Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:04am Wed 13 Aug 08
It used to be a strong neighbourhood.Its full of junkies and you take your life in your own hands going to visit the peoples palace,The reality will be Offices and very few affordable homes.
It used to be a strong neighbourhood.Its full of junkies and you take your life in your own hands going to visit the peoples palace,The reality will be Offices and very few affordable homes.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:10am Wed 13 Aug 08
[italic]They admitted some of the area's homes were among the worst in Glasgow but vowed to put the pride back into the neighbourhood.[/italic]
It seems inconceivable that most of this housing they speak of is only around 40 years old, most of the buildings beforehand were worthy od rehabilitation, plus that stretch of road was busy.
10 minutes walk from Glasgow Cross, and much like Townhead and Woodside, you may think you are on the edge of the city - very poor planning in the past which has allowed de-urbanisation to fester and hinder the city as a whole.
Fresh investment is required, of course new builds and the proposal to retain the 1850's street layout as you go back into town is becoming a reality, the same sort of investment should also apply to this part of the Gallowgate, considering Duke St over the railway is busy and Gallowgate is not, it is easy to see what is wrong with the Gallowgate as it is blatantly the opposite of what you see in Duke St.
A bit of brains for a change would serve this area well.
They admitted some of the area's homes were among the worst in Glasgow but vowed to put the pride back into the neighbourhood.
It seems inconceivable that most of this housing they speak of is only around 40 years old, most of the buildings beforehand were worthy od rehabilitation, plus that stretch of road was busy.
10 minutes walk from Glasgow Cross, and much like Townhead and Woodside, you may think you are on the edge of the city - very poor planning in the past which has allowed de-urbanisation to fester and hinder the city as a whole.
Fresh investment is required, of course new builds and the proposal to retain the 1850's street layout as you go back into town is becoming a reality, the same sort of investment should also apply to this part of the Gallowgate, considering Duke St over the railway is busy and Gallowgate is not, it is easy to see what is wrong with the Gallowgate as it is blatantly the opposite of what you see in Duke St.
A bit of brains for a change would serve this area well.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:11am Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote]...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.[/quote]
FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an [bold]NOW[/bold] they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission".
Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than [bold]a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks[/bold] swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.
FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an
NOW they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission".
Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than
a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:15am Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.[/quote] FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an [bold]NOW[/bold] they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission". Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than [bold]a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks[/bold] swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] That as well Sydney - Fair assessment
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.
FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an NOW they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission". Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
That as well Sydney - Fair assessment
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:15am Wed 13 Aug 08
...BTW where's the usual cooncil rent-a-mob?
[italic]Taking a wee fully-funded trip tae the Far East perhaps?[/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
...BTW where's the usual cooncil rent-a-mob?
Taking a wee fully-funded trip tae the Far East perhaps?
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 11:34am Wed 13 Aug 08
I think the result of the Glasgow East bye-election might just have something to do with it.
I think the result of the Glasgow East bye-election might just have something to do with it.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:46am Wed 13 Aug 08
You Spin me right round baby, right round,Like a record baby, right round right round!
You Spin me right round baby, right round,Like a record baby, right round right round!
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 11:53am Wed 13 Aug 08
There's loads for the kids to do - sports centres, cinemas, libraries, etc.
You can build as many new houses as you like but you'll never change the people. It's not houses that destroy an area - it's people.
There's loads for the kids to do - sports centres, cinemas, libraries, etc.
You can build as many new houses as you like but you'll never change the people. It's not houses that destroy an area - it's people.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 11:58am Wed 13 Aug 08
anyone with a calculater could figure out the price of paying councilors and a msp to do an oversee tour of this area is more evpensive than hiring clean up crews and some policing which is what people pay for....go figure, if we have new people arriving here in glasgow with no visible signs of support then let them help by making the area more sanitary and liveable....one way of paying back into society.
anyone with a calculater could figure out the price of paying councilors and a msp to do an oversee tour of this area is more evpensive than hiring clean up crews and some policing which is what people pay for....go figure, if we have new people arriving here in glasgow with no visible signs of support then let them help by making the area more sanitary and liveable....one way of paying back into society.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:00pm Wed 13 Aug 08
60 years in power and Labour now decide that action is required. was it not labour who thought up, managed, and botched the GEAR initiative in the mid 70's. GEAR stood for Glasgow East End Renewal, and it was a complete disaster, as we can all see.
Surely it is time to move on from Labour spin, lies, excuses and ineptitude and let us see what others are able to achieve.
60 years in power and Labour now decide that action is required. was it not labour who thought up, managed, and botched the GEAR initiative in the mid 70's. GEAR stood for Glasgow East End Renewal, and it was a complete disaster, as we can all see.
Surely it is time to move on from Labour spin, lies, excuses and ineptitude and let us see what others are able to achieve.
Posted by: Brad on 12:04pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Wow, I find myself agreeing with Sydney! The way this is being portrayed is pretty distasteful.
Hugo, I think GEAR has its origins with the Heath gvnt, although not 100% sure. GEAR wasn't a complete disaster but it wasn't nearly enough.
Wow, I find myself agreeing with Sydney! The way this is being portrayed is pretty distasteful.
Hugo, I think GEAR has its origins with the Heath gvnt, although not 100% sure. GEAR wasn't a complete disaster but it wasn't nearly enough.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:13pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
Wow, I find myself agreeing with Sydney! The way this is being portrayed is pretty distasteful.
Hugo, I think GEAR has its origins with the Heath gvnt, although not 100% sure. GEAR wasn't a complete disaster but it wasn't nearly enough.[/quote] Brad ur right in that, the GEAR initiative was started under the Heath Govt, however it was one of the flagship policies of the then newly formed, and much missed Strathclyde Regional Council.
GEAR achieved few of its stated objectives, and if anything simply papered over the fundamental flaws in the underlying issues affecting the east end.
Brad wrote:
Wow, I find myself agreeing with Sydney! The way this is being portrayed is pretty distasteful.
Hugo, I think GEAR has its origins with the Heath gvnt, although not 100% sure. GEAR wasn't a complete disaster but it wasn't nearly enough.
Brad ur right in that, the GEAR initiative was started under the Heath Govt, however it was one of the flagship policies of the then newly formed, and much missed Strathclyde Regional Council.
GEAR achieved few of its stated objectives, and if anything simply papered over the fundamental flaws in the underlying issues affecting the east end.
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 12:27pm Wed 13 Aug 08
its the same with all the agencies - papering over the problems. Gallowgate has always been rough, it'll take a bomb to shift the rot, but GHA inviting private companies to sort it out isnt a solution. Ghettos of poor housing/ghettos of private housing - you can see it here already. Maybe if the councillors stopped sitting in the chambers having their cheap lunches and get out into the city they are supposed to represent then there would be something of note.
its the same with all the agencies - papering over the problems. Gallowgate has always been rough, it'll take a bomb to shift the rot, but GHA inviting private companies to sort it out isnt a solution. Ghettos of poor housing/ghettos of private housing - you can see it here already. Maybe if the councillors stopped sitting in the chambers having their cheap lunches and get out into the city they are supposed to represent then there would be something of note.
Posted by: Brad on 12:35pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Emma, I suspect that part of the problem is that councillors - many of whom have been brought up in these places - think it's normal.
Emma, I suspect that part of the problem is that councillors - many of whom have been brought up in these places - think it's normal.
Posted by: john1, Glasgow on 12:52pm Wed 13 Aug 08
What will the council do? They can no longer take the easy option and turn to private developers to yuppiefy a run down area, selling overpriced flats as cosmopolitan living. They'll no doubt change the name of the Gallowgate to Collegelands South or something equally ridiculous.
What will the council do? They can no longer take the easy option and turn to private developers to yuppiefy a run down area, selling overpriced flats as cosmopolitan living. They'll no doubt change the name of the Gallowgate to Collegelands South or something equally ridiculous.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 1:06pm Wed 13 Aug 08
McAveety takes time out from eating pie and beans to visit the East End. Well, aren't we honoured?
McAveety takes time out from eating pie and beans to visit the East End. Well, aren't we honoured?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:09pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
Emma, I suspect that part of the problem is that councillors - many of whom have been brought up in these places - think it's normal.[/quote] Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got.
I wonder where they were?
In truth, as jobs were being lost (long before Thatcher came in to power) it is fair to say that little employment opportunities were around to comensate for the loss, only till a few years ago - considering that is a good 30 years of no work for some, ultimately, the 1st generation to experience such misfortune got depressed and passed it down to their seed, and they done the same with their children, so now we have whole families on the sick or cannot work because they don't know how to - I can't blame the people, peer and family pressure may be to blame today, but the market for jobs 20 years ago wasn't so bright, therefore I can't entirely blame the people for what has happened.
I can never blame the people for the destruction of community in the city. Arnold believes that you should be happy to live in a damp infested grey hole for a housing scheme, he seems to believe these products were produced by ordinary people, he says so above.
Either he's getting a fat bung from his masters at the council or he may have a bee in his bunnet because people were not as lucky as him to have escaped the wrath of Tory and Labour rule, which has, in turn produced so much social problems.
They created the marketplace for drugs and crime to flourish, in this dirty old town, there was really never a second option unless you lived like a Hobo or left to go to another country.
Once again, that's not the fault of ordinary people.
Brad wrote:
Emma, I suspect that part of the problem is that councillors - many of whom have been brought up in these places - think it's normal.
Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got.
I wonder where they were?
In truth, as jobs were being lost (long before Thatcher came in to power) it is fair to say that little employment opportunities were around to comensate for the loss, only till a few years ago - considering that is a good 30 years of no work for some, ultimately, the 1st generation to experience such misfortune got depressed and passed it down to their seed, and they done the same with their children, so now we have whole families on the sick or cannot work because they don't know how to - I can't blame the people, peer and family pressure may be to blame today, but the market for jobs 20 years ago wasn't so bright, therefore I can't entirely blame the people for what has happened.
I can never blame the people for the destruction of community in the city. Arnold believes that you should be happy to live in a damp infested grey hole for a housing scheme, he seems to believe these products were produced by ordinary people, he says so above.
Either he's getting a fat bung from his masters at the council or he may have a bee in his bunnet because people were not as lucky as him to have escaped the wrath of Tory and Labour rule, which has, in turn produced so much social problems.
They created the marketplace for drugs and crime to flourish, in this dirty old town, there was really never a second option unless you lived like a Hobo or left to go to another country.
Once again, that's not the fault of ordinary people.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 1:16pm Wed 13 Aug 08
I feel that the Bellgrove Hotel is being earmarked for some property developer (more brown envelopes)
I feel that the Bellgrove Hotel is being earmarked for some property developer (more brown envelopes)
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 1:45pm Wed 13 Aug 08
"Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got."
Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument.
I realise the idea that people might be responsible in some way for their own lives, their education, their employment, their housing, is a chilling, and perhaps terrifying, thought for you but it's true nonetheless.
It's frankly insulting to claim that people had no option but to turn to a life of drugs and crime. It's insulting to the many people who grew up in these areas and rejected both.
I cannot think of anything more likely to disempower people than the belief that their bad choices were not their choices at all - that they were mere victims of chance. Perhaps that's your aim.
"Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got."
Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument.
I realise the idea that people might be responsible in some way for their own lives, their education, their employment, their housing, is a chilling, and perhaps terrifying, thought for you but it's true nonetheless.
It's frankly insulting to claim that people had no option but to turn to a life of drugs and crime. It's insulting to the many people who grew up in these areas and rejected both.
I cannot think of anything more likely to disempower people than the belief that their bad choices were not their choices at all - that they were mere victims of chance. Perhaps that's your aim.
Posted by: Jordo82, Merchant City on 1:51pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Missing City, I do blame the people. Its to easy to sit back and blame everyone else but the fact is people choose whether to make a go of life or not. You dont have to be from a good area to succeed in lfe.
Granted, the people of Glasgow and Scotland in general have been failed by successive Westminster Governments but is that a real surprise to anyone?
People need to take responsibility for their own lives instead of churning out the same feeble excuses about being unable to work and succeed while claiming every benefit going.
You can rightly blame the decision makers, but your opinion that the people are exempt from any blame is ridiculous.
Missing City, I do blame the people. Its to easy to sit back and blame everyone else but the fact is people choose whether to make a go of life or not. You dont have to be from a good area to succeed in lfe.
Granted, the people of Glasgow and Scotland in general have been failed by successive Westminster Governments but is that a real surprise to anyone?
People need to take responsibility for their own lives instead of churning out the same feeble excuses about being unable to work and succeed while claiming every benefit going.
You can rightly blame the decision makers, but your opinion that the people are exempt from any blame is ridiculous.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 1:57pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.[/quote] FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an [bold]NOW[/bold] they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission". Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than [bold]a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks[/bold] swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Aye, that about covers this dross of a story.
As you say liebour have done SFA for this area
in over 60 years yet they try and con folk into thinking they actually give toss.
"And they revealed GHA, set up illegally by ubendy btw, is setting up a special taskforce to get the redevelopment of the area moving.
Task force = labour talk for doing fcuk all.
"GHA said private developers would then be invited into the area to build new homes and continue the regeneration. No final decision has been taken about the fate of the high flats in Whitevale Street but GHA said a decision would be taken in the near future".
This statement = GHA talk for we will be doing SFA just like labour have done in the last 60 0dd years.
Has no one told them private developers are being fcuked by the soaring inflation rate and the credit crunch and are not investing in new housing projects.
Will that be their get out clause?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
...local councillors and MSP Frank McAveety toured the rainy streets yesterday afternoon on a fact-finding mission.
FFS these clowns have recently been in power in the area for over 60 years an NOW they decide to go on a "fact-finding mission". Nothing betrays the deep, ingrained and absolute contempt that New Labour has for the ordinary people of Glasgow than a bunch of jumped-up, puffed-up pipsqueaks swanning aboot the Gallowgate calling themselves a "high-powered delegation"... makes you want tae puke!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Aye, that about covers this dross of a story.
As you say liebour have done SFA for this area
in over 60 years yet they try and con folk into thinking they actually give toss.
"And they revealed GHA, set up illegally by ubendy btw, is setting up a special taskforce to get the redevelopment of the area moving.
Task force = labour talk for doing fcuk all.
"GHA said private developers would then be invited into the area to build new homes and continue the regeneration. No final decision has been taken about the fate of the high flats in Whitevale Street but GHA said a decision would be taken in the near future".
This statement = GHA talk for we will be doing SFA just like labour have done in the last 60 0dd years.
Has no one told them private developers are being fcuked by the soaring inflation rate and the credit crunch and are not investing in new housing projects.
Will that be their get out clause?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:03pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wallace_Arnold[/bold] wrote:
"Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got." Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument. I realise the idea that people might be responsible in some way for their own lives, their education, their employment, their housing, is a chilling, and perhaps terrifying, thought for you but it's true nonetheless. It's frankly insulting to claim that people had no option but to turn to a life of drugs and crime. It's insulting to the many people who grew up in these areas and rejected both. I cannot think of anything more likely to disempower people than the belief that their bad choices were not their choices at all - that they were mere victims of chance. Perhaps that's your aim. [/quote] Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument.
What goes on now is different to what went on not so long ago, of course there are far more opportunities than what existed back then - it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play so if that means I am arguing with myself then I am lost to respond with your bizarre comment.
Always remember, that fabled crown - you may know what it was - The Second City, a title we lost in 1951 to Birmingham - was that the fault of the people or was it too much political intereference?
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"Shh - Don't Let Wallace Arnold hear you sayin that - he blames the people - he also claims that it was only a factory that closed down and there was plenty of other jobs that people in the east end or in other parts of the city or the country could have got." Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument. I realise the idea that people might be responsible in some way for their own lives, their education, their employment, their housing, is a chilling, and perhaps terrifying, thought for you but it's true nonetheless. It's frankly insulting to claim that people had no option but to turn to a life of drugs and crime. It's insulting to the many people who grew up in these areas and rejected both. I cannot think of anything more likely to disempower people than the belief that their bad choices were not their choices at all - that they were mere victims of chance. Perhaps that's your aim.
Plenty of people do have jobs - even in the East End - and plenty of jobs are advertised. I fail to see what's controversial with this view. I never said one factory closed and your distortion of that statement suggests you know only too well the paucity of your own argument.
What goes on now is different to what went on not so long ago, of course there are far more opportunities than what existed back then - it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play so if that means I am arguing with myself then I am lost to respond with your bizarre comment.
Always remember, that fabled crown - you may know what it was - The Second City, a title we lost in 1951 to Birmingham - was that the fault of the people or was it too much political intereference?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:13pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Jordo82[/bold] wrote:
Missing City, I do blame the people. Its to easy to sit back and blame everyone else but the fact is people choose whether to make a go of life or not. You dont have to be from a good area to succeed in lfe. Granted, the people of Glasgow and Scotland in general have been failed by successive Westminster Governments but is that a real surprise to anyone? People need to take responsibility for their own lives instead of churning out the same feeble excuses about being unable to work and succeed while claiming every benefit going. You can rightly blame the decision makers, but your opinion that the people are exempt from any blame is ridiculous.[/quote] When people are collectively grouped and zoned in an area which has been succumbed to mass unemployment and real prospects such as looking forward to a future in a dead end housing scheme and having no income, it makes for an interesting angle on how future society pans out.
For those who never saw this, were too frightened to go near these areas or were simply ighnorant to even put themselves in the shoes of such people, it really isn't surprising that the comments, views and opinions are not worth the price of used toilet roll - they may as well be politicians and fill their deep pockets
Good to see that you realise political interference from London had exacerbated this delicate issue which without it, may have produced a better city and a far more appealing country to live in (minus the weather).
Jordo82 wrote:
Missing City, I do blame the people. Its to easy to sit back and blame everyone else but the fact is people choose whether to make a go of life or not. You dont have to be from a good area to succeed in lfe. Granted, the people of Glasgow and Scotland in general have been failed by successive Westminster Governments but is that a real surprise to anyone? People need to take responsibility for their own lives instead of churning out the same feeble excuses about being unable to work and succeed while claiming every benefit going. You can rightly blame the decision makers, but your opinion that the people are exempt from any blame is ridiculous.
When people are collectively grouped and zoned in an area which has been succumbed to mass unemployment and real prospects such as looking forward to a future in a dead end housing scheme and having no income, it makes for an interesting angle on how future society pans out.
For those who never saw this, were too frightened to go near these areas or were simply ighnorant to even put themselves in the shoes of such people, it really isn't surprising that the comments, views and opinions are not worth the price of used toilet roll - they may as well be politicians and fill their deep pockets
Good to see that you realise political interference from London had exacerbated this delicate issue which without it, may have produced a better city and a far more appealing country to live in (minus the weather).
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 2:32pm Wed 13 Aug 08
"it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play"
So you're sticking to your belief that drugs and crime was/is the only option for certain Glaswegians.
The poor of the Victorian era suffered the effects of malnutrition. The 'poor' today suffer from the effects of over-eating and an excess of drugs and alcohol. Mainly, though, they suffer from the effects of subsidised apathy.
"it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play"
So you're sticking to your belief that drugs and crime was/is the only option for certain Glaswegians.
The poor of the Victorian era suffered the effects of malnutrition. The 'poor' today suffer from the effects of over-eating and an excess of drugs and alcohol. Mainly, though, they suffer from the effects of subsidised apathy.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:51pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wallace_Arnold[/bold] wrote:
"it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play" So you're sticking to your belief that drugs and crime was/is the only option for certain Glaswegians. The poor of the Victorian era suffered the effects of malnutrition. The 'poor' today suffer from the effects of over-eating and an excess of drugs and alcohol. Mainly, though, they suffer from the effects of subsidised apathy. [/quote] It was the common belief, even publications like the treasured daily Record said so, there was only a handful of jobs on the boards within Job Centres back in the 80's
Of course we would have loved it to have turned out as a totally different scenario, preferably one which didn't allow for so many people to become dependant on the toxins which they believe removes their depression, however, I believe their constant abuse of substances such as booze and heroin only exacerbates the mental state of the human brain.
Its disgusting, I don't support it in any way, you'd have to be a screwball to support that kinda behaviour which has been engineered into society, but that's whats been happening to our people, we are rank rotten and its high time it (the political and moral agenda) was changed.
Give the city something back and I guarantee the respect will return, give people a crap existence and certainly it will have a psychological impact - mostly of a negative state and this has been happening since the 70's after the effects of the city clearance programmes (Labour) which ultimately got worse with rising and sustained unemployment (Tories).
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"it appeared to me that bad choices were there to be made, nothing much else for it was the state of play" So you're sticking to your belief that drugs and crime was/is the only option for certain Glaswegians. The poor of the Victorian era suffered the effects of malnutrition. The 'poor' today suffer from the effects of over-eating and an excess of drugs and alcohol. Mainly, though, they suffer from the effects of subsidised apathy.
It was the common belief, even publications like the treasured daily Record said so, there was only a handful of jobs on the boards within Job Centres back in the 80's
Of course we would have loved it to have turned out as a totally different scenario, preferably one which didn't allow for so many people to become dependant on the toxins which they believe removes their depression, however, I believe their constant abuse of substances such as booze and heroin only exacerbates the mental state of the human brain.
Its disgusting, I don't support it in any way, you'd have to be a screwball to support that kinda behaviour which has been engineered into society, but that's whats been happening to our people, we are rank rotten and its high time it (the political and moral agenda) was changed.
Give the city something back and I guarantee the respect will return, give people a crap existence and certainly it will have a psychological impact - mostly of a negative state and this has been happening since the 70's after the effects of the city clearance programmes (Labour) which ultimately got worse with rising and sustained unemployment (Tories).
Posted by: butterfly-y, oz on 3:00pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Wow - the monkeys with red rosettes are really doing their best to persuade us that they are working for the best interests of Glasgow and Scotland. Problem is we know that they have done sweet fanni adams for the last 50 odd years apart from lining their own pockets. Sorry losers too little too late.
Wow - the monkeys with red rosettes are really doing their best to persuade us that they are working for the best interests of Glasgow and Scotland. Problem is we know that they have done sweet fanni adams for the last 50 odd years apart from lining their own pockets. Sorry losers too little too late.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:14pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]butterfly-y[/bold] wrote:
Wow - the monkeys with red rosettes are really doing their best to persuade us that they are working for the best interests of Glasgow and Scotland. Problem is we know that they have done sweet fanni adams for the last 50 odd years apart from lining their own pockets. Sorry losers too little too late. [/quote] That's it in a nutshell. These stories are so utterly depressing. The great "I ams" in life (McAveety et al) coming into the area to tell us all the good they will do.
Glasgow needs more decent social housing, strict policy on antisocial behaviour and neighbours, strict policy on paying your rent and jobs.
Glasgow does not need a commonwealth games which will bankrupt us and do nothing to help the poor of the city.
Regeneration?? Just clean the place up, FFS.
butterfly-y wrote:
Wow - the monkeys with red rosettes are really doing their best to persuade us that they are working for the best interests of Glasgow and Scotland. Problem is we know that they have done sweet fanni adams for the last 50 odd years apart from lining their own pockets. Sorry losers too little too late.
That's it in a nutshell. These stories are so utterly depressing. The great "I ams" in life (McAveety et al) coming into the area to tell us all the good they will do.
Glasgow needs more decent social housing, strict policy on antisocial behaviour and neighbours, strict policy on paying your rent and jobs.
Glasgow does not need a commonwealth games which will bankrupt us and do nothing to help the poor of the city.
Regeneration?? Just clean the place up, FFS.
Posted by: william murray, barrowfield on 3:26pm Wed 13 Aug 08
I am deiighted to hear the housing on the north
of the GALLOWGATE is to be regenerated as we in
BARROWFIELD have been,I just hope the people of the area get the same chance that our young people got such as APPRENTCESHIPS/jobs for local people,
I am deiighted to hear the housing on the north
of the GALLOWGATE is to be regenerated as we in
BARROWFIELD have been,I just hope the people of the area get the same chance that our young people got such as APPRENTCESHIPS/jobs for local people,
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 3:56pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 4:21pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]celtic4[/bold] wrote:
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.[/quote] Of course it is.
celtic4 wrote:
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.
Of course it is.
Posted by: raypaterson, Glasgow on 4:23pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]celtic4[/bold] wrote:
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.[/quote] I recently went with my daughter to the People's Palace, and we were perfectly safe. Don't believe everything you read, celtic4.
The day we were there, a few play groups were having a great time too.
celtic4 wrote:
Is it not safe to visit the People's Palace? I want to see that next year.
I recently went with my daughter to the People's Palace, and we were perfectly safe. Don't believe everything you read, celtic4.
The day we were there, a few play groups were having a great time too.
Posted by: norman mcnamee, rutherglen on 5:30pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Well lets see how fast they build these new houses etc
After the Commonwealth Games, aye right, surely these houses are needed now.
The area can be made nice, look at Gorbals.
Ok ,I dont think you will get rid of all of the problems but you have to make a start.
Peoples Palace, park my car and visit that area most weeks, never seen any problems.
Bye for now, norrie
Well lets see how fast they build these new houses etc
After the Commonwealth Games, aye right, surely these houses are needed now.
The area can be made nice, look at Gorbals.
Ok ,I dont think you will get rid of all of the problems but you have to make a start.
Peoples Palace, park my car and visit that area most weeks, never seen any problems.
Bye for now, norrie
Posted by: calton lass, calton g40 on 5:35pm Wed 13 Aug 08
As a resident in the calton maybe they should sort out all the housing area from merchant city up to dalmarnock lets face it all tennants are not bad in the calton/gallowgate area some people do work but can't afford to buy housing the gha and thenew need to sort the housing inbetwwen give the tennants something back we pay rent and council tax too yes there is gangs and fighting but this is in every ara in glasgow killings and drugs just a bit more here maybe because they keep rehousing the same kind in they can deal with this .There ir rats running around our backs in the interwar housing in the calton see how long it takes for them to deal with this matter as we have been complaning our bins are to small for the families here rubbish so black bags are on top of sheds and lying in backs now we have rats coming up drains deal with this council thenew calton area needs to be addressed too backs are slums rats ,bins, rubbish the lot you name it we have it and we are the eastend or are we part of the merchant city ???????????
As a resident in the calton maybe they should sort out all the housing area from merchant city up to dalmarnock lets face it all tennants are not bad in the calton/gallowgate area some people do work but can't afford to buy housing the gha and thenew need to sort the housing inbetwwen give the tennants something back we pay rent and council tax too yes there is gangs and fighting but this is in every ara in glasgow killings and drugs just a bit more here maybe because they keep rehousing the same kind in they can deal with this .There ir rats running around our backs in the interwar housing in the calton see how long it takes for them to deal with this matter as we have been complaning our bins are to small for the families here rubbish so black bags are on top of sheds and lying in backs now we have rats coming up drains deal with this council thenew calton area needs to be addressed too backs are slums rats ,bins, rubbish the lot you name it we have it and we are the eastend or are we part of the merchant city ???????????
Posted by: buddie, glasgow on 5:45pm Wed 13 Aug 08
did i read that the tower blocks will be pulled
down?
that would be just brill as you cant walk near
that area.
did i read that the tower blocks will be pulled
down?
that would be just brill as you cant walk near
that area.
Posted by: wpetelawrence, houston texas on 5:46pm Wed 13 Aug 08
labour has had there chance to clean up glasgow,they never followed through on their campaign promises....move over and let someone else do the job.....glasgow deserves better...a great city and good people
labour has had there chance to clean up glasgow,they never followed through on their campaign promises....move over and let someone else do the job.....glasgow deserves better...a great city and good people
Posted by: Judas, Glasgow on 6:01pm Wed 13 Aug 08
I see McAveety's had his coupon in the papers and on the telly a lot lately. You'd think he had an ulterior motive or summat...
I see McAveety's had his coupon in the papers and on the telly a lot lately. You'd think he had an ulterior motive or summat...
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:44pm Wed 13 Aug 08
"THEY came, they saw and they promised".
And they done bugger all as usual.
"THEY came, they saw and they promised".
And they done bugger all as usual.
Posted by: Bill Emerson, USA on 6:54pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Why did these three elected members need to visit the Gallowgate in such a high profile way to discover the area has a problem? Dont they work in the east end, represent the people there? Havent they been listening for 20 years?
As for the area being dangerous I always thought the scariest thing was the areas previous elected member.
Why did these three elected members need to visit the Gallowgate in such a high profile way to discover the area has a problem? Dont they work in the east end, represent the people there? Havent they been listening for 20 years?
As for the area being dangerous I always thought the scariest thing was the areas previous elected member.
Posted by: silvixen, Glasgow on 7:24pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Im completely underawed by the promises
Im completely underawed by the promises
Posted by: Eric Flack, Glasgow on 7:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Worked in the East End years ago. Heard all this before when millions were pumped in during the GEAR era. Where did all the money go during the Glasgow East Area Renewal project? Is this just to be another dusted down version?
Worked in the East End years ago. Heard all this before when millions were pumped in during the GEAR era. Where did all the money go during the Glasgow East Area Renewal project? Is this just to be another dusted down version?
Posted by: view, glasgow on 7:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
i wish the people of north glasgow had got rid of the labour mp in a by-election, the people of the east end must be wondering who these people are that were suposed to reprisent them,now they get to see them in the flesh,what were they doing for decades.
they even get the top kiddie from the gha in the area.
to tell them.
your housing will be pulled down,but if you have £150 grand upwards you can stay in the area.
the high flats in whitevale...will they be pulled down? we dont know says the gha top man,the people have only been kept in limbo for about 8 years.
same old,same old.
i wish the people of north glasgow had got rid of the labour mp in a by-election, the people of the east end must be wondering who these people are that were suposed to reprisent them,now they get to see them in the flesh,what were they doing for decades.
they even get the top kiddie from the gha in the area.
to tell them.
your housing will be pulled down,but if you have £150 grand upwards you can stay in the area.
the high flats in whitevale...will they be pulled down? we dont know says the gha top man,the people have only been kept in limbo for about 8 years.
same old,same old.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 8:16pm Wed 13 Aug 08
In an earlier thread about social housing and areas being regenerated, a poster made a point that there's no such thing as slum housing, only slum tenants.
If the replacement housing is subject to low maintenance and poor tenants, it's lifespan will be similarly short.
"Margaret Crawford, 49, who has lived in the area for 30 years, said her biggest concerns were gangs, under-age drinkers and knife crime."
What are the chances that the change to the physical environment will reduce any of Margaret's concerns?
In an earlier thread about social housing and areas being regenerated, a poster made a point that there's no such thing as slum housing, only slum tenants.
If the replacement housing is subject to low maintenance and poor tenants, it's lifespan will be similarly short.
"Margaret Crawford, 49, who has lived in the area for 30 years, said her biggest concerns were gangs, under-age drinkers and knife crime."
What are the chances that the change to the physical environment will reduce any of Margaret's concerns?
Posted by: paul on 8:55pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded.
Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.
Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded.
Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.
Posted by: nobby garside, glasgow on 9:21pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
...BTW where's the usual cooncil rent-a-mob? [italic]Taking a wee fully-funded trip tae the Far East perhaps?[/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] yes sydney . how dare these lot swan around glasgow patronising the poor east-enders . we dont need patroniseed by fat cat m.s.p s and councillors . we would rather be patronised by a bloated grease ball with big bulging eyes who rakes in two mega pay pkts for here and westminster & constantly laughs & grins when questioned by any political journalist . i wonder who i could be describing ? oh flowrra skotlin !
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
...BTW where's the usual cooncil rent-a-mob? Taking a wee fully-funded trip tae the Far East perhaps? -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
yes sydney . how dare these lot swan around glasgow patronising the poor east-enders . we dont need patroniseed by fat cat m.s.p s and councillors . we would rather be patronised by a bloated grease ball with big bulging eyes who rakes in two mega pay pkts for here and westminster & constantly laughs & grins when questioned by any political journalist . i wonder who i could be describing ? oh flowrra skotlin !
Posted by: Conclusion Jumper, Paisley on 9:35pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Glasgow is a midden in all honesty. I propose that it should be removed to help expand Paisley, with all the people decanted to Lanarkshire (that'll teach you) and then i could extend my driveway easier.
Glasgow is a midden in all honesty. I propose that it should be removed to help expand Paisley, with all the people decanted to Lanarkshire (that'll teach you) and then i could extend my driveway easier.
Posted by: Help Us, Gallowgate on 11:30pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Hi
I moved from a bad area to a worse area, im young and moving into my first home was supposed to be the time of your life its been the worst mistake ever,dont get me wrong when i first moved into my new flat we had cars getting dumped in the back court and set alight and people having sex at the bins, pressing the buzzers and the boys hitting golf balls off the car windows that pass and aiming for the buses etc all be it, it really is a lovely area, not a hint of sarcasm there. The pillar box gets used as a urinal and also the close doors which people like myself need to go out and clean.
I had to witness just the other day, a gentleman from the hostel standing with his fingers down his troat being sick into my garden, i have been the victim of one guy standing like some sort of pervert making rude gesters in the car and in the windows of the close from the hostel and also the poor people from the hostel roam the streets at all times of days and night
We have had mice in the gardens that run up the street from the hostel and local shops, not to mention i have witnessed the local shop selling underage.
Its not just all about the people who stay here its about everyone pulling together. Im fed up with the streets getting used as a free for all for all the people who park there cars and head for bus & trains!!!!
I would like to see a new hostel for the people, build new houses after all there is the commonwealth games and the new college on the site of the old meat market, surely its time we updated the place and got the council to back the people with the issues e.g parking, supplying a football pitch etc that is free for the kids to play on, like what you see for basketball/football it can be used for multi purpose, police on patrol on match days to stop all the illegal activity, with the people selling stuff on the streets and all the bottle throwing and wetting up against the doorways and getting the good people new houses and solving anti social behaviour
Hi
I moved from a bad area to a worse area, im young and moving into my first home was supposed to be the time of your life its been the worst mistake ever,dont get me wrong when i first moved into my new flat we had cars getting dumped in the back court and set alight and people having sex at the bins, pressing the buzzers and the boys hitting golf balls off the car windows that pass and aiming for the buses etc all be it, it really is a lovely area, not a hint of sarcasm there. The pillar box gets used as a urinal and also the close doors which people like myself need to go out and clean.
I had to witness just the other day, a gentleman from the hostel standing with his fingers down his troat being sick into my garden, i have been the victim of one guy standing like some sort of pervert making rude gesters in the car and in the windows of the close from the hostel and also the poor people from the hostel roam the streets at all times of days and night
We have had mice in the gardens that run up the street from the hostel and local shops, not to mention i have witnessed the local shop selling underage.
Its not just all about the people who stay here its about everyone pulling together. Im fed up with the streets getting used as a free for all for all the people who park there cars and head for bus & trains!!!!
I would like to see a new hostel for the people, build new houses after all there is the commonwealth games and the new college on the site of the old meat market, surely its time we updated the place and got the council to back the people with the issues e.g parking, supplying a football pitch etc that is free for the kids to play on, like what you see for basketball/football it can be used for multi purpose, police on patrol on match days to stop all the illegal activity, with the people selling stuff on the streets and all the bottle throwing and wetting up against the doorways and getting the good people new houses and solving anti social behaviour
Posted by: Help Us, Gallowgate on 11:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Hi
I moved from a bad area to a worse area, im young and moving into my first home was supposed to be the time of your life its been the worst mistake ever,dont get me wrong when i first moved into my new flat we had cars getting dumped in the back court and set alight and people having sex at the bins, pressing the buzzers and the boys hitting golf balls off the car windows that pass and aiming for the buses etc all be it, it really is a lovely area, not a hint of sarcasm there. The pillar box gets used as a urinal and also the close doors which people like myself need to go out and clean.
I had to witness just the other day, a gentleman from the hostel standing with his fingers down his troat being sick into my garden, i have been the victim of one guy standing like some sort of pervert making rude gesters in the car and in the windows of the close from the hostel and also the poor people from the hostel roam the streets at all times of days and night
We have had mice in the gardens that run up the street from the hostel and local shops, not to mention i have witnessed the local shop selling underage.
Its not just all about the people who stay here its about everyone pulling together. Im fed up with the streets getting used as a free for all for all the people who park there cars and head for bus & trains!!!!
I would like to see a new hostel for the people, build new houses after all there is the commonwealth games and the new college on the site of the old meat market, surely its time we updated the place and got the council to back the people with the issues e.g parking, supplying a football pitch etc that is free for the kids to play on, like what you see for basketball/football it can be used for multi purpose, police on patrol on match days to stop all the illegal activity, with the people selling stuff on the streets and all the bottle throwing and wetting up against the doorways and getting the good people new houses and solving anti social behaviour
Hi
I moved from a bad area to a worse area, im young and moving into my first home was supposed to be the time of your life its been the worst mistake ever,dont get me wrong when i first moved into my new flat we had cars getting dumped in the back court and set alight and people having sex at the bins, pressing the buzzers and the boys hitting golf balls off the car windows that pass and aiming for the buses etc all be it, it really is a lovely area, not a hint of sarcasm there. The pillar box gets used as a urinal and also the close doors which people like myself need to go out and clean.
I had to witness just the other day, a gentleman from the hostel standing with his fingers down his troat being sick into my garden, i have been the victim of one guy standing like some sort of pervert making rude gesters in the car and in the windows of the close from the hostel and also the poor people from the hostel roam the streets at all times of days and night
We have had mice in the gardens that run up the street from the hostel and local shops, not to mention i have witnessed the local shop selling underage.
Its not just all about the people who stay here its about everyone pulling together. Im fed up with the streets getting used as a free for all for all the people who park there cars and head for bus & trains!!!!
I would like to see a new hostel for the people, build new houses after all there is the commonwealth games and the new college on the site of the old meat market, surely its time we updated the place and got the council to back the people with the issues e.g parking, supplying a football pitch etc that is free for the kids to play on, like what you see for basketball/football it can be used for multi purpose, police on patrol on match days to stop all the illegal activity, with the people selling stuff on the streets and all the bottle throwing and wetting up against the doorways and getting the good people new houses and solving anti social behaviour
Posted by: anne calman, Toronto on 11:59pm Wed 13 Aug 08
I find it sad when i read how the Gallowgate has went right down hill, I grew up there in the 40s 50s and have nothing but happy memories of my time there,
I find it sad when i read how the Gallowgate has went right down hill, I grew up there in the 40s 50s and have nothing but happy memories of my time there,
Posted by: ross, glasgow on 8:57am Thu 14 Aug 08
i was born and bread in the calton i left some 18 years ago but always visit my family at weekends.its like bosnia but worse as ive been there also.there numerous drug dealers there also a few known familys whos kids would stab you in the back for no reason and are known by police. it's time for the goverment to come down hard on these b@stards and bring in stiffer penaltys .it's not the buildings that are a problem its the scumbag familys and there scumbag kids that need sorted out. the good people need a good sense of security.
i was born and bread in the calton i left some 18 years ago but always visit my family at weekends.its like bosnia but worse as ive been there also.there numerous drug dealers there also a few known familys whos kids would stab you in the back for no reason and are known by police. it's time for the goverment to come down hard on these b@stards and bring in stiffer penaltys .it's not the buildings that are a problem its the scumbag familys and there scumbag kids that need sorted out. the good people need a good sense of security.
Posted by: bibliotecaria, East End on 11:03am Thu 14 Aug 08
This sounds like a cosmetic exercise to save face when the East End is on show at the Commonwealth Games. This area has been neglected and ignored and permitted to fester into the anti-social disaster that it is now. We don't want to be a dumping ground for the people and housing that no-one else wants.
This sounds like a cosmetic exercise to save face when the East End is on show at the Commonwealth Games. This area has been neglected and ignored and permitted to fester into the anti-social disaster that it is now. We don't want to be a dumping ground for the people and housing that no-one else wants.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:27pm Thu 14 Aug 08
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote:
Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded. Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.[/quote] No its just the way the authorities wanted it
paul wrote:
Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded. Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.
No its just the way the authorities wanted it
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:28pm Thu 14 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote: Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded. Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.[/quote] No its just the way the authorities wanted it[/quote] And then they spin your head about for a vote so they can be rich and you are left in a the same garbage hole that is Glasgow
The Missing City wrote:
paul wrote: Came back to Glasgow to try to teach and give something back a few years ago after leaving high rise, poverty and lack of job chances in 1974 and having a successful career abroad, where hard work and integrity were rewarded. Sadly, after trying my very best, this place has me beat again. Reasons ? Still a violent and divided city, drugs, drink, gambling everywhere. Small minded, petty, "blame the English" mentality. Corruption everywhere. Its a scary place in the evenings. Please tell me its just me and I'm mistaken.
No its just the way the authorities wanted it
And then they spin your head about for a vote so they can be rich and you are left in a the same garbage hole that is Glasgow
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