Posted by: deeb, BOW on 11:02am Thu 21 Aug 08
its not the landlords whi throw the Sh*t in to the back courts
its not the landlords whi throw the Sh*t in to the back courts
Posted by: deeb, BOW on 11:03am Thu 21 Aug 08
its not the landlords whi throw the Sh*t in to the back courts
its not the landlords whi throw the Sh*t in to the back courts
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:07am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote]
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
[italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual
all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 11:11am Thu 21 Aug 08
Right so Mr. Purcell is finally going to (try to) deal with the much need upgrading of existing housing instead of releasing land to the private sector. 'Bout time and all although the 2 million kickstart is a drop in the sess pit.
Why should tax payers have to pick up the tab to upgrade flats? Shouldn't the slum landlords bear at least some of the responsibilty? After all they know exactly what they are doing when they substandard flats out to extended familes. What's to say these same slum landlords won't just move elsewhere and continue the same practice? People who are scumbags tend to stay that way. Thus Mr. Purcell and his hit squad need to be put a system in place to ensure that slum landlords never get back into a position again where they can put families into such awful conditions. If the city really wants to take the war to these slum landlords then zero tolerance is the only way to eradicate the problem. Commentators who don't support a zero tolerance approach against slum landlord scum should go and meet with the families living with cockroaches and explain why such practice is being enabled.
Right so Mr. Purcell is finally going to (try to) deal with the much need upgrading of existing housing instead of releasing land to the private sector. 'Bout time and all although the 2 million kickstart is a drop in the sess pit.
Why should tax payers have to pick up the tab to upgrade flats? Shouldn't the slum landlords bear at least some of the responsibilty? After all they know exactly what they are doing when they substandard flats out to extended familes. What's to say these same slum landlords won't just move elsewhere and continue the same practice? People who are scumbags tend to stay that way. Thus Mr. Purcell and his hit squad need to be put a system in place to ensure that slum landlords never get back into a position again where they can put families into such awful conditions. If the city really wants to take the war to these slum landlords then zero tolerance is the only way to eradicate the problem. Commentators who don't support a zero tolerance approach against slum landlord scum should go and meet with the families living with cockroaches and explain why such practice is being enabled.
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 11:11am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote]
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
[italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them?
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 11:13am Thu 21 Aug 08
deeb: it's the slum landlords who don't care if 20 or more people live in their two bed let, so long as they get their £500+ per month; nor do they care about the amount of rubbish 20 folk in a 3 apartment generates. The SNP know all about this as their local councillor makes his money from renting out a flat in a slum close in Westmoreland Street, when he's not teaching children how to use a AK47 or selling badly run care homes.
Syndey Siliwether: Purcell has put up £2m to tackle the slum landlords. What is the SNP administration doing about it? Will they pledge hard cash to regenerate Govanhill? The Scottish Government must not abandon the people of Govanhill. We need more than a press release or cheap soundbite from Nicola Sturgeon.
deeb: it's the slum landlords who don't care if 20 or more people live in their two bed let, so long as they get their £500+ per month; nor do they care about the amount of rubbish 20 folk in a 3 apartment generates. The SNP know all about this as their local councillor makes his money from renting out a flat in a slum close in Westmoreland Street, when he's not teaching children how to use a AK47 or selling badly run care homes.
Syndey Siliwether: Purcell has put up £2m to tackle the slum landlords. What is the SNP administration doing about it? Will they pledge hard cash to regenerate Govanhill? The Scottish Government must not abandon the people of Govanhill. We need more than a press release or cheap soundbite from Nicola Sturgeon.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:14am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]John Rendall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote]
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
[italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them? [/quote] So you've not heard the Glasgow East by-election result yet then... or are you just happy to ignore it and carry on with business as usual in your blissful ignorance?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
John Rendall wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them?
So you've not heard the Glasgow East by-election result yet then... or are you just happy to ignore it and carry on with business as usual in your blissful ignorance?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 11:18am Thu 21 Aug 08
£2 million of tax payers money to resolve the problems caused by how many slum landlords in the area - few dozen? couple of hundred? - who will profit even more through the proposed upgrade.
Would prefer that they waited until the legislation for compulsory purchase orders is in place - no point in upgrading the properties under their current ownership only for them to decline again into slums in 10-20 years time.
Besides, the council already have the power to issue rent penalty notices for unregistered landlords which forbid the tenant from paying rent to the landlord until they stop hiding from their responsibilities to register their contact details and maintain the standard of accommodation.
Will somebody let me know the relevance of Anas Sarwar to this initiative - is he a local councillor or some such?
£2 million of tax payers money to resolve the problems caused by how many slum landlords in the area - few dozen? couple of hundred? - who will profit even more through the proposed upgrade.
Would prefer that they waited until the legislation for compulsory purchase orders is in place - no point in upgrading the properties under their current ownership only for them to decline again into slums in 10-20 years time.
Besides, the council already have the power to issue rent penalty notices for unregistered landlords which forbid the tenant from paying rent to the landlord until they stop hiding from their responsibilities to register their contact details and maintain the standard of accommodation.
Will somebody let me know the relevance of Anas Sarwar to this initiative - is he a local councillor or some such?
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 11:19am Thu 21 Aug 08
A hope they start with there very own housing stock
A hope they start with there very own housing stock
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 11:21am Thu 21 Aug 08
[bold] Come on Syndey - what are the SNP doing about Govanhill?[/bold]
A tour of Westmoreland Street with Cllr Hanif and Nicola Sturgeon?
Stopping off for tea and biscuits at the flat Cllr Hanif's rents out on Westmoreland Street?
Flicking through his holiday album with pictures of the kids playing with bullets? Charming, no. Disgraceful, yes.
What are the SNP promising? Please break your silence Sid and tell us?
So far no one has heard a peep from the Scottish Government. It's in charge, so can we please hear what the SNP will do to regenerate Govanhill?
Come on Syndey - what are the SNP doing about Govanhill?
A tour of Westmoreland Street with Cllr Hanif and Nicola Sturgeon?
Stopping off for tea and biscuits at the flat Cllr Hanif's rents out on Westmoreland Street?
Flicking through his holiday album with pictures of the kids playing with bullets? Charming, no. Disgraceful, yes.
What are the SNP promising? Please break your silence Sid and tell us?
So far no one has heard a peep from the Scottish Government. It's in charge, so can we please hear what the SNP will do to regenerate Govanhill?
Posted by: Jim Brown, glasgow on 11:35am Thu 21 Aug 08
The SNP minority Scottish Executive are too busy dreaming up ways to mean test pensioners (starting with the Central Heating scheme) to worry about gun-totting councillor rouge landlords.
The SNP minority Scottish Executive are too busy dreaming up ways to mean test pensioners (starting with the Central Heating scheme) to worry about gun-totting councillor rouge landlords.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:37am Thu 21 Aug 08
I would be keen to know what Mr Purcel's definition of a slum landlord is.
Many of the properties highlight in Govanhill are no worse, and in many cases, are better than some GHA stock.
So will Mr Purcel be tackling GHA, I think not. This is a powder puff policy which is more about spin than substance.
Mr Purcel should be spending time looking at why so many people in Glasgow need to, or would rather, rent in the private sector, rather than go to to a social landlord. ??
I would be keen to know what Mr Purcel's definition of a slum landlord is.
Many of the properties highlight in Govanhill are no worse, and in many cases, are better than some GHA stock.
So will Mr Purcel be tackling GHA, I think not. This is a powder puff policy which is more about spin than substance.
Mr Purcel should be spending time looking at why so many people in Glasgow need to, or would rather, rent in the private sector, rather than go to to a social landlord. ??
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:46am Thu 21 Aug 08
Just to remind you folks this is not a party political boxing ring, and the petty comments about each others party and there merits or lack of, is all getting very boring
Just to remind you folks this is not a party political boxing ring, and the petty comments about each others party and there merits or lack of, is all getting very boring
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 11:52am Thu 21 Aug 08
Mr Purcell said 'I'm prepared to look at compulsory purchase orders' etc. - I would hope not a penny of public money would be spent on these flats while they remain in the hands of private landlords?
Mr Purcell said 'I'm prepared to look at compulsory purchase orders' etc. - I would hope not a penny of public money would be spent on these flats while they remain in the hands of private landlords?
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 11:53am Thu 21 Aug 08
P.S. -I also agree with Hugo!
P.S. -I also agree with Hugo!
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 11:54am Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]John Rendall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote]
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
[italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them? [/quote] So you've not heard the Glasgow East by-election result yet then... or are you just happy to ignore it and carry on with business as usual in your blissful ignorance?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] I didn't realise that the people of Glasgow East were voting on Glasgow City Council's record in the by-election? I must be mistaken.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
John Rendall wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity.
As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get.
Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
There was me thinking the good people of Glasgow returned this group of Labour councillors at the last election while their colleagues lost control of other local authorities. Maybe the good people of Glasgow are of the view that this Council is delivering for them?
So you've not heard the Glasgow East by-election result yet then... or are you just happy to ignore it and carry on with business as usual in your blissful ignorance?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
I didn't realise that the people of Glasgow East were voting on Glasgow City Council's record in the by-election? I must be mistaken.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 11:55am Thu 21 Aug 08
So yeah the argument is the same if Purcell and his hit squad want to eradicate the problem of slum landlordism then take out the scum bags who are reproducing the problem.
Get the slum landlords on a register that can be accessed globally. Widespread exposure is one of the key tenants to ruin these scum bags 'cause that they are scum bags. This will make it very difficult for them to exploit other families elsewhere and those who think that slum landlords won't take the **** elsewhere should stand accused if they do. Paedophiles are put on a register so why should slum landlord scum be any different?
So yeah the argument is the same if Purcell and his hit squad want to eradicate the problem of slum landlordism then take out the scum bags who are reproducing the problem.
Get the slum landlords on a register that can be accessed globally. Widespread exposure is one of the key tenants to ruin these scum bags 'cause that they are scum bags. This will make it very difficult for them to exploit other families elsewhere and those who think that slum landlords won't take the **** elsewhere should stand accused if they do. Paedophiles are put on a register so why should slum landlord scum be any different?
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 12:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Hugo: Errr, I think you'll find the Scottish Government are responisble for the GHA. They are the regulator and Nicola Sturgeon is in charge. What is she doing about the poor GHA flats? And what she doing about working with Glasgow City Council to regenerate Govanhill? The Council has put up £2m for 09/10.
Allow me to give you a fly on the wall insight into the SNP's current legislative programme ...
... Picture the scene. Ecky is munching away on a vindaloo with champagne, while his lackie tends to his daily betting slips. SNP spin doctor says, right Boss, here's oor programme fir Government. Ecky says, read it oot son, while I finish meh naan, and get me mare champagne while yir at it.
Programme is read oot by SpinNat.
Nae help fir Govanhill Bill
Nae Student Debt Bill.
Nae Local Income Tax Bill.
Nae Futures Trust Bill.
Nae First Time Buyers Bill
Nae Police (1000 extra coppers) Bill
Nae Housing Bill.
Nae Roads / Transport Bill.
Nae Education (class size 18) Bill.
Nae Planning (D. Trump for the use of) Bill.
Nae Referendum Bill.
Jings, says Ecky, that's a very busy schedule. We'll need to pace oorselves with this workload.
Hugo: Errr, I think you'll find the Scottish Government are responisble for the GHA. They are the regulator and Nicola Sturgeon is in charge. What is she doing about the poor GHA flats? And what she doing about working with Glasgow City Council to regenerate Govanhill? The Council has put up £2m for 09/10.
Allow me to give you a fly on the wall insight into the SNP's current legislative programme ...
... Picture the scene. Ecky is munching away on a vindaloo with champagne, while his lackie tends to his daily betting slips. SNP spin doctor says, right Boss, here's oor programme fir Government. Ecky says, read it oot son, while I finish meh naan, and get me mare champagne while yir at it.
Programme is read oot by SpinNat.
Nae help fir Govanhill Bill
Nae Student Debt Bill.
Nae Local Income Tax Bill.
Nae Futures Trust Bill.
Nae First Time Buyers Bill
Nae Police (1000 extra coppers) Bill
Nae Housing Bill.
Nae Roads / Transport Bill.
Nae Education (class size 18) Bill.
Nae Planning (D. Trump for the use of) Bill.
Nae Referendum Bill.
Jings, says Ecky, that's a very busy schedule. We'll need to pace oorselves with this workload.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:06pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]John Rendall[/bold] wrote:
I must be mistaken.[/quote]
Nothing new there then!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
John Rendall wrote:
I must be mistaken.
Nothing new there then!
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 12:07pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Mr Purcell visits a 2-bed apartment inhabited by an extended family of 20. Why was this let allowed. Where did this extended family come from? This sorry mess has got to be sorted out.
Mr Purcell visits a 2-bed apartment inhabited by an extended family of 20. Why was this let allowed. Where did this extended family come from? This sorry mess has got to be sorted out.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:18pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
Hugo: Errr, I think you'll find the Scottish Government are responisble for the GHA. They are the regulator and Nicola Sturgeon is in charge. What is she doing about the poor GHA flats? And what she doing about working with Glasgow City Council to regenerate Govanhill? The Council has put up £2m for 09/10.
Allow me to give you a fly on the wall insight into the SNP's current legislative programme ...
... Picture the scene. Ecky is munching away on a vindaloo with champagne, while his lackie tends to his daily betting slips. SNP spin doctor says, right Boss, here's oor programme fir Government. Ecky says, read it oot son, while I finish meh naan, and get me mare champagne while yir at it.
Programme is read oot by SpinNat.
Nae help fir Govanhill Bill
Nae Student Debt Bill.
Nae Local Income Tax Bill.
Nae Futures Trust Bill.
Nae First Time Buyers Bill
Nae Police (1000 extra coppers) Bill
Nae Housing Bill.
Nae Roads / Transport Bill.
Nae Education (class size 18) Bill.
Nae Planning (D. Trump for the use of) Bill.
Nae Referendum Bill.
Jings, says Ecky, that's a very busy schedule. We'll need to pace oorselves with this workload.
[/quote] well u would think that Mr Purcel would be keen to put the boot into GHA then, wouldn't you. However, life's not that simple, and as stated above this is not a political boxing ring for would be party supporters
bye !!!!!!
independencenow wrote:
Hugo: Errr, I think you'll find the Scottish Government are responisble for the GHA. They are the regulator and Nicola Sturgeon is in charge. What is she doing about the poor GHA flats? And what she doing about working with Glasgow City Council to regenerate Govanhill? The Council has put up £2m for 09/10.
Allow me to give you a fly on the wall insight into the SNP's current legislative programme ...
... Picture the scene. Ecky is munching away on a vindaloo with champagne, while his lackie tends to his daily betting slips. SNP spin doctor says, right Boss, here's oor programme fir Government. Ecky says, read it oot son, while I finish meh naan, and get me mare champagne while yir at it.
Programme is read oot by SpinNat.
Nae help fir Govanhill Bill
Nae Student Debt Bill.
Nae Local Income Tax Bill.
Nae Futures Trust Bill.
Nae First Time Buyers Bill
Nae Police (1000 extra coppers) Bill
Nae Housing Bill.
Nae Roads / Transport Bill.
Nae Education (class size 18) Bill.
Nae Planning (D. Trump for the use of) Bill.
Nae Referendum Bill.
Jings, says Ecky, that's a very busy schedule. We'll need to pace oorselves with this workload.
well u would think that Mr Purcel would be keen to put the boot into GHA then, wouldn't you. However, life's not that simple, and as stated above this is not a political boxing ring for would be party supporters
bye !!!!!!
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 12:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Hugo - you need to take your complaint up with Nicola Sturgeon, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing. However, by all accounts she is quite cosy with the GHA's CEO, Taroub. So the prospect of the SNP putting the boot in here is as likely as Cllr Hanif heading up the SNP firearms bill.
Hugo - you need to take your complaint up with Nicola Sturgeon, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing. However, by all accounts she is quite cosy with the GHA's CEO, Taroub. So the prospect of the SNP putting the boot in here is as likely as Cllr Hanif heading up the SNP firearms bill.
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 12:28pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Good on Purcell and Glasgow city council, they are going to spend council taxpayers money to reposses slum flats and then spend more council tax payers money to bring these flats up to standard. This then makes me ask the following questions.
1. Where are the current private tenants going to stay while the flats are being regenerated, surely not GHA or local housing authority stock which have existing extensive waiting lists.
2. After the work has been completed are the original tenants going to get first refusal on these flats or will they be subject to the already existing application rules.
3. As the flats in question are being occupied by multiple occupants (20 in the reported case), are they going to be housed as a group of twenty or will they be delagated current housing stock to suit, i.e. potentially 20 different flats for the example mentioned.
4. As there is a chronic shortage of housing stock that is available to large families, will what meagre stock there is be prioritised for the large families (anything between 7 and 11 kids) housed in these flats to the detrement of current families waiting on the housing lists for this type of accomadation.
Another point I would like to raise about the article is the obvious.
1.Of the 6 pictures shown, only 1, is showing the inside of a flat. The other 5 are showing the state of the area outside the flats, i.e. the street (2) , back courts (2) and one a communal back door. I would like to point out that the mess the street, back court and communal door is has more to do with people living like pigs more than slum conditions.
Good on Purcell and Glasgow city council, they are going to spend council taxpayers money to reposses slum flats and then spend more council tax payers money to bring these flats up to standard. This then makes me ask the following questions.
1. Where are the current private tenants going to stay while the flats are being regenerated, surely not GHA or local housing authority stock which have existing extensive waiting lists.
2. After the work has been completed are the original tenants going to get first refusal on these flats or will they be subject to the already existing application rules.
3. As the flats in question are being occupied by multiple occupants (20 in the reported case), are they going to be housed as a group of twenty or will they be delagated current housing stock to suit, i.e. potentially 20 different flats for the example mentioned.
4. As there is a chronic shortage of housing stock that is available to large families, will what meagre stock there is be prioritised for the large families (anything between 7 and 11 kids) housed in these flats to the detrement of current families waiting on the housing lists for this type of accomadation.
Another point I would like to raise about the article is the obvious.
1.Of the 6 pictures shown, only 1, is showing the inside of a flat. The other 5 are showing the state of the area outside the flats, i.e. the street (2) , back courts (2) and one a communal back door. I would like to point out that the mess the street, back court and communal door is has more to do with people living like pigs more than slum conditions.
Posted by: weenyaff, glasgow on 12:30pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]victor meldrew[/bold] wrote:
Mr Purcell said 'I'm prepared to look at compulsory purchase orders' etc. - I would hope not a penny of public money would be spent on these flats while they remain in the hands of private landlords?[/quote] Yes this is an important point. if the flats are so bad then surely the market value must be quite low ... esp in todays market. No taxpayers money to be spent on these unless ownership changes at a realistic rate.
BTW - the party politicing is particularly boring ... esp that which seems to come from the Evening Times which i've now stopped buying. On-line is good enough now ...
victor meldrew wrote:
Mr Purcell said 'I'm prepared to look at compulsory purchase orders' etc. - I would hope not a penny of public money would be spent on these flats while they remain in the hands of private landlords?
Yes this is an important point. if the flats are so bad then surely the market value must be quite low ... esp in todays market. No taxpayers money to be spent on these unless ownership changes at a realistic rate.
BTW - the party politicing is particularly boring ... esp that which seems to come from the Evening Times which i've now stopped buying. On-line is good enough now ...
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 12:47pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre which is helping to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers, including the Roma population in Govanhill. He advocates that migrant workers should be supplied with social housing to counter-act the slum conditions they end up in. Govanhill Housing Association are naturally sympathetic to private tenants living in poor conditions.
Current estimates of the Roma population in Govanhill (population approx 9,000-10,000) is that there are between 2,000-3,000.
Social housing is allocated to the neediest and there is usually a statutory obligation to house those threatened with homelessnes - for example, those being evicted to permit refurbishment of a property, and more points are awarded for over-crowding and a lack of amenities.
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies, since they are often the most affected by slum landlords and GHA will have greater stock to handout?
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre which is helping to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers, including the Roma population in Govanhill. He advocates that migrant workers should be supplied with social housing to counter-act the slum conditions they end up in. Govanhill Housing Association are naturally sympathetic to private tenants living in poor conditions.
Current estimates of the Roma population in Govanhill (population approx 9,000-10,000) is that there are between 2,000-3,000.
Social housing is allocated to the neediest and there is usually a statutory obligation to house those threatened with homelessnes - for example, those being evicted to permit refurbishment of a property, and more points are awarded for over-crowding and a lack of amenities.
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies, since they are often the most affected by slum landlords and GHA will have greater stock to handout?
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 12:52pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]John Rendall[/bold] wrote:
I must be mistaken.[/quote]
Nothing new there then!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic][/quote] Oooohhhh how childish Sydney. I see you didn't answer my question or refuse to accept facts.
Nothing new there then.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
John Rendall wrote:
I must be mistaken.
Nothing new there then!
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Oooohhhh how childish Sydney. I see you didn't answer my question or refuse to accept facts.
Nothing new there then.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 12:52pm Thu 21 Aug 08
bluey - the Glasgow Housing Assn (GHA)has plenty of vacant flats that no-one wants to live in. Why not use these to help people?
bluey - the Glasgow Housing Assn (GHA)has plenty of vacant flats that no-one wants to live in. Why not use these to help people?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:53pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote:
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?[/quote]
[bold]Yes[/bold], of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
bluey wrote:
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?
Yes, of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: newman, glasgow on 12:59pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Looked up this piece from the Herald -
Roma migrants facing exploitation
Thousands of migrant Slovakians living in the space of just a few streets on the south side of Glasgow face exploitation and dangerous overcrowding, according to a leading lawyer.
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre, says plans are well advanced to set up a law centre in Govanhill, to help protect ethnic Roma Slovakians and other members of the community.
Since Slovakia joined the EU in 2004, the authorities in Glasgow have had to cope with a huge influx of migrant workers and their families. Estimates of the population vary between 1000 and 5000.
Many are living in overcrowded flats, with three families often sharing a standard tenement. This accommodation is often without written tenancy agreements and overpriced. The four blocks where the majority of families live include many flats which are officially below tolerable standard, but rents of £650 a month are not unknown.
Mr Dailly said the Roma population had been widely persecuted in Eastern Europe, but there was no excuse for such conditions in Glasgow. "They are an ethnic people who have been really scapegoated over the years," he said. "There is no way we should be allowing this to go on."
He said that a Govanhill Law Centre would help establish the rights of migrant workers. Meanwhile he said they should be supplied with social housing.
Mr Dailly's views were backed by Anne Lear, director of Govanhill Housing Association. "We still have scenes of poverty comparable to 1960s slums," she said.
12:06am Tuesday 1st April 2008
By STEPHEN NAYSMITH, Society Editor
Looked up this piece from the Herald -
Roma migrants facing exploitation
Thousands of migrant Slovakians living in the space of just a few streets on the south side of Glasgow face exploitation and dangerous overcrowding, according to a leading lawyer.
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre, says plans are well advanced to set up a law centre in Govanhill, to help protect ethnic Roma Slovakians and other members of the community.
Since Slovakia joined the EU in 2004, the authorities in Glasgow have had to cope with a huge influx of migrant workers and their families. Estimates of the population vary between 1000 and 5000.
Many are living in overcrowded flats, with three families often sharing a standard tenement. This accommodation is often without written tenancy agreements and overpriced. The four blocks where the majority of families live include many flats which are officially below tolerable standard, but rents of £650 a month are not unknown.
Mr Dailly said the Roma population had been widely persecuted in Eastern Europe, but there was no excuse for such conditions in Glasgow. "They are an ethnic people who have been really scapegoated over the years," he said. "There is no way we should be allowing this to go on."
He said that a Govanhill Law Centre would help establish the rights of migrant workers. Meanwhile he said they should be supplied with social housing.
Mr Dailly's views were backed by Anne Lear, director of Govanhill Housing Association. "We still have scenes of poverty comparable to 1960s slums," she said.
12:06am Tuesday 1st April 2008
By STEPHEN NAYSMITH, Society Editor
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:00pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]Yes, of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.[/quote]
Oh Sydney, oh Sydney. It didn't take long before the creeping overtones of Nationalist racism oozed out of yir tartan tory pores. Shame on you son. Hang your head in shame Sydney.
Yes, of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.
Oh Sydney, oh Sydney. It didn't take long before the creeping overtones of Nationalist racism oozed out of yir tartan tory pores. Shame on you son. Hang your head in shame Sydney.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote: So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?[/quote] [bold]Yes[/bold], of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] Yes Sydney, that's up in barmulloch, don't be misgudged by calling the whole area as North Glasgow, for as it stands, Springburn, Cowlairs, Pinkston, Possilpark, Ruchill, Firhill and Maryhill, Queens Cross and Woodside are massively underdeveloped and lie in the same state as much of these areas did some 30 odd years ago after the great Glasgow Demolition Orgy that took place.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
bluey wrote: So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?
Yes, of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down. -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Yes Sydney, that's up in barmulloch, don't be misgudged by calling the whole area as North Glasgow, for as it stands, Springburn, Cowlairs, Pinkston, Possilpark, Ruchill, Firhill and Maryhill, Queens Cross and Woodside are massively underdeveloped and lie in the same state as much of these areas did some 30 odd years ago after the great Glasgow Demolition Orgy that took place.
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 1:04pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bluey[/bold] wrote:
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?[/quote]
[bold]Yes[/bold], of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] I think you will actually find that the majority iof not all of the new homes built in the north of the city in recent years have been allocated to existing tenants who live in homes that are being demolished in places like Sighthill. So I think it is fair to say that the majority of these homes are allocated to "Glaswegians". Your comments are at best ill informed and at worst racist.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
bluey wrote:
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies?
Yes, of course it will, just like the vast majority of new social rent homes being built in north Glasgow will go to 'new arrivals' after the high-rises are knocked down.
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
I think you will actually find that the majority iof not all of the new homes built in the north of the city in recent years have been allocated to existing tenants who live in homes that are being demolished in places like Sighthill. So I think it is fair to say that the majority of these homes are allocated to "Glaswegians". Your comments are at best ill informed and at worst racist.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:08pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
bluey - the Glasgow Housing Assn (GHA)has plenty of vacant flats that no-one wants to live in. Why not use these to help people?[/quote] Any evidence to back this up or is this just a hunch? Glasgow Housing Association doesn't operate a central list - applicants have to apply to local housing associations.
I know there's a mismatch between the type and availability of properties in that there are few larger properties available which are very popular while high rise flats are very unpopular and have a high turnover.
There are moves planned for choice based letting where tenants bid for available properties.
But it's anything like it operates in other major cities, the vast majority will simply go straight to those that local councils are obliged to house under statutory regulations, making it v.difficult for existing tenants who want to move or for tenants in other areas to move to the area.
In other words, there's a veneer of choice but priority applicants leapfrog to the top.
independencenow wrote:
bluey - the Glasgow Housing Assn (GHA)has plenty of vacant flats that no-one wants to live in. Why not use these to help people?
Any evidence to back this up or is this just a hunch? Glasgow Housing Association doesn't operate a central list - applicants have to apply to local housing associations.
I know there's a mismatch between the type and availability of properties in that there are few larger properties available which are very popular while high rise flats are very unpopular and have a high turnover.
There are moves planned for choice based letting where tenants bid for available properties.
But it's anything like it operates in other major cities, the vast majority will simply go straight to those that local councils are obliged to house under statutory regulations, making it v.difficult for existing tenants who want to move or for tenants in other areas to move to the area.
In other words, there's a veneer of choice but priority applicants leapfrog to the top.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 1:08pm Thu 21 Aug 08
get rid of slum landlords,.....put them in cattle trucks and get them outta here, they are useless and are taking money from renters who cannot get repairs done, there is a code re renting cars,bikes,homes, and it goes for anyone who takes money under false pretences, treat these people the way you would like your own family treated....not like dogs,if you are unfit to manage property then hand the job over to someone who is more proficient, otherwise have some workpeople in to clean up and fix dangerous electric appliances and unfit homes....you could be taken to court and exposed to the general public( you have had a lovely ride, now its over.)
get rid of slum landlords,.....put them in cattle trucks and get them outta here, they are useless and are taking money from renters who cannot get repairs done, there is a code re renting cars,bikes,homes, and it goes for anyone who takes money under false pretences, treat these people the way you would like your own family treated....not like dogs,if you are unfit to manage property then hand the job over to someone who is more proficient, otherwise have some workpeople in to clean up and fix dangerous electric appliances and unfit homes....you could be taken to court and exposed to the general public( you have had a lovely ride, now its over.)
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:10pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Deeb - point taken re the rubbish dumped outside, but it is the landlord's responsibility to ensure the property, including fixtures and fittings are up to scratch. This is clearly defined by the Landlord & Tenant Act 1986, and under English law, landlords who do not license their properties, or register the tenants' deposits can be taken to court. landlords who fail to licence their premises can be made to pay back not more than 12 months' rent. Similarly, failure to register tenant deposits taken after April 2007 can result in the landlord being made to pay back 3 times the amount of deposit taken. I know it for a fact, because I'm currently pursuing my former landlord through the small claims court!
Deeb - point taken re the rubbish dumped outside, but it is the landlord's responsibility to ensure the property, including fixtures and fittings are up to scratch. This is clearly defined by the Landlord & Tenant Act 1986, and under English law, landlords who do not license their properties, or register the tenants' deposits can be taken to court. landlords who fail to licence their premises can be made to pay back not more than 12 months' rent. Similarly, failure to register tenant deposits taken after April 2007 can result in the landlord being made to pay back 3 times the amount of deposit taken. I know it for a fact, because I'm currently pursuing my former landlord through the small claims court!
Posted by: hugo, south side on 1:11pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I have said it before and will continue to say it, If Glasgow had good quality social rented housing, in areas where people felt safe and wanted to live, well there would be no slum landlords.
I have said it before and will continue to say it, If Glasgow had good quality social rented housing, in areas where people felt safe and wanted to live, well there would be no slum landlords.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:14pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Deeb - point taken re the rubbish dumped outside, but it is the landlord's responsibility to ensure the property, including fixtures and fittings are up to scratch. This is clearly defined by the Landlord & Tenant Act 1986, and under English law, landlords who do not license their properties, or register the tenants' deposits can be taken to court. landlords who fail to licence their premises can be made to pay back not more than 12 months' rent. Similarly, failure to register tenant deposits taken after April 2007 can result in the landlord being made to pay back 3 times the amount of deposit taken. I know it for a fact, because I'm currently pursuing my former landlord through the small claims court![/quote] The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales.
Tenants in Scotland can take their landlords to the Sheriff Court.
The other main difference is that landlords in Scotland must register their contact details with the local council on the Scottish Landlord Registration scheme.
This is why it should be easy for the local council to act on rogue landlords or prevent their tenants paying rent to those that aren't registered (rent penalty notice).
steven976 wrote:
Deeb - point taken re the rubbish dumped outside, but it is the landlord's responsibility to ensure the property, including fixtures and fittings are up to scratch. This is clearly defined by the Landlord & Tenant Act 1986, and under English law, landlords who do not license their properties, or register the tenants' deposits can be taken to court. landlords who fail to licence their premises can be made to pay back not more than 12 months' rent. Similarly, failure to register tenant deposits taken after April 2007 can result in the landlord being made to pay back 3 times the amount of deposit taken. I know it for a fact, because I'm currently pursuing my former landlord through the small claims court!
The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales.
Tenants in Scotland can take their landlords to the Sheriff Court.
The other main difference is that landlords in Scotland must register their contact details with the local council on the Scottish Landlord Registration scheme.
This is why it should be easy for the local council to act on rogue landlords or prevent their tenants paying rent to those that aren't registered (rent penalty notice).
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:16pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
I have said it before and will continue to say it, If Glasgow had good quality social rented housing, in areas where people felt safe and wanted to live, well there would be no slum landlords. [/quote] Totally agree with that Hugh. You need to ask why is Nicola Sturgeon MSP and her Ministerial colleagues proposing further use of private sector flats for homeless applications across Scotland? It's the cornerstone of the SNP's 'Firm Foundations'housing policy. Do we really want are most vulnerable households placed in substandard private flats?
hugo wrote:
I have said it before and will continue to say it, If Glasgow had good quality social rented housing, in areas where people felt safe and wanted to live, well there would be no slum landlords.
Totally agree with that Hugh. You need to ask why is Nicola Sturgeon MSP and her Ministerial colleagues proposing further use of private sector flats for homeless applications across Scotland? It's the cornerstone of the SNP's 'Firm Foundations'housing policy. Do we really want are most vulnerable households placed in substandard private flats?
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:20pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales.
[/quote]
Not so. Most Scottish councils have rent deposit schemes bluey.
The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales.
Not so. Most Scottish councils have rent deposit schemes bluey.
Posted by: Eric Flack, Glasgow on 1:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Who deposits the rubbish in the back lanes?
Probably the local residents.How many people gain GHA or local authority tenancies and then sub let these tenancies on to other people?
Who deposits the rubbish in the back lanes?
Probably the local residents.How many people gain GHA or local authority tenancies and then sub let these tenancies on to other people?
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales. [/quote] Not so. Most Scottish councils have rent deposit schemes bluey.[/quote] Not so - they are completely distinct.
TDS in England and Wales is where private landlords must lodge their tenants deposit to protect them. It offers a dispute service and the penalty for non-compliance is that the landlord can be ordered by a court to pay back x3 the sum of the deposit.
The rent deposit scheme operated by councils across the UK, including Scotland, that you allude to is where councils guarantee payment of the deposit to a private landlord for tenants that are on housing benefit.
independencenow wrote:
The tenancy deposit scheme only operates in England and Wales.
Not so. Most Scottish councils have rent deposit schemes bluey.
Not so - they are completely distinct.
TDS in England and Wales is where private landlords must lodge their tenants deposit to protect them. It offers a dispute service and the penalty for non-compliance is that the landlord can be ordered by a court to pay back x3 the sum of the deposit.
The rent deposit scheme operated by councils across the UK, including Scotland, that you allude to is where councils guarantee payment of the deposit to a private landlord for tenants that are on housing benefit.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:26pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Bluey, thanks for the info!!.. I'm originally from Glasgow (Barmulloch), but I'm living and working close to Heathrow airport, so English law is what applies here. The point I was trying to make is that, if there is no similar provisions in Scots law, then perhaps certain aspects of the English scheme would also be workable there too. I suppose that because there are so many private rents in the Hounslow Borough area near to heathrow, the Tenant Deposit Scheme is more manageable, rather than repossession of properties. If the council here did repossess, there would be a helluva lot of people the council would have to re-house. If the proposals there work, then all good and well, but I'd personally advocate a similar scheme to the TDS, so that the tenants also receive some financial recompense. Perhaps then, rogue landlords would think twice about their actions.
Bluey, thanks for the info!!.. I'm originally from Glasgow (Barmulloch), but I'm living and working close to Heathrow airport, so English law is what applies here. The point I was trying to make is that, if there is no similar provisions in Scots law, then perhaps certain aspects of the English scheme would also be workable there too. I suppose that because there are so many private rents in the Hounslow Borough area near to heathrow, the Tenant Deposit Scheme is more manageable, rather than repossession of properties. If the council here did repossess, there would be a helluva lot of people the council would have to re-house. If the proposals there work, then all good and well, but I'd personally advocate a similar scheme to the TDS, so that the tenants also receive some financial recompense. Perhaps then, rogue landlords would think twice about their actions.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:31pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Yes, perhaps TDS would be helpful if it was introduced in Scotland because their deposits would be more highly protected but ultimately, rogue landlords do strive to hide their identities and contact details - a residential address is required to serve court papers and overseas landlords with properties in the UK are unreachable.
However, I can't see how this would improve the current squalid housing in Govanhill as TDS has nothing to do with the condition of the property and merely stops landlords or letting agents absconding with the deposit or making unfair deductions.
Yes, perhaps TDS would be helpful if it was introduced in Scotland because their deposits would be more highly protected but ultimately, rogue landlords do strive to hide their identities and contact details - a residential address is required to serve court papers and overseas landlords with properties in the UK are unreachable.
However, I can't see how this would improve the current squalid housing in Govanhill as TDS has nothing to do with the condition of the property and merely stops landlords or letting agents absconding with the deposit or making unfair deductions.
Posted by: subrosa on 1:32pm Thu 21 Aug 08
P[quote]osted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 11:13am today
Siliwether: Purcell has put up £2m to tackle the slum landlords. What is the SNP administration doing about it? Will they pledge hard cash to regenerate Govanhill? The Scottish Government must not abandon the people of Govanhill. We need more than a press release or cheap soundbite from Nicola Sturgeon.
[/quote]
I thought Glasgow had a labour council.
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osted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 11:13am today
Siliwether: Purcell has put up £2m to tackle the slum landlords. What is the SNP administration doing about it? Will they pledge hard cash to regenerate Govanhill? The Scottish Government must not abandon the people of Govanhill. We need more than a press release or cheap soundbite from Nicola Sturgeon.
I thought Glasgow had a labour council.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm Thu 21 Aug 08
It does subrosa, but Scotland has a SNP administration which trades as 'Scottish Government' (although that term is meaningless in law, a bit like the SNP's policy of class sizes of 18). The SNP Scottish administration has overall strategic responsibility here and controls the purse strings. So I repeat, what is Nicola Sturgeon going to do to help her constituents? She can't blame Westminster, and Glasgow City Council has put £2m on the table for starters, so will the Scottish Government contribute?
It does subrosa, but Scotland has a SNP administration which trades as 'Scottish Government' (although that term is meaningless in law, a bit like the SNP's policy of class sizes of 18). The SNP Scottish administration has overall strategic responsibility here and controls the purse strings. So I repeat, what is Nicola Sturgeon going to do to help her constituents? She can't blame Westminster, and Glasgow City Council has put £2m on the table for starters, so will the Scottish Government contribute?
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:40pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Agreed, Bluey - However, that's the whole point of licensing HMO's. If it's not already in situ, then Scottish councils should have teams of investigators going out to visit properties prior to licenses being granted. Failure to comply with set criteria within a defined timescale should be punished by a fine, or in worst-case scenarios, repossession of the property by the council. As for overseas landlords, surely a law could be passed compelling these particular people to register with a licensed letting agent, who would maintain the property in their absence. As for hiding identities - checks with the Electoral Register should be made before the application becomes successful. No electoral registration - no license!!.. Simple as!!
Agreed, Bluey - However, that's the whole point of licensing HMO's. If it's not already in situ, then Scottish councils should have teams of investigators going out to visit properties prior to licenses being granted. Failure to comply with set criteria within a defined timescale should be punished by a fine, or in worst-case scenarios, repossession of the property by the council. As for overseas landlords, surely a law could be passed compelling these particular people to register with a licensed letting agent, who would maintain the property in their absence. As for hiding identities - checks with the Electoral Register should be made before the application becomes successful. No electoral registration - no license!!.. Simple as!!
Posted by: subrosa on 1:48pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[italic]Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today[/italic]
Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand.
As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding.
Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response?
In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today
Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand.
As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding.
Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response?
In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.
Posted by: The X Factor, Glasgow on 1:53pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote] Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. [italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] erm, no.
its the Scottish Government who make the laws and control the cash.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
erm, no.
its the Scottish Government who make the laws and control the cash.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:55pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
It does subrosa, but Scotland has a SNP administration which trades as 'Scottish Government' (although that term is meaningless in law, a bit like the SNP's policy of class sizes of 18). The SNP Scottish administration has overall strategic responsibility here and controls the purse strings. So I repeat, what is Nicola Sturgeon going to do to help her constituents? She can't blame Westminster, and Glasgow City Council has put £2m on the table for starters, so will the Scottish Government contribute?[/quote] Is Govanhill part of Glasgow Govan?
I thought it was Cathacrt, but on looking at the boundary map, it is actually under Shettleston, which, as we know is Glasgow East at UK level.
independencenow wrote:
It does subrosa, but Scotland has a SNP administration which trades as 'Scottish Government' (although that term is meaningless in law, a bit like the SNP's policy of class sizes of 18). The SNP Scottish administration has overall strategic responsibility here and controls the purse strings. So I repeat, what is Nicola Sturgeon going to do to help her constituents? She can't blame Westminster, and Glasgow City Council has put £2m on the table for starters, so will the Scottish Government contribute?
Is Govanhill part of Glasgow Govan?
I thought it was Cathacrt, but on looking at the boundary map, it is actually under Shettleston, which, as we know is Glasgow East at UK level.
Posted by: The X Factor, Glasgow on 1:58pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]subrosa[/bold] wrote:
[italic]Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today[/italic] Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand. As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding. Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response? In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.[/quote] the confusion is caused by their vain glorious decision to call themselves the Scottish Government when all their powers are intra vires and they cant raise tax revenue. You just cant be a govt if you cant raise tax - end of.
They are caught out here no matter how you slice it and for the avoidance of doubt I am not a Labour or any other party supporter
subrosa wrote:
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand. As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding. Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response? In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.
the confusion is caused by their vain glorious decision to call themselves the Scottish Government when all their powers are intra vires and they cant raise tax revenue. You just cant be a govt if you cant raise tax - end of.
They are caught out here no matter how you slice it and for the avoidance of doubt I am not a Labour or any other party supporter
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:05pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]subrosa[/bold] wrote:
[italic]Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today[/italic] Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand. As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding. Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response? In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.[/quote] FUNNY THAT, SLUMS POP UP FROM NOWHERE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED UNDER lABOUR AND EVERYBODY POINTS FINGERS AT THE SNP HO HO HO
As I said above, looking at parliamentary maps, it appears that Govanhill comes under the Glasgow Shettleston constituency for the Scottish parliament, therefore it is a Labour MSP's remit, so how have they not said anything?
subrosa wrote:
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 1:39pm today Thank you for your explanation. Personally I prefer our minority governing party to be called the Scottish government - to save confusion you understand. As we were talking about Glasgow housing on this thread you can understand my misunderstanding. Glasgow City Council have only announced this £2m. Don't you think the Scottish government should give due consideration to the problem rather than make a knee-jerking response? In defence of Nicola Sturgeon she will be doing her best to ensure her constituents are included. Who was the last labour MSP? Why didn't they take any action? This area has been a dump for many years, not just the past 15 months. As one poster said, you can renovate the homes as much as you want, but if the tenants have little respect for themselves or others, they will continue to live the way they do.
FUNNY THAT, SLUMS POP UP FROM NOWHERE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED UNDER lABOUR AND EVERYBODY POINTS FINGERS AT THE SNP HO HO HO
As I said above, looking at parliamentary maps, it appears that Govanhill comes under the Glasgow Shettleston constituency for the Scottish parliament, therefore it is a Labour MSP's remit, so how have they not said anything?
Posted by: Jim Brown, glasgow on 2:07pm Thu 21 Aug 08
There is no such thing as the Scottish Government. The Scotland Act provides for a Scottish Executive. Just because the minority SNP Administraion calls itself a government does not make it so. Shows you how much respect the SNP pays to the democratic and legal system of Scotland and the UK.
There is no such thing as the Scottish Government. The Scotland Act provides for a Scottish Executive. Just because the minority SNP Administraion calls itself a government does not make it so. Shows you how much respect the SNP pays to the democratic and legal system of Scotland and the UK.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 2:11pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Agreed, Bluey - However, that's the whole point of licensing HMO's. If it's not already in situ, then Scottish councils should have teams of investigators going out to visit properties prior to licenses being granted. Failure to comply with set criteria within a defined timescale should be punished by a fine, or in worst-case scenarios, repossession of the property by the council. As for overseas landlords, surely a law could be passed compelling these particular people to register with a licensed letting agent, who would maintain the property in their absence. As for hiding identities - checks with the Electoral Register should be made before the application becomes successful. No electoral registration - no license!!.. Simple as!![/quote] All private landlords in Scotland are required to register their properties on the landlord register maintained by local councils.
Only those that are defined as HMOs are subject to inspection and licensing - the vast majority of rentals don't fall into this criteria so the local councils do not visit them.
Landlords that have been punished for non-compliance with HMO legislation tend to find the fines a lot less expensive than bringing their properties up to scratch - that's why rent penalty notices were brought in for the landlord registration scheme to act as a stiffer deterrant. Last year, Glasgow council had not issued a single Rent Penalty Notice.
Landlords are compelled to register but rogue landlords have enough knowledge to provide useless details on their title deeds and won't be on the electoral register.
There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false.
I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.
steven976 wrote:
Agreed, Bluey - However, that's the whole point of licensing HMO's. If it's not already in situ, then Scottish councils should have teams of investigators going out to visit properties prior to licenses being granted. Failure to comply with set criteria within a defined timescale should be punished by a fine, or in worst-case scenarios, repossession of the property by the council. As for overseas landlords, surely a law could be passed compelling these particular people to register with a licensed letting agent, who would maintain the property in their absence. As for hiding identities - checks with the Electoral Register should be made before the application becomes successful. No electoral registration - no license!!.. Simple as!!
All private landlords in Scotland are required to register their properties on the landlord register maintained by local councils.
Only those that are defined as HMOs are subject to inspection and licensing - the vast majority of rentals don't fall into this criteria so the local councils do not visit them.
Landlords that have been punished for non-compliance with HMO legislation tend to find the fines a lot less expensive than bringing their properties up to scratch - that's why rent penalty notices were brought in for the landlord registration scheme to act as a stiffer deterrant. Last year, Glasgow council had not issued a single Rent Penalty Notice.
Landlords are compelled to register but rogue landlords have enough knowledge to provide useless details on their title deeds and won't be on the electoral register.
There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false.
I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.
Posted by: John Rendall, Glasgow on 2:11pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The X Factor[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote] Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. [italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] erm, no.
its the Scottish Government who make the laws and control the cash.[/quote] Very good point conveniently ignored/forgot/swept under the carpet by Sydney...
The X Factor wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
erm, no.
its the Scottish Government who make the laws and control the cash.
Very good point conveniently ignored/forgot/swept under the carpet by Sydney...
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:19pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false.
I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.[/quote]
Surely, Glasgow City Council MUST repossess in this instance?? And, whether it is a matter for local government, Scottish government, or indeed British government, the money must be made available to administer these compulsory purchases. After all, a tiger without teeth or claws is just an overgrown ****-cat!!
There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false.
I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.
Surely, Glasgow City Council MUST repossess in this instance?? And, whether it is a matter for local government, Scottish government, or indeed British government, the money must be made available to administer these compulsory purchases. After all, a tiger without teeth or claws is just an overgrown ****-cat!!
Posted by: butterfly-y, perth on 2:23pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Oh independence now - I am a bit surprised that you haven't spontaneously combusted under the weight of your own verbocity. You don't have talk alot of nasty, nasty nonsense. For a start everyone and their dug knows that that hawfwit Purcell wouldn't have bothered his bunions to do anything about this issue (or any other for that matter) were it not for the fact that there is an SNP government in Edinburgh - oh I know how much you hate that idea but get used to it its a fact. No its amazing how much more attention the plebs of Scotland get when the natives get restless and vote in a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.
Oh independence now - I am a bit surprised that you haven't spontaneously combusted under the weight of your own verbocity. You don't have talk alot of nasty, nasty nonsense. For a start everyone and their dug knows that that hawfwit Purcell wouldn't have bothered his bunions to do anything about this issue (or any other for that matter) were it not for the fact that there is an SNP government in Edinburgh - oh I know how much you hate that idea but get used to it its a fact. No its amazing how much more attention the plebs of Scotland get when the natives get restless and vote in a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 2:35pm Thu 21 Aug 08
as the labour government in britian gives billions away to pakistan and india, countries who have money to develop and maintain nuclear weapons but unable to feed their citizens,billions given to corrupt regimes in africa,and as the wealth of britian has been squandered over the past eleven years by labour ,the people of sink estates and slum landlord, live in accomandation that is abhorrent in a nation that has one of the worlds richest economy
as the labour government in britian gives billions away to pakistan and india, countries who have money to develop and maintain nuclear weapons but unable to feed their citizens,billions given to corrupt regimes in africa,and as the wealth of britian has been squandered over the past eleven years by labour ,the people of sink estates and slum landlord, live in accomandation that is abhorrent in a nation that has one of the worlds richest economy
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 2:42pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steve4349[/bold] wrote:
as the labour government in britian gives billions away to pakistan and india, countries who have money to develop and maintain nuclear weapons but unable to feed their citizens,billions given to corrupt regimes in africa,and as the wealth of britian has been squandered over the past eleven years by labour ,the people of sink estates and slum landlord, live in accomandation that is abhorrent in a nation that has one of the worlds richest economy[/quote] and ur point is !!!! Caller ???
steve4349 wrote:
as the labour government in britian gives billions away to pakistan and india, countries who have money to develop and maintain nuclear weapons but unable to feed their citizens,billions given to corrupt regimes in africa,and as the wealth of britian has been squandered over the past eleven years by labour ,the people of sink estates and slum landlord, live in accomandation that is abhorrent in a nation that has one of the worlds richest economy
and ur point is !!!! Caller ???
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 2:47pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.[/quote]
Butterfly, you say the SNP administration in Edinburgh looks after 'the interests of Scotland'. Tell me just one wee thing the SNP have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local SNP Cllr has done? Please tell us?
As to lining pockets, you wish to talk to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon about the £400,000 of public money they have made available to their SNP cronies in Glasgow.
a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.
Butterfly, you say the SNP administration in Edinburgh looks after 'the interests of Scotland'. Tell me just one wee thing the SNP have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local SNP Cllr has done? Please tell us?
As to lining pockets, you wish to talk to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon about the £400,000 of public money they have made available to their SNP cronies in Glasgow.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:48pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Trench fae Possil is spot on, 'get rid of slum landlords,.....put them in cattle trucks and get them outta here'
Maybe there is a bigger question here: At what point did the landlords become slum landlords? Was there a time when they were 'good landlords'?
Perhaps the infamous Sydney Meriwether has an answer? Oh Sydney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Trench fae Possil is spot on, 'get rid of slum landlords,.....put them in cattle trucks and get them outta here'
Maybe there is a bigger question here: At what point did the landlords become slum landlords? Was there a time when they were 'good landlords'?
Perhaps the infamous Sydney Meriwether has an answer? Oh Sydney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 2:53pm Thu 21 Aug 08
The Koonsul need all these flats. They will need to house all the immigrant workers who they'll employ to build the 2014 stadiums and villages.
Come to Glasgow and rent with the SPL (Stephen Purcell Lettings).
The Koonsul need all these flats. They will need to house all the immigrant workers who they'll employ to build the 2014 stadiums and villages.
Come to Glasgow and rent with the SPL (Stephen Purcell Lettings).
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 2:54pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Maybe Mr P. was on a fact finding mission. He was looking to see just how many adults can fit into a 1 bed flat (so as to maximise profits).
Maybe Mr P. was on a fact finding mission. He was looking to see just how many adults can fit into a 1 bed flat (so as to maximise profits).
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 2:58pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I have a sad announcement dear colleagues.
The men in white jackets came fir Sydney Meriwether earlier this afternoon. I'm afraid it's a rubber room and goon for poor auld Syd.
Still every cloud has a silver lining. He will be in good company as apparently the rubber room at Nat HQ is where the SNP orchestrate their online cyber-nasty-natting from (CNN).
You can hear the pour souls thumping away on their keyboards, while an endless tape plays The Guns of Govanhill performed by J Hanif. All worth it for independence.
I have a sad announcement dear colleagues.
The men in white jackets came fir Sydney Meriwether earlier this afternoon. I'm afraid it's a rubber room and goon for poor auld Syd.
Still every cloud has a silver lining. He will be in good company as apparently the rubber room at Nat HQ is where the SNP orchestrate their online cyber-nasty-natting from (CNN).
You can hear the pour souls thumping away on their keyboards, while an endless tape plays The Guns of Govanhill performed by J Hanif. All worth it for independence.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 3:14pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
[quote]There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false. I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.[/quote] Surely, Glasgow City Council MUST repossess in this instance?? And, whether it is a matter for local government, Scottish government, or indeed British government, the money must be made available to administer these compulsory purchases. After all, a tiger without teeth or claws is just an overgrown ****-cat!![/quote] Only a quarter of the owners paid towards the factoring fee so the factor walked, the buildings insurance became void and the building became dilapidated, owners couldn't sell and tenants did not want to move there.
An estimated 70 out of the 370 flats were alleged to be repossessed. A two-bedroom flat, bought for £215,000 in September 2005, recently sold at auction for £79,000.
Trying to trace the absent landlords was fruitless - many of the properties were alleged to have been brought by the same person through a ghost company.
Glasgow city council denied there was a problem there and I'm not aware whether they have taken any steps to remedy the problem with absent landlords that wouldn't pay towards common repairs.
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This is why I'm baffled that they say there is a shortage of legislation to permit them to enforce landlords obligations - there's plenty out there if they care to use it.
steven976 wrote:
There is a block of flats in Glasgow where dozens of properties belong to ghostlandlords - all traceable information provided during the purchase is false. I believe there is sufficient legislation in place to deal with slum housing but the council's don't seem to have the resources to enact it. Compulsory purchase is a must-do.
Surely, Glasgow City Council MUST repossess in this instance?? And, whether it is a matter for local government, Scottish government, or indeed British government, the money must be made available to administer these compulsory purchases. After all, a tiger without teeth or claws is just an overgrown ****-cat!!
Only a quarter of the owners paid towards the factoring fee so the factor walked, the buildings insurance became void and the building became dilapidated, owners couldn't sell and tenants did not want to move there.
An estimated 70 out of the 370 flats were alleged to be repossessed. A two-bedroom flat, bought for £215,000 in September 2005, recently sold at auction for £79,000.
Trying to trace the absent landlords was fruitless - many of the properties were alleged to have been brought by the same person through a ghost company.
Glasgow city council denied there was a problem there and I'm not aware whether they have taken any steps to remedy the problem with absent landlords that wouldn't pay towards common repairs.
http://www.eveningti
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This is why I'm baffled that they say there is a shortage of legislation to permit them to enforce landlords obligations - there's plenty out there if they care to use it.
Posted by: emma, Glasgow on 3:40pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Apart from the usual spin rubbish, look at the area. It's been ignored for years. Has anyone walked passed the shops around Allison st lately? Rotten fruit, stinking bins, dirty windows - and thats the businesses. There needs to be a bit of responsibility from ALL level of the community. Lazy people not putting stuff in the bins - then cleansing can't be bothered to do their job - no wonder the place is a tip. If you live in a crap house with a cruddy landlord move - its a private let, find another private let.
Apart from the usual spin rubbish, look at the area. It's been ignored for years. Has anyone walked passed the shops around Allison st lately? Rotten fruit, stinking bins, dirty windows - and thats the businesses. There needs to be a bit of responsibility from ALL level of the community. Lazy people not putting stuff in the bins - then cleansing can't be bothered to do their job - no wonder the place is a tip. If you live in a crap house with a cruddy landlord move - its a private let, find another private let.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 3:47pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Good point Emma - this article focuses on the condition of some of the private properties there without reference to the poor environment in general or the fact that it has one of the highest crime rates in Glasgow where someone was found murdered there today.
Good point Emma - this article focuses on the condition of some of the private properties there without reference to the poor environment in general or the fact that it has one of the highest crime rates in Glasgow where someone was found murdered there today.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 3:54pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote]He will be in good company as apparently the rubber room at Nat HQ is where the SNP orchestrate their online cyber-nasty-natting from (CNN).[/quote]
In fairness to most Nats (esp fairly smart and sensible ones in Government) people like Sydney and those banding Chris Hoy as a traitor who wraps himself in the "butcher's apron", etc. are as embarrassing to them as they are to Glasgow.
He will be in good company as apparently the rubber room at Nat HQ is where the SNP orchestrate their online cyber-nasty-natting from (CNN).
In fairness to most Nats (esp fairly smart and sensible ones in Government) people like Sydney and those banding Chris Hoy as a traitor who wraps himself in the "butcher's apron", etc. are as embarrassing to them as they are to Glasgow.
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 4:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:03pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]independencenow[/bold] wrote:
[quote]a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.[/quote] Butterfly, you say the SNP administration in Edinburgh looks after 'the interests of Scotland'. Tell me just one wee thing the SNP have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local SNP Cllr has done? Please tell us? As to lining pockets, you wish to talk to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon about the £400,000 of public money they have made available to their SNP cronies in Glasgow.[/quote] Tell me just one wee thing the Labour Party have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local Labour Cllr MSP/MP has done? Please tell us?
If there is any wrong doing by Salmond & co, are you not entilted to make a complaint with the hope of pressing charges?
By the looks of things, you like Salmond as much as Myra Hindley, better still why don't you go and put him in a shallow grave, Glasgow style?
I'm sure that'll make you more happier, you may even get a bung in the form of public money from the Labour party for doing them a favour ;-)
independencenow wrote:
a party who look after the interests of Scotland - so different than the monkeys with red rosettes who are only good at voting to line their own pockets.
Butterfly, you say the SNP administration in Edinburgh looks after 'the interests of Scotland'. Tell me just one wee thing the SNP have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local SNP Cllr has done? Please tell us? As to lining pockets, you wish to talk to Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon about the £400,000 of public money they have made available to their SNP cronies in Glasgow.
Tell me just one wee thing the Labour Party have done for Govanhill? Tell me what the local Labour Cllr MSP/MP has done? Please tell us?
If there is any wrong doing by Salmond & co, are you not entilted to make a complaint with the hope of pressing charges?
By the looks of things, you like Salmond as much as Myra Hindley, better still why don't you go and put him in a shallow grave, Glasgow style?
I'm sure that'll make you more happier, you may even get a bung in the form of public money from the Labour party for doing them a favour ;-)
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 4:04pm Thu 21 Aug 08
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 4:11pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic [/quote] I second this.
Would appreciate people's views on whether the council are even using the powers that they have to tackle slum housing in Govanhill and rogue landlords, suggested remedies, the allocation of social housing to the tenants that have been affected, rather than SNP/Labour ping-pong point scoring.
jugdement joe wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
I second this.
Would appreciate people's views on whether the council are even using the powers that they have to tackle slum housing in Govanhill and rogue landlords, suggested remedies, the allocation of social housing to the tenants that have been affected, rather than SNP/Labour ping-pong point scoring.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:15pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic [/quote] Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry.
Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
jugdement joe wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry.
Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 4:32pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."[/quote] Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual [bold]all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc..[/bold] Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. [italic]Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!![/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] Well said sydney.
The sooner Glsgopw is rids of this wee fat useless parasite the better.
All mouth no action will be his legacy.
oh and cheating on his missus a speciality.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Mr Purcell said: "The buck stops with me and I am making that personal commitment."
Of course it does and that is why the good people of Glasgow will ensure you and your bungling tribe of free-loading wasters are evicted from the city chambers at the next available opportunity. As usual all we hear from New Labour are pledges, promises, intentions, plans, etc.. Like the 'plans to save Glasgow post offices' most of these stories are just useless pipe-dreams and belly-rumblings from puffed-up pipsqueak politicians who are quite happy to sit back and milk the system for all they can get. Actions, not words, count in this city and the people of Glasgow East knew that!!! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
Well said sydney.
The sooner Glsgopw is rids of this wee fat useless parasite the better.
All mouth no action will be his legacy.
oh and cheating on his missus a speciality.
Posted by: mick, Glasgow on 4:36pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I see the proverbial wringing of hands has started about overcrowding and the detailed plan to tackle the problems will be ready next April.The plan seems to be that £2,000,000 of council taxpayers money will be used to ....do what ? Repair privately owned flats so the renters are more comfortable? How much more comfortable can repairs and upgrades make for the 20 people living in the 2 bedroomed house Mr Purcell visited ?
Sadly,Glasgow has been here before,a few times, and the lessons have been forgotten.And I am not talking about the Gorbals of No Mean City.
In 1866 the Glasgow City Improvement Trust was set up to alleviate housing overcrowding with a plan of action.All homes of 3 rooms or less were measured for size and the number of occupants allowed to live in them was laid down by law.A metal plate.."ticket".. stating the number allowed to live there was nailed to the door.Within 20 years there was 25,000 "ticketed" houses in Glasgow.
In a civilised nation 20 people should not be allowed by law to live in a 2 bedroomed flat.
Glasgow,and probably the Uk, needs strong local and national political will and determination to do something radical...just like 1866.
I see the proverbial wringing of hands has started about overcrowding and the detailed plan to tackle the problems will be ready next April.The plan seems to be that £2,000,000 of council taxpayers money will be used to ....do what ? Repair privately owned flats so the renters are more comfortable? How much more comfortable can repairs and upgrades make for the 20 people living in the 2 bedroomed house Mr Purcell visited ?
Sadly,Glasgow has been here before,a few times, and the lessons have been forgotten.And I am not talking about the Gorbals of No Mean City.
In 1866 the Glasgow City Improvement Trust was set up to alleviate housing overcrowding with a plan of action.All homes of 3 rooms or less were measured for size and the number of occupants allowed to live in them was laid down by law.A metal plate.."ticket".. stating the number allowed to live there was nailed to the door.Within 20 years there was 25,000 "ticketed" houses in Glasgow.
In a civilised nation 20 people should not be allowed by law to live in a 2 bedroomed flat.
Glasgow,and probably the Uk, needs strong local and national political will and determination to do something radical...just like 1866.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:45pm Thu 21 Aug 08
It still makes me laugh when I think about the time Steven Purcell wanted to help Glasgow Airport become "a truly international airport".. How so, Mr P??.. Will you magic some heavy industries up in the Greater Glasgow area??.. Perhaps a few high-tech companies for good measure?? For as long as there are no "proper" jobs producing goods for the global marketplace, Glasgow airport will only ever be a "holiday" airport. Just because Emirates, for example, fly to UAE doesn't make it a "business" airport in the same sense as Heathrow is the UK's "premier" business airport. Remember that United Airlines had flights to/from GLA, but pulled out due to "lack of premium traffic"... In other words, an unprofitable (unsustainable) route. Mr P, may I kindly suggest you go play in the middle lane of the M8 at St. James interchange at peak time!!
It still makes me laugh when I think about the time Steven Purcell wanted to help Glasgow Airport become "a truly international airport".. How so, Mr P??.. Will you magic some heavy industries up in the Greater Glasgow area??.. Perhaps a few high-tech companies for good measure?? For as long as there are no "proper" jobs producing goods for the global marketplace, Glasgow airport will only ever be a "holiday" airport. Just because Emirates, for example, fly to UAE doesn't make it a "business" airport in the same sense as Heathrow is the UK's "premier" business airport. Remember that United Airlines had flights to/from GLA, but pulled out due to "lack of premium traffic"... In other words, an unprofitable (unsustainable) route. Mr P, may I kindly suggest you go play in the middle lane of the M8 at St. James interchange at peak time!!
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 4:49pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Before refurbishment: 20 residents cram themselves into a small flat.
After refurbishment: 20 residents cram themselves into a small flat which looks slightly nicer and has better facilities.
Is it the landlords fault if the tenants are overcrowded? Rent is usually set at a market rate for the size/condition/locat
ion of the property - landlords rarely benefit from extra tenants and it only increases the wear and tear. Landlords are usually totally against overcrowding - makes no financial sense.
Reminds me of a study of social housing allocation in Tower Hamlets where after a while, migrants were not automatically housed on arrival as they were deemed to have made themselves intentionally homeless by moving to the UK.
Instead they lived with friends and relatives and after 1 year's residency would present themselves as overcrowded to the local housing office, whereby they would then be allocated a property because they were prioritised for this.
Book is called 'The New East End, Kinship, Race and Conflict' and alleged how housing policies had a negative impact on race relations - "tension about whether that should be according to notions of membership (people who have lived in a community longest) or according to most pressing need, which is likely to benefit newcomers."
Before refurbishment: 20 residents cram themselves into a small flat.
After refurbishment: 20 residents cram themselves into a small flat which looks slightly nicer and has better facilities.
Is it the landlords fault if the tenants are overcrowded? Rent is usually set at a market rate for the size/condition/locat
ion of the property - landlords rarely benefit from extra tenants and it only increases the wear and tear. Landlords are usually totally against overcrowding - makes no financial sense.
Reminds me of a study of social housing allocation in Tower Hamlets where after a while, migrants were not automatically housed on arrival as they were deemed to have made themselves intentionally homeless by moving to the UK.
Instead they lived with friends and relatives and after 1 year's residency would present themselves as overcrowded to the local housing office, whereby they would then be allocated a property because they were prioritised for this.
Book is called 'The New East End, Kinship, Race and Conflict' and alleged how housing policies had a negative impact on race relations - "tension about whether that should be according to notions of membership (people who have lived in a community longest) or according to most pressing need, which is likely to benefit newcomers."
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:49pm Thu 21 Aug 08
And while we're about it, Mr P... A bit less verbal diahorrea regarding slum housing, and a bit more action to eradicate it!!
And while we're about it, Mr P... A bit less verbal diahorrea regarding slum housing, and a bit more action to eradicate it!!
Posted by: wee terry, glasgow on 5:00pm Thu 21 Aug 08
mr purcell should spending the money providing new housing for the people of glasgow.seems someone who was brought up in langholm st has forgotten his old arse
mr purcell should spending the money providing new housing for the people of glasgow.seems someone who was brought up in langholm st has forgotten his old arse
Posted by: terencej72, g43 on 5:21pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]newman[/bold] wrote:
Good on Purcell and Glasgow city council, they are going to spend council taxpayers money to reposses slum flats and then spend more council tax payers money to bring these flats up to standard. This then makes me ask the following questions. 1. Where are the current private tenants going to stay while the flats are being regenerated, surely not GHA or local housing authority stock which have existing extensive waiting lists. 2. After the work has been completed are the original tenants going to get first refusal on these flats or will they be subject to the already existing application rules. 3. As the flats in question are being occupied by multiple occupants (20 in the reported case), are they going to be housed as a group of twenty or will they be delagated current housing stock to suit, i.e. potentially 20 different flats for the example mentioned. 4. As there is a chronic shortage of housing stock that is available to large families, will what meagre stock there is be prioritised for the large families (anything between 7 and 11 kids) housed in these flats to the detrement of current families waiting on the housing lists for this type of accomadation. Another point I would like to raise about the article is the obvious. 1.Of the 6 pictures shown, only 1, is showing the inside of a flat. The other 5 are showing the state of the area outside the flats, i.e. the street (2) , back courts (2) and one a communal back door. I would like to point out that the mess the street, back court and communal door is has more to do with people living like pigs more than slum conditions.[/quote] No, if you cram 6 people into a 2 apartment the amount of rubbish they generate is unbelievable.
Case in point - i live in Kinning Park near the Underground station in a tenement flat (bought not rented). The next back court from me in Edwin st has rubbish litering the floor of it's bin shelter not a million miles different than what is in that picture.
Recently the inhabitants of that close have started to fill up our bins which myself, my neighbour and a couple of council refuge men (who we gave a bung to) cleaned, and HOSED and scrubbed with water and disenfectant not 3 months ago.
The reason for this mess is that the close in Edwin St has a family of about 6 living in one bedroom flat and another family of about 10 living in a 2 bed flat. More people = more refuge.
Mohammed Sarwar's constituence office door FACES this close and is a mere 20 yard walk. Nicola Sturgeon's office is a mere 100 yard walk. BOTH have seen this mess and have warned the occupants, given us recycling bins & bags but yet again it's a tip.
So if they can't get the problems that are 20 yards away sorted.....
newman wrote:
Good on Purcell and Glasgow city council, they are going to spend council taxpayers money to reposses slum flats and then spend more council tax payers money to bring these flats up to standard. This then makes me ask the following questions. 1. Where are the current private tenants going to stay while the flats are being regenerated, surely not GHA or local housing authority stock which have existing extensive waiting lists. 2. After the work has been completed are the original tenants going to get first refusal on these flats or will they be subject to the already existing application rules. 3. As the flats in question are being occupied by multiple occupants (20 in the reported case), are they going to be housed as a group of twenty or will they be delagated current housing stock to suit, i.e. potentially 20 different flats for the example mentioned. 4. As there is a chronic shortage of housing stock that is available to large families, will what meagre stock there is be prioritised for the large families (anything between 7 and 11 kids) housed in these flats to the detrement of current families waiting on the housing lists for this type of accomadation. Another point I would like to raise about the article is the obvious. 1.Of the 6 pictures shown, only 1, is showing the inside of a flat. The other 5 are showing the state of the area outside the flats, i.e. the street (2) , back courts (2) and one a communal back door. I would like to point out that the mess the street, back court and communal door is has more to do with people living like pigs more than slum conditions.
No, if you cram 6 people into a 2 apartment the amount of rubbish they generate is unbelievable.
Case in point - i live in Kinning Park near the Underground station in a tenement flat (bought not rented). The next back court from me in Edwin st has rubbish litering the floor of it's bin shelter not a million miles different than what is in that picture.
Recently the inhabitants of that close have started to fill up our bins which myself, my neighbour and a couple of council refuge men (who we gave a bung to) cleaned, and HOSED and scrubbed with water and disenfectant not 3 months ago.
The reason for this mess is that the close in Edwin St has a family of about 6 living in one bedroom flat and another family of about 10 living in a 2 bed flat. More people = more refuge.
Mohammed Sarwar's constituence office door FACES this close and is a mere 20 yard walk. Nicola Sturgeon's office is a mere 100 yard walk. BOTH have seen this mess and have warned the occupants, given us recycling bins & bags but yet again it's a tip.
So if they can't get the problems that are 20 yards away sorted.....
Posted by: teamdroid on 5:22pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Of course, it's not like Purcell is playing politics here, is it? Anas Sarwar is the prospective Labour candidate, for the Glasgow Central seat. Which is the seat his father is vacating at the next General Election.
I should point out that Anas is the son of Mohammed Sarwar who isn't currently serving 3 years in jail for money laundering - that's Athif. Google 'sarwar jail' for that shining example of New Labour honesty.
Of course, it's not like Purcell is playing politics here, is it? Anas Sarwar is the prospective Labour candidate, for the Glasgow Central seat. Which is the seat his father is vacating at the next General Election.
I should point out that Anas is the son of Mohammed Sarwar who isn't currently serving 3 years in jail for money laundering - that's Athif. Google 'sarwar jail' for that shining example of New Labour honesty.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 5:46pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic [/quote] Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry.
Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
[/quote] there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!!
We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic
The Missing City wrote:
jugdement joe wrote:
would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry.
Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!!
We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:01pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote: would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic [/quote] Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry. Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle? [/quote] there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!! We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic [/quote] Boo hoo.ya big wean.
hugo wrote:
The Missing City wrote: jugdement joe wrote: would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry. Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!! We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic
Boo hoo.ya big wean.
Posted by: fedupwithmoans, glasgow on 6:22pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
Posted by: alexparade, Glasgow on 7:04pm Thu 21 Aug 08
This is all very bad news for that Kohli chappie, who owns about 100 properties in Glasgow, and is buying more all the time. Allegedly he is a slum landlord. In fact it was proven in court. I do hope he doesn't get jailed. Still Game wouldn't be the same without him..
This is all very bad news for that Kohli chappie, who owns about 100 properties in Glasgow, and is buying more all the time. Allegedly he is a slum landlord. In fact it was proven in court. I do hope he doesn't get jailed. Still Game wouldn't be the same without him..
Posted by: Smooth Rider, Renfrewshire on 8:16pm Thu 21 Aug 08
Does this mean GCC are waging war on themselves?
For years they have been the biggest slum landlords in the city!
Does this mean GCC are waging war on themselves?
For years they have been the biggest slum landlords in the city!
Posted by: independencenow, Glasgow on 8:48pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Smooth Rider[/bold] wrote:
Does this mean GCC are waging war on themselves? For years they have been the biggest slum landlords in the city![/quote] Smooth Rider, suggest you pump up your tyres and trade in the bike for a C5, GCC has not been a housing provider since 2003. So your comment is only 5 years irrelevant.
Smooth Rider wrote:
Does this mean GCC are waging war on themselves? For years they have been the biggest slum landlords in the city!
Smooth Rider, suggest you pump up your tyres and trade in the bike for a C5, GCC has not been a housing provider since 2003. So your comment is only 5 years irrelevant.
Posted by: annie, Glasgow on 9:36pm Thu 21 Aug 08
I have not read all the posts so apologies if this has already been said but...it takes about two years to do a single compulsory purchase order and that is without objections from the owner. This is not going to happen.
I have not read all the posts so apologies if this has already been said but...it takes about two years to do a single compulsory purchase order and that is without objections from the owner. This is not going to happen.
Posted by: DAVE, Southside on 10:27pm Thu 21 Aug 08
[quote][bold]bluey, glasgow, wrote ....[/bold]
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre which is helping to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers, including the Roma population in Govanhill. He advocates that migrant workers should be supplied with social housing to counter-act the slum conditions they end up in. Govanhill Housing Association are naturally sympathetic to private tenants living in poor conditions.
Current estimates of the Roma population in Govanhill (population approx 9,000-10,000) is that there are between 2,000-3,000.
Social housing is allocated to the neediest and there is usually a statutory obligation to house those threatened with homelessnes - for example, those being evicted to permit refurbishment of a property, and more points are awarded for over-crowding and a lack of amenities.
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies, since they are often the most affected by slum landlords and GHA will have greater stock to handout?
[/quote]
bluey, it’s already happened. The recent demolition of the Glasgow high-rise flats where many of the asylum seeking families were living resulted in the asylum seekers being given new social housing ahead of the indigenous who had been on the waiting list for years.
bluey, glasgow, wrote ....
Mike Dailly, who is principal solicitor for the Govan Law Centre which is helping to tackle the exploitation of migrant workers, including the Roma population in Govanhill. He advocates that migrant workers should be supplied with social housing to counter-act the slum conditions they end up in. Govanhill Housing Association are naturally sympathetic to private tenants living in poor conditions.
Current estimates of the Roma population in Govanhill (population approx 9,000-10,000) is that there are between 2,000-3,000.
Social housing is allocated to the neediest and there is usually a statutory obligation to house those threatened with homelessnes - for example, those being evicted to permit refurbishment of a property, and more points are awarded for over-crowding and a lack of amenities.
So will the renovation of the area at taxpayers expense result in large numbers of the migrant community receiving social housing with permanent tenancies, since they are often the most affected by slum landlords and GHA will have greater stock to handout?
bluey, it’s already happened. The recent demolition of the Glasgow high-rise flats where many of the asylum seeking families were living resulted in the asylum seekers being given new social housing ahead of the indigenous who had been on the waiting list for years.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 10:29pm Thu 21 Aug 08
hope the powers that be realize that the fact that these lowlife slum landlords are overchargeing, causing undue hardship for the tenants,also are unable to attend to the disrepair of properties, so should come under the title of criminals which is classed as crime lords....take the lot to court and sieze all assets asap lets put a stop to unscrupulous rip off artists, how dare they, and the concillors are not faultless either....DO something for a change do not wait till hell freezes over, do it now.
hope the powers that be realize that the fact that these lowlife slum landlords are overchargeing, causing undue hardship for the tenants,also are unable to attend to the disrepair of properties, so should come under the title of criminals which is classed as crime lords....take the lot to court and sieze all assets asap lets put a stop to unscrupulous rip off artists, how dare they, and the concillors are not faultless either....DO something for a change do not wait till hell freezes over, do it now.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 10:54pm Thu 21 Aug 08
If folk are stupid enough to live 20 in a flat then I would leave them to it,or at best throw in a few more cockroaches.
If folk are stupid enough to live 20 in a flat then I would leave them to it,or at best throw in a few more cockroaches.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 10:57pm Thu 21 Aug 08
If you have spent any time in Govanhill recently then you will have only one solution to its problem.............
...Nuke it.
In fact, it looks as though someone already has.
But hey, that's multi culturism for you.
If you have spent any time in Govanhill recently then you will have only one solution to its problem.............
...Nuke it.
In fact, it looks as though someone already has.
But hey, that's multi culturism for you.
Posted by: angybee, glasgow on 2:02am Fri 22 Aug 08
G.H.A r the worse landlords out take ur rent money and do f all in return apart from giving all the nice houses[if ther is any]to foreigners who give nothing but sh-t back.purcell must have been watching that secret millionaire program the other night and realise wot a sh-thole glasgow has become,and the good people of glasgow r becoming more and more sickened by these greedy landlords and asylum seekers.
G.H.A r the worse landlords out take ur rent money and do f all in return apart from giving all the nice housesto foreigners who give nothing but sh-t back.purcell must have been watching that secret millionaire program the other night and realise wot a sh-thole glasgow has become,and the good people of glasgow r becoming more and more sickened by these greedy landlords and asylum seekers.
Posted by: subrosa on 2:56am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote]Posted by: The X Factor, Glasgow on 1:58pm Thu 21 Aug 08
You just cant be a govt if you cant raise tax - end of.
[/quote]
I thought councils were referred to as local government in legal terms. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: The X Factor, Glasgow on 1:58pm Thu 21 Aug 08
You just cant be a govt if you cant raise tax - end of.
I thought councils were referred to as local government in legal terms. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:30am Fri 22 Aug 08
re overcrowding in premises.... i thought there was a bye law regarding how many people could reside in a building due to fire codes laid down by the safety council....yeh gods are the rules only for some residents or for everybody?...huh?...
HUH?
re overcrowding in premises.... i thought there was a bye law regarding how many people could reside in a building due to fire codes laid down by the safety council....yeh gods are the rules only for some residents or for everybody?...huh?...
HUH?
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 8:05am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]trench[/bold] wrote:
re overcrowding in premises.... i thought there was a bye law regarding how many people could reside in a building due to fire codes laid down by the safety council....yeh gods are the rules only for some residents or for everybody?...huh?... HUH?[/quote] I thought that too. If it isn't the case, why is it that some families get 4 bedroom houses and others only two.
Is it the case that overcrowding only applies to GHA houses, private lets can do what they want. I wonder what the Health and Safety Laws say on this matter?
trench wrote:
re overcrowding in premises.... i thought there was a bye law regarding how many people could reside in a building due to fire codes laid down by the safety council....yeh gods are the rules only for some residents or for everybody?...huh?... HUH?
I thought that too. If it isn't the case, why is it that some families get 4 bedroom houses and others only two.
Is it the case that overcrowding only applies to GHA houses, private lets can do what they want. I wonder what the Health and Safety Laws say on this matter?
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 8:13am Fri 22 Aug 08
Got this on the internet. You have to ask, based on the info below, how has Purcell not acted to put an end to this overcrowding.
[bold]Space[/bold]
The number of people who should live in a home depends on the number of rooms, the size of the rooms and the ages of the people who live there. Rooms that are counted include living rooms and bedrooms (but not the kitchen or bathroom).
For the room and space calculations:
children under one year old are ignored
children over one and under ten years old count as a half
rooms under 50 square feet are ignored.
As a general rule:
1 room = 2 people can live there
2 rooms = 3 people can live there
3 rooms = 5 people can live there
4 rooms = 7.5 people can live there
5 rooms or more = 2 people per room can live there.
However, the size of a room also determines how many people can sleep there:
floor area 50-69 square feet = 0.5 people can sleep there
floor area 70-89 square feet = 1 person can sleep there
floor area 90-109 square feet = 1.5 people can sleep there
floor area 110 square feet = 2 people can sleep there.
Got this on the internet. You have to ask, based on the info below, how has Purcell not acted to put an end to this overcrowding.
Space
The number of people who should live in a home depends on the number of rooms, the size of the rooms and the ages of the people who live there. Rooms that are counted include living rooms and bedrooms (but not the kitchen or bathroom).
For the room and space calculations:
children under one year old are ignored
children over one and under ten years old count as a half
rooms under 50 square feet are ignored.
As a general rule:
1 room = 2 people can live there
2 rooms = 3 people can live there
3 rooms = 5 people can live there
4 rooms = 7.5 people can live there
5 rooms or more = 2 people per room can live there.
However, the size of a room also determines how many people can sleep there:
floor area 50-69 square feet = 0.5 people can sleep there
floor area 70-89 square feet = 1 person can sleep there
floor area 90-109 square feet = 1.5 people can sleep there
floor area 110 square feet = 2 people can sleep there.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 8:59am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote: would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic [/quote] Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry. Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle? [/quote] there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!! We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic [/quote] Boo hoo.ya big wean.[/quote] Fair assessment ELB
Mind you I am surprised that Sarwar came out with such a comment that the situation is caused by passing the buck.
Thats Labour all over as you only know to well, their main character trait which they are unable to shirk!
ex labour voter wrote:
hugo wrote: The Missing City wrote: jugdement joe wrote: would u labour versus snp peeps give it a rest you are boring the arse of people who want to discuss the topic
Ah Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa Thing is Joe, I can't see how people are going to stop and listen to you and bow and say sorry. Its not as if you're the King, besides how can the topic be spoken about without mentioning the political parties who have an influence over this sad debacle?
there is a difference between mentioning the political context of a given situation, and the pathetic my policy or candidate is better than yours !!!!! We hear enough of that cr*p from the politicians, so leave it out it boring and pathetic
Boo hoo.ya big wean.
Fair assessment ELB
Mind you I am surprised that Sarwar came out with such a comment that the situation is caused by passing the buck.
Thats Labour all over as you only know to well, their main character trait which they are unable to shirk!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:02am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans[/bold] wrote:
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.[/quote] Great comment, no racism or undermining the people who live there and have to endure such squalid conditions for which should be a decent district suburb of the southside.
Mind you, if only they had this level of thinking 50 years ago, Glasgow would have turned out to be a far better city than the hole we have in our eyes today.
fedupwithmoans wrote:
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
Great comment, no racism or undermining the people who live there and have to endure such squalid conditions for which should be a decent district suburb of the southside.
Mind you, if only they had this level of thinking 50 years ago, Glasgow would have turned out to be a far better city than the hole we have in our eyes today.
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 9:15am Fri 22 Aug 08
Here’s how our Scottish Government intends to deal with the influx of immigrants to Scotland (mostly Glasgow)
*Race Religion & Refugee Integration Funding announced.
A decision on the outcome of the RRRI fund has finally been made.
The Scottish Government Equality Unit’s Race, Religion and Refugee Integration funding stream is designed to improve the lives of minority ethnic and faith communities in Scotland, including refugees, asylum seekers, migrant workers and Gypsies/Travellers.
£5.5m funding has been made available from 1 July 2008 to 31 March 2011 for a range of projects working in the race and faith equality and refugee integration field. Voluntary Action Fund (VAF) will monitor and manage the grant scheme and will provide a package of support to the organisations receiving funding. This ensures that as well as receiving funding the projects are supported in a way that allows them to build capacity and share learning.
The projects awarded funding under the Race, Religion and Refugee Integration Fund and the total amount they will receive over the 3 year funding period are outlined below.
Highland Diversity Project - Inverness Citizens Advice Bureau - £80,000
Community Law Centre - Govan Law Centre Trust - £244,000
“Me Included” - Multi Ethnic Aberdeen Ltd (MEAL) - £165,000
Happy to Translate’ Logo - Trust Housing Association (Edinburgh) - £36,566
Bridging the Gap (Glasgow) - £186,000
Minority Communities Service Development Project - Dumfries and Galloway Citizens Advice Service - £68,670
Workplace ESOL Project - Glasgow ESOL Forum - £185,000
Black Community Skills Project - Skillnet Edinburgh - £250,000
Integration and Orientation programme - Integrating Toryglen Community Ltd - £165,000
Ladders to employability and integration - Bridges Programme (Glasgow) - £245,000
Integration Network - Maryhill Integration Network - £190,000
Asylum Seeker & Refugee Project - Maryhill Citizens Advice Bureau - £187,000
Good Community Relations Project - West of Scotland Race Equality Council - £240,000
Govanhill Together - Crossroads Youth and Community Association - £160,000
Race and Religion Relations Support Service - Dundee Citizens Advice Bureau - £109,000
Empowering Youth: Future Leaders - Scottish Islamic Foundation Glasgow) - £190,000
Connecting and Empowering Communities - Scottish Council of Jewish Communities (Glasgow) - £100,000
Inter-Faith Development Project - Edinburgh Interfaith Association - £190,000
National Development Programme (Phase 2) - Minority Ethnic Carers of Older People (MECOPP (Edinburgh) - £195,000
Youth - Faith Exploration Services - Youth Community Support Agency (YCSA) (Glasgow) - £190,000
Volunteer & Learning Development Project - Greater Pollok Integration Network (GPIN) - £130,000
Improving Access For All - Ethnic Minorities Law Centre (Glasgow/ Edinburgh) - £236,000
Gypsy/Traveller Advice and Support Project - Gypsy Traveller Education and Information Project (Aberdeen) - £105,000
Women & Children’s Project - Legal Services Agency (Glasgow) - £27,000
Festival of Spirituality and Peace - Church of St john the Evangelist (Edinburgh) - £130,000
Empowering individuals media skills - Awaz FM (Glasgow) - £190,000
Partners in Mental Health - Saheliya (Edinburgh) - £165,000
One Workplace Equal Rights Project - STUC (Glasgow) - £165,000
New Migrants Action Project - Positive Action in Housing (Glasgow) - £160,000
Family Counselling, Mediation & Advocacy project - Amina (Glasgow) - £126,000
DIWC Integration Project - Dundee International Women’s Centre £160,000
3R Project - Young Scot (Edinburgh) - £330,000
Building Partnerships Work - Scottish Alliance of Racial Equality Councils (working through Central Racial Equality Council, Edinburgh and Lothians REC, Grampian REC and West of Scotland REC) - £330,000
TOTAL - £5,625,236
Could this be the reason ???? (lol)
**Citizens of Member States of the European Union - include all citizens of the following states.
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden.
These citizens will be registered as local government electors and (unless they are all qualifying commonwealth citizens such as citizens of Cyprus, Malta, or the Irish Republic, who can vote in all elections) are also entitled to vote in Scottish Parliament elections.
*SOURCE:- MigrantInfo Source.org.uk
**SOURCE:- Glasgow Register of Electors 2008/09
Here’s how our Scottish Government intends to deal with the influx of immigrants to Scotland (mostly Glasgow)
*Race Religion & Refugee Integration Funding announced.
A decision on the outcome of the RRRI fund has finally been made.
The Scottish Government Equality Unit’s Race, Religion and Refugee Integration funding stream is designed to improve the lives of minority ethnic and faith communities in Scotland, including refugees, asylum seekers, migrant workers and Gypsies/Travellers.
£5.5m funding has been made available from 1 July 2008 to 31 March 2011 for a range of projects working in the race and faith equality and refugee integration field. Voluntary Action Fund (VAF) will monitor and manage the grant scheme and will provide a package of support to the organisations receiving funding. This ensures that as well as receiving funding the projects are supported in a way that allows them to build capacity and share learning.
The projects awarded funding under the Race, Religion and Refugee Integration Fund and the total amount they will receive over the 3 year funding period are outlined below.
Highland Diversity Project - Inverness Citizens Advice Bureau - £80,000
Community Law Centre - Govan Law Centre Trust - £244,000
“Me Included” - Multi Ethnic Aberdeen Ltd (MEAL) - £165,000
Happy to Translate’ Logo - Trust Housing Association (Edinburgh) - £36,566
Bridging the Gap (Glasgow) - £186,000
Minority Communities Service Development Project - Dumfries and Galloway Citizens Advice Service - £68,670
Workplace ESOL Project - Glasgow ESOL Forum - £185,000
Black Community Skills Project - Skillnet Edinburgh - £250,000
Integration and Orientation programme - Integrating Toryglen Community Ltd - £165,000
Ladders to employability and integration - Bridges Programme (Glasgow) - £245,000
Integration Network - Maryhill Integration Network - £190,000
Asylum Seeker & Refugee Project - Maryhill Citizens Advice Bureau - £187,000
Good Community Relations Project - West of Scotland Race Equality Council - £240,000
Govanhill Together - Crossroads Youth and Community Association - £160,000
Race and Religion Relations Support Service - Dundee Citizens Advice Bureau - £109,000
Empowering Youth: Future Leaders - Scottish Islamic Foundation Glasgow) - £190,000
Connecting and Empowering Communities - Scottish Council of Jewish Communities (Glasgow) - £100,000
Inter-Faith Development Project - Edinburgh Interfaith Association - £190,000
National Development Programme (Phase 2) - Minority Ethnic Carers of Older People (MECOPP (Edinburgh) - £195,000
Youth - Faith Exploration Services - Youth Community Support Agency (YCSA) (Glasgow) - £190,000
Volunteer & Learning Development Project - Greater Pollok Integration Network (GPIN) - £130,000
Improving Access For All - Ethnic Minorities Law Centre (Glasgow/ Edinburgh) - £236,000
Gypsy/Traveller Advice and Support Project - Gypsy Traveller Education and Information Project (Aberdeen) - £105,000
Women & Children’s Project - Legal Services Agency (Glasgow) - £27,000
Festival of Spirituality and Peace - Church of St john the Evangelist (Edinburgh) - £130,000
Empowering individuals media skills - Awaz FM (Glasgow) - £190,000
Partners in Mental Health - Saheliya (Edinburgh) - £165,000
One Workplace Equal Rights Project - STUC (Glasgow) - £165,000
New Migrants Action Project - Positive Action in Housing (Glasgow) - £160,000
Family Counselling, Mediation & Advocacy project - Amina (Glasgow) - £126,000
DIWC Integration Project - Dundee International Women’s Centre £160,000
3R Project - Young Scot (Edinburgh) - £330,000
Building Partnerships Work - Scottish Alliance of Racial Equality Councils (working through Central Racial Equality Council, Edinburgh and Lothians REC, Grampian REC and West of Scotland REC) - £330,000
TOTAL - £5,625,236
Could this be the reason ???? (lol)
**Citizens of Member States of the European Union - include all citizens of the following states.
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden.
These citizens will be registered as local government electors and (unless they are all qualifying commonwealth citizens such as citizens of Cyprus, Malta, or the Irish Republic, who can vote in all elections) are also entitled to vote in Scottish Parliament elections.
*SOURCE:- MigrantInfo Source.org.uk
**SOURCE:- Glasgow Register of Electors 2008/09
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 9:24am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:-[/bold]
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.[/quote]
[quote]NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families[/quote]
They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.
fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:-
I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families
They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 9:53am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]BLOCKEM[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:-[/bold] I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.[/quote] [quote]NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families[/quote] They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.[/quote] The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951
Today it stands at roughly 600,000
Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole.
Fact
BLOCKEM wrote:
fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:- I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families
They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.
The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951
Today it stands at roughly 600,000
Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole.
Fact
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 11:45am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BLOCKEM[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:-[/bold] I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.[/quote] [quote]NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families[/quote] They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.[/quote] The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951 Today it stands at roughly 600,000 Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000 Does that sound like a thriving city to you? I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole. Fact[/quote] The reduced population is because of boundary changes. The city is artificially smaller because of this. I suggest you go back and watch an old 1980s episode of Taggart and compare Glasgow then to how it looks now and I wouldn't say that it is a "hole". Still a lot of areas you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy - true - but on the whole it's a better place now than when I was growing up.
The Missing City wrote:
BLOCKEM wrote: fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:- I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families
They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.
The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951 Today it stands at roughly 600,000 Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000 Does that sound like a thriving city to you? I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole. Fact
The reduced population is because of boundary changes. The city is artificially smaller because of this. I suggest you go back and watch an old 1980s episode of Taggart and compare Glasgow then to how it looks now and I wouldn't say that it is a "hole". Still a lot of areas you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy - true - but on the whole it's a better place now than when I was growing up.
Posted by: Brad on 12:36pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote]The reduced population is because of boundary changes.[/quote]
It's more because of smaller households. Inner city Glasgow was massively overcrowded. People who have moved to the Mearns haven't really left Glasgow, even if they've hopped a boundary. There are more households in Glasgow now that 25 years ago, even if the population is less. Folk now live 1-2 to a 1-bed flat, rather than 5+ in a single end. That's not a bad thing.
Population growth would be good though.
The reduced population is because of boundary changes.
It's more because of smaller households. Inner city Glasgow was massively overcrowded. People who have moved to the Mearns haven't really left Glasgow, even if they've hopped a boundary. There are more households in Glasgow now that 25 years ago, even if the population is less. Folk now live 1-2 to a 1-bed flat, rather than 5+ in a single end. That's not a bad thing.
Population growth would be good though.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:41pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]BLOCKEM[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:-[/bold] I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.[/quote] [quote]NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families[/quote] They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.[/quote] The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951 Today it stands at roughly 600,000 Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000 Does that sound like a thriving city to you? I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole. Fact[/quote] The reduced population is because of boundary changes. The city is artificially smaller because of this. I suggest you go back and watch an old 1980s episode of Taggart and compare Glasgow then to how it looks now and I wouldn't say that it is a "hole". Still a lot of areas you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy - true - but on the whole it's a better place now than when I was growing up.[/quote] Rapid, the boundary has hardly changed since 1951 - in 1975 Areas such as Rutherglen, Cambuslang, Halfway as well as Carmyle and Ballieston were annexed to the city as a result of its dwindling population which stood around 800,000 in 1971
Nothing much has changed since except that people opted out in Rutherglen to leave Glasgow which meant a shortfall in the populatioon - they moved because of the council tax thing even if they were annexed to a hole.
Of course, regardless of what is annexed or added on to the city, it hasn't stopped the population from declining over the years.
PS I don't have to watch Taggart to see what areas like Springburn, Castlemilk, Easterhouse and the Barrowfield were like, I grew up seeing them with my own eyes as well as studying archives courtesy of STV and the BBC 9as well as the old Scottish Film Council, now Scottish Scree, and soon to be changed again to merge with the Scottish Arts Council.
That stuff is worth more than its weight in gold!
RapidAssistant wrote:
The Missing City wrote: BLOCKEM wrote: fedupwithmoans, glasgow, posted:- I have visited this area on several occassions and what is missing is a united community,I think most normal people would like that.Yes get rid of the slum landlords they are the ones who are bringing it down, NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families, and that is what we all want. In a perfect world we would all live in peace, why dothe people in that area not get together and prove everyone wrong. Good Luck to them all in this very awful prejudiced world. I am with them all the way.
NOT the different cultures, some have come here because they have been told they will get a better life for their families
They are not NOT entitled to go to go to another country or city if their arrival will be to the detriment of the indigenous population of that country or city.
The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951 Today it stands at roughly 600,000 Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000 Does that sound like a thriving city to you? I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole. Fact
The reduced population is because of boundary changes. The city is artificially smaller because of this. I suggest you go back and watch an old 1980s episode of Taggart and compare Glasgow then to how it looks now and I wouldn't say that it is a "hole". Still a lot of areas you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy - true - but on the whole it's a better place now than when I was growing up.
Rapid, the boundary has hardly changed since 1951 - in 1975 Areas such as Rutherglen, Cambuslang, Halfway as well as Carmyle and Ballieston were annexed to the city as a result of its dwindling population which stood around 800,000 in 1971
Nothing much has changed since except that people opted out in Rutherglen to leave Glasgow which meant a shortfall in the populatioon - they moved because of the council tax thing even if they were annexed to a hole.
Of course, regardless of what is annexed or added on to the city, it hasn't stopped the population from declining over the years.
PS I don't have to watch Taggart to see what areas like Springburn, Castlemilk, Easterhouse and the Barrowfield were like, I grew up seeing them with my own eyes as well as studying archives courtesy of STV and the BBC 9as well as the old Scottish Film Council, now Scottish Scree, and soon to be changed again to merge with the Scottish Arts Council.
That stuff is worth more than its weight in gold!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:49pm Fri 22 Aug 08
In all honesty, the housing plan from around the beginning of the 1930's has been a sham - the interwar housing was poorly planned, hence there's little of it remaining.
The Post war problem with overcrowding, now this is the major problem - Glasgow obliterated and left in ruins due to dispersing the population.
The housing constructed for alleviating thjis so-called problem has all but gone - we must have had money to burn back in the day, meanwhile the inner city is left to rot in the present day as we have seen with the north side and the east end in particular.
The overspill tag was a joke, especially as cities in England have overtaken us, EDinburgh which is smaller than Glasgow geographically has almost the same population as Glasgow, yet they got to keep their buildings and their long standing districts.
A major overhaul is required for long term stability - until we get that here, the whole thing is going to go round in circles as it has done for many years.
With or without the spin and buck passing by Labour.
In all honesty, the housing plan from around the beginning of the 1930's has been a sham - the interwar housing was poorly planned, hence there's little of it remaining.
The Post war problem with overcrowding, now this is the major problem - Glasgow obliterated and left in ruins due to dispersing the population.
The housing constructed for alleviating thjis so-called problem has all but gone - we must have had money to burn back in the day, meanwhile the inner city is left to rot in the present day as we have seen with the north side and the east end in particular.
The overspill tag was a joke, especially as cities in England have overtaken us, EDinburgh which is smaller than Glasgow geographically has almost the same population as Glasgow, yet they got to keep their buildings and their long standing districts.
A major overhaul is required for long term stability - until we get that here, the whole thing is going to go round in circles as it has done for many years.
With or without the spin and buck passing by Labour.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:24pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Re: the shrinking population of Glasgow - It applies equally to other parts of Scotland, whereby there are no "real" jobs left for the Scottish population, thanks to successive failures (most notably Thatcher's regime) of Westminster governments to invest in the infrastructure. Remember Beardmores at Parkhead?.. Now the Parkhead Forge shopping complex. Upper Clyde Shipbuilders??.. What's left of the yards are mainly foreign-owned and/or controlled. St Rollox railway works??.. Last time I was in the Charles Street area, it was a sorry-looking facility, with the main replacements being TESCO, COSTCO, and the Royal Mail depot. Let's all be honest here... The "indigenous" population of Glasgow are competing for retail jobs with immigrants. But, when there is a downturn in the British economy, it's usually Scotland that's the first to suffer. And exactly what skills do shop-workers have, as opposed to a "proper" trade??..
Re: the shrinking population of Glasgow - It applies equally to other parts of Scotland, whereby there are no "real" jobs left for the Scottish population, thanks to successive failures (most notably Thatcher's regime) of Westminster governments to invest in the infrastructure. Remember Beardmores at Parkhead?.. Now the Parkhead Forge shopping complex. Upper Clyde Shipbuilders??.. What's left of the yards are mainly foreign-owned and/or controlled. St Rollox railway works??.. Last time I was in the Charles Street area, it was a sorry-looking facility, with the main replacements being TESCO, COSTCO, and the Royal Mail depot. Let's all be honest here... The "indigenous" population of Glasgow are competing for retail jobs with immigrants. But, when there is a downturn in the British economy, it's usually Scotland that's the first to suffer. And exactly what skills do shop-workers have, as opposed to a "proper" trade??..
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:00pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Re: the shrinking population of Glasgow - It applies equally to other parts of Scotland, whereby there are no "real" jobs left for the Scottish population, thanks to successive failures (most notably Thatcher's regime) of Westminster governments to invest in the infrastructure. Remember Beardmores at Parkhead?.. Now the Parkhead Forge shopping complex. Upper Clyde Shipbuilders??.. What's left of the yards are mainly foreign-owned and/or controlled. St Rollox railway works??.. Last time I was in the Charles Street area, it was a sorry-looking facility, with the main replacements being TESCO, COSTCO, and the Royal Mail depot. Let's all be honest here... The "indigenous" population of Glasgow are competing for retail jobs with immigrants. But, when there is a downturn in the British economy, it's usually Scotland that's the first to suffer. And exactly what skills do shop-workers have, as opposed to a "proper" trade??..[/quote] Alright Steven
You sound like the son of a bitter exile
Going by what you said above, it makes you wonder why so many people turned to drink and drugs or even suicide for that matter.
You're probably well better off where you are, I may not be all that far behind you, considering I went to school in London and lived along the road from the Thatcher mansion in Dulwich
A million miles away from the madness that is all too common here.
steven976 wrote:
Re: the shrinking population of Glasgow - It applies equally to other parts of Scotland, whereby there are no "real" jobs left for the Scottish population, thanks to successive failures (most notably Thatcher's regime) of Westminster governments to invest in the infrastructure. Remember Beardmores at Parkhead?.. Now the Parkhead Forge shopping complex. Upper Clyde Shipbuilders??.. What's left of the yards are mainly foreign-owned and/or controlled. St Rollox railway works??.. Last time I was in the Charles Street area, it was a sorry-looking facility, with the main replacements being TESCO, COSTCO, and the Royal Mail depot. Let's all be honest here... The "indigenous" population of Glasgow are competing for retail jobs with immigrants. But, when there is a downturn in the British economy, it's usually Scotland that's the first to suffer. And exactly what skills do shop-workers have, as opposed to a "proper" trade??..
Alright Steven
You sound like the son of a bitter exile
Going by what you said above, it makes you wonder why so many people turned to drink and drugs or even suicide for that matter.
You're probably well better off where you are, I may not be all that far behind you, considering I went to school in London and lived along the road from the Thatcher mansion in Dulwich
A million miles away from the madness that is all too common here.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:17pm Fri 22 Aug 08
thank you wise one for that info on the space required in flats being let out....now if the glasgow politians could have a few of these papers on overcrowding printed and hand delivered to the slummies(landlords) then stick it on their foreheads, and take along traslators IN ALL LANGUAGES so the proud property owners know the rules and regulations are adhered to.... ("me no no" does not cut it any more.)
thank you wise one for that info on the space required in flats being let out....now if the glasgow politians could have a few of these papers on overcrowding printed and hand delivered to the slummies(landlords) then stick it on their foreheads, and take along traslators IN ALL LANGUAGES so the proud property owners know the rules and regulations are adhered to.... ("me no no" does not cut it any more.)
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:29pm Fri 22 Aug 08
THE MISSING CITY - nearly right!!.. I AM a bitter exile! Although my job's not "skilled" in the sense I defined earlier, at least it's not mind-numbingly boring!! As for the madness in Glasgow - I always felt it was prevalent there, even "we" were the "European City of Culture" in 1990, or hosts of the Garden Festival that was supposed to hail a new era for the city.. I think, for as long as people there feel "down-trodden" and "hard-done-by", there will always be that lack of "self-worth". Both festivals I mentioned were supposed to be the symbols of the best of Glasgow, but too many of the "labotomised" failed to realise this, and are continuing on the path of "self-destruction". Even now, the "fenians" and "proddy-dogs" there indulge in their inward-looking self-loathing, whereas (thank God) I have travelled the world in my job down here, met many people of different creeds, colours, ethnic backgrounds, and religious differences... All I will say to my fellow Weegies is... C'MOAN IN, THE WATTER'S LOVELY!! Doesn't matter who you are or what you are, we are all truly "Jock Tamson's bairns"..!!
THE MISSING CITY - nearly right!!.. I AM a bitter exile! Although my job's not "skilled" in the sense I defined earlier, at least it's not mind-numbingly boring!! As for the madness in Glasgow - I always felt it was prevalent there, even "we" were the "European City of Culture" in 1990, or hosts of the Garden Festival that was supposed to hail a new era for the city.. I think, for as long as people there feel "down-trodden" and "hard-done-by", there will always be that lack of "self-worth". Both festivals I mentioned were supposed to be the symbols of the best of Glasgow, but too many of the "labotomised" failed to realise this, and are continuing on the path of "self-destruction". Even now, the "fenians" and "proddy-dogs" there indulge in their inward-looking self-loathing, whereas (thank God) I have travelled the world in my job down here, met many people of different creeds, colours, ethnic backgrounds, and religious differences... All I will say to my fellow Weegies is... C'MOAN IN, THE WATTER'S LOVELY!! Doesn't matter who you are or what you are, we are all truly "Jock Tamson's bairns"..!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:54pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
THE MISSING CITY - nearly right!!.. I AM a bitter exile! Although my job's not "skilled" in the sense I defined earlier, at least it's not mind-numbingly boring!! As for the madness in Glasgow - I always felt it was prevalent there, even "we" were the "European City of Culture" in 1990, or hosts of the Garden Festival that was supposed to hail a new era for the city.. I think, for as long as people there feel "down-trodden" and "hard-done-by", there will always be that lack of "self-worth". Both festivals I mentioned were supposed to be the symbols of the best of Glasgow, but too many of the "labotomised" failed to realise this, and are continuing on the path of "self-destruction". Even now, the "fenians" and "proddy-dogs" there indulge in their inward-looking self-loathing, whereas (thank God) I have travelled the world in my job down here, met many people of different creeds, colours, ethnic backgrounds, and religious differences... All I will say to my fellow Weegies is... C'MOAN IN, THE WATTER'S LOVELY!! Doesn't matter who you are or what you are, we are all truly "Jock Tamson's bairns"..!![/quote] Indeed, accurate response on stuff I saw myself - you have a good weekend, you even have better weather down there too yah lucky so n so
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steven976 wrote:
THE MISSING CITY - nearly right!!.. I AM a bitter exile! Although my job's not "skilled" in the sense I defined earlier, at least it's not mind-numbingly boring!! As for the madness in Glasgow - I always felt it was prevalent there, even "we" were the "European City of Culture" in 1990, or hosts of the Garden Festival that was supposed to hail a new era for the city.. I think, for as long as people there feel "down-trodden" and "hard-done-by", there will always be that lack of "self-worth". Both festivals I mentioned were supposed to be the symbols of the best of Glasgow, but too many of the "labotomised" failed to realise this, and are continuing on the path of "self-destruction". Even now, the "fenians" and "proddy-dogs" there indulge in their inward-looking self-loathing, whereas (thank God) I have travelled the world in my job down here, met many people of different creeds, colours, ethnic backgrounds, and religious differences... All I will say to my fellow Weegies is... C'MOAN IN, THE WATTER'S LOVELY!! Doesn't matter who you are or what you are, we are all truly "Jock Tamson's bairns"..!!
Indeed, accurate response on stuff I saw myself - you have a good weekend, you even have better weather down there too yah lucky so n so
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Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 6:34pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Could I ask that the Evening Times stop accomadating all politicians who want a "photo opportunity" to further their own political goals.
The decent people of Govanhill are sick and tired of having this dreadful situation used by organisations such as Govanhill Housing Association and politicians such as Purcell and Sarwat to further their own goals and aims. Differnece is we have to live here, they don't. It is just a political game to them.
None of them were interested over these past few years when we were demanding existing laws be implemented.
Why should your money, my money, taxpapers money be used to benefit Slum Landlords. Name them, they know who they are. Implement compulsory purchase and take the flats off them. Clean up Allison St and make shopkeepers abide by existing bye laws to maintain health and environmental standars.
Decent people in Govanhill are sick and tired of this whole mess. Regeneration money, who will benefit?? Decent people in Govanhill want to see the whole ***** area cleaned up and law and order maintained. We just want the same as any other decent area.
Please no more photo shoots for politicians. We have all had enough.
Could I ask that the Evening Times stop accomadating all politicians who want a "photo opportunity" to further their own political goals.
The decent people of Govanhill are sick and tired of having this dreadful situation used by organisations such as Govanhill Housing Association and politicians such as Purcell and Sarwat to further their own goals and aims. Differnece is we have to live here, they don't. It is just a political game to them.
None of them were interested over these past few years when we were demanding existing laws be implemented.
Why should your money, my money, taxpapers money be used to benefit Slum Landlords. Name them, they know who they are. Implement compulsory purchase and take the flats off them. Clean up Allison St and make shopkeepers abide by existing bye laws to maintain health and environmental standars.
Decent people in Govanhill are sick and tired of this whole mess. Regeneration money, who will benefit?? Decent people in Govanhill want to see the whole ***** area cleaned up and law and order maintained. We just want the same as any other decent area.
Please no more photo shoots for politicians. We have all had enough.
Posted by: BLOCKEM, Glasgow on 7:35pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City, Glasgow posted:-[/bold]
The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951
Today it stands at roughly 600,000
Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole.
Fact
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[quote]Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000[/quote]
Don’t know where or how you arrive at this figure - I wont ask you to justify it
Of the Glaswegians who left in the fifties, many were relocated to East Kilbride, Glenrothes etc. At that time Glasgow was overcrowded, the population had to be reduced substantially.
What do we have now?
Of the recent influx of economic migrants from the Eastern Bloc, the majority of those dumped in Govanhill by their transporters bring zero to this city - they are becoming, sorry are, a major problem. They were dumped here because our city councillors have let it be known that they will accept anyone in Glasgow and fix them up with all they need. Glasgow is now a worldwide recognized dumping-ground. Offload your asylum seekers / immigrants onto Glasgow - there will be no protest (from our councillors) Some may be here legally but it’s just not working.
Glasgow has circa 8,000 asylum seekers sitting on their backsides contributing zero to the economy but receiving £££millions in benefits. Circa 1100 (can’t get up-to-date figures, probably more) are failed asylum families who refuse to leave Glasgow and the UK and continue to clog up our houses, schools, colleges, hospitals, surgeries and cause no small amount of havoc to our Home Office.
Glasgow City Council did a £250,000,000 (sic) deal with the Home Office to accommodate asylum seekers here. Glasgow is the only constituency out of 32 in Scotland to ‘‘do the deal’’. If asylum seekers are so beneficial to a city, why are other cities and towns not ‘‘doing a deal’’ to accommodate asylum seekers?
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
A city needs quality, not quantity. Glasgow does not need to add to its population if the incomers are detrimental to the indigenous people. That was the point I was making in reply to ‘‘fedupwithmoans, glasgow’’.
The Missing City, Glasgow posted:-
The population of this city stood at 1.1 million in 1951
Today it stands at roughly 600,000
Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
I think not, especially as people who came from here would probably never come back as a result of the political interference (Of Westminster Origin) which has turned this de-urbanised city of ours into a hole.
Fact
Had it not been for a bit of migration - we would probably only have a population of around 450,000
Don’t know where or how you arrive at this figure - I wont ask you to justify it
Of the Glaswegians who left in the fifties, many were relocated to East Kilbride, Glenrothes etc. At that time Glasgow was overcrowded, the population had to be reduced substantially.
What do we have now?
Of the recent influx of economic migrants from the Eastern Bloc, the majority of those dumped in Govanhill by their transporters bring zero to this city - they are becoming, sorry are, a major problem. They were dumped here because our city councillors have let it be known that they will accept anyone in Glasgow and fix them up with all they need. Glasgow is now a worldwide recognized dumping-ground. Offload your asylum seekers / immigrants onto Glasgow - there will be no protest (from our councillors) Some may be here legally but it’s just not working.
Glasgow has circa 8,000 asylum seekers sitting on their backsides contributing zero to the economy but receiving £££millions in benefits. Circa 1100 (can’t get up-to-date figures, probably more) are failed asylum families who refuse to leave Glasgow and the UK and continue to clog up our houses, schools, colleges, hospitals, surgeries and cause no small amount of havoc to our Home Office.
Glasgow City Council did a £250,000,000 (sic) deal with the Home Office to accommodate asylum seekers here. Glasgow is the only constituency out of 32 in Scotland to ‘‘do the deal’’. If asylum seekers are so beneficial to a city, why are other cities and towns not ‘‘doing a deal’’ to accommodate asylum seekers?
Does that sound like a thriving city to you?
A city needs quality, not quantity. Glasgow does not need to add to its population if the incomers are detrimental to the indigenous people. That was the point I was making in reply to ‘‘fedupwithmoans, glasgow’’.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 11:13pm Sat 23 Aug 08
OMG, glasgow councillors, hang your head in shame, this is the country that our forefathers fought in the wars for? and if you think doing a 'walk about' is going to award you brownie points ,then you are very much mistaken i would be hiding my face never mind posing along with the other lot, look up the places for rent, get them made into flats and do them up nice(the way you would if it was a diplomat that you were welcoming)there are office buildings lying empty, so that would be a good start,i always thought if you were a person in charge of running things ...then that is exactly what you did, you check things over, then you check again, or am i dissolutioned?.....a
s one of the monarchy once said "get the finger out", as a matter of fact i dare you to invite george brown for a visit(he lived in glasgow years ago,)advise him not to have a meal beforehand! sorry laddie about this rant....but thats in the job description.
OMG, glasgow councillors, hang your head in shame, this is the country that our forefathers fought in the wars for? and if you think doing a 'walk about' is going to award you brownie points ,then you are very much mistaken i would be hiding my face never mind posing along with the other lot, look up the places for rent, get them made into flats and do them up nice(the way you would if it was a diplomat that you were welcoming)there are office buildings lying empty, so that would be a good start,i always thought if you were a person in charge of running things ...then that is exactly what you did, you check things over, then you check again, or am i dissolutioned?.....a
s one of the monarchy once said "get the finger out", as a matter of fact i dare you to invite george brown for a visit(he lived in glasgow years ago,)advise him not to have a meal beforehand! sorry laddie about this rant....but thats in the job description.
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 4:07am Sun 24 Aug 08
"Mr Purcell met officials, campaigners and Govanhill residents at a meeting organised by Anas Sarwar, son of the Govan MP Mohammad."
[bold]You couldn't make this stuff up.[/bold]
Who does Anus Sarwar think he is?
"Mr Purcell met officials, campaigners and Govanhill residents at a meeting organised by Anas Sarwar, son of the Govan MP Mohammad."
You couldn't make this stuff up.
Who does Anus Sarwar think he is?
Posted by: Govanhill, Govanhill on 10:02am Sun 24 Aug 08
Take a walk around Allison St, Govanhill and you will witness that all of the efforts that our grandparents struggled and fought for to introduce the reforms of the 1945 Welfare State have been eroded.
Thank you Mr Purcell and Mr Sarwar.
Take a walk around Allison St, Govanhill and you will witness that all of the efforts that our grandparents struggled and fought for to introduce the reforms of the 1945 Welfare State have been eroded.
Thank you Mr Purcell and Mr Sarwar.
Posted by: Michael Woods, Drumchapel on 12:02pm Mon 25 Aug 08
The real problem with this city of ours is the complete lack of pride in it by it's residents. Hordes of neds and ned-parents have turned this once proud, although grubby, place into a dirty, rubbish-filled cesspit of a place. Strewn with broken glass, take-aways and needles. And not a sign of real pride.
Wake up whitey !
Try blaming that on a few foreigners.
The real problem with this city of ours is the complete lack of pride in it by it's residents. Hordes of neds and ned-parents have turned this once proud, although grubby, place into a dirty, rubbish-filled cesspit of a place. Strewn with broken glass, take-aways and needles. And not a sign of real pride.
Wake up whitey !
Try blaming that on a few foreigners.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:13pm Mon 25 Aug 08
mr woods....i aplaud you sir, RIGHT ON.
mr woods....i aplaud you sir, RIGHT ON.
Posted by: GlaswegianMo, Glasgow on 3:49pm Fri 5 Sep 08
The real issue is the slum landlords like councillor Hanif, who having been rogue landlords for years get on to the council and then start campaigning to improve areas where they rent out their slums that way they directly gain from the public purse(whilst not mentioning until caught out by the papers that they own flats there hmmm, very dodgy..) Talk about crafty and underhand.
The real issue is the slum landlords like councillor Hanif, who having been rogue landlords for years get on to the council and then start campaigning to improve areas where they rent out their slums that way they directly gain from the public purse(whilst not mentioning until caught out by the papers that they own flats there hmmm, very dodgy..) Talk about crafty and underhand.
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