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<b>IMPORTANT NUMBERS:</b><p> GLASGOW <p>Social Work Standby Service: 0800 811505. Hamish Allan Centre (homelessness): 0141 287 1800 or 0800 838502. <p>WEST DUNBARTONSHIRE <p>Up to date information can be obtained from the council's call centre (01389 738282) or the website www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk <p>EAST DUNBARTONSHIRE <p>www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk <p>INVERCLYDE  <p>www.inverclyde.gov.uk <p>EAST RENFREWSHIRE  <p>Social workers: 0141 577 8300. For council house emergency repairs phone: plumber 07880 502 348, joiner 07798 646 706, electrician 07767 380 288. <p>For homelessness, call 07876 478 590. Also see the website www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk or call 0141 577 3001. <p>RENFREWSHIRE <p>www.renfrewshire.gov.uk, particularly to find which  <p>schools are open. For housing emergencies between 8.45am and 4.45pm, call 0141 889 5296. For council house repairs or 07900 190816. For homelessness inquiries call 0141 840 3402. To report a dangerous building, call 0141 889 5296. For dangerous road defects or flooding phone 0141 889 2314, both during normal office hours. Details on public sports centres and swimming pools can be found on www.renfrewshireleisure.com or call 0141 889 4000. <p>SOUTH LANARKSHIRE <p>www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk <p>NORTH LANARKSHIRE <p>Emergency Social Work services can be contacted on 01698 332139, 332114 or 332137 8.45am-4.45pm. West of Scotland social work services: 0800 811505 after office hours. Check the council's website, www.northlan.gov.uk <p>EAST AYRSHIRE <p>The emergency contact number is 08457 240000. <p>NORTH AYRSHIRE <p>www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk <p>
IMPORTANT NUMBERS:

GLASGOW

Social Work Standby Service: 0800 811505. Hamish Allan Centre (homelessness): 0141 287 1800 or 0800 838502.

WEST DUNBARTONSHIRE

Up to date information can be obtained from the council's call centre (01389 738282) or the website www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk

EAST DUNBARTONSHIRE

www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk

INVERCLYDE

www.inverclyde.gov.uk

EAST RENFREWSHIRE

Social workers: 0141 577 8300. For council house emergency repairs phone: plumber 07880 502 348, joiner 07798 646 706, electrician 07767 380 288.

For homelessness, call 07876 478 590. Also see the website www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk or call 0141 577 3001.

RENFREWSHIRE

www.renfrewshire.gov.uk, particularly to find which

schools are open. For housing emergencies between 8.45am and 4.45pm, call 0141 889 5296. For council house repairs or 07900 190816. For homelessness inquiries call 0141 840 3402. To report a dangerous building, call 0141 889 5296. For dangerous road defects or flooding phone 0141 889 2314, both during normal office hours. Details on public sports centres and swimming pools can be found on www.renfrewshireleisure.com or call 0141 889 4000.

SOUTH LANARKSHIRE

www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk

NORTH LANARKSHIRE

Emergency Social Work services can be contacted on 01698 332139, 332114 or 332137 8.45am-4.45pm. West of Scotland social work services: 0800 811505 after office hours. Check the council's website, www.northlan.gov.uk

EAST AYRSHIRE

The emergency contact number is 08457 240000.

NORTH AYRSHIRE

www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk

 

by John McCann

PRIMARY schools across Glasgow stayed shut and council services ground to a halt today as thousands of workers staged a strike over pay.

Bin collections were cancelled and crematoria and cemeteries refused any bookings as staff mounted picket lines at key council offices in a national 24-hour stoppage.

Care services run by social work staff were reduced to emergency cover only after last-minute appeals failed to halt the action.

Staff also stopped work at libraries, museums and sport facilities across the city.

A spokesman for Culture and Sport Glasgow, an indendent charity said they hoped that their facilities would remain open but urged people planning on going to museums libraries or sports facilities to check before they visit.

Schools remained shut in other parts of the West of Scotland, including East and West Dunbartonshire, but other authorities kept their schools open without support staff.

Today negotiators called on Finance Secretary John Swinney to give councils the cash that would allow an improvement on a below-inflation deal rejected by the estimated 100,000 Scottish staff on strike today.

Last night, Mr Swinney made a personal appeal to the president of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities Pat Watters, and the Scottish secretary of Unison union, Matt Smith, for "dialogue" to take place.

But unions said his plea needed to be backed with cash and hoped the public would support them.

Local authorities said school buses could be affected and told parents that meals would not be provided, even in buildings that were otherwise unaffected by the strike.

And ferry operator Caledonian MacBrayne cancelled sailings from Rothesay and Dunoon piers because of action by Argyll and Bute Council workers.

Members of Unison, Unite and the GMB unions are angry that local authorities are prepared to offer them only 2.5% for each of the next three years at a time of rising inflation.

Unison's general secretary Dave Prentis visited picket lines Glasgow this morning as he prepared to address a rally later in George Square.

He said: "Our members are taking this action very reluctantly.

"They care deeply about the vital services they provide and those who depend on them and we apologise for any disruption.

"However, members feel that they have no choice."

Cosla spokesman Michael Cook said: "We have made an offer in good faith which was in line with inflation when we made it and was at the top of what councils could afford."

"We told the trade unions we could still talk but they went ahead with the strike anyway.

"We are extremely disappointed given the effect this strike will have on the services councils deliver to our local communities."

Unite said the pay rise offered was just half the real rate of inflation which hit a 16-year high of 5% this month, amounting to a cut in wages for staff who were already low paid.

Jimmy Farrelly, the union's regional officer for Glasgow and Edinburgh said: "Unite members in local government have been subjected to a range of efficiency measures in the past few years but employers have completely failed to address the issue of low pay.

"This offer would be worth 15 pence an hour to the lower paid workers."

Mr Farrelly said that councils had insisted there was no cash to fund a better deal and insisted: "Both the employers and the Scottish government have a duty to intervene to end this damaging dispute."

Alex McLuckie, GMB Scotland's Senior Organiser for Local Government said, "No one can be surprised that workers are taking action to make clear to their employer that they will not tolerate a pay cut."

A spokesman for Glasgow City Council said: "We are endeavouring to ensure that we continue to run as many services as possible."

WHAT'S AFFECTED: Council-by-council

GLASGOW

Most primaries, special educational needs schools and nurseries to be closed. Secondary schools open as normal.

No refuse collections will take place today.

Wheeled Bin Service: Bins should not be placed on the street today and should be presented as normal on Wednesday August 27 when any additional bagged waste will also be collected.

Recycling ( Blue or Brown bins ): Bins should not be placed on the street and should instead be presented on the next scheduled collection day, when any additional bagged waste will also be collected.

Tenement / Maisonette Properties: Refuse will be collected on either Thursday, August 21, or Friday, August 22.

Bulk Uplift Service: There is likely to be some lasting disruption to this service and items should not be placed on the street until Monday, August 25, at the earliest - and only then on the scheduled day of collection.

As a contingency measure no bookings have been taken for bereavement services today.

Some exemptions have been agreed in social work and emergency cover will be available.

Emergency contacts for clients are: Social Work Standby Service (social work) - 0800 811505. Hamish Allan Centre (homelessness) - 0141 287 1800 or freephone 0800 838502. Exemptions have also been agreed for a number of residential care staff.

All museums and libraries and leisure centres are run by Culture and Sport Glasgow and should remain open. But bosses say there may be some disruption and anyone visiting a museum, library or sports facility should contact the facility ahead of their visit.

WEST DUNBARTONSHIRE

West Dunbartonshire Council say essential services are being provided.

But schools, including special schools, and nurseries are closed.

Home care, sheltered housing supervisors who provide emergency response to vulnerable people and social work response for child protection, adult protection and mental health emergencies are available.

Residential units for children and young people and residential units for adults and older people are open. Emergency housing repairs are also available.

Up to date information can be obtained from the council's call centre (01389 738282) and service users are advised to visit the council's website on www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk for regular updates.

EAST DUNBARTONSHIRE:

All Council buildings, including schools, libraries, community centres and other public buildings are closed.

The following emergency services are operating: Homecare for clients requiring seven-day support packages Emergency Social Work Services for Child Protection, Mental Health and Hospital Liaison Emergency standby service for the Homelessness Team Emergency standby service for the Environmental Health Team Emergency standby service for the Roads and Waste Management Teams For updated information go to www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk

INVERCLYDE

Contingency plans have been put in place to ensure disruption is kept to a minimum.

All Inverclyde Schools are open as normal.

Catering services and school crossing patrollers are affected.

Nurseries and family centres were due to open.

Essential services such as Meals on Wheels, Child Care Residential Units. Homelessness Service, Learning Disability Housing Support, Care at Home, Community Alarm Service, Personal Care, Hospital Discharge Service, Child Protection and Vulnerable Adults are operating as usual. Emergency cover is available.

It is likely that there will be a knock on effect for refuse collection for the rest of the week. If this is the case, bins will be collected one day later than usual.

No burials or cremations are scheduled but the service will not be available in any case.

All libraries will be closed for the day and the McLean Museum will be closed.

Updated information is available on www.inverclyde.gov.uk

EAST RENFREWSHIRE

Schools are open but there will be no catering and pupils should bring a packed lunch.

Nursery education is affected with people advised to check with their nursery.

Council offices will be open.

Refuse, garden waste and recycling collections are cancelled.

Leisure centres are closed.

Library services are affected.

Club and community lets in council premises are cancelled, lets in Private Public Partnership and Public Finance Initiative schools are not affected Emergency contact numbers are; To speak to a social worker urgently, phone 0141 577 8300 For council house emergency repairs phone: plumber 07880 502 348, joiner 07798 646 706, electrician 07767 380 288 For homelessness, call 07876 478 590 Updated information is available on the council website at www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk or from 0141 577 3001.

RENFREWSHIRE

All primary schools are open. With two exceptions, all secondary schools are open for S4, S5 and S6 pupils only. Parents of pupils at Johnstone High and Castlehead High have already been advised that those schools will reopen on Friday, August 22, and Tuesday, August 26, respectively due to major refurbishment work.

All special schools will be closed. Parents of nursery children will be advised on arrangements by individual nursery heads.

For the latest information, the council is advising people to check its website www.renfrewshire.gov.uk, particularly in relation to which schools are open.

The council headquarters, Renfrewshire House in Cotton Street, Paisley, will be closed to the public as will the adjoining Customer Service Centre.

Most social work services and projects are closed or drastically reduced. A reduced level of home care services is available. A limited service for people who urgently need to contact the Social Work department is available between 8.45am and 4.45pm on 0141 842 5151.

All libraries are closed. Paisley Museum and Art Galleries, Coats Observatory, Johnstone Town Hall, Paisley Arts Centre and Paisley Town Hall are closed.

All frontline environmental services, including refuse collection, will be disrupted.

All housing offices are closed. There will be no concierge, caretaking or sheltered warden service available. For genuine housing emergencies between 8.45am and 4.45pm contact 0141 889 5296 or 07900 190816 for council house repairs and 0141 840 3402 regarding homelessness.

To report a dangerous building, people can call 0141 889 5296. Dangerous road defects or flooding can be reported on 0141 889 2314 - both during normal office hours.

Public sports centres and swimming pools in Renfrewshire operated by Renfrewshire Leisure Ltd are likely to be closed. Further details are available on www.renfrewshireleisure.com or call 0141 889 4000.

SOUTH LANARKSHIRE

Education Of the 124 primary schools, 23 are open and of the 17 secondary schools eight are open.

The following schools are open; Abington, Auchengray, Auldhouse, ,Beckford, Bent, Braidwood, Burgh, Castlefield, Coalburn, Coulter, Crawford, Douglas, Gilmourton, Glassford, Lamington, Libberton, Neilsland, Sandford, St John's (Hamilton), Stablestone, Tinto, Wester Overton and Woodside Primary Schools.

Calderglen High School, Calderside Academy, Carluke High School, Duncanrig Secondary School, Holy Cross High School, Lesmahagow High School, St Andrew's and St Bride's High School, Stonelaw High School and Kittoch School are also open.

It is likely that school meals will not be provided.

All council nurseries are closed.

There will be no bin uplift today. Residents are asked to put their bins out on Thursday instead and we will uplift as soon as possible on Thursday or Friday. There will be no special uplifts for garden waste or bulky household waste today, Thursday or Friday. The civic amenity sites will be open with the exception of the Carluke Civic Amenity Site There will be no burials or cremations today. Arrangements are being made to minimise disruption for burials and cremations being held tomorrow.

Welfare meals will be prepared and delivered as normal.

All Social Work Adult Day Care centres and day care centres for older people are closed.

Residential care is business as usual.

Home care is operating for personal care duties only. The duty team will operate a public holiday cover service.

Social Work Care and Support is business as usual.

Social Workers have been exempted to cover child protection, adult and older people services and court duties. Six duty social workers will be on call and the social Work standby service will become operational at 4.45pm.

All libraries are closed, with the exception of Calderwood in East Kilbride.

All community halls and country park buildings are closed.

More updated information will be available on www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk

NORTH LANARKSHIRE

All primary and secondary schools will be open and mainstream school bus services will operate.

Nurseries, special needs schools, libraries, museums and community centres will all be closed and there will be no uplift of domestic or commercial rubbish.

The meals on wheels service continues for vulnerable residents who receive the service daily, while there is emergency catering cover in the council's residential care facilities.

Residential homes for older people and residential children's units are operating with minimum cover.

The community alarms service will remain operative for emergency situations, while the emergency repairs service and social work services will respond to urgent calls.

For the latest info on how services could be affected, check the council's website, www.northlan.gov.uk.

Emergency Social Work services can be contacted on 01698 332139, 332114 or 332137 between 8.45am and 4.45pm. West of Scotland social work services can be contacted on 0800 811505 after office hours.

EAST AYRSHIRE

All schools and nurseries are closed.

Trade Unions have granted exemptions to the industrial action for certain support staff who work with vulnerable pupils with identified additional support needs in Special Educational Needs bases attached to schools. Parents/ carers of pupils who attend such facilities were being contacted direct by the headteacher.

There is no refuse collection and the civic amenity site at Western Road, Kilmarnock, is also closed.

Bins normally collected on a Wednesday should not be put out for uplift. Residual waste bins should be placed at the normal collections point tomorrow and they will be uplifted over Thursday and Friday. Paper and garden waste bins normally uplifted on Wednesday should be placed on Monday, August 25, and they will be uplifted over the next two to three days. Black boxes should be presented at the next scheduled collection dates however local recycling sites will be available throughout.

Only key emergency services will be provided during the industrial action.

In an emergency call 08457 240000.

The agreed exemptions to the strike include; Personal carers in the Home Care Service Two team managers to cover child protection Registration - offices for booked wedding ceremonies only Emergency Roads and Lighting staff Homeless hostels

NORTH AYRSHIRE COUNCIL

Primary schools and special needs schools are open. Secondary schools are open to 4th, 5th and 6th year pupils only, however no school meals are available. Nurseries were expected to close.

The council advises people to put out their bins as normal, however if they are not collected today, they will be collected on Thursday or Friday. No community centres are open.

Publication date 20/08/08

Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:08am Wed 20 Aug 08
A spokesman for Culture and Sport Glasgow, an indendent charity said they hoped that their facilities would remain open but urged people planning on going to museums libraries or sports facilities to check before they visit.

You bet they should check, but it is nothing to do with the strike that swimming pool facilities are still closed at Pollok, Easerhouse (TP) and Scotstoun, that's just down to the usual incompetence of the private charitable company.

--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 11:19am Wed 20 Aug 08
At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa.
Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:19am Wed 20 Aug 08
Lets see how many of these fools are still standing out in the heavy rain by lunchtime! But of course by lunchtime the pubs will be open so they either be home moaning about low pay (£6ph) or sitting in the pub. When they should be out at the job centre seeing what they would earn if they worked else where doing the same job!

Over 70% of ET readers voted in favour of the Scottish govt giving more money to meet these ransom demands.

Do they same % of people agree to pay higher tax to cover these crazy demands?
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:21am Wed 20 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted wrote:
At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa.
Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Karma !!!
Posted by: jim_the_tim_04, GLASGOW on 11:25am Wed 20 Aug 08
GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
Posted by: BeeSee on 11:26am Wed 20 Aug 08
Can someone tell me where all the striking staff are?
Only a couple in front of each building in the city centre and although my kids school is closed (17 staff striking) there is no picket line??
Got to assume they are using this valuable opportunity to raise awareness for their plight (guaranteed 2.5% wage increase every year)to get the shooping in whilst theres no queue at tesco.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 11:32am Wed 20 Aug 08
hugo wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote: At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa. Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Karma !!!
chameleon.

This is Karma for the incompetents and the tin pot dictators that I deal with on a daily basis within the councils.

And as BeeSee notes............. where are all the disgruntled members who are striking for the good of all workers? How many workers are cliaming to be low paid? How many are on strike and are in support of strike action? Where are they all?
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:32am Wed 20 Aug 08
jim_the_tim_04 wrote:
GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
HA HA your a comedian mate,

Are you willing to pay more in tax to cover the demands?

Do you think 2.5% is not a good pay rise?
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 11:47am Wed 20 Aug 08
jim_the_tim_04 wrote:
GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want?
That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:50am Wed 20 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
Posted by: jim_the_tim_04, GLASGOW on 11:50am Wed 20 Aug 08
YES I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE TAX..2.5% IS NOT A DECENT PAY RISE FOR THE JOBS THAT THEY DO.AS FOR BEING A COMEDIAN I JUST HAD TO LAUGH AT YOUR COMMENTS
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:58am Wed 20 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
That's because he is! ;-)

He's also dumb and stupid!

--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:00pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
ooh, look's who's up.

I hate this "poor council workers" act. "Oh we are so hard done by. We do such horrible jobs that no one else in the world could do".

You sweep the streets with a brush, you take a wheelie bin from the kerb and put it onto the back of a lorry that lifts it and empties it for you.
Yeah, that's right up there with a nurse who on a Saturday night gets abused or spat on while trying to pick teh glass out of a wee drunk neds head. Or a care home worker who has to go in and clean up after one of her elderly patients has had an accident in the middle of the night.

How my heart bleeds for you poor council workers!!!
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:01pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
That's because he is! ;-) He's also dumb and stupid! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Tell me I'm wrong about the pension scheme then Syd?
Posted by: Alan Hall, glasgow on 12:07pm Wed 20 Aug 08
It is a real must that all three unions must get round the table at Acas and hammer out a deal ASAP. They should get round the table as of Thursday the 21st, and stay round that table for as long as it takes to get the deal they want, even if it take weeks to do it.
Then the workers themselves will be happier at not being forced to walk out on strike when they can not afford to do so. I want to hear on the news on tv and radio that all three unions are now to go to Acas to hammer out a deal. The message to the three union leaders is, just don't sit on your fat back sides doing nothing, get round the table at Acas as of tomorrow, Thursday and talk for weeks to hammer out a deal.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:07pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
That's because he is! ;-) He's also dumb and stupid! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Tell me I'm wrong about the pension scheme then Syd?
Okay... you're wrong about the pension scheme!

--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:12pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
OK, how about the workers don't pay into the pension fund? The money that is paid in every month from their salary can just go into their pay packet and they can organise their own pension, if they want? That would also free up more money as the council wouldn't be paying in a contribution either.
You seem so sad and bitter.
That's because he is! ;-) He's also dumb and stupid! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Tell me I'm wrong about the pension scheme then Syd?
Okay... you're wrong about the pension scheme! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Quality!
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 12:20pm Wed 20 Aug 08
jim_the_tim_04 wrote:
YES I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE TAX..2.5% IS NOT A DECENT PAY RISE FOR THE JOBS THAT THEY DO.AS FOR BEING A COMEDIAN I JUST HAD TO LAUGH AT YOUR COMMENTS
I really admire you and your high earning job! In times when prices are going up and we have been given 2% pay rise with some people getting a pay freeze and you are offering to pay higher tax!!

You're amazing or stupid!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:40pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote:
YES I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE TAX..2.5% IS NOT A DECENT PAY RISE FOR THE JOBS THAT THEY DO.AS FOR BEING A COMEDIAN I JUST HAD TO LAUGH AT YOUR COMMENTS
I really admire you and your high earning job! In times when prices are going up and we have been given 2% pay rise with some people getting a pay freeze and you are offering to pay higher tax!!

You're amazing or stupid!
High earning job you say... well let's not forget that the chief executive who runs one of the worst performing local authorities in the UK, George Black of Glasgow City Council, 'earns' up to £158,407 per year before benefits... and he's not alone at our decrepit council where 13 more officials are payed in excess of £100,000 a year!

Maybe if we cut back on the fat cat pay of the blundering buffoons at the top then we could afford to pay the workers a decent wage - without any tax cuts!

--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 12:41pm Wed 20 Aug 08
This is what the government loves, private sector workers blaming public sector workers for society's ills. Perhaps if we looked at the bigger picture, we would see that privatisation is the root of all problems. Buses and trains are a shambles, Scotland should be a rich and vibrant country with all the oil we have but, because Westminster has stolen the cash we are not as prosperous as we could be. Vilifying someone for wanting a decent living wage is shameful. We should ALL have a decent living wage, private and public sector. Stop squabbling, FFS, and look at the real issues. We have corrupt local government who would rather spend council tax money on Kelvingrove Museum and sports stadiums rather than looking after its citizens. Utterly shameful and depressing. Did none of you watch The Secret Millionaire on C4 last night? We live in a city in Glasgow which is a disgrace. Old people are left to fend for themselves if they don't submit to local government snooping on their finances.

Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:52pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
This is what the government loves, private sector workers blaming public sector workers for society's ills. Perhaps if we looked at the bigger picture, we would see that privatisation is the root of all problems. Buses and trains are a shambles, Scotland should be a rich and vibrant country with all the oil we have but, because Westminster has stolen the cash we are not as prosperous as we could be. Vilifying someone for wanting a decent living wage is shameful. We should ALL have a decent living wage, private and public sector. Stop squabbling, FFS, and look at the real issues. We have corrupt local government who would rather spend council tax money on Kelvingrove Museum and sports stadiums rather than looking after its citizens. Utterly shameful and depressing. Did none of you watch The Secret Millionaire on C4 last night? We live in a city in Glasgow which is a disgrace. Old people are left to fend for themselves if they don't submit to local government snooping on their finances.

Very well said Sir Stewie!

--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 12:55pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Why not sack the lot of them and get east europeans and other immigrants in to do their jobs for less, it has happened whole scale in the private sector and there hasn't been one word of protest. So sack a scot and employ a pole that should be glasgows new motto
Posted by: Mr Dove, Glasgow on 1:07pm Wed 20 Aug 08
It is not mandatory to picket, and six is the legal maximum. If the strike is solid (with notably union agreed exceptions) there is no reason to picket, particularly if the weather is poor.

In terms of low paid council staff, like any large organisation there is a range of salaries. This is fair as some staff have more responsibility, or comparitively higher skill levels than others. I earn over £40,000 per year and consider myself paid appropriately for my particular skill set. Wages rises should however take account of cost of living increases and the 2.5% - 3year deal, doesn't adequately account for the increased prices for inter-continental travel champagne and smoked salmon.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 1:16pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
This is what the government loves, private sector workers blaming public sector workers for society's ills. Perhaps if we looked at the bigger picture, we would see that privatisation is the root of all problems. Buses and trains are a shambles, Scotland should be a rich and vibrant country with all the oil we have but, because Westminster has stolen the cash we are not as prosperous as we could be. Vilifying someone for wanting a decent living wage is shameful. We should ALL have a decent living wage, private and public sector. Stop squabbling, FFS, and look at the real issues. We have corrupt local government who would rather spend council tax money on Kelvingrove Museum and sports stadiums rather than looking after its citizens. Utterly shameful and depressing. Did none of you watch The Secret Millionaire on C4 last night? We live in a city in Glasgow which is a disgrace. Old people are left to fend for themselves if they don't submit to local government snooping on their finances.
The root of all problems is this mentality that the goverment owe you something.
If you work full time and at the end of the week / month you do not enough money for the basics (roof over your head, food, heating and clothing) then yes, I would whole heartedly support action for a pay rise.
However, if you are griping because you don't have enough money to pay for your Sky, or run your car, or go on holiday or pay the credit card bills that you used to buy your 42" plasma, then jog on. You are not "owed" anything.
The extras n life are not a right, they are a privilege, and if you can't afford them, then do something constructive. Re-train, go to college, start your own business........ do something positive rather than just maon about how poor you are.
Posted by: matthew, Glasgow on 1:30pm Wed 20 Aug 08
I was given a pay rise of 4% last year however that was the first pay rise in three years. Ths council is offering a 2.5% rise over the next 3 years which equates to a pay increase of just over 7.5% (compound) by the 3rd year, regardless of what the rate of inflation is over the 3 years. I don't think that is un-reasonable. The cost of food and fuel is increasing for all members of the public not just those working for the council. The funding of this pay rise will be met by council tax payers no doubt.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 1:31pm Wed 20 Aug 08
I think what riles a lot of people,me anyway,is being told that there is no money for pay rises, when there appears to be no shortage of £millions for the Commonwealth Games.The 3 year deal appears to be a deliberate provocation to underpaid,undervalue
d workers whose moral is now at rock bottom:-(
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 2:28pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted wrote:
At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa. Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Do me a favour Hoof don't be so thick, there are a lot of very hard working LG employees! What do you know, do you work with the so called desk sleepers and this reflects the fact that you are lazy?!!!!
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 2:29pm Wed 20 Aug 08
tell the cleaners to stay on strike and the whole system will come to a halt as they lazy baskets that sit in there fluffy chairs all day drinking coffee would,nt want to go to there work and have to clean up after themselves
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 2:30pm Wed 20 Aug 08
BeeSee wrote:
Can someone tell me where all the striking staff are? Only a couple in front of each building in the city centre and although my kids school is closed (17 staff striking) there is no picket line?? Got to assume they are using this valuable opportunity to raise awareness for their plight (guaranteed 2.5% wage increase every year)to get the shooping in whilst theres no queue at tesco.
You are not allowed to picket unless you have applied and you have to give the exact location, if you picket anywhere else it is illegal and you will be sacked, thank M Thatcher for that!
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 2:32pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
HA HA your a comedian mate, Are you willing to pay more in tax to cover the demands? Do you think 2.5% is not a good pay rise?
So you are basically condoning slave labour and you are also boasting that you are unwilling to give people decent wages because it would affect your tax! What a nice person you are, not!
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 2:41pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
Lets see how many of these fools are still standing out in the heavy rain by lunchtime! But of course by lunchtime the pubs will be open so they either be home moaning about low pay (£6ph) or sitting in the pub. When they should be out at the job centre seeing what they would earn if they worked else where doing the same job! Over 70% of ET readers voted in favour of the Scottish govt giving more money to meet these ransom demands. Do they same % of people agree to pay higher tax to cover these crazy demands?
You obviously believe in democracy when you refuse to accept the decision by the majority of readers. Name calling is the last resort of a loser, which you obviously are.

I suppose you were one of those children who, if they couldn't pick the football team, went into a huff and took their ball into the house so the rest couldn't play.

Power to the workers!!!
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 2:55pm Wed 20 Aug 08
clare wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote: At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa. Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Do me a favour Hoof don't be so thick, there are a lot of very hard working LG employees! What do you know, do you work with the so called desk sleepers and this reflects the fact that you are lazy?!!!!
I did. I worked in a council for 6 months. I came from private practice into the council and got myself right back out when I saw what you become. I have drive and ambition. No way was I becoming one of you.

Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 3:24pm Wed 20 Aug 08
clare wrote:
Kudos wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
HA HA your a comedian mate, Are you willing to pay more in tax to cover the demands? Do you think 2.5% is not a good pay rise?
So you are basically condoning slave labour and you are also boasting that you are unwilling to give people decent wages because it would affect your tax! What a nice person you are, not!
Clare,

Slave labour don't make me laugh! If you check back what I have written you will see that I am asking the strikers to go along to the job centre and see what a cleaner, janitor and bin man gets in the private sector and they will find that most are paid equal or less than local govenment employed so don't get your duster in a twist hen!
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 3:33pm Wed 20 Aug 08
The Wise One wrote:
Kudos wrote: Lets see how many of these fools are still standing out in the heavy rain by lunchtime! But of course by lunchtime the pubs will be open so they either be home moaning about low pay (£6ph) or sitting in the pub. When they should be out at the job centre seeing what they would earn if they worked else where doing the same job! Over 70% of ET readers voted in favour of the Scottish govt giving more money to meet these ransom demands. Do they same % of people agree to pay higher tax to cover these crazy demands?
You obviously believe in democracy when you refuse to accept the decision by the majority of readers. Name calling is the last resort of a loser, which you obviously are. I suppose you were one of those children who, if they couldn't pick the football team, went into a huff and took their ball into the house so the rest couldn't play. Power to the workers!!!
The wise one, I'm not the looser and I have only been open and honest in my comments which I believe I can be. My comments won't Inconvenience anyone unlike the strike action! Bottom line if your not happy in your job then you get out! I guess from your last comment that you are some kind of union official who takes good money from workers then travels all over the country going to conferences and giving huge amounts to the labour party! You must be proud of today! Sack them!
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 3:49pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
HA HA your a comedian mate, Are you willing to pay more in tax to cover the demands? Do you think 2.5% is not a good pay rise?
So you are basically condoning slave labour and you are also boasting that you are unwilling to give people decent wages because it would affect your tax! What a nice person you are, not!
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 3:52pm Wed 20 Aug 08
clare wrote:
Kudos wrote:
jim_the_tim_04 wrote: GIVE THE WORKERS WHAT THEY ASK FOR, THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB FOR THE LOW PAY THAT THEY RECEIVE
HA HA your a comedian mate, Are you willing to pay more in tax to cover the demands? Do you think 2.5% is not a good pay rise?
So you are basically condoning slave labour and you are also boasting that you are unwilling to give people decent wages because it would affect your tax! What a nice person you are, not!
Slave Labour?????? Oh yeah, it's the council that's holding the workers to ransom!!!

Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 3:54pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Clare you've said that before, Are you one of the strikers? Are you on of the council workers who works really hard at giving all the good houses to their friends and family with their 6 kids and living on benefits. then offering the unwanted houses to the hard working people. Council workers work no harder than anyone else!
Nice to see you're not wasting your strike day!
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 4:02pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
Clare you've said that before, Are you one of the strikers? Are you on of the council workers who works really hard at giving all the good houses to their friends and family with their 6 kids and living on benefits. then offering the unwanted houses to the hard working people. Council workers work no harder than anyone else! Nice to see you're not wasting your strike day!
Surely not. Such corruption doesn't exist within local councils.......... there employees are salt of the earth, hard working, pleasant, helpful, approachable people. If you have a problem, they'll bend over backwards to help you. They won't through poor innocent people out onto the street just because their beaucractic system tells them to.
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 4:11pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Yes I'm one of the strikers, I work in schools helping children with learning difficulties! I also have a child with complex learning difficulties, I work very hard at my job and do bend over backwards to help anyone requiring help.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 4:19pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Here's the solution,All those who are employed by the big bad council resign forewith and go and work in the private sector lets see how many are willing to go down this route,further why did the unions not impose an overtime ban and work to rule instead of an all out strike which will achieve zero!or selective workers on a higher rate than say £8.50 per hour could have been asked to withdraw their labour thus saving those on a lower scale from losing a days pay.And further how many of those on strike will be the first to volunteer for overtime to make up for losing a days pay for their day of un-action.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 4:32pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Social -care-workers glasgow city council.Untrained unlike nurses -3 years same pay scale,paid sick leave ,great annual leave,job security one of thee best pension schemes in the u.k.if you feel undervalued and think your rate of pay is poor leave! the private sector is awash with vacancies,would you be willing to give all this up,answers here please..£9 TO £11 PER HOUR why dont you give those on a lower rate your 2.5 increase!
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 4:44pm Wed 20 Aug 08
clare wrote:
Yes I'm one of the strikers, I work in schools helping children with learning difficulties! I also have a child with complex learning difficulties, I work very hard at my job and do bend over backwards to help anyone requiring help.
Clare

As you have experience helping those with learning difficulties, any chance you could spend some time with KUDOS.
Posted by: clare, coatbridge on 4:58pm Wed 20 Aug 08
The Wise One wrote:
clare wrote: Yes I'm one of the strikers, I work in schools helping children with learning difficulties! I also have a child with complex learning difficulties, I work very hard at my job and do bend over backwards to help anyone requiring help.
Clare As you have experience helping those with learning difficulties, any chance you could spend some time with KUDOS.
Oh wise one miracles take so much time!
Posted by: Frank, Glasgow on 4:58pm Wed 20 Aug 08
hugo wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote:
At least there is some justice...... what a day to be out on a picket line. HaHa.
Bet you all wish you were at your desk sleeping like a normal "working" day.
Karma !!!
Here it just shows how thick these guys are. I mean all jobs in the council are cushy, they are all over paid and the posts are filled by idiots. But these 2 plonkers are choosing not to work for them.......mmmmmmm. Suggests a lack of insight or ability by them......lol
Posted by: hugo, south side on 5:26pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Most of the time i enjoy posting on here. However, today is like kiddies corner. The pathetic short sighted comments about council workers is OTT. These people are average joe public, just like most of us.

The abuse, slander and nasty comments made on this sight today are outrageous and most of you guys should be ashamed of your comments.
Posted by: william murray, barrowfield on 7:14pm Wed 20 Aug 08
I work for G.H.A as a conceirg we got a 2.5 Pay
rise GMB accepted this we did not get a vote,
On the point we have a cushy Job you make me laugh,I would like to you **** heads do our job.AS for KUDOS why dont you leave of clair,Iam one of the guys that has six kids i do not get my rent paid for me,So please stop going on about council workers being lazy and in coushy jobs,IF YOU DO NOT LIKE MY COMMENTS
LET ME KNOW.
Posted by: Rodders, Glasgow on 8:58pm Wed 20 Aug 08
DISASTER !!!!!!
My bin didn`t get emptied. Did anyone else notice this national disaster.
The only disaster is that this is the only service the local council provides me, and for a bargain of £211 a month.
I wonder if I can request a refund for a service they haven`t provided.
Posted by: Rodders, Glasgow on 9:03pm Wed 20 Aug 08
I bet the majority of working people didn`t even notice the lack of "Essential services" provided by the councils.
Posted by: LB on 9:35pm Wed 20 Aug 08
I support all workers (not just public sector) rights to withhold their labour if they are being treated badly. I didn't support this strike as I thought 2.5% was a reasonable increase given the current economic climate. Howevere that all changed when British Gas increased their prices by 35%. Compared to that, 2.5% is measly. The council workers are not asking for 35% - they're asking for a fair settlement and I think that they (and all workers, whether public or private) are entitled to that.
Perhaps if we didn't have elected members who were too busy using our Council Taxes to line their own pockets, and ensuring £30K a year jobs go to their own unqualified and lazy relatives, then Councils would be able to afford to offer fair settlements, and also provide a decent level of resources.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 9:39pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Rodders wrote:
DISASTER !!!!!! My bin didn`t get emptied. Did anyone else notice this national disaster. The only disaster is that this is the only service the local council provides me, and for a bargain of £211 a month. I wonder if I can request a refund for a service they haven`t provided.
its about time the public had a council tax strike as you say £211 amonth for SFA TIME FOR CHANGE RODDERS ROUND UP THE BOYS AND WE,LL START A RIOT
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:11pm Wed 20 Aug 08
william murray wrote:
I work for G.H.A as a conceirg we got a 2.5 Pay
rise GMB accepted this we did not get a vote,
On the point we have a cushy Job you make me laugh,I would like to you **** heads do our job.AS for KUDOS why dont you leave of clair,Iam one of the guys that has six kids i do not get my rent paid for me,So please stop going on about council workers being lazy and in coushy jobs,IF YOU DO NOT LIKE MY COMMENTS
LET ME KNOW.
I don't like your comments! What you going to do about it? Let me guess have a ballot and walk out on strike you lazy council worker!
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 11:51pm Wed 20 Aug 08
Kudos, Glasgow on 11:11pm today

I have always found people like this are Glasgow Scroungers that have a Poverty Mentality . Some of them comment about their council tax bills when in reality they don’t even pay any. Nor do they pay Rent for their house. They seem to have a lot to Say Against Working Class people while their Troughs are in Social security Handouts paid by Working Class People. Funny that isn’t it?
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 10:05am Thu 21 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted wrote:
Stewie Griffin wrote: This is what the government loves, private sector workers blaming public sector workers for society's ills. Perhaps if we looked at the bigger picture, we would see that privatisation is the root of all problems. Buses and trains are a shambles, Scotland should be a rich and vibrant country with all the oil we have but, because Westminster has stolen the cash we are not as prosperous as we could be. Vilifying someone for wanting a decent living wage is shameful. We should ALL have a decent living wage, private and public sector. Stop squabbling, FFS, and look at the real issues. We have corrupt local government who would rather spend council tax money on Kelvingrove Museum and sports stadiums rather than looking after its citizens. Utterly shameful and depressing. Did none of you watch The Secret Millionaire on C4 last night? We live in a city in Glasgow which is a disgrace. Old people are left to fend for themselves if they don't submit to local government snooping on their finances.
The root of all problems is this mentality that the goverment owe you something. If you work full time and at the end of the week / month you do not enough money for the basics (roof over your head, food, heating and clothing) then yes, I would whole heartedly support action for a pay rise. However, if you are griping because you don't have enough money to pay for your Sky, or run your car, or go on holiday or pay the credit card bills that you used to buy your 42" plasma, then jog on. You are not "owed" anything. The extras n life are not a right, they are a privilege, and if you can't afford them, then do something constructive. Re-train, go to college, start your own business........ do something positive rather than just maon about how poor you are.
You're right. You are a fool. A sad, bitter twisted man/woman who thinks you are the only one who works.
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