Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:29am Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote]Julie Robertson, who has lived in Renfrew Street for 15 years, said: "I find it incredible that the location would be proposed - let alone sanctioned - given it is next door to St Aloysius secondary and around the corner from two primaries, two nursery schools and opposite the art school."[/quote]
Well dear, unless you put a hostel on Mull or somewhere, of course it's going to next to schools or houses. Where exactly do you propose it goes. Don't tell me, as long as it's not beside you, eh?
Julie Robertson, who has lived in Renfrew Street for 15 years, said: "I find it incredible that the location would be proposed - let alone sanctioned - given it is next door to St Aloysius secondary and around the corner from two primaries, two nursery schools and opposite the art school."
Well dear, unless you put a hostel on Mull or somewhere, of course it's going to next to schools or houses. Where exactly do you propose it goes. Don't tell me, as long as it's not beside you, eh?
Posted by: Homerjay Simpson, Glasgow on 11:53am Fri 22 Aug 08
N I M B Y
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 12:58pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Well I wouldn't want all these old winos strewing their Tennent's Super cans all over my front lawn either. But as Stewie points out above - it's the old "not in my backyard" syndrome and we're all guilty of it!
Rather than sweep the problem under the carpet by building a hostel for these people and let them rot by just giving them the cash for them to kill themselves with booze, why can't we actually DO something to help them instead.
Well I wouldn't want all these old winos strewing their Tennent's Super cans all over my front lawn either. But as Stewie points out above - it's the old "not in my backyard" syndrome and we're all guilty of it!
Rather than sweep the problem under the carpet by building a hostel for these people and let them rot by just giving them the cash for them to kill themselves with booze, why can't we actually DO something to help them instead.
Posted by: CrackerG, Glasgow on 1:49pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Julie Robertson, who has lived in Renfrew Street for 15 years, said: "I find it incredible that the location would be proposed - let alone sanctioned - given it is next door to St Aloysius secondary and around the corner from two primaries, two nursery schools and opposite the art school."[/quote] Well dear, unless you put a hostel on Mull or somewhere, of course it's going to next to schools or houses. Where exactly do you propose it goes. Don't tell me, as long as it's not beside you, eh? [/quote] "Where exactly do you propose it goes"
You said it.........Mull!! (or any other island that keeps these reprobates away from civilised society)
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Julie Robertson, who has lived in Renfrew Street for 15 years, said: "I find it incredible that the location would be proposed - let alone sanctioned - given it is next door to St Aloysius secondary and around the corner from two primaries, two nursery schools and opposite the art school."
Well dear, unless you put a hostel on Mull or somewhere, of course it's going to next to schools or houses. Where exactly do you propose it goes. Don't tell me, as long as it's not beside you, eh?
"Where exactly do you propose it goes"
You said it.........Mull!! (or any other island that keeps these reprobates away from civilised society)
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 1:59pm Fri 22 Aug 08
It is the provision of homeless hostels in cities like Glasgow that attracts chancers from everywhere,no hostels and they won't come.A lot of people getting rich from providing the accomodation unfortunately:-(
It is the provision of homeless hostels in cities like Glasgow that attracts chancers from everywhere,no hostels and they won't come.A lot of people getting rich from providing the accomodation unfortunately:-(
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 2:09pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Send these f*****S to live in tents on St Kilda.
Send these f*****S to live in tents on St Kilda.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 3:06pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Edinburgh Aberdeen and dundee .Actually send their homeless or people coming out prison to the Glasgow hostels.As for sendong them to islands .What have the islands done to deserve that?But in saying that,get 2 unihabited islands .One for as much FREE crack .heroin,Etc etc etc they can pump themselves of.And another island for rehab ,And they must be 3yrs claen before letting them out on our streets again.Hows that .
Edinburgh Aberdeen and dundee .Actually send their homeless or people coming out prison to the Glasgow hostels.As for sendong them to islands .What have the islands done to deserve that?But in saying that,get 2 unihabited islands .One for as much FREE crack .heroin,Etc etc etc they can pump themselves of.And another island for rehab ,And they must be 3yrs claen before letting them out on our streets again.Hows that .
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 3:15pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Well St Kilda is unoccupied as far as I am aware. No doubt with food shortages they will resort to cannabilism.
Well St Kilda is unoccupied as far as I am aware. No doubt with food shortages they will resort to cannabilism.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:22pm Fri 22 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Asturias[/bold] wrote:
Send these f*****S to live in tents on St Kilda.[/quote] Anthrax island.
Asturias wrote:
Send these f*****S to live in tents on St Kilda.
Anthrax island.
Posted by: silvixen, Glasgow on 4:56pm Fri 22 Aug 08
I suppose its pointless to make a comment on the people who through no fault of their own find themselves having to be accommodated in these ****holes. Divorce, remarriage ect all have an impact on family cohesion
I suppose its pointless to make a comment on the people who through no fault of their own find themselves having to be accommodated in these ****holes. Divorce, remarriage ect all have an impact on family cohesion
Posted by: Breugel, west end on 5:12pm Fri 22 Aug 08
Re the effers mentioned in previous posts the way things are going,houses repossessed,jobs lost et al,there may well be a time when such hostels are needed.
Re the effers mentioned in previous posts the way things are going,houses repossessed,jobs lost et al,there may well be a time when such hostels are needed.
Posted by: Breugel, west end on 5:14pm Fri 22 Aug 08
More so than today.
Posted by: bizzybee, glasgow on 3:20pm Sat 23 Aug 08
I can only agree with residents in Garnethill..power to them! Why should they have to rehabilitate people who don't give a monkey's about anyone but themselves. If you choose to do drugs etc its your choice and then your responsibility to come off..not anyone elses. If you have the money to do drugs/drink etc then you have the money to feed/clothe/house yourself. No one else should have to suffer from these people'e CHOICE of lifestyle.
I can only agree with residents in Garnethill..power to them! Why should they have to rehabilitate people who don't give a monkey's about anyone but themselves. If you choose to do drugs etc its your choice and then your responsibility to come off..not anyone elses. If you have the money to do drugs/drink etc then you have the money to feed/clothe/house yourself. No one else should have to suffer from these people'e CHOICE of lifestyle.
Posted by: whatdidyourlastconsc
iencedieo, Glasgow on 4:42pm Sat 23 Aug 08
No-one wants 'trouble' on their doorstep, however, as our 'services' continue to fail people who have an addiction, we will have the society we shun calling them low-life, did we think George Best was LOW LIFE, do we think Charles Kennedy is LOW LIFE, is John Reid LOW LIFE, have you know someone fallen into this self destructive life, no matter their background, money or not, can i suggest that all school children be taught the 12 steps of AA, after all most modern businesses use the 'slogans' they like from it to motivate the pavlovs dogs of commerce, wake up people there but for the grace of 'your' god go you and your loved ones, lets start treating this epidemic, un-sexy as it is, it needs people power to help those afficted, instead of people power wishing anhilation of anyone with an addiction.
No-one wants 'trouble' on their doorstep, however, as our 'services' continue to fail people who have an addiction, we will have the society we shun calling them low-life, did we think George Best was LOW LIFE, do we think Charles Kennedy is LOW LIFE, is John Reid LOW LIFE, have you know someone fallen into this self destructive life, no matter their background, money or not, can i suggest that all school children be taught the 12 steps of AA, after all most modern businesses use the 'slogans' they like from it to motivate the pavlovs dogs of commerce, wake up people there but for the grace of 'your' god go you and your loved ones, lets start treating this epidemic, un-sexy as it is, it needs people power to help those afficted, instead of people power wishing anhilation of anyone with an addiction.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 7:46pm Sat 23 Aug 08
[quote][bold]whatdidyourlastconsciencedieo[/bold] wrote:
No-one wants 'trouble' on their doorstep, however, as our 'services' continue to fail people who have an addiction, we will have the society we shun calling them low-life, did we think George Best was LOW LIFE, do we think Charles Kennedy is LOW LIFE, is John Reid LOW LIFE, have you know someone fallen into this self destructive life, no matter their background, money or not, can i suggest that all school children be taught the 12 steps of AA, after all most modern businesses use the 'slogans' they like from it to motivate the pavlovs dogs of commerce, wake up people there but for the grace of 'your' god go you and your loved ones, lets start treating this epidemic, un-sexy as it is, it needs people power to help those afficted, instead of people power wishing anhilation of anyone with an addiction.[/quote] your full of excrement george best never begged nor does the 2 politicians get yourslf better examples
whatdidyourlastconsciencedieo wrote:
No-one wants 'trouble' on their doorstep, however, as our 'services' continue to fail people who have an addiction, we will have the society we shun calling them low-life, did we think George Best was LOW LIFE, do we think Charles Kennedy is LOW LIFE, is John Reid LOW LIFE, have you know someone fallen into this self destructive life, no matter their background, money or not, can i suggest that all school children be taught the 12 steps of AA, after all most modern businesses use the 'slogans' they like from it to motivate the pavlovs dogs of commerce, wake up people there but for the grace of 'your' god go you and your loved ones, lets start treating this epidemic, un-sexy as it is, it needs people power to help those afficted, instead of people power wishing anhilation of anyone with an addiction.
your full of excrement george best never begged nor does the 2 politicians get yourslf better examples
Posted by: concerned, Garnethill on 10:12pm Sat 23 Aug 08
I saw posters up. No wonder folk afraid. is someone saying everyone said no? Don't go to this Garnethill place. Do they all own houses? Lucky? Who'd want to stay near them. Sounds horrible. easterhouse much better. Hope here.
Nice people.
I saw posters up. No wonder folk afraid. is someone saying everyone said no? Don't go to this Garnethill place. Do they all own houses? Lucky? Who'd want to stay near them. Sounds horrible. easterhouse much better. Hope here.
Nice people.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 9:55am Mon 25 Aug 08
In one way, I feel sorry that a hostel has been blocked because its services are clearly needed and the arguments against it are weak.
On the other, having seen the effect on the southside of the hostel near Queen's Park which caused a huge spike in crime in the local area, I can see why the residents have reservations.
In one way, I feel sorry that a hostel has been blocked because its services are clearly needed and the arguments against it are weak.
On the other, having seen the effect on the southside of the hostel near Queen's Park which caused a huge spike in crime in the local area, I can see why the residents have reservations.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:37am Mon 25 Aug 08
Close one hostel in the south side and open another in the city centre. Taken a stroll down Clyde Street? next to the High Court, the hostel there is an utter disgrace, drugs, drunks and the unwashed. The accomadation in question requires to be moved away from our tourist attractions.
Close one hostel in the south side and open another in the city centre. Taken a stroll down Clyde Street? next to the High Court, the hostel there is an utter disgrace, drugs, drunks and the unwashed. The accomadation in question requires to be moved away from our tourist attractions.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:42pm Mon 25 Aug 08
The fight may of been won in Garnethill, but the NIMBY'ism it was fuelled by does not help those who are ligitimately homeless - despite what the cynics say about how they ended up that way.
Until we tackle the root of homelessness, and start investing in far more drug treatment programmes, not just the easy route of dispensing methadone from pharmacys, which is just as addictive, and does not always successfully get people "clean" of the blight of drugs.
MSP's, MP's, and Councillors alike need to get it through their thick skulls that the problem of homelessness will not go away until they have a real, and serious strategy in place to tackle it - along with the shortage of social / affordable housing.
People of Garnethill may be relieved this hostel is not going ahead, but they should just be grateful they are not the ones who need such a facility.
The fight may of been won in Garnethill, but the NIMBY'ism it was fuelled by does not help those who are ligitimately homeless - despite what the cynics say about how they ended up that way.
Until we tackle the root of homelessness, and start investing in far more drug treatment programmes, not just the easy route of dispensing methadone from pharmacys, which is just as addictive, and does not always successfully get people "clean" of the blight of drugs.
MSP's, MP's, and Councillors alike need to get it through their thick skulls that the problem of homelessness will not go away until they have a real, and serious strategy in place to tackle it - along with the shortage of social / affordable housing.
People of Garnethill may be relieved this hostel is not going ahead, but they should just be grateful they are not the ones who need such a facility.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 4:54pm Mon 25 Aug 08
What's legimately homeless versus illegitimately homeless?
Might be NIMBY'ism or might be a pragmatic prediction that cramming 21 homeless people, many of whom are likely to have significant social problems, would have a disproportionately negative affect on that area.
There's been nothing in the articles to indicate it's intentions would be therapeutic or that it would offer residential support services. It just seems to have been about getting heads on beds and pounds into the owner's pocket.
The homeless hostel in Queen's Park resulted in more than 100 arrests of its residents in an 18 month period and the Police supported the decision to close it because the residents were responsible for most of the crime carried out in the area.
Sticking dozens of vulnerable homeless people together, which is likely to include a large number of residents with alcohol/drug problems and criminal records, is a recipe for disaster for them and their neighbours.
What's legimately homeless versus illegitimately homeless?
Might be NIMBY'ism or might be a pragmatic prediction that cramming 21 homeless people, many of whom are likely to have significant social problems, would have a disproportionately negative affect on that area.
There's been nothing in the articles to indicate it's intentions would be therapeutic or that it would offer residential support services. It just seems to have been about getting heads on beds and pounds into the owner's pocket.
The homeless hostel in Queen's Park resulted in more than 100 arrests of its residents in an 18 month period and the Police supported the decision to close it because the residents were responsible for most of the crime carried out in the area.
Sticking dozens of vulnerable homeless people together, which is likely to include a large number of residents with alcohol/drug problems and criminal records, is a recipe for disaster for them and their neighbours.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:39pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Bluey,
Nobody said this measure should be a long term or permanent solution - of course it isn't.
All this does is ensures a safe roof over these peoples heads, and a bed - which should not be a luxury, but a basic necessity.
Yes, of course housing so many homeless "strangers" to each other with social, criminal, medical, and economic issues together is not without its problems.
But, scattering them accross the city in B & B's should not be viewed as any better a solution either.
Ultimately whatever measure is used, the level of intervention by the social work services, mental health teams, police, and yes - even ordinary members of the public will make all the difference.
But, as we all know, all too well the Social Work Department is under/short staffed, and over-stretched. Mental health services are struggling also. And, the police clearly are only dealing with problems once crime/s have been committed, rather than working with the community to help themselves before crimes are committed.
Clearly there are many areas needing worked upon, and areas like community policing, neighbourhood watches, crime prevention panels, and community councils must all work together far better than at present.
It's the fragmented way in which services all do their own thing that causes alot of the problems.
Clearly funding is the major issue which prevents more help & support being given to those who need it.
It is time our councillors, MSP's and MP's all wake up and smell the coffee, and stop sweeping the problem of homelessness under the proverbial carpet.
Hardly "rocket science" is it, just "basic common sense."
Bluey,
Nobody said this measure should be a long term or permanent solution - of course it isn't.
All this does is ensures a safe roof over these peoples heads, and a bed - which should not be a luxury, but a basic necessity.
Yes, of course housing so many homeless "strangers" to each other with social, criminal, medical, and economic issues together is not without its problems.
But, scattering them accross the city in B & B's should not be viewed as any better a solution either.
Ultimately whatever measure is used, the level of intervention by the social work services, mental health teams, police, and yes - even ordinary members of the public will make all the difference.
But, as we all know, all too well the Social Work Department is under/short staffed, and over-stretched. Mental health services are struggling also. And, the police clearly are only dealing with problems once crime/s have been committed, rather than working with the community to help themselves before crimes are committed.
Clearly there are many areas needing worked upon, and areas like community policing, neighbourhood watches, crime prevention panels, and community councils must all work together far better than at present.
It's the fragmented way in which services all do their own thing that causes alot of the problems.
Clearly funding is the major issue which prevents more help & support being given to those who need it.
It is time our councillors, MSP's and MP's all wake up and smell the coffee, and stop sweeping the problem of homelessness under the proverbial carpet.
Hardly "rocket science" is it, just "basic common sense."
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 7:58pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[italic]But, scattering them accross the city in B & B's should not be viewed as any better a solution either.[/italic]
In some ways it is. A critical mass of poor, homeless drunks is a ghetto and a recipe for disaster.
The issue as Cllr Matheson pointed to is that these places need to be well managed. I have seen how social work deals with 'care in the community' cases. I would hope such establishments would be better managed than that.
Social Landlords have been picking up the tab of CITC for years to the detriment of the host communities. The behaviour of some of the anti-social tenents placed in short term housing in various shemes around Glasgow has depressed the comunities they are placed in.
We do need to get tougher on anti-social behaviour. We need to reassure communities that the authorities will evict, expel, eject anti social tenants, whether they have secure tenancies, short term placements or live in a hostel. We cannot continue to accomodate the seriously badly behaved people in our communities, and it's no excuse if they are mentally ill...so what...stop indulging them.
But, scattering them accross the city in B & B's should not be viewed as any better a solution either.
In some ways it is. A critical mass of poor, homeless drunks is a ghetto and a recipe for disaster.
The issue as Cllr Matheson pointed to is that these places need to be well managed. I have seen how social work deals with 'care in the community' cases. I would hope such establishments would be better managed than that.
Social Landlords have been picking up the tab of CITC for years to the detriment of the host communities. The behaviour of some of the anti-social tenents placed in short term housing in various shemes around Glasgow has depressed the comunities they are placed in.
We do need to get tougher on anti-social behaviour. We need to reassure communities that the authorities will evict, expel, eject anti social tenants, whether they have secure tenancies, short term placements or live in a hostel. We cannot continue to accomodate the seriously badly behaved people in our communities, and it's no excuse if they are mentally ill...so what...stop indulging them.
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