctors, solicitors, merchant seamen, army personnel, teachers, social workers, bin men, office workers, shop workers, trade union officials - who all said at some point in their lives - Nah, won't ever be like the jakies and junkies that live in homeless hostels. But it happens. So instead of bringing down these people and treating tem like something that should be scraped off your shoe - just remember, it COULD BE YOU or someone you know. Noone knows what is round the corner. My Nan told me to always remember - there but for the grace. THESE PEOPLE could be me, they could be you, they could be someone you know or someone you love. How would you like to be treated or how would you like someone you loveto be treated? At the end of the day, the PEOPLE who live in the Bellgrove are people with problems. Treat them so.
Posted by: GladS, Glasgow on 8:44pm Fri 15 Aug 08
PS to my last comment - the East End of Glasgow does have problems and GCC would be better to spend some of its Commonwealth Games Budget on sorting out the lack of social housing, long term unemployed no-go post code areas and similar long-term social problems - rather than set their sights on "bringing the wealthier punter" into the area once the Games are over. Bring back a socialist conscience rather than the Tory conscience that seems to have inhabited the GCC of late. How
dare they call themsleves Labour.
PS to my last comment - the East End of Glasgow does have problems and GCC would be better to spend some of its Commonwealth Games Budget on sorting out the lack of social housing, long term unemployed no-go post code areas and similar long-term social problems - rather than set their sights on "bringing the wealthier punter" into the area once the Games are over. Bring back a socialist conscience rather than the Tory conscience that seems to have inhabited the GCC of late. How
dare they call themsleves Labour.
Posted by: allan845, Glasgow on 5:53pm Wed 20 Aug 08
[quote][bold]GladS[/bold] wrote:
PS to my last comment - the East End of Glasgow does have problems and GCC would be better to spend some of its Commonwealth Games Budget on sorting out the lack of social housing, long term unemployed no-go post code areas and similar long-term social problems - rather than set their sights on "bringing the wealthier punter" into the area once the Games are over. Bring back a socialist conscience rather than the Tory conscience that seems to have inhabited the GCC of late. How dare they call themsleves Labour.[/quote] The best and most sensible comments I have read here!
Sadly, we truely have the best councillors money can buy! Like the majority, they are only out to line their own pockets, and will only do aesthetic improvements in poorer areas, if the wealthier have to travel that route to their destination.
GladS wrote:
PS to my last comment - the East End of Glasgow does have problems and GCC would be better to spend some of its Commonwealth Games Budget on sorting out the lack of social housing, long term unemployed no-go post code areas and similar long-term social problems - rather than set their sights on "bringing the wealthier punter" into the area once the Games are over. Bring back a socialist conscience rather than the Tory conscience that seems to have inhabited the GCC of late. How dare they call themsleves Labour.
The best and most sensible comments I have read here!
Sadly, we truely have the best councillors money can buy! Like the majority, they are only out to line their own pockets, and will only do aesthetic improvements in poorer areas, if the wealthier have to travel that route to their destination.
Posted by: Panda, Glasgow on 11:04pm Fri 29 May 09
I live on the Gallowgate, and i'm actually a neighbour to the Bellgrove Hotel. It is indeed an eye sore. But the men are generally nice men, they have problems and so do we all, but... that is just life.
I have had more trouble, like the police officer has said in the article that its more from youth activities and gangs. My close door windows have been smashed because youths have been bored, and the children who live above me have been bullied by these youths, no one i know of has been harmed by these men that are in the bellgrove hotel, if anything they give enjoyable banter.
For this lady whom in the article is complaining about the hotel, should travel up 5mins walk behind her to duke street, no need to travel to bridgeton in her car! to get some milk.
I have a 2 year old daughter and i'm more scared of walking past the school with her rather than going to the shop next door.
I live on the Gallowgate, and i'm actually a neighbour to the Bellgrove Hotel. It is indeed an eye sore. But the men are generally nice men, they have problems and so do we all, but... that is just life.
I have had more trouble, like the police officer has said in the article that its more from youth activities and gangs. My close door windows have been smashed because youths have been bored, and the children who live above me have been bullied by these youths, no one i know of has been harmed by these men that are in the bellgrove hotel, if anything they give enjoyable banter.
For this lady whom in the article is complaining about the hotel, should travel up 5mins walk behind her to duke street, no need to travel to bridgeton in her car! to get some milk.
I have a 2 year old daughter and i'm more scared of walking past the school with her rather than going to the shop next door.
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