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Tesco Town site ‘could hold remains of Partick Castle’
 

by Iain Lundy

The site of the proposed Tesco superstore in Partick could have archaeological treasures buried under it, says a local historian.

Robert Mellish wants any development to be delayed until the ground has been explored.

The dad-of-two said the site, near the mouth of the River Kelvin, once housed Partick Castle.

The castle was the country home of George Hutcheson, co-founder of Hutchesons' Grammar School and the city's old Hutchesons' Hospital.

It is also believed that, before 1600, a building known as the Bishop's Palace - thought to have been a country residence for the Bishops of Glasgow - stood on the proposed Tesco site..

Mr Mellish, a marketing manager and community councillor from Jordanhill, has written to Partick councillor Aileen Colleran asking that an archaeological assessment of the site is carried out before any development is permitted.

He said: "There is a very high chance there are archaeological remains beneath the ground.

"Certainly, the council should check this place out before allowing it to be built on.

"The archbishops of Glasgow did have a residence in Partick and that site has an odds-on chance of being it."

Councillor Colleran said she "appreciated the concerns" raised by Mr Mellish.

She added: "I will ask for a briefing from council officers about the investigations that should be made before any development takes place."

A controversial planning application by Tesco for a superstore, housing development and car park was given the go-ahead this summer for the land between Beith Street and the River Kelvin after a public inquiry.

But in June an adjacent piece of land seen as essential to Tesco for access to the site was bought by Glasgow Harbour for £4.1million.

It is still not clear how ownership of the vital piece of land will affect the development.

Publication date 28/08/08

Posted by: Alan, West End on 11:33am Thu 28 Aug 08
Come on - none of these people would be caring whether or not there were "archaeological treasures" buried under it if the land was being developed for anything other than Tesco.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:39am Thu 28 Aug 08
Alan wrote:
Come on - none of these people would be caring whether or not there were "archaeological treasures" buried under it if the land was being developed for anything other than Tesco.
Very true Alan, considering what they did to the old train station, I expect the Diggers, on behalf of Purcell will be tearing up the ground and throwing it in a truck as we speak.

History and preservation are words that GCC don't have in their screwed-up vocabularly.
Posted by: Brad on 11:59am Thu 28 Aug 08
is an archaelogical survey one of the planning conditions?
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:19pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Anti Tesco NIMBY's.

Why is this an issue now? Why did Mr. Mellish not care about the site before hand? He doesn't care about some old ruin of a castle that may or may not be there. He just doesn't want the land to be developed by Tesco.

I hope Tesco revokes all his clubcard points.
Posted by: Brad on 12:28pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Why did Mr. Mellish not care about the site before hand?[/quote

Do we know he didn't? These digs aren't unusual before land is developed.
Posted by: mike, Partick on 12:59pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Hoof Hearted

I think if anyone had known about this before then it would have been raised by the STOP Tesco campaign. It sounds like this is news rather than someone just trying to stop Tesco. Archaeological investigations aren't exactly unheard of before a new development takes place...just watch one or two episodes of "Time Team" and you'll realise it is quite a regular occurence and not likely to stop the development for good. So don't panic you'll still be able to shop at Tesco's and enjoy the traffice problems the shop will likely create in Partick!
Posted by: Southside, Giffnock on 1:31pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Tesco Town isn't happening. You heard it here first.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 2:06pm Thu 28 Aug 08
mike wrote:
Hoof Hearted I think if anyone had known about this before then it would have been raised by the STOP Tesco campaign. It sounds like this is news rather than someone just trying to stop Tesco. Archaeological investigations aren't exactly unheard of before a new development takes place...just watch one or two episodes of "Time Team" and you'll realise it is quite a regular occurence and not likely to stop the development for good. So don't panic you'll still be able to shop at Tesco's and enjoy the traffice problems the shop will likely create in Partick!
Are you an authority on archaeology because you watch Time Team?

Archaeological digs are not standard practice. Only when the developer is proposing to build over a site of interest would that happen (and only when a site of interest is defined at an early stage and some form of proof that it is an historical site). Not on the whim of some local resident who doesn't want to be disturbed out of his daily slumber.
Posted by: Brad on 2:20pm Thu 28 Aug 08
some form of proof that it is an historical site


It's long been suspected, if not known, that Partick Castle was on this site. I read that in a few places long before there was any murmur of TescoTown. Digs aren't standard but - as mike writes - they're far from unheard of. As he also says, it's not going to stop tesco, just delay it a month or two at most.
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 2:41pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Tesco Town isn't happening. You heard it here first.


I hope you're right. With Morrisons applying for permission to double the size of their store, a big Sainsbury's on Crow Rd, Iceland and Farmfoods on Byres Rd and a Somerfield at the top of Byres Rd the LAST THING WE NEED is a massive Tesco and hundreds of cheap nasty Tesco Value student flats.

I wonder how much Purcel and his Labour cronies got in a brown envelope from Tesco for approving this?
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 2:42pm Thu 28 Aug 08
who cares but a few eejits such as mellish,if tesco was not going to built there would he have showed the same intrest no,
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 2:44pm Thu 28 Aug 08
I don't think the people of Partick actually get it - you live in a dump. Get over it. If Tesco don't invest, no-one else will.
Posted by: Brad on 2:46pm Thu 28 Aug 08
I wonder how much Purcel and his Labour cronies got in a brown envelope from Tesco for approving this?


Nothing. GCC didn't approve it. The Scottish Government did. And for legitmate planning reasons.
Posted by: West_End_Boy, Partick on 3:08pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
I don't think the people of Partick actually get it - you live in a dump. Get over it. If Tesco don't invest, no-one else will.
Beware, my lord, of jealousy; it is the green-eyed monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on.
Posted by: Harry, Glasgow on 4:47pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Oh dear, the anti Tesco NIMBY brigade are stooping to new depths.
Posted by: LibertarianTendency, Glasgow on 4:48pm Thu 28 Aug 08
What exactly motivates the Anti-Tesco NIMBY squad?

Until recently, A 'STOP TESCO' banner was draped from a penthouse of the luxury flats at the top of Beith Street.

Was that protester aware that his/her residence didn't exist 10 years ago, and was built on the site of the old Volcano nightclub (surely a case for World Heritage designation due to it's appearence in the movie 'Trainspotting')?

I could see the point of protesting against Tesco on the grounds that the heiress of that fortune is currently a refugee from U.K justice, escaping a £21m fine for gerrymandering whilst leader of Westminster Council.

To use a condemned (on grounds of structural instabilty) building, and now, a hypothetical archaeological site, as reason to protest is spurious at best, dishonest at worst.
Posted by: Brad on 5:30pm Thu 28 Aug 08
LibertarianTendency, this has nothing to do with anti-Tesco. It won't stop Tesco's development, barely even delay it, if at all.

Some bloke has written a letter (not actually objecting to Tesco). It's hardly a campaign.
Posted by: LibertarianTendency, Glasgow on 6:33pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Sorry Brad, but CAN you be SO sure the motivation ISN'T anti-Tesco, and even at that, it IS NIMBYesque anti-development.

Since when does being a marketing manager, qualify one as an authority on archaeology?

Please take a walk down Byres Road on Saturday, stop at each of the protest stalls (including the Stop Tesco campaign, which DOES exist) and play Devil's Advocate with their arguments. Judge for yourself if their concerns stack up, and if you feel their points are valid, then sign their petitions.

It is easy to hear a passing emotive soundbite and blindly put your name to petition without examining any counter-argument, a tactic most protest groups rely on (public naivity) to validate their positions.

All I ask, is for the public to think about all the issues before jumping on campaign bandwagons, but unfortunately this is rarely the case.
Posted by: gggrrrrrrr, Glasgow on 6:33pm Thu 28 Aug 08
The part of Partick Castle to be built on is actually an ancient trading post ie an early form of supermarket, i was told this by a relative whose son delivers The Herald to Stephen Purcell.
Posted by: Brad on 6:49pm Thu 28 Aug 08
LibTen, I think you are missing the point. The story isn't about stopping Tesco and the actions requested wouldn't not stop Tesco either. If that is Mr Mellish's motivation, it's an odd and ineffective way to express it...

On the separate issue of stopping Tesco, I objected to Tesco's applications on legitimate planning grounds. Sufficiently legitimate that the Government reporter agreed with me (and many others) in respect of one application, which he rejected. He gave the other permission subject to conditions. Short of judicial review, that's end of story as far as the planning system goes. As noted in earlier comments, it's not unusual to make an archaelogical survey a planning condition - but it does not preclude development.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 9:07pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Southside wrote:
Tesco Town isn't happening. You heard it here first.

Southside,

With the lengthly delays in any kind of indicator that work is going to begin on the site at Beith Street, Partick - I will not be convinced any such store will be built until such a time.

Perhaps Tesco should just settle for their Mtro store at the "Creme De la Creme" on Argyle Street, along with the new one being added to the units underneath Partick Housing Associations new builds, over the Bingo Hall.

Whether the remains of a Castle are there remain to be seen, and whether Aileen Colleran, or any other councillor even bother to take such a fact into consideration, which is to me highly unlikely.

But - if the palns for "Go Ape" can be hampered in such a way that the Public Enquiry was delayed twice due to the way in which archaelogical remains were found to be there - then anything is possible.

Until Partick has a real effort made to ensure that all areas of it's shopping infrastructure are considered, i.e. priority bus corridors / lanes, and re-routing cars off Dumbarton Road - the volume of traffic in Partick generally will only get worse.

This Tesco scenario will rumble on, like the gut of Purcell as he spews up his latest spin & rhetoric. But until Tesco abides by the points made by the Enquirer, and ensures it has taken all recommendations into consideration we won't see the end of this story for a long time yet.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 9:38pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Given the amount of industrial work - narrowing of the river, shipyards, train line etc etc that has gone on at that site over the years the chances of the remains of a castle/country home being found (or not already recorded)seem pretty slim and smack of desperation from the anti tesco lot to me. I remember there being a very expensive dig across the river to find the remains of the Govan mote - and after all the years of activity on the site what was found - a slightly darker patch of sandy earth that might have been a ditch at the bottom of the mote.
Posted by: Brad on 10:13pm Thu 28 Aug 08
Some info on the castle: tinyurl.com/6e3kap.
Posted by: plasterjack, g605lt on 11:40pm Thu 28 Aug 08
I hope this news will not hold up the store opening.Shopping in the west end is crap,current supermarkets are to small with poor choices.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:57pm Thu 28 Aug 08

The emergence of a Tesco in Partick will be an emergency.
As yet more smaller shops go out of business, and Dumbarton Roads traders are gradually killed off one by one. The trail of devastation left by giant Tesco's is clear to see, just wait till 6 - 12 months after this Tesco is built, and then we'll see who's laughing.

It's not about whether it's a Tesco, Sainsburys, Waitrose, or Asda - it's the inappropriacy of the location.

Not NIMBY'ism from my point of view ( as I do not overlook the site in question.)

But, real genuine concern for local traders, congestion levels, pollution, noise from yet more H.G.V. delivery lorries, and little money put back into the community.

Jobs may be a plus point,but those who have worked for supermarkets will know the wages are hardly to boast of. The bakery depts are particuarly bad for the pressure put on staff to do the jobs of what really needs more bodies to get the work done in a realistic timescale. Not, the demands placed at present.
( in all supermarkets, not just Tesco!)

Supermarkets are all the same when it comes down to it, they want to charge lower prices, but that comes at a cost, when they do not pay their staff as well as they should, and have so many employees at their tills with learning difficulties, and who they have to employ - yet do not always have the speed or skills they ideally need to make the queues go down quicker.

Cheaper definately is not always better, despite those on lower incomes.
For those who don't want to see the full picture - thats fine - but we need diversity & variety of shops, not monopolisation of the market as is happening at present.
Posted by: Aneas Silvas, Roma on 10:05am Fri 29 Aug 08
Developers are required by law to have sites
checked out by archaeologists and certified before building work commences.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 10:16am Fri 29 Aug 08
West_End_Boy wrote:
Stewie Griffin wrote: I don't think the people of Partick actually get it - you live in a dump. Get over it. If Tesco don't invest, no-one else will.
Beware, my lord, of jealousy; it is the green-eyed monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on.
and a hand on a bird is not as good as two on a bush.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 10:21am Fri 29 Aug 08
ps when are we going to get a gigantic pound store in the botanic gardens.
this is what the west end needs urgently.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:55pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Aye, tam - to go along with the gorgeous hot dog stand in it. Just what the tourists want when they sit in the Botanics and relax - NOT!

How the he** did that he**ish, tacky stall get a licence to trade in the Botanics anyway!
Shocking, distasteful, and disgusting.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 2:14pm Fri 29 Aug 08
maybe the hotdog stand belongs to ....TESCO!
Posted by: Tarry breeks, Partick on 2:23pm Fri 29 Aug 08
People Power wrote:

The emergence of a Tesco in Partick will be an emergency.
As yet more smaller shops go out of business, and Dumbarton Roads traders are gradually killed off one by one. The trail of devastation left by giant Tesco's is clear to see, just wait till 6 - 12 months after this Tesco is built, and then we'll see who's laughing.

It's not about whether it's a Tesco, Sainsburys, Waitrose, or Asda - it's the inappropriacy of the location.

Not NIMBY'ism from my point of view ( as I do not overlook the site in question.)

But, real genuine concern for local traders, congestion levels, pollution, noise from yet more H.G.V. delivery lorries, and little money put back into the community.

Jobs may be a plus point,but those who have worked for supermarkets will know the wages are hardly to boast of. The bakery depts are particuarly bad for the pressure put on staff to do the jobs of what really needs more bodies to get the work done in a realistic timescale. Not, the demands placed at present.
( in all supermarkets, not just Tesco!)

Supermarkets are all the same when it comes down to it, they want to charge lower prices, but that comes at a cost, when they do not pay their staff as well as they should, and have so many employees at their tills with learning difficulties, and who they have to employ - yet do not always have the speed or skills they ideally need to make the queues go down quicker.

Cheaper definately is not always better, despite those on lower incomes.
For those who don't want to see the full picture - thats fine - but we need diversity & variety of shops, not monopolisation of the market as is happening at present.
Well said.

With Morrisons applying for permission to double the size of their shop at the bottom of Byres road we hardly need another monster store competing for the same shoppers.
Posted by: whiskyjack, Tyne and Wear on 11:02pm Fri 29 Aug 08
I don't know if it's anti-Tesco, but where I live (Wallsend), we have a Roman Fort. Council wants to develop the land (business, leisure, etc) but there are more Roman artefacts still buried, and much more pre-Roman. So they can't go ahead with their plans. I was born and raised in Glasgow, and never heard of Partick Castle. Still though, might get some £££ via tourists? Our Roman Fort certainly does.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:51am Sun 31 Aug 08
if the archaeologists start digging round the partick castle and find some melamine plates and a hey jimmy hat. then that would be something fishy going on...help ma boab there goes the brown envelopes, ha ha.
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