Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 11:25am Mon 25 Aug 08
Do we the council tax payer have to bail-out private land lords? Is Glasgow now one big charity? should not those land lords and with that a message to all rogue land lords be that any monies spent will be recouped by either court action or by forced sale.
Do we the council tax payer have to bail-out private land lords? Is Glasgow now one big charity? should not those land lords and with that a message to all rogue land lords be that any monies spent will be recouped by either court action or by forced sale.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:28am Mon 25 Aug 08
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society.
There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this [bold]uneducated and unqualified[/bold] talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities.
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society.
There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this
uneducated and unqualified talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities.
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 11:41am Mon 25 Aug 08
I don't doubt there's a serious problem with quality of housing in Govanhill whose streets look very shabby and which has one of the highest crime rates outside the city centre, probably the highest rate of BME/eastern european migrants and one of the lower rates of employment.
But earlier articles indicated that the councillor was shown a 2 bedroom tenement that had 20 tenants.
Other articles have indicated that it's just as much the tenants turning the properties into slums through anti-social behaviour, including not disposing of rubbish, not cleaning the communal areas, etc.
None of this legislation will be of relevance where tenants cram themselves in like sardines to reduce rent, sublet to their friends and relatives so they get a foothold in the UK or deliberately overcrowd themselves so they are considered priority cases for social housing.
What has happened to the penalties for private landlords who don't comply with the national scottish landlord registration scheme? Have the local council ever issued rent penalty notices preventing tenants from paying rent to an unregistered landlord who hasn't bothered to give their contact details to the local council (thereby evading responsibility for repairs and anti-social tenants)?
If they haven't used this sanction, what's the point of bringing in more legislation for the local council to ignore?
I think a better strategy would be for the local council to work with the HMRC to identify all the private landlords in the area and ensure they are paying tax.
There's nothing like a whiff of the inland revenue that has wide-ranging access to people's financial affairs that would make the rogue landlords start selling up.
I don't doubt there's a serious problem with quality of housing in Govanhill whose streets look very shabby and which has one of the highest crime rates outside the city centre, probably the highest rate of BME/eastern european migrants and one of the lower rates of employment.
But earlier articles indicated that the councillor was shown a 2 bedroom tenement that had 20 tenants.
Other articles have indicated that it's just as much the tenants turning the properties into slums through anti-social behaviour, including not disposing of rubbish, not cleaning the communal areas, etc.
None of this legislation will be of relevance where tenants cram themselves in like sardines to reduce rent, sublet to their friends and relatives so they get a foothold in the UK or deliberately overcrowd themselves so they are considered priority cases for social housing.
What has happened to the penalties for private landlords who don't comply with the national scottish landlord registration scheme? Have the local council ever issued rent penalty notices preventing tenants from paying rent to an unregistered landlord who hasn't bothered to give their contact details to the local council (thereby evading responsibility for repairs and anti-social tenants)?
If they haven't used this sanction, what's the point of bringing in more legislation for the local council to ignore?
I think a better strategy would be for the local council to work with the HMRC to identify all the private landlords in the area and ensure they are paying tax.
There's nothing like a whiff of the inland revenue that has wide-ranging access to people's financial affairs that would make the rogue landlords start selling up.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:53am Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote]all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities.[/quote]
Of which there seem to be plenty in ET. I agree, it is not the Council Tax payer's job to bail out private landlords. Perhaps the council could compulsory purchase these flats, get them done up to a standard fit to live in and bring them under the old council house scheme.
And, BTW, isn't it the fault of the tenants who wish to live in such filth. Get down to Poundland, buy some bleach and clean your filthy closes. At least it would be a start. And no-one asks you to leave unbagged rubbish out the back greens. There is no excuse for squalor these days. None.
all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities.
Of which there seem to be plenty in ET. I agree, it is not the Council Tax payer's job to bail out private landlords. Perhaps the council could compulsory purchase these flats, get them done up to a standard fit to live in and bring them under the old council house scheme.
And, BTW, isn't it the fault of the tenants who wish to live in such filth. Get down to Poundland, buy some bleach and clean your filthy closes. At least it would be a start. And no-one asks you to leave unbagged rubbish out the back greens. There is no excuse for squalor these days. None.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:10pm Mon 25 Aug 08
As home to many in Glasgow`s South Side,are there any Asian slum landlords?
As home to many in Glasgow`s South Side,are there any Asian slum landlords?
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:12pm Mon 25 Aug 08
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them.
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them.
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????
Posted by: hugo, south side on 12:13pm Mon 25 Aug 08
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them.
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them.
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 12:15pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society. There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this [bold]uneducated and unqualified[/bold] talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] AS usual dafty not a comment that has anything to do do with the matter in hand your as bad as purcell jist a wind bag leesome bluey and Stewie Griffin make the kind of comments you take on board and if any the trumpets in the city chambers read them should take them on board as well.SLUM landlords only survive because of the council and there tenants put the tenants under the microscope as well if there are 20 people in 1 house surely there must be some rackey when there all snoring. Syd get your self sorted
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society. There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this uneducated and unqualified talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities. -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
AS usual dafty not a comment that has anything to do do with the matter in hand your as bad as purcell jist a wind bag leesome bluey and Stewie Griffin make the kind of comments you take on board and if any the trumpets in the city chambers read them should take them on board as well.SLUM landlords only survive because of the council and there tenants put the tenants under the microscope as well if there are 20 people in 1 house surely there must be some rackey when there all snoring. Syd get your self sorted
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:17pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] - sureely not [bold]the[/bold] Stewie Griffin formerly of the BBC Fans Forum?
Stewie Griffin - sureely not
the Stewie Griffin formerly of the BBC Fans Forum?
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 12:22pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Griffin, Meriweather and leesome all raise interesting points.
I also agree that bailing out private landlords with public money is preposterous and yes the tenants surely have to do something themselves to improve their situation. Why are they so lazy? What is wrong with these people? Are they sick or something?
If one person fly tipping encourages others to fly tip - that seems to be the case - then can't the same reasoning be applied if one group of tenants cleans their close? The problem here is always going to be the 'free riders' but those who make force others to live in filfth against their will should simply be moved out. And no more crap from Leftists about liberty, if your liberty to do something negatively affects the community and wider public good then this is selfishness!
Griffin is spot on when he says that there is no excuse for squalor these days. If the City Council and citizenry of Glasgow cannot even manage to carry out simple tasks like disposing of their own rubbish and cleaning close then there is no hope for them.
And before some reporbate like Sydney Meriweather comes back with seeing 'the bigger picture' or a point of that ilk, yeah we all know that there is a larger political economy of state craft fused with a 'crisis of crisis management'. The point is that if folk can't deal with the simplest of tasks in everyday life then how can they move forward to deal with more complex issues?
Griffin, Meriweather and leesome all raise interesting points.
I also agree that bailing out private landlords with public money is preposterous and yes the tenants surely have to do something themselves to improve their situation. Why are they so lazy? What is wrong with these people? Are they sick or something?
If one person fly tipping encourages others to fly tip - that seems to be the case - then can't the same reasoning be applied if one group of tenants cleans their close? The problem here is always going to be the 'free riders' but those who make force others to live in filfth against their will should simply be moved out. And no more crap from Leftists about liberty, if your liberty to do something negatively affects the community and wider public good then this is selfishness!
Griffin is spot on when he says that there is no excuse for squalor these days. If the City Council and citizenry of Glasgow cannot even manage to carry out simple tasks like disposing of their own rubbish and cleaning close then there is no hope for them.
And before some reporbate like Sydney Meriweather comes back with seeing 'the bigger picture' or a point of that ilk, yeah we all know that there is a larger political economy of state craft fused with a 'crisis of crisis management'. The point is that if folk can't deal with the simplest of tasks in everyday life then how can they move forward to deal with more complex issues?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 12:32pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fredo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society. There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this [bold]uneducated and unqualified[/bold] talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] AS usual dafty not a comment that has anything to do do with the matter in hand your as bad as purcell jist a wind bag leesome bluey and Stewie Griffin make the kind of comments you take on board and if any the trumpets in the city chambers read them should take them on board as well.SLUM landlords only survive because of the council and there tenants put the tenants under the microscope as well if there are 20 people in 1 house surely there must be some rackey when there all snoring. Syd get your self sorted[/quote] So in your opinion New Labour's disastrous financial and banking policies do not have "anything to do do with the matter in hand"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo: [italic]who ties your shoelaces in the morning[/italic]?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
fredo wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
New Labour's financial and banking policies have directly promoted the wanton greed which has fueled the rapid growth of slum landlords who feed of the poor and vulnerable in society. There is of course not point in trying to explain this to someone like Steven Purcell, as this uneducated and unqualified talking-head would not know where to begin examining a complex, multi-faceted problem... all he is interested in is knee-jerk reactions and poor photo opportunities. -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
AS usual dafty not a comment that has anything to do do with the matter in hand your as bad as purcell jist a wind bag leesome bluey and Stewie Griffin make the kind of comments you take on board and if any the trumpets in the city chambers read them should take them on board as well.SLUM landlords only survive because of the council and there tenants put the tenants under the microscope as well if there are 20 people in 1 house surely there must be some rackey when there all snoring. Syd get your self sorted
So in your opinion New Labour's disastrous financial and banking policies do not have "anything to do do with the matter in hand"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo:
who ties your shoelaces in the morning?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:34pm Mon 25 Aug 08
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc?
A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc?
A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:35pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote]"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo: who ties your shoelaces in the morning?[/quote]
Nobody -he wears slip-ons.
"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo: who ties your shoelaces in the morning?
Nobody -he wears slip-ons.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 12:38pm Mon 25 Aug 08
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?'
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?'
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:42pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
And before some [italic]reporbate[/italic] like Sydney Meriweather comes back with seeing 'the bigger picture' or a point of that ilk...[/quote]
Never one to be pedantic atrocityexhibition - and I can overlook the mis-spelling of my name - but is there any chance that you can have the common decency to asperse me in English?
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
atrocityexhibition wrote:
And before some reporbate like Sydney Meriweather comes back with seeing 'the bigger picture' or a point of that ilk...
Never one to be pedantic atrocityexhibition - and I can overlook the mis-spelling of my name - but is there any chance that you can have the common decency to asperse me in English?
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Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: fredo, paisley on 12:49pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
[quote]"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo: who ties your shoelaces in the morning?[/quote] Nobody -he wears slip-ons.[/quote] STUPID THERE IS NOTHIHG WRONG THAT A COAT OF PAINT WONT SORT AND NICE TENANTS WHATS THE NEED FOR MILLIONS TO HOUSE HALF OF ROMANIA THEY WERE NEVER USED TO IT HENCE THE REASON THE PLACE IS IN SUCH A MESS AND I WEAR HIGH HEELS FOR YOUR INFO JUST LIKE MR PURCELL
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
"... hmmm... I've just one question for you fredo: who ties your shoelaces in the morning?
Nobody -he wears slip-ons.
STUPID THERE IS NOTHIHG WRONG THAT A COAT OF PAINT WONT SORT AND NICE TENANTS WHATS THE NEED FOR MILLIONS TO HOUSE HALF OF ROMANIA THEY WERE NEVER USED TO IT HENCE THE REASON THE PLACE IS IN SUCH A MESS AND I WEAR HIGH HEELS FOR YOUR INFO JUST LIKE MR PURCELL
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 12:50pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Am I the only one to find the ET'S incessant coverage of Govanhill becoming somewhat boring.
Surely there must be some other news of note going on in this city, or are we to be forever burdened with the so called plight of refugees who, if life is so bad, can go back to their homeland any time they want. Why do they stay?
Am I the only one to find the ET'S incessant coverage of Govanhill becoming somewhat boring.
Surely there must be some other news of note going on in this city, or are we to be forever burdened with the so called plight of refugees who, if life is so bad, can go back to their homeland any time they want. Why do they stay?
Posted by: Moanin Minnie, Not here on 12:56pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.[/quote] This to me is the definition of 'Slum Landlords'. The internal features of a property are the responsibility of the owner, the upkeep of common areas are down to the occupiers.
Please corect me if I am wrong.
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
This to me is the definition of 'Slum Landlords'. The internal features of a property are the responsibility of the owner, the upkeep of common areas are down to the occupiers.
Please corect me if I am wrong.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 12:57pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Sydney spelling someone's name wrongly usually gets a response so thanks for that. I thought that someone as esteemed as yourself might already know this.
What or whose voices in Glasgow do you feel that you best represent?
Sydney spelling someone's name wrongly usually gets a response so thanks for that. I thought that someone as esteemed as yourself might already know this.
What or whose voices in Glasgow do you feel that you best represent?
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 1:00pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Trouble is - the council's hand has been forced. Anyone got any other better ideas to solve the problem?? Slapping a compulsory purchase order on these landlords who clearly don't give a hoot is the only way I can see of getting rid of them.....but you've only solved one half of the problem.
The other half isn't so easy - changing the attitudes of the residents who must also take their share of the blame for turning it into a ghetto. And our over-generous welfare state is responsible for giving them the free ride to do it.
The danger is you then build all this lovely new public sector housing for them to come and wreck all over again.
Trouble is - the council's hand has been forced. Anyone got any other better ideas to solve the problem?? Slapping a compulsory purchase order on these landlords who clearly don't give a hoot is the only way I can see of getting rid of them.....but you've only solved one half of the problem.
The other half isn't so easy - changing the attitudes of the residents who must also take their share of the blame for turning it into a ghetto. And our over-generous welfare state is responsible for giving them the free ride to do it.
The danger is you then build all this lovely new public sector housing for them to come and wreck all over again.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:11pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Moanin Minnie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote: There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.[/quote] This to me is the definition of 'Slum Landlords'. The internal features of a property are the responsibility of the owner, the upkeep of common areas are down to the occupiers. Please corect me if I am wrong.[/quote] Helmut's point is valid but a lot of the attention given to the condition of Govanhill relates to areas where tenants can influence it - stairwells, backcourts, bin compounds, front gardens and pavements - which have been plagued by dumped rubbish, grafitti and lack of cleaning.
Areas with transient populations and high numbers of rented out properties like Govanhill mean that its more likely that residents don't always feel it's their neighbourhood, have no kind of investment in the community and lack either awareness or fulfilment of their responsibilities.
When you add this to the owners neglect of the common infrastructure that they are responsible for, and the lack of upkeep of the internal condition of the flats, then you get a neighbourhood whose decline is guaranteed.
Moanin Minnie wrote:
Helmut de Smegma wrote: There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
This to me is the definition of 'Slum Landlords'. The internal features of a property are the responsibility of the owner, the upkeep of common areas are down to the occupiers. Please corect me if I am wrong.
Helmut's point is valid but a lot of the attention given to the condition of Govanhill relates to areas where tenants can influence it - stairwells, backcourts, bin compounds, front gardens and pavements - which have been plagued by dumped rubbish, grafitti and lack of cleaning.
Areas with transient populations and high numbers of rented out properties like Govanhill mean that its more likely that residents don't always feel it's their neighbourhood, have no kind of investment in the community and lack either awareness or fulfilment of their responsibilities.
When you add this to the owners neglect of the common infrastructure that they are responsible for, and the lack of upkeep of the internal condition of the flats, then you get a neighbourhood whose decline is guaranteed.
Posted by: newman, glasgow on 1:11pm Mon 25 Aug 08
There are two main issues about the housing as I see it-
1. Slum landlords
2. The tenants inhabiting the flats.
The first concerns slum landlords, most of them have owned these properties for some considerable time, i.e. decades in some cases. So why hasn't something been done up to now? could it be the flats were not deemed unfit to live in, i.e. of a good standard. If they were of a good standard why are they now in such a state, has it been a lack of running repairs or is it the type of tenants inhabiting the properties? If they were not of a decent standard, why hasn't this been dealt with up to now? Is it because the vast majority of owners are of a certain ethnic origin and the council has been afraid of being labelled racist or it that most of the previous tenants were mainly non ethnic minority tenants?
The second concerns the tenants, as other posters have indicated there were anything up to 20 staying in a flat. This is not the landlords fault, this lies with the tenant renting the property. The vast majority of the tenants are Roma and come from a particular village/town in Slovakia, this is the way they choose to live. They are entitled to social housing but choose not to take it if it is outside this area. As most of the properties in the govanhell area of ground zero are private, the chances of them getting a house where they want are slim, so they choose to live where they live. They also choose to cram as many into a flat as possible as this reduces the cost of rent, electricity, food etc per head of person living in the flat. Also what these articles leave out is that no single person over 18 from abroad is entitled to benefits unless they contribute through tax and NI for 1 year, however it is law that anyone coming into this country with children, must be supplied with a roof over their head, so they get rent and council tax paid, they must receive child benefit and they also get benfits for themselves to live so they can take care of their children. So these inflated rents that are being touted are being paid by the tax and council tax payer.
There are two main issues about the housing as I see it-
1. Slum landlords
2. The tenants inhabiting the flats.
The first concerns slum landlords, most of them have owned these properties for some considerable time, i.e. decades in some cases. So why hasn't something been done up to now? could it be the flats were not deemed unfit to live in, i.e. of a good standard. If they were of a good standard why are they now in such a state, has it been a lack of running repairs or is it the type of tenants inhabiting the properties? If they were not of a decent standard, why hasn't this been dealt with up to now? Is it because the vast majority of owners are of a certain ethnic origin and the council has been afraid of being labelled racist or it that most of the previous tenants were mainly non ethnic minority tenants?
The second concerns the tenants, as other posters have indicated there were anything up to 20 staying in a flat. This is not the landlords fault, this lies with the tenant renting the property. The vast majority of the tenants are Roma and come from a particular village/town in Slovakia, this is the way they choose to live. They are entitled to social housing but choose not to take it if it is outside this area. As most of the properties in the govanhell area of ground zero are private, the chances of them getting a house where they want are slim, so they choose to live where they live. They also choose to cram as many into a flat as possible as this reduces the cost of rent, electricity, food etc per head of person living in the flat. Also what these articles leave out is that no single person over 18 from abroad is entitled to benefits unless they contribute through tax and NI for 1 year, however it is law that anyone coming into this country with children, must be supplied with a roof over their head, so they get rent and council tax paid, they must receive child benefit and they also get benfits for themselves to live so they can take care of their children. So these inflated rents that are being touted are being paid by the tax and council tax payer.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 1:23pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Aye so even if Britain is behind in immigrant numbers compared with say its European cousins it doesn't change the fact that areas like Govanhill are 'welfare dependant ghettos'. This is enabled by the local state as always. How much further can the public purse be squeezed? Oh Sydney do tell us?
And as for Newman's point about the immigrants:
The vast majority of the tenants are Roma and come from a particular village/town in Slovakia, this is the way they choose to live.
I accept this but what right does anyone have to move into an area and make the lives of others (including members of their own culture) a living nightmare? There are limits to liberty you know and bams like Sydney M. will be well aware of this.
Aye so even if Britain is behind in immigrant numbers compared with say its European cousins it doesn't change the fact that areas like Govanhill are 'welfare dependant ghettos'. This is enabled by the local state as always. How much further can the public purse be squeezed? Oh Sydney do tell us?
And as for Newman's point about the immigrants:
The vast majority of the tenants are Roma and come from a particular village/town in Slovakia, this is the way they choose to live.
I accept this but what right does anyone have to move into an area and make the lives of others (including members of their own culture) a living nightmare? There are limits to liberty you know and bams like Sydney M. will be well aware of this.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 1:24pm Mon 25 Aug 08
The council can make compulsory repairs and enforce payment by the owners - so how many times have they done this in Govanhill? None to my knowledge but feel free to correct me.
The council can issue rent penalty notices for unregistered landlords (in other words, they order the tenants to stop paying the rent) or prosecute landlords for not complying with the private landlord registration scheme. To my knowledge, the council have not prosecuted any landlords to date or issued any Rent Penalty Notices in Govanhill.
The council can issue court orders to close unfit properties if the landlord doesn't comply with the order to bring it up to a habitable standard. To my knowledge, they've closed 1 property in Govanhill under this legislation.
The council doesn't need more powers until it can demonstrate using the existing ones it has effectively. That's 749 remaining properties that could have benefitted from a bit more intervention.
The council can make compulsory repairs and enforce payment by the owners - so how many times have they done this in Govanhill? None to my knowledge but feel free to correct me.
The council can issue rent penalty notices for unregistered landlords (in other words, they order the tenants to stop paying the rent) or prosecute landlords for not complying with the private landlord registration scheme. To my knowledge, the council have not prosecuted any landlords to date or issued any Rent Penalty Notices in Govanhill.
The council can issue court orders to close unfit properties if the landlord doesn't comply with the order to bring it up to a habitable standard. To my knowledge, they've closed 1 property in Govanhill under this legislation.
The council doesn't need more powers until it can demonstrate using the existing ones it has effectively. That's 749 remaining properties that could have benefitted from a bit more intervention.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 1:44pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.[/quote] YOU ARE A HELMUT THERE"S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EXTERNAL INFASTRUCTURE DAFTY IT THE TRAMPS THAT ARE ARE THE INTERNAL INFRASTRUTURE THAT IS THE PROBLEM.DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE LAST TIME THESE PROPERTIES WERE RENOVATED?????BECAUS
E IT HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY RENOVATE THEN PUT THE SAMEMONGRELS BACK INTO THEM AND HEY PRESTO YOUR BACK TO SQUARE ONE THERE"S PLENTY MORE PLACES THAT DESERVE ATTENTION BEFORE THESE PEOPLE THAT CRAP IN THERE OWN BACK YARDS WHERES THE HOUSING INSPECTORS???THAT VALIDATE THERE CLAIMS FOR BENIFIT SITTING ON THE BIG COMFY SEAT KNITTING TIME FOR CHANGE AND AS FOR YOU Helmut de Smegma YOUR NOTHING BUT SYDNEY LOVER GET YOUR OWN PATTER YA CLOWN
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc? A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
YOU ARE A HELMUT THERE"S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EXTERNAL INFASTRUCTURE DAFTY IT THE TRAMPS THAT ARE ARE THE INTERNAL INFRASTRUTURE THAT IS THE PROBLEM.DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE LAST TIME THESE PROPERTIES WERE RENOVATED?????BECAUS
E IT HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY RENOVATE THEN PUT THE SAMEMONGRELS BACK INTO THEM AND HEY PRESTO YOUR BACK TO SQUARE ONE THERE"S PLENTY MORE PLACES THAT DESERVE ATTENTION BEFORE THESE PEOPLE THAT CRAP IN THERE OWN BACK YARDS WHERES THE HOUSING INSPECTORS???THAT VALIDATE THERE CLAIMS FOR BENIFIT SITTING ON THE BIG COMFY SEAT KNITTING TIME FOR CHANGE AND AS FOR YOU Helmut de Smegma YOUR NOTHING BUT SYDNEY LOVER GET YOUR OWN PATTER YA CLOWN
Posted by: Snidey Muddywatter, West Coast on 1:49pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?' [/quote] Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.
atrocityexhibition wrote:
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?'
Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 1:51pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one.
Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 2:01pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one. [/quote] THANKS CLOWN,,,,,,RENOVATE THE HOUSES AND THERE WILL BE 40 TO A HOUSE THERE COUSINS UNCLE,S AND AUNTIES WILL COME TO FOR A NICE CLEAN CLOSE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SAME STANDARD AS IT WAS BEFORE.THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRIPPING THE SCRAP OUT THESE HOUSES BURN THE LOT OF THEM
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one.
THANKS CLOWN,,,,,,RENOVATE THE HOUSES AND THERE WILL BE 40 TO A HOUSE THERE COUSINS UNCLE,S AND AUNTIES WILL COME TO FOR A NICE CLEAN CLOSE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SAME STANDARD AS IT WAS BEFORE.THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRIPPING THE SCRAP OUT THESE HOUSES BURN THE LOT OF THEM
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 2:03pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] - sureely not [bold]the[/bold] Stewie Griffin formerly of the BBC Fans Forum?[/quote] What?? Two of Us? How very dare he!
[quote]There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc?
A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.[/quote]
Fair enough. But it does go some way to making life a bit more pleasant rather than the stench of pish hitting you as soon as you enter some of these places.
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
Stewie Griffin - sureely not the Stewie Griffin formerly of the BBC Fans Forum?
What?? Two of Us? How very dare he!
There`s more to squalor than merely bleaching your close and bagging your rubbish.What about the internal and external infrastructure of the properties? - dampness,rodent infestation,rotting windows and wood,not being watertight etc.etc?
A bottle of bleach and a binbag will not eradicate squalor.
Fair enough. But it does go some way to making life a bit more pleasant rather than the stench of pish hitting you as soon as you enter some of these places.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:08pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Huns like 'fredo' do forsee potential future problems but does he wish to burn the houses with the people inside?
Huns like 'fredo' do forsee potential future problems but does he wish to burn the houses with the people inside?
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 2:08pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Can`t a brothel be formed to make the property self-funding?
Can`t a brothel be formed to make the property self-funding?
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 2:11pm Mon 25 Aug 08
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
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It is because the people you mention (20-odd in a 2 bad flat) are often here illegally (eg the Roma gypsies living in south side) and are thus not entitled to social housing.
Be careful which questions you ask, in trying to solve one problem, it is easy to highlight other areas of deficiency / system failings.
It should be noted that one of the main reasons for these "slums" is how the residents themselves live - i.e. like animals.
Glaswegians generally are filthy, disgusting creatures - I cant think of another City with a litter problem even close to ours - but some of the "slum" pictures I have seen really take the biscuit.
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ???
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It is because the people you mention (20-odd in a 2 bad flat) are often here illegally (eg the Roma gypsies living in south side) and are thus not entitled to social housing.
Be careful which questions you ask, in trying to solve one problem, it is easy to highlight other areas of deficiency / system failings.
It should be noted that one of the main reasons for these "slums" is how the residents themselves live - i.e. like animals.
Glaswegians generally are filthy, disgusting creatures - I cant think of another City with a litter problem even close to ours - but some of the "slum" pictures I have seen really take the biscuit.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:16pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
Can`t a brothel be formed to make the property self-funding?[/quote] Even this wouldn't do much for the problems in Govanhill aka. NEDville central. The area is now so far gone and people seem neck deep misery and depression.
But maybe swamp donkeys like Helmut de Smegma would like to join the ranks of their proposed brothels and contribute through being part of a larger solution package.
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
Can`t a brothel be formed to make the property self-funding?
Even this wouldn't do much for the problems in Govanhill aka. NEDville central. The area is now so far gone and people seem neck deep misery and depression.
But maybe swamp donkeys like Helmut de Smegma would like to join the ranks of their proposed brothels and contribute through being part of a larger solution package.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:17pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Sydney - stoopid comment you made, blaming New Labour!.. I think you will find that it was THATCHER who passed laws allowing council housing stock to be sold to potential buyers. somehow or other, the rogue landlords moved in to make a fast buck, and now we're paying for this greed! I'm all for laws that pass these houses back to control of the local councils. Compulsory purchase orders should be set so that the landlord received no more than £1.00 for the property, and then receive a seperate bill for the cleaning and renovating of the properties they have allowed to decay! I would also like to see the government empower the courts to penalising those landlords by making them pay back every penny of rent they have taken from their tenants since their first day of occupancy. As an example, let's say that a Polish family came here in 2004, and the landlord did not declare the income from them since that time, they should be forced to pay the tenant back full rent dating back to then. So, if the rent had been £400 per month since June 2004 (50 months), the courts could force the landlord to forfeit £20,000 to the tenant. That should make them mend their ways!!
Sydney - stoopid comment you made, blaming New Labour!.. I think you will find that it was THATCHER who passed laws allowing council housing stock to be sold to potential buyers. somehow or other, the rogue landlords moved in to make a fast buck, and now we're paying for this greed! I'm all for laws that pass these houses back to control of the local councils. Compulsory purchase orders should be set so that the landlord received no more than £1.00 for the property, and then receive a seperate bill for the cleaning and renovating of the properties they have allowed to decay! I would also like to see the government empower the courts to penalising those landlords by making them pay back every penny of rent they have taken from their tenants since their first day of occupancy. As an example, let's say that a Polish family came here in 2004, and the landlord did not declare the income from them since that time, they should be forced to pay the tenant back full rent dating back to then. So, if the rent had been £400 per month since June 2004 (50 months), the courts could force the landlord to forfeit £20,000 to the tenant. That should make them mend their ways!!
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 2:20pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Will there be off-site car parking for the brothel I propose?
Will there be off-site car parking for the brothel I propose?
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 2:25pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ??? ---------- It is because the people you mention (20-odd in a 2 bad flat) are often here illegally (eg the Roma gypsies living in south side) and are thus not entitled to social housing. Be careful which questions you ask, in trying to solve one problem, it is easy to highlight other areas of deficiency / system failings. It should be noted that one of the main reasons for these "slums" is how the residents themselves live - i.e. like animals. Glaswegians generally are filthy, disgusting creatures - I cant think of another City with a litter problem even close to ours - but some of the "slum" pictures I have seen really take the biscuit. [/quote] Slovakians are A8 nationals who are entitled to apply for social housing and who are entitled to live in the UK.
GAW wrote:
We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ??? ---------- It is because the people you mention (20-odd in a 2 bad flat) are often here illegally (eg the Roma gypsies living in south side) and are thus not entitled to social housing. Be careful which questions you ask, in trying to solve one problem, it is easy to highlight other areas of deficiency / system failings. It should be noted that one of the main reasons for these "slums" is how the residents themselves live - i.e. like animals. Glaswegians generally are filthy, disgusting creatures - I cant think of another City with a litter problem even close to ours - but some of the "slum" pictures I have seen really take the biscuit.
Slovakians are A8 nationals who are entitled to apply for social housing and who are entitled to live in the UK.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 2:28pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
Will there be off-site car parking for the brothel I propose?[/quote] DIDN"T KNOW YOUR WIFE HAD A CAR THERE PROBABLY ALREADY IS BROTH POTS THERE YA CLOWN
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
Will there be off-site car parking for the brothel I propose?
DIDN"T KNOW YOUR WIFE HAD A CAR THERE PROBABLY ALREADY IS BROTH POTS THERE YA CLOWN
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 2:35pm Mon 25 Aug 08
The council would not need new laws to tackle the slum conditions if they'd have discharged their obligations over the last few decades and stopped the degradation of the area by rogue landlords and slum tenants in the first place.
The council would not need new laws to tackle the slum conditions if they'd have discharged their obligations over the last few decades and stopped the degradation of the area by rogue landlords and slum tenants in the first place.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:36pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 2:42pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems? [/quote] I DONT VOTE NEW LABOUR AM A TOMMY SHERIDAN FAN
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
I DONT VOTE NEW LABOUR AM A TOMMY SHERIDAN FAN
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:43pm Mon 25 Aug 08
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 2:50pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems? [/quote] It's not crying over spilt milk, it's learning lessons to ensure when the area is regenerated, it doesn't start deteriorating once again.
What's the point of having a mini initiativbe without looking at the wider picture and the origin of the problems (rogue landlords, exploited tenants and the local council's not using their housing powers) are ignored and only the symptoms are dealt with in a temporary way.
The council are blaming lack of legislation for the condition of hundreds of properties in Govanhill when they've not utilised effective ones that they already have!
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
It's not crying over spilt milk, it's learning lessons to ensure when the area is regenerated, it doesn't start deteriorating once again.
What's the point of having a mini initiativbe without looking at the wider picture and the origin of the problems (rogue landlords, exploited tenants and the local council's not using their housing powers) are ignored and only the symptoms are dealt with in a temporary way.
The council are blaming lack of legislation for the condition of hundreds of properties in Govanhill when they've not utilised effective ones that they already have!
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:55pm Mon 25 Aug 08
sure bluey nice point but there are more than enough PANs, Green and White Papers and policy documents under New Labour so can we really point to a lack of legislation?
I do agree though that often the symptoms rather than the problems are dealt with.
sure bluey nice point but there are more than enough PANs, Green and White Papers and policy documents under New Labour so can we really point to a lack of legislation?
I do agree though that often the symptoms rather than the problems are dealt with.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:03pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Snidey Muddywatter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?' [/quote] Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.[/quote] Sir, your humour knows no bounds!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
Snidey Muddywatter wrote:
atrocityexhibition wrote:
I am convinced that S. Meriweather is an insider for Glasgow City Council. Perhaps him and Purcell are 'two cheeks of the same back side?'
Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.
Sir, your humour knows no bounds!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: fredo, paisley on 3:05pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fredo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote: Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one. [/quote] THANKS CLOWN,,,,,,RENOVATE THE HOUSES AND THERE WILL BE 40 TO A HOUSE THERE COUSINS UNCLE,S AND AUNTIES WILL COME TO FOR A NICE CLEAN CLOSE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SAME STANDARD AS IT WAS BEFORE.THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRIPPING THE SCRAP OUT THESE HOUSES BURN THE LOT OF THEM[/quote] atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:43pm today
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron..........READ WHAT I SAID MORON THERE IS NO MENTION OF BURNING IMMIGRANTS DONT READ INTO TO SOMETHING THEN ADD YOUR OWN PISH INTO IT YA CLOWN
fredo wrote:
atrocityexhibition wrote: Bams like 'fredo' make a good point that social problems cannot be solved be physical solutions alone. If a property is renovated only to have the same scum move back in then yes it's back to square one.
THANKS CLOWN,,,,,,RENOVATE THE HOUSES AND THERE WILL BE 40 TO A HOUSE THERE COUSINS UNCLE,S AND AUNTIES WILL COME TO FOR A NICE CLEAN CLOSE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SAME STANDARD AS IT WAS BEFORE.THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRIPPING THE SCRAP OUT THESE HOUSES BURN THE LOT OF THEM
atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:43pm today
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron
'bout right and am sure Tommy S would love to hear about you wanting to burn immigrants inside their homes ya moron..........READ WHAT I SAID MORON THERE IS NO MENTION OF BURNING IMMIGRANTS DONT READ INTO TO SOMETHING THEN ADD YOUR OWN PISH INTO IT YA CLOWN
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:12pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems? [/quote] Atrocityexhibition, if you call me one more name you can be sure that you will feel the rapier-like edge of my dry wit... you have been warned!
BTW fredo you're a dobber!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic]
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
Atrocityexhibition, if you call me one more name you can be sure that you will feel the rapier-like edge of my dry wit... you have been warned!
BTW fredo you're a dobber!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority." Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 3:21pm Mon 25 Aug 08
appalling that in one of the richest economies in the world we have people living in slums and sink estates as broon and his comrades have squandered this nations wealth and the wealth of the next generation,but he can find 500 million to give pakistan for their religous schools and 820 million for india both who squander money on nuclear weapons and the endless billions given to the corrupt leaders of african states
appalling that in one of the richest economies in the world we have people living in slums and sink estates as broon and his comrades have squandered this nations wealth and the wealth of the next generation,but he can find 500 million to give pakistan for their religous schools and 820 million for india both who squander money on nuclear weapons and the endless billions given to the corrupt leaders of african states
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 3:28pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote: Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems? [/quote] Atrocityexhibition, if you call me one more name you can be sure that you will feel the rapier-like edge of my dry wit... you have been warned! BTW fredo you're a dobber! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."[/italic] [/quote] A WISH YOU WOULD MAKE DECENT COMMENTS YA OLD DOBBER Sydney MeriwetherAND AS FOR MRS atrocityexhibition SHE,S JUST AS BAD MOVE ON PEOPLE
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
atrocityexhibition wrote: Asking how the situation got so bad is not as crucial as solving it, why cry over spilled milk? It is unfortunate that New Labour has to deal with the social problems of the Thatcher and Major administrations but would peckerwoods like Sydney Meriwether and jakes including fredo not admit that Blair **** Brown have done as much to exacerbate these problems?
Atrocityexhibition, if you call me one more name you can be sure that you will feel the rapier-like edge of my dry wit... you have been warned! BTW fredo you're a dobber! -- Sydney Meriwether "The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority."
A WISH YOU WOULD MAKE DECENT COMMENTS YA OLD DOBBER Sydney MeriwetherAND AS FOR MRS atrocityexhibition SHE,S JUST AS BAD MOVE ON PEOPLE
Posted by: iscozzese, Glasgow on 3:43pm Mon 25 Aug 08
It's a disgrace for the landolords and the tennants. Some of the Councillors are involved in this scum, see the news in this same paper few weeks ago. As long the Council doesn't spend public money (our money) to resolves "private landlords" issues as happend before in other occasions.
It's a disgrace for the landolords and the tennants. Some of the Councillors are involved in this scum, see the news in this same paper few weeks ago. As long the Council doesn't spend public money (our money) to resolves "private landlords" issues as happend before in other occasions.
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 4:37pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote]Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.[/quote] Maybe Syd is putting his thing between Stephen's cheeks.
Judging by his posts I'd say Sydney bears more resemblance to the wee round thing between the two cheeks.
Maybe Syd is putting his thing between Stephen's cheeks.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 4:40pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well?
And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more?
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well?
And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more?
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 4:44pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more? [/quote] Handbags at the ready..............
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more?
Handbags at the ready..............
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 4:59pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more? [/quote] AM A JAKEY MY MY THATS FRESH COMING FROM THE CLOWN PRINCESS AVE TOLD YOU TO READ THE COMMENT PROPERLY I NEVER SAIDANYTHING ABOUT BURNING THE WORLD I SAID BURN THE LOT OF THEM MEANING THE BUILDINGS ,,,,STUPID,,,,GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT OR ELSE
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more?
AM A JAKEY MY MY THATS FRESH COMING FROM THE CLOWN PRINCESS AVE TOLD YOU TO READ THE COMMENT PROPERLY I NEVER SAIDANYTHING ABOUT BURNING THE WORLD I SAID BURN THE LOT OF THEM MEANING THE BUILDINGS ,,,,STUPID,,,,GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT OR ELSE
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 5:56pm Mon 25 Aug 08
most of the stories about this are actually in crosshill not govanhill.
easy/cheaper answer would be to remove the approximate twenty or so nice families out and leave the rest of the rubbish to their own devices
most of the stories about this are actually in crosshill not govanhill.
easy/cheaper answer would be to remove the approximate twenty or so nice families out and leave the rest of the rubbish to their own devices
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 6:55pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote] Mr Purcell, who visited the area last week,[/quote] said "This reminds me of growing up in Langholm Street.Same benefit scrounging b'stards,different accent".
Mr Purcell, who visited the area last week,
said "This reminds me of growing up in Langholm Street.Same benefit scrounging b'stards,different accent".
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 7:52pm Mon 25 Aug 08
WELL GET YOUR ARS8 IN TO GEAR AND POUND THE STREETS WAE YOUR SANDWICH BOARD AND GET THAT **** PURCELL HIS JOTTERS A KNOW HE LIKES THE HOLE BETWEEN HIS CHEEKS GETTIN BLOOTERED
WELL GET YOUR ARS8 IN TO GEAR AND POUND THE STREETS WAE YOUR SANDWICH BOARD AND GET THAT **** PURCELL HIS JOTTERS A KNOW HE LIKES THE HOLE BETWEEN HIS CHEEKS GETTIN BLOOTERED
Posted by: hugo, south side on 7:53pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fredo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more? [/quote] AM A JAKEY MY MY THATS FRESH COMING FROM THE CLOWN PRINCESS AVE TOLD YOU TO READ THE COMMENT PROPERLY I NEVER SAIDANYTHING ABOUT BURNING THE WORLD I SAID BURN THE LOT OF THEM MEANING THE BUILDINGS ,,,,STUPID,,,,GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT OR ELSE[/quote] fredo i noticed that you have been posting all afternoon, surely now that school holidays are finished you should be in your primary 3 class ????
fredo wrote:
atrocityexhibition wrote:
Face it fredo you're a full scale jake head mate and everyone on here knows it. Do you want to burn the world as well? And as for Meriwether the knuckle dragging snag rash from skin town well need I say more?
AM A JAKEY MY MY THATS FRESH COMING FROM THE CLOWN PRINCESS AVE TOLD YOU TO READ THE COMMENT PROPERLY I NEVER SAIDANYTHING ABOUT BURNING THE WORLD I SAID BURN THE LOT OF THEM MEANING THE BUILDINGS ,,,,STUPID,,,,GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT OR ELSE
fredo i noticed that you have been posting all afternoon, surely now that school holidays are finished you should be in your primary 3 class ????
Posted by: cucumber, Glasgow on 7:53pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]albertz78[/bold] wrote:
[quote] Mr Purcell, who visited the area last week,[/quote] said "This reminds me of growing up in Langholm Street.Same benefit scrounging b'stards,different accent".[/quote] Langy! Now obviously known as Spiershall.
Why don't we just go with the same solution there, and just rename the place?
Suggestions for the new name for Govanhill, anyone?
albertz78 wrote:
Mr Purcell, who visited the area last week,
said "This reminds me of growing up in Langholm Street.Same benefit scrounging b'stards,different accent".
Langy! Now obviously known as Spiershall.
Why don't we just go with the same solution there, and just rename the place?
Suggestions for the new name for Govanhill, anyone?
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 8:17pm Mon 25 Aug 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them. We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ??? Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????[/quote] HUGO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING TO WRITE THAT DOESN,T STATE THE OBVIOUS OR ELSE GOT TO YOUR BAW BAWS
hugo wrote:
For slum landlords to survive there needs to be a market for their property, otherwise they would be unable to rent them. We as a society need to ask, why is it that 20 people are willing to stay in a 2 bed private rented property, rather than take a social rented property from the likes of GHA and other social landlords ??? Surely this crisis, and it is a crisis, says as much about social rented housing as it does about private landlords ????
HUGO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING TO WRITE THAT DOESN,T STATE THE OBVIOUS OR ELSE GOT TO YOUR BAW BAWS
Posted by: underover, govanhill on 8:52pm Mon 25 Aug 08
its not just that the roma are dirty buggers who don't know how to use a bin, can put a baby's cot inches from a swarm of cockroaches (as reported in an earlier ET report) and are stupid enough not to move it,don't put their children into school and have them running wild in the streets,think nothing of squeezing 20 into a very small flat.its also the general anti social activities in the street especially the bleeding singing and shouting at the TOP OF THEIR VOICES all day and all night. i mean for f sake we dont need that all day long. please can we have some peace and quiet
its not just that the roma are dirty buggers who don't know how to use a bin, can put a baby's cot inches from a swarm of cockroaches (as reported in an earlier ET report) and are stupid enough not to move it,don't put their children into school and have them running wild in the streets,think nothing of squeezing 20 into a very small flat.its also the general anti social activities in the street especially the bleeding singing and shouting at the TOP OF THEIR VOICES all day and all night. i mean for f sake we dont need that all day long. please can we have some peace and quiet
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 8:58pm Mon 25 Aug 08
cucumber, Glasgow on 7:53pm today.
call it ROMAHILL or KEEPOUTHILL.
blackhill is already taken
cucumber, Glasgow on 7:53pm today.
call it ROMAHILL or KEEPOUTHILL.
blackhill is already taken
Posted by: brianscottie43, Toronto, Canada on 9:20pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Sounds as if the hole is dug so deep there is no way to get out other than what was done in the 50's and 60's when the Gorbals were regarded as some of the world's worst slums. Build new slums to be, such as Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Arden etc., Move the southsiders into them, demolish the southside then build more slums to be. Keep doing this until the whole process finally disappears up its own a------e.
Sounds as if the hole is dug so deep there is no way to get out other than what was done in the 50's and 60's when the Gorbals were regarded as some of the world's worst slums. Build new slums to be, such as Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Arden etc., Move the southsiders into them, demolish the southside then build more slums to be. Keep doing this until the whole process finally disappears up its own a------e.
Posted by: annie, Glasgow on 11:15pm Mon 25 Aug 08
Govanhill's problems are not only caused by slum landlords and immigrants. Lots of flats in the area were not renovated in the 70s and 80s because the city council was forced to put money into Glasgow's peripheral estates to feed the new breed of housing associations springing up. Ofcourse, the Council was not entirely innocent here because these new housing associations were taking over the Council's own housing stock which the Council itself could not afford to renovate. These stock transfers then accessed non housing revenue grants for what was essentially Council housing. The result was that the inner-city refurbishment programme ground to a halt and the result is the Govanhill we all see today.
Govanhill's problems are not only caused by slum landlords and immigrants. Lots of flats in the area were not renovated in the 70s and 80s because the city council was forced to put money into Glasgow's peripheral estates to feed the new breed of housing associations springing up. Ofcourse, the Council was not entirely innocent here because these new housing associations were taking over the Council's own housing stock which the Council itself could not afford to renovate. These stock transfers then accessed non housing revenue grants for what was essentially Council housing. The result was that the inner-city refurbishment programme ground to a halt and the result is the Govanhill we all see today.
Posted by: fedupwithmoans, glasgow on 12:21am Tue 26 Aug 08
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here.
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here.
Posted by: Govanhill Resident, Govanhill on 1:17am Tue 26 Aug 08
Well, this is the first time I've read the online postings re Govanhill and its multiple problems yet I am compelled to comment on the "debate". As much as I appreciate the input from those outwith the area who feel outrage/anger/sympat
hy/empathy?? I can not help feeling dismayed at the constant negativity being displayed. I live right in the midst of Govanhill and experience firsthand a great deal
of the reported problems and also many more that aren't covered. Constantly going backwards and forwards allocating blame as to how this situation arose and whose fault it is, although makes interesting reading, is not constructive and helpful. Instead why not try looking forward? Agreed some proposed policies need to be treated with skepticism but lets help find and make these solutions viable. For those posting who live in the area I hope your passion for the subject and your obvious concern for your neighbourhood has already driven you towards purposeful action. Did you sign the petition and/or write a letter of objection regarding the proposed opening of yet another bookmakers on the corner of Allison St/Langside Rd? Are you involved in any of the local community groups comprising concerned residents who want to help reshape their community for the better? By this I mean gardening initiatives, cleanups, monitoring closes and directing associated agencies to areas in urgent need of attention. Do you constantly report to the council and police any anti-social behavior you witness or experience in order to eventually enforce action? I understand that it is easier to be resigned to the state of the area because it has been neglected for so long but at some point we have to take responsibility ourselves and say enough is enough - lets do something together and rebuild our community.
Well, this is the first time I've read the online postings re Govanhill and its multiple problems yet I am compelled to comment on the "debate". As much as I appreciate the input from those outwith the area who feel outrage/anger/sympat
hy/empathy?? I can not help feeling dismayed at the constant negativity being displayed. I live right in the midst of Govanhill and experience firsthand a great deal
of the reported problems and also many more that aren't covered. Constantly going backwards and forwards allocating blame as to how this situation arose and whose fault it is, although makes interesting reading, is not constructive and helpful. Instead why not try looking forward? Agreed some proposed policies need to be treated with skepticism but lets help find and make these solutions viable. For those posting who live in the area I hope your passion for the subject and your obvious concern for your neighbourhood has already driven you towards purposeful action. Did you sign the petition and/or write a letter of objection regarding the proposed opening of yet another bookmakers on the corner of Allison St/Langside Rd? Are you involved in any of the local community groups comprising concerned residents who want to help reshape their community for the better? By this I mean gardening initiatives, cleanups, monitoring closes and directing associated agencies to areas in urgent need of attention. Do you constantly report to the council and police any anti-social behavior you witness or experience in order to eventually enforce action? I understand that it is easier to be resigned to the state of the area because it has been neglected for so long but at some point we have to take responsibility ourselves and say enough is enough - lets do something together and rebuild our community.
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 1:58am Tue 26 Aug 08
Karma ...
What goes around , etc,etc ...
Karma ...
What goes around , etc,etc ...
Posted by: roor06, glasgow on 2:17am Tue 26 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans[/bold] wrote:
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here. [/quote] takes away ...
Lucky for you ...
Can u oblige ...
Enjoy ....
Oh my God - What a mess ...
fedupwithmoans wrote:
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here.
takes away ...
Lucky for you ...
Can u oblige ...
Enjoy ....
Oh my God - What a mess ...
Posted by: Dave Holladay, Glasgow on 4:55am Tue 26 Aug 08
Bluey writes about the nub of the problem. We have an owner who collects rent in cash, is tardy with any repairs, we suspect is uninsured (his flat has deficiencies in plumbing which have flooded the flats below 8 times in 5 years) the Landlord registration unit have no permanent UK address or details (although they managed to 'meet' and interview the rent collector the other month). This flat brings down the rest of the close and others are reluctant to spend money and carry the share which this owner never pays. Another flat has been empty for 6 years - the owner won't sell or act to get the place done up, although they do pay their share for any work.
Take a look around and I reckon that around 10% of the older property in Glasgow is empty and possibly unuseable because owners are deliberately or by default doing nothing. Another chunk is rented out by owners who do as little as possible to maximise their income at minimum cost.
As for the rubbish reflect on the fact that we all got blue wheeled bins dumped on our lanes and back courts no one checked that we wanted them or had places to put them - some even had to be collected back from where the existing collection rounds could not collect green wheeled bins, and some parts of glasgow are still collecting bare plastic sacks left at the kerb overnight, and a target for feral animals and impact from passing vehicles when the wind blows them into the street.
A lot of the problems can be solved if the storage and collection of rubbish was better managed, and the enforcement of legislation such as production of documentation like insurance policies was followed through.
It strikes me that with all the feedback here going begging there is a role for ET to develop its stories further by collating reports from around Glasgow on long term empty property, old and less hygienic refuse collection arrangements still in place, and the other one to fire up anyone suffering from recent flooding, the drain grids which have been full with silt for so long that grass is growing up between the bars.
Bluey writes about the nub of the problem. We have an owner who collects rent in cash, is tardy with any repairs, we suspect is uninsured (his flat has deficiencies in plumbing which have flooded the flats below 8 times in 5 years) the Landlord registration unit have no permanent UK address or details (although they managed to 'meet' and interview the rent collector the other month). This flat brings down the rest of the close and others are reluctant to spend money and carry the share which this owner never pays. Another flat has been empty for 6 years - the owner won't sell or act to get the place done up, although they do pay their share for any work.
Take a look around and I reckon that around 10% of the older property in Glasgow is empty and possibly unuseable because owners are deliberately or by default doing nothing. Another chunk is rented out by owners who do as little as possible to maximise their income at minimum cost.
As for the rubbish reflect on the fact that we all got blue wheeled bins dumped on our lanes and back courts no one checked that we wanted them or had places to put them - some even had to be collected back from where the existing collection rounds could not collect green wheeled bins, and some parts of glasgow are still collecting bare plastic sacks left at the kerb overnight, and a target for feral animals and impact from passing vehicles when the wind blows them into the street.
A lot of the problems can be solved if the storage and collection of rubbish was better managed, and the enforcement of legislation such as production of documentation like insurance policies was followed through.
It strikes me that with all the feedback here going begging there is a role for ET to develop its stories further by collating reports from around Glasgow on long term empty property, old and less hygienic refuse collection arrangements still in place, and the other one to fire up anyone suffering from recent flooding, the drain grids which have been full with silt for so long that grass is growing up between the bars.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 10:21am Tue 26 Aug 08
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans[/bold] wrote:
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here. [/quote] Totally agree. Just ignore them...there are people here who just enjoy belittling and rubbishing things for the sheer hell of it.
If the Government started selling £10 notes for a fiver they'd still be moaning.
fedupwithmoans wrote:
I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here.
Totally agree. Just ignore them...there are people here who just enjoy belittling and rubbishing things for the sheer hell of it.
If the Government started selling £10 notes for a fiver they'd still be moaning.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 7:53pm Tue 26 Aug 08
[quote][bold]RapidAssistant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fedupwithmoans[/bold] wrote: I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here. [/quote] Totally agree. Just ignore them...there are people here who just enjoy belittling and rubbishing things for the sheer hell of it. If the Government started selling £10 notes for a fiver they'd still be moaning.[/quote] of course we would still be moaning we get £20.00 notes for a fiver
RapidAssistant wrote:
fedupwithmoans wrote: I wrote in to this subject the other day because I felt quite strongly about it. I do not come from Glasgow but I live here and I do enjoy living here but I think some of the comments here are from people who do this as a hobby. As said I enjoy living here and reading some of the comments takes away from what I think about people who do live here.
Totally agree. Just ignore them...there are people here who just enjoy belittling and rubbishing things for the sheer hell of it. If the Government started selling £10 notes for a fiver they'd still be moaning.
of course we would still be moaning we get £20.00 notes for a fiver
Posted by: Stereotypical Glaswegian, Glasgow on 2:36pm Wed 27 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Dave Holladay[/bold] wrote:
Bluey writes about the nub of the problem. We have an owner who collects rent in cash, is tardy with any repairs, we suspect is uninsured (his flat has deficiencies in plumbing which have flooded the flats below 8 times in 5 years) the Landlord registration unit have no permanent UK address or details (although they managed to 'meet' and interview the rent collector the other month). This flat brings down the rest of the close and others are reluctant to spend money and carry the share which this owner never pays. Another flat has been empty for 6 years - the owner won't sell or act to get the place done up, although they do pay their share for any work.
Take a look around and I reckon that around 10% of the older property in Glasgow is empty and possibly unuseable because owners are deliberately or by default doing nothing. Another chunk is rented out by owners who do as little as possible to maximise their income at minimum cost.
As for the rubbish reflect on the fact that we all got blue wheeled bins dumped on our lanes and back courts no one checked that we wanted them or had places to put them - some even had to be collected back from where the existing collection rounds could not collect green wheeled bins, and some parts of glasgow are still collecting bare plastic sacks left at the kerb overnight, and a target for feral animals and impact from passing vehicles when the wind blows them into the street.
A lot of the problems can be solved if the storage and collection of rubbish was better managed, and the enforcement of legislation such as production of documentation like insurance policies was followed through.
It strikes me that with all the feedback here going begging there is a role for ET to develop its stories further by collating reports from around Glasgow on long term empty property, old and less hygienic refuse collection arrangements still in place, and the other one to fire up anyone suffering from recent flooding, the drain grids which have been full with silt for so long that grass is growing up between the bars.[/quote] [bold]Are you reading this Mr Online Editor?[/bold]
Dave Holladay wrote:
Bluey writes about the nub of the problem. We have an owner who collects rent in cash, is tardy with any repairs, we suspect is uninsured (his flat has deficiencies in plumbing which have flooded the flats below 8 times in 5 years) the Landlord registration unit have no permanent UK address or details (although they managed to 'meet' and interview the rent collector the other month). This flat brings down the rest of the close and others are reluctant to spend money and carry the share which this owner never pays. Another flat has been empty for 6 years - the owner won't sell or act to get the place done up, although they do pay their share for any work.
Take a look around and I reckon that around 10% of the older property in Glasgow is empty and possibly unuseable because owners are deliberately or by default doing nothing. Another chunk is rented out by owners who do as little as possible to maximise their income at minimum cost.
As for the rubbish reflect on the fact that we all got blue wheeled bins dumped on our lanes and back courts no one checked that we wanted them or had places to put them - some even had to be collected back from where the existing collection rounds could not collect green wheeled bins, and some parts of glasgow are still collecting bare plastic sacks left at the kerb overnight, and a target for feral animals and impact from passing vehicles when the wind blows them into the street.
A lot of the problems can be solved if the storage and collection of rubbish was better managed, and the enforcement of legislation such as production of documentation like insurance policies was followed through.
It strikes me that with all the feedback here going begging there is a role for ET to develop its stories further by collating reports from around Glasgow on long term empty property, old and less hygienic refuse collection arrangements still in place, and the other one to fire up anyone suffering from recent flooding, the drain grids which have been full with silt for so long that grass is growing up between the bars.
Are you reading this Mr Online Editor?
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