Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:06am Wed 13 Aug 08
No sign of that Subway expansion yet then!
No sign of that Subway expansion yet then!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:30am Wed 13 Aug 08
DOH!!!
One property dealer has just lined his big, bulging pockets with 17 large; another dealer consortium recently walked away delighted after taking the city for 5.5 large... what do you think other greedy 'development' companies would be doing in the meantime - sitting back saying to themselves "Na, I can't be bothered making obscene profits for doing next to bugger-all, methinks we'll sit this one out"?
I once seen a Radio Clyde van in Sauchiehall Street stop to hand out fish suppers free to the passing public... there was a stampede, a riot and a rammy... and that was before the van could open its doors... get the picture!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
DOH!!!
One property dealer has just lined his big, bulging pockets with 17 large; another dealer consortium recently walked away delighted after taking the city for 5.5 large... what do you think other greedy 'development' companies would be doing in the meantime - sitting back saying to themselves "Na, I can't be bothered making obscene profits for doing next to bugger-all, methinks we'll sit this one out"?
I once seen a Radio Clyde van in Sauchiehall Street stop to hand out fish suppers free to the passing public... there was a stampede, a riot and a rammy... and that was before the van could open its doors... get the picture!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 11:59am Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jim[/bold] wrote:
No sign of that Subway expansion yet then![/quote] You'll wait a long time yet...
jim wrote:
No sign of that Subway expansion yet then!
You'll wait a long time yet...
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 12:30pm Wed 13 Aug 08
"MAJOR building firms are queuing up to be allowed to build the Athletes' Village for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.
Companies who are interested in getting involved in the project, which is likely to cost well over £100million, were asked by council chiefs to complete a detailed questionnaire."
As opposed to any other normal tendering process? Of course they are lining up, for the wads of public money being wasted here.
"MAJOR building firms are queuing up to be allowed to build the Athletes' Village for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.
Companies who are interested in getting involved in the project, which is likely to cost well over £100million, were asked by council chiefs to complete a detailed questionnaire."
As opposed to any other normal tendering process? Of course they are lining up, for the wads of public money being wasted here.
Posted by: Brad on 12:36pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote]As opposed to any other normal tendering process?[/quote]
No, this is a fairly normal tendering process.
As opposed to any other normal tendering process?
No, this is a fairly normal tendering process.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 12:43pm Wed 13 Aug 08
are big brown envelopes required in the bidding
are big brown envelopes required in the bidding
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:06pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Despite the revenue Glasgow winning the 2014 Commonwealth Games will supposedly bring in,
the upheaval and huge waste of tax payers money on i.e a cyclists velodrome in the East end of the city, when ordinary leisure centres are being neglected is a joke.
The millions being spent for a two week event is shocking, exactly how many people will reep the benefits of the post 2014 era ?
[bold]Higher taxes!
Higher costs in upkeeping elitist facilities.
Yuppification of the Clyde & East end with the arrival of the Commonwealth Village.[/bold]
The benefits may be many - but the huge amount of money being spent on a 2 week event when ordinary people will carry on living in damp, drafty, and cold housing.
And the homeless people of Glasgow will remain - and probably be brushed even further under the carpet what to G.C.C. have to say about that ?
Despite the revenue Glasgow winning the 2014 Commonwealth Games will supposedly bring in,
the upheaval and huge waste of tax payers money on i.e a cyclists velodrome in the East end of the city, when ordinary leisure centres are being neglected is a joke.
The millions being spent for a two week event is shocking, exactly how many people will reep the benefits of the post 2014 era ?
Higher taxes!
Higher costs in upkeeping elitist facilities.
Yuppification of the Clyde & East end with the arrival of the Commonwealth Village.
The benefits may be many - but the huge amount of money being spent on a 2 week event when ordinary people will carry on living in damp, drafty, and cold housing.
And the homeless people of Glasgow will remain - and probably be brushed even further under the carpet what to G.C.C. have to say about that ?
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 1:08pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote]Council leader Steven Purcell said: "The Commonwealth Games will provide many opportunities for Glasgow and the Athletes' Village will be one of the greatest providers of opportunities before and after 2014."[/quote]
Eh? Run that by me again.
Council leader Steven Purcell said: "The Commonwealth Games will provide many opportunities for Glasgow and the Athletes' Village will be one of the greatest providers of opportunities before and after 2014."
Eh? Run that by me again.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:24pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Council leader Steven Purcell said: "The Commonwealth Games will provide many opportunities for Glasgow and the Athletes' Village will be one of the greatest providers of opportunities before and after 2014."[/quote] Eh? Run that by me again.[/quote]
Stewie,
Councillor Purcell says alot of things, doesn't mean we have to believe a word of any of it. LOL ;-)
[bold]THOUGHT FOR THE DAY.[/bold]
Maybe someone should tell windbag Purcell this LOL!
[italic]"Never hold your farts in.
They travel up your spine into your brain,
and that is where sh!tty ideas come from!!!!"[/italic]
Have a nice day ;-)
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Council leader Steven Purcell said: "The Commonwealth Games will provide many opportunities for Glasgow and the Athletes' Village will be one of the greatest providers of opportunities before and after 2014."
Eh? Run that by me again.
Stewie,
Councillor Purcell says alot of things, doesn't mean we have to believe a word of any of it. LOL ;-)
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY.
Maybe someone should tell windbag Purcell this LOL!
"Never hold your farts in.
They travel up your spine into your brain,
and that is where sh!tty ideas come from!!!!"
Have a nice day ;-)
Posted by: Southside, Southside on 1:36pm Wed 13 Aug 08
What a bunch of sad people.
The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration.
It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city.
What a bunch of sad people.
The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration.
It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city.
Posted by: Stephen w, Glasgow on 1:57pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Southside[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city. [/quote] At last!
Someone with some optimism!
I can't wait for the games to come to the city :)
Southside wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city.
At last!
Someone with some optimism!
I can't wait for the games to come to the city :)
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:44pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Southside[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city. [/quote]
As much as I would like to believe your idealistic view the facts speak for themselves.
Daily assaults, stabbings, and ever more frequent shootings.
Admissions to A & E due to alcohol related injuries, or illnesses as high as ever.
Alcohol related crimes, violence, anti-social behaviour & arrests unacceptably high.
Levels of homelessness among residents of the city a constant problem, which is not being either properly acklowleged or addressed.
And, a growing number of Eastern European people residing in the city, selling the Big Issue, begging & busking.
Glasgow has alot of positives and great people, architecture and visitor attractions.
But, despite their overall control our politicians and councillors will always get in the way, with their u-turn style politics, legislation, and [italic]"we know best" [/italic] lets ignore the publics views and wishes attitude.
Southside wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city.
As much as I would like to believe your idealistic view the facts speak for themselves.
Daily assaults, stabbings, and ever more frequent shootings.
Admissions to A & E due to alcohol related injuries, or illnesses as high as ever.
Alcohol related crimes, violence, anti-social behaviour & arrests unacceptably high.
Levels of homelessness among residents of the city a constant problem, which is not being either properly acklowleged or addressed.
And, a growing number of Eastern European people residing in the city, selling the Big Issue, begging & busking.
Glasgow has alot of positives and great people, architecture and visitor attractions.
But, despite their overall control our politicians and councillors will always get in the way, with their u-turn style politics, legislation, and
"we know best" lets ignore the publics views and wishes attitude.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:29pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote]optimism[/quote]
Steady!
Posted by: fringebhoy, EAST KILBRIDE on 4:27pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Southside[/bold] wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city. [/quote] Whole heartedly agree! Look at the atmosphere the champions league final and uefa cup final generated for the city! The games will be great and I cant wait to be there, hampden cheering on all the hopefuls (and probably in our case the hopeless!) but it should make for a great occassion!!!!!
Southside wrote:
What a bunch of sad people. The Games are the best thing to happen to Glasgow for a long time. It's about the sport and secondly about regeneration. It's about time we started to have an optimistic approach to our city.
Whole heartedly agree! Look at the atmosphere the champions league final and uefa cup final generated for the city! The games will be great and I cant wait to be there, hampden cheering on all the hopefuls (and probably in our case the hopeless!) but it should make for a great occassion!!!!!
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 4:57pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Trouble is, the Scottish public are such a bunch of whinging moaners that no matter what the politicians put in front of them they'll find some way of rubbishing it. If the Government gave away £10 notes for £5 there would still be someone griping. Like a lot of people on this forum.
Is anyone here, saying that past initiatives like Glasgow's Miles Better (1983), Garden Festival (1988), City of Culture (1990), City of Architecture (1999) were a waste of time and money?? I seem to recall the same sort of cyncism towards all these things when they were the headlines of the day. Few people look back on them now and say they were bad for the city.
Sure there have been failures like the mass building of tower blocks, the M8 going through the centre of town, and the "schemes" of the 1960s, but GEAR for instance did a hell of a lot for the East End before it was terminated by Thatcher's government (you can't blame it all on Labour!). We had the refurbishment of the surviving tenements and council houses, new schools (Whitehill, Eastbank), new health centres (Shettleston, Bridgeton). Is the East End a better place beacuse all of this happened...sure it is!!
So lets not carp that someone wants to spend some more money in our area.
Trouble is, the Scottish public are such a bunch of whinging moaners that no matter what the politicians put in front of them they'll find some way of rubbishing it. If the Government gave away £10 notes for £5 there would still be someone griping. Like a lot of people on this forum.
Is anyone here, saying that past initiatives like Glasgow's Miles Better (1983), Garden Festival (1988), City of Culture (1990), City of Architecture (1999) were a waste of time and money?? I seem to recall the same sort of cyncism towards all these things when they were the headlines of the day. Few people look back on them now and say they were bad for the city.
Sure there have been failures like the mass building of tower blocks, the M8 going through the centre of town, and the "schemes" of the 1960s, but GEAR for instance did a hell of a lot for the East End before it was terminated by Thatcher's government (you can't blame it all on Labour!). We had the refurbishment of the surviving tenements and council houses, new schools (Whitehill, Eastbank), new health centres (Shettleston, Bridgeton). Is the East End a better place beacuse all of this happened...sure it is!!
So lets not carp that someone wants to spend some more money in our area.
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 5:32pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
DOH!!! One property dealer has just lined his big, bulging pockets with 17 large; another dealer consortium recently walked away delighted after taking the city for 5.5 large... what do you think other greedy 'development' companies would be doing in the meantime - sitting back saying to themselves "Na, I can't be bothered making obscene profits for doing next to bugger-all, methinks we'll sit this one out"? I once seen a Radio Clyde van in Sauchiehall Street stop to hand out fish suppers free to the passing public... there was a stampede, a riot and a rammy... and that was before the van could open its doors... get the picture!!! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] How else can the work be carried out/funded.
There is NO budget within GCC or scottish government to pay for the athletes village
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
DOH!!! One property dealer has just lined his big, bulging pockets with 17 large; another dealer consortium recently walked away delighted after taking the city for 5.5 large... what do you think other greedy 'development' companies would be doing in the meantime - sitting back saying to themselves "Na, I can't be bothered making obscene profits for doing next to bugger-all, methinks we'll sit this one out"? I once seen a Radio Clyde van in Sauchiehall Street stop to hand out fish suppers free to the passing public... there was a stampede, a riot and a rammy... and that was before the van could open its doors... get the picture!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
How else can the work be carried out/funded.
There is NO budget within GCC or scottish government to pay for the athletes village
Posted by: Carlos123, Hampshire on 5:47pm Wed 13 Aug 08
Make sure the Games Village has shops and fully equipped medical facilities (including dentistry) and insist that the equipment is not removed when the Games end. You then have medical facilities on hand when the place is turned into a village for local people. Don't create another Castlemilk which had no shops etc when first built, leading to major problems for the surrounding areas and depression for the people made to live there without the facilities they were used to having - shops and pubs on the doorstep.
Make sure the Games Village has shops and fully equipped medical facilities (including dentistry) and insist that the equipment is not removed when the Games end. You then have medical facilities on hand when the place is turned into a village for local people. Don't create another Castlemilk which had no shops etc when first built, leading to major problems for the surrounding areas and depression for the people made to live there without the facilities they were used to having - shops and pubs on the doorstep.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:31pm Wed 13 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Carlos123[/bold] wrote:
Make sure the Games Village has shops and fully equipped medical facilities (including dentistry) and insist that the equipment is not removed when the Games end. You then have medical facilities on hand when the place is turned into a village for local people. Don't create another Castlemilk which had no shops etc when first built, leading to major problems for the surrounding areas and depression for the people made to live there without the facilities they were used to having - shops and pubs on the doorstep.[/quote]
Good point caller!
Just not so sure the politicians, or councillors alike will have the same insight or common sense. In fact to be either of them, you have to swear to never resort to using common sense or insight for fear the public might just be right. Woooooh - scarey!!!
Just as with so many projects like this, it's never thought through properly.
The regeneration of the banks of the Clyde, so many private flats, and offices along the lengths of it. As well as the sniff of a city centre marina in the making.
Yet where are the riverside retail units, cafes, and pontoons along it's entirety. Yes, we have Braehead & the Springfield Quay retail park, but no access to either via the river itself. Why not ?
Again it's just about joined up thinking, and taking on ideas and suggestions to encompass all areas, not just providing for the elite, and yuppies so they come into the city to spend their money.
Money may make the world go round, but when it comes to creative thinking, imagination and common sense none of these things can be bought.
Carlos123 wrote:
Make sure the Games Village has shops and fully equipped medical facilities (including dentistry) and insist that the equipment is not removed when the Games end. You then have medical facilities on hand when the place is turned into a village for local people. Don't create another Castlemilk which had no shops etc when first built, leading to major problems for the surrounding areas and depression for the people made to live there without the facilities they were used to having - shops and pubs on the doorstep.
Good point caller!
Just not so sure the politicians, or councillors alike will have the same insight or common sense. In fact to be either of them, you have to swear to never resort to using common sense or insight for fear the public might just be right. Woooooh - scarey!!!
Just as with so many projects like this, it's never thought through properly.
The regeneration of the banks of the Clyde, so many private flats, and offices along the lengths of it. As well as the sniff of a city centre marina in the making.
Yet where are the riverside retail units, cafes, and pontoons along it's entirety. Yes, we have Braehead & the Springfield Quay retail park, but no access to either via the river itself. Why not ?
Again it's just about joined up thinking, and taking on ideas and suggestions to encompass all areas, not just providing for the elite, and yuppies so they come into the city to spend their money.
Money may make the world go round, but when it comes to creative thinking, imagination and common sense none of these things can be bought.
Posted by: Smeeagain, Lanarkshire on 8:19am Thu 14 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
Trouble is, the Scottish public are such a bunch of whinging moaners that no matter what the politicians put in front of them they'll find some way of rubbishing it. If the Government gave away £10 notes for £5 there would still be someone griping. Like a lot of people on this forum. Is anyone here, saying that past initiatives like Glasgow's Miles Better (1983), Garden Festival (1988), City of Culture (1990), City of Architecture (1999) were a waste of time and money?? I seem to recall the same sort of cyncism towards all these things when they were the headlines of the day. Few people look back on them now and say they were bad for the city. Sure there have been failures like the mass building of tower blocks, the M8 going through the centre of town, and the "schemes" of the 1960s, but GEAR for instance did a hell of a lot for the East End before it was terminated by Thatcher's government (you can't blame it all on Labour!). We had the refurbishment of the surviving tenements and council houses, new schools (Whitehill, Eastbank), new health centres (Shettleston, Bridgeton). Is the East End a better place beacuse all of this happened...sure it is!! So lets not carp that someone wants to spend some more money in our area.[/quote] I was with you, mostly, until you mentioned GEAR, oh dear!
The single biggest contribution that made any real impact on the east end of Glasgow was the investment in housing - which had little to do with GEAR other than being included in a list of proposals and coloured up on a plan. The investments for the most part were already planned either by houisng associations or by the old SSHA,(Scottish Special Housing Association).
GEAR had already been started as a co-ordination exercise by the old Glasgow District Council - co-ordination of existing proposals by a range of agencies to try to make better use of money available for change. The hype started when the Scottish Developemnt Agency was put into place - the government of the day needed somewhere for the staff left after Stonehouse New Town was abandoned - and threw money at the exercise to justify their existence. Now, what would really have changed the east end would have been the creation and continuation of jobs for east end people. Did that happen? To an extent, yes, but what was left after GEAR - a few small factory units, not many new firms or permanent jobs - because all the grants and rent free deals had ended. Oh yes there was some landscaping on vacant sites - I think a lot of them are still around too!
The schools, the health centres were already planned or in the pipeline - they didn't happen because of GEAR.
This time round I think the Council will make a far better job of things; the planning and co-ordination has been going on for a good while and under the guidance and leadership of officials who have loads of experience and expertise - far more than existed at the time of GEAR. I hope the games are successful and that people will enjoy the attention focussed on the city.
Sydney and People Power - get a life and try to use your knowledge and love of the city in a more positive way. She deserves more than your constant moaning.
RapidAssistant wrote:
Trouble is, the Scottish public are such a bunch of whinging moaners that no matter what the politicians put in front of them they'll find some way of rubbishing it. If the Government gave away £10 notes for £5 there would still be someone griping. Like a lot of people on this forum. Is anyone here, saying that past initiatives like Glasgow's Miles Better (1983), Garden Festival (1988), City of Culture (1990), City of Architecture (1999) were a waste of time and money?? I seem to recall the same sort of cyncism towards all these things when they were the headlines of the day. Few people look back on them now and say they were bad for the city. Sure there have been failures like the mass building of tower blocks, the M8 going through the centre of town, and the "schemes" of the 1960s, but GEAR for instance did a hell of a lot for the East End before it was terminated by Thatcher's government (you can't blame it all on Labour!). We had the refurbishment of the surviving tenements and council houses, new schools (Whitehill, Eastbank), new health centres (Shettleston, Bridgeton). Is the East End a better place beacuse all of this happened...sure it is!! So lets not carp that someone wants to spend some more money in our area.
I was with you, mostly, until you mentioned GEAR, oh dear!
The single biggest contribution that made any real impact on the east end of Glasgow was the investment in housing - which had little to do with GEAR other than being included in a list of proposals and coloured up on a plan. The investments for the most part were already planned either by houisng associations or by the old SSHA,(Scottish Special Housing Association).
GEAR had already been started as a co-ordination exercise by the old Glasgow District Council - co-ordination of existing proposals by a range of agencies to try to make better use of money available for change. The hype started when the Scottish Developemnt Agency was put into place - the government of the day needed somewhere for the staff left after Stonehouse New Town was abandoned - and threw money at the exercise to justify their existence. Now, what would really have changed the east end would have been the creation and continuation of jobs for east end people. Did that happen? To an extent, yes, but what was left after GEAR - a few small factory units, not many new firms or permanent jobs - because all the grants and rent free deals had ended. Oh yes there was some landscaping on vacant sites - I think a lot of them are still around too!
The schools, the health centres were already planned or in the pipeline - they didn't happen because of GEAR.
This time round I think the Council will make a far better job of things; the planning and co-ordination has been going on for a good while and under the guidance and leadership of officials who have loads of experience and expertise - far more than existed at the time of GEAR. I hope the games are successful and that people will enjoy the attention focussed on the city.
Sydney and People Power - get a life and try to use your knowledge and love of the city in a more positive way. She deserves more than your constant moaning.
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