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Stop dog attacks or I will sue you
 
 

by Graeme Murray

A DOG owner is threatening Glasgow City Council with legal action after his pet was attacked three times in the Botanic Gardens.

Chris Davies claims he can no longer enjoy the West End park with Murdo - because other selfish dog owners are allowing their pets to roam off their lead.

Mr Davies, 30, of North Kelvinside, is furious the council has failed to enforce a bylaw that requires people to keep their animals under control.

The charity service manager said: "My dog has been attacked three times in the last 18 months and there have also been a few near-misses.

"On a few occasions I have ended up on the ground in a tussle between the dogs.

"If a child was involved it could easily have been a lot worse."

Mr Davies said on one occasion he injured his hand trying to save Murdo from an Alsatian.

Last week, on Kelvin Walkway, a cross-breed sunk its teeth into Murdo's head, leaving a nasty wound that needed veterinary treatment.

Mr Davies said Murdo, a Parson Jack Russell Terrier, is now terrified of other dogs.

Mr Davies said the council admitted in a letter to him it cannot enforce park bylaws because it does have enough resources.

But he said this was an infringement of his civil liberties and insisted he had the right to use public parks without worrying about his dog being attacked.

He has contacted several legal firms to take his case further and is prepared to fund any legal action.

He added: "As a tax payer, I should be able to walk in the park without fear."

Kenny Boyle, the council's parks, transport and environment manager, said: "We are very keen to identify those responsible for these attacks.

"People need to keep their dogs under control in any park. While most pet owners are sensible and abide by the rules we will not think twice about excluding those who do not.

"We want to make sure parks are pleasant for everyone to enjoy."

Publication date 29/08/08

Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 11:27am Fri 29 Aug 08
"We want to make sure parks are pleasant for everyone to enjoy."

Anodyne Councilspeak
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:27am Fri 29 Aug 08
Folk will do anything to get money Bloody credit crunch.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 11:30am Fri 29 Aug 08
"On a few occasions I have ended up on the ground in a tussle ....."If a child was involved it could easily have been a lot worse."


I'm sure it would have been quite a different headline as well!!!!

Is this guy Darren Mirren's uncle?
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:33am Fri 29 Aug 08
Is this news? I’m just glad I read this online and I don’t buy the paper anymore!

Here we have another example of someone who is unable to communicate unless it is to a lawyer!

All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it?

Instead he runs to his lawyer crying about the council!! I wonder if this guy is a relative of Sydney!!

He has even allowed a proud photo of him to be put on here, now everyone in the park will know who he is and I’m sure they will all avoid him!!!

Whit a numpty!
Posted by: Deeko, Glasgow on 11:36am Fri 29 Aug 08
"On a few occasions I have ended up on the ground in a tussle between the dogs.


Im sure ive seen the same quote being used on an ET story recently about violence on Sauchiehall Street on a Sat night
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:39am Fri 29 Aug 08
Is this news?


Perhaps not news. But it gives a good insight into some the numpties who live in this city.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:00pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Stewie Griffin wrote:
Is this news?
Perhaps not news. But it gives a good insight into some the numpties who live in this city.
The place is hoaching wi' them.............., init Stew.
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 12:04pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Hey guys don't be too ruff!! on this poor man.

Maybe dog training classes would be a good start for him! yeah for him not the dog!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 12:05pm Fri 29 Aug 08
I'm gonna buck the trend here and agree with the guy. He probably HAS tried to talk to the owners - but I think we can hazard a guess at the sort of folk he's up against - wee shell suited neds with staffies.

The parks SHOULD be safe for people to walk, with or without their dogs. I absolutely adore dogs, but I loathe stupid owners, and thats what this guy seems to be dealing with.

If there is a law in place, enforce it! Otherwise, whats the point?
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 12:18pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
Is this news? I’m just glad I read this online and I don’t buy the paper anymore! Here we have another example of someone who is unable to communicate unless it is to a lawyer! All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it? Instead he runs to his lawyer crying about the council!! I wonder if this guy is a relative of Sydney!! He has even allowed a proud photo of him to be put on here, now everyone in the park will know who he is and I’m sure they will all avoid him!!! Whit a numpty!
'All he has to do is ask the owner'? -Meanwhile his dug gets killed. Are you of this planet?
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 12:26pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Ban dogs from Public Parks. This would solve the problem

Parks were created for people not for dog latrines
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 12:29pm Fri 29 Aug 08
OAP wrote:
Ban dogs from Public Parks. This would solve the problem Parks were created for people not for dog latrines
Best point yet! Get this person on the cooncil!
Posted by: The thinking alternative, City centre on 12:41pm Fri 29 Aug 08
OAP wrote:
Ban dogs from Public Parks. This would solve the problem Parks were created for people not for dog latrines
I enjoy walking through parks and often find dogs off their leads coming towards me to sniff or even jump up, leaving dirty paw marks. The owners generally find this a lovely display of affection. I on the other hand find the unhygenic maulings of a filthy animal quite repulsive and am sorely tempted to punch them on the nose. Parks for people.
Posted by: bAzTNM, Glasgow on 12:56pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Glasgow Green is full of dogs off the leesh. It's quite scary at times.
Posted by: jefstewa, govan on 12:59pm Fri 29 Aug 08
i blame the dog owners
Posted by: monkeyandweasel, Glasgow on 1:09pm Fri 29 Aug 08
I have taught my dog ju-jitsu so that it can defend itself against these brutes!
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 1:59pm Fri 29 Aug 08
victor meldrew wrote:
Kudos wrote: Is this news? I’m just glad I read this online and I don’t buy the paper anymore! Here we have another example of someone who is unable to communicate unless it is to a lawyer! All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it? Instead he runs to his lawyer crying about the council!! I wonder if this guy is a relative of Sydney!! He has even allowed a proud photo of him to be put on here, now everyone in the park will know who he is and I’m sure they will all avoid him!!! Whit a numpty!
'All he has to do is ask the owner'? -Meanwhile his dug gets killed. Are you of this planet?
Hey Victor think about it!!! If you enter a park with your dog and there is an owner not giving a f*ck about other dogs then shout to him and ask for him to lead his dog up BEFORE it comes over and does any damage!!

Yes I'm on this planet but if I was you I would cut the dosage!!
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 2:01pm Fri 29 Aug 08
OAP wrote:
Ban dogs from Public Parks. This would solve the problem Parks were created for people not for dog latrines
That's a great idea ya old idiot! If that is your way of thinking then why don't we lock up all OAPs!!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:27pm Fri 29 Aug 08
I've been in the same position as this guy, with other untrained dogs going for mine.

He should do what I do: give them a good boot up the arse.
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 2:30pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
victor meldrew wrote:
Kudos wrote: Is this news? I’m just glad I read this online and I don’t buy the paper anymore! Here we have another example of someone who is unable to communicate unless it is to a lawyer! All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it? Instead he runs to his lawyer crying about the council!! I wonder if this guy is a relative of Sydney!! He has even allowed a proud photo of him to be put on here, now everyone in the park will know who he is and I’m sure they will all avoid him!!! Whit a numpty!
'All he has to do is ask the owner'? -Meanwhile his dug gets killed. Are you of this planet?
Hey Victor think about it!!! If you enter a park with your dog and there is an owner not giving a f*ck about other dogs then shout to him and ask for him to lead his dog up BEFORE it comes over and does any damage!! Yes I'm on this planet but if I was you I would cut the dosage!!
Dear oh dear kudos, if he's that type of owner, your request is more liable to be met with a mouthful of abuse, or if you're unlucky
something a bit more physical. This is Glasgow we're talking about, - not Hampstead heath.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:33pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Id sooner see bratty children banned from parks than dogs.

In a city where a huge proportion of people live in flats and dont have gardens, they have to have somewhere to walk their dogs.

But bad owners are always the problem - many dog owners are too stupid to look after a potato, never mind an animal.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 2:56pm Fri 29 Aug 08
at least he takes his dog a walk- unlike folk who buy pups and leave them home alone next to a gas fire with a handy can of Lynx to chew if they grow bored....i refer to the headline immediatly above this one...

lol

i canny be doin with hearing folk grumble over irrelevance, mr dog owner go and walk elsewhere , and get the polis involved if a dangerous dogs running unmuzzled as i really canny see why a dog would rung wild run and attack .

i have previously owned dogs ,for years ,and only ever seen horrible untrained un-neutered males out with bam junkies wi type pit bull cross things running over snarling and sniping..but mine didnt react and so the idiot muppets and their dogs,lol, snorted their squashed faces elsewhere, but they have all been banned since 1990.(pit bull types)

is it not a police matter ? but do we care? dogs fight its 'what they do' to establish territory, if a dogs in wrong hands, dont walk where dogs roam off the lead, if you are feart they 'might get attacked' by someones yorkie , problem solved...

or why not, buy a van and take it to mugdock country park, and hope the sheep dont bahh sideways at ye!
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 2:58pm Fri 29 Aug 08
a footnote to myself PMSL is that him ? well let's hope everyone avoids that guy nwo we see who he is, and his wee jack russel whippet mongrel, haha the hairdo on that quality!! lolol
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:03pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Id sooner see bratty children banned from parks than dogs.


Excellent idea.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 3:08pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Asturias wrote:
"We want to make sure parks are pleasant for everyone to enjoy."

Anodyne Councilspeak
No - he's totally correct. The parks are for everyone to enjoy. That includes responsible dog owners. There are irresponsible people in every section of the public.

As far as the section of the Kelvin Walkway across from the Botanics is concerned, people (including oap's & children) are at far greater risk down there from the selfish and irresponsible behaviour of some cyclists than they are from dogs.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 3:10pm Fri 29 Aug 08
...most terriers (sorry but in ma opinion) are trouble making ,ankle biting wee nyaffs with bg attitudes ,i wouldn't put it past Murdo to be the one growling and taking on a threatening stance , he probably has an attitude on him, passed down to him by his owners own nervous anxiety. if Murdo starts barking first it incites other dogs to a doggy punch up, or maybe other dogs mistakenly believe the owner is Mr Snuffleupagus ...........

more tea, Vicar?
Posted by: disco dave, bishopbriggs on 3:37pm Fri 29 Aug 08
dogs should be allowed in the parks not the owners.. fact...a pitbull has a higher iQ than its owner !
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 4:18pm Fri 29 Aug 08
and they are banned now but I know wot ye mean , they pit bull variant staffy fat ugly beasts oh im so ignorant of all terriers ....they look nicer than their owners, sorry to gentle staffie owners but i dont like them ugly fat aggressive mingers, lol just described a lot of glasgow adults...

One lump or two, vicar?
Posted by: Joe Shmo, Glasgow on 5:58pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Put all dogs down. problem solved. On second thoughts put all dog owners down. Most of them are as sellfish as smokers....
Posted by: chedwardall, glasgow on 7:15pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Kudos wrote:
Is this news? I’m just glad I read this online and I don’t buy the paper anymore! Here we have another example of someone who is unable to communicate unless it is to a lawyer! All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it? Instead he runs to his lawyer crying about the council!! I wonder if this guy is a relative of Sydney!! He has even allowed a proud photo of him to be put on here, now everyone in the park will know who he is and I’m sure they will all avoid him!!! Whit a numpty!
All he has to do is ask the other owners to lead up their dogs! How difficult is it?
Actually Kudos it could prove very difficult...if they need to be asked then it proves they have no sense of responsibility.
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 7:51pm Fri 29 Aug 08
everyone has the right not to have their dog accosted and attacked by a stray scabby mongrel, but it could happen outside a park in a street, etc, and what about someone who has a guide dog that gets attacked, that would be bad news but we could argue about it all day, but there isnt the manpower to charge folk who dont keep pesty aggressive dogs at bay. unless you know their address youve had it.

true story about the police in strathclyde on the jobbie mission; no biting just out to hut dog foulers...well didnt find one but decided to stop and 'question ' me....i had my dog pee on a waste piece of wasteground across the rood from my house about 5 yr ago .not a park communal walkway....waste grass....two bored polis drove by one got out, asked me if my dog had just done the toilet dohh she had squatted and gave game away... and it was a toy sized dog i said yes she done a pee..why..oh eh marched around then , LOOKING for evidence of a jobbie, i said 'well there are loads of no2's here all done by bog dogs 'obviously' by their size officer, but if you are looking for one form her, you wont find any, as it will be steaming seeing as it is cold today,and small...'

HUH..i got lectured about it, i said everyones dog uses that ground as a bog, and i was told about jobbies lead owner to a £50 fine. raging i was ,i took a poly nappy sack bag out my pocket and said 'i always pick up her waste 'how clamped was he?

i wasnt a jakey ned with a scabby mongrel , i was a respectable lady with a small dog on its lead, minding my own business outside my own house. she hadnt crapped or attacked or was wandering around...makes me mad, wasting resources over a dog pish on some weeds!
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 8:47pm Fri 29 Aug 08
the guy has a valid point if people can not control their agressive dogs they should not be off the lead.they dont give a sh-t because if their dog needs treatment they get it for free as they tend to be of the workshy brigade.
Posted by: summer, glasgow south on 10:09pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Dogs naturally need off the lead to run around and fetch toys etc, where are you supposed to let them run around if have no garden in the centre of Glasgow? This man is out of order, its the usual scenario of a few irresponsible dog owners spoiling it for the majority. If the owner knows the dog is likely to go for other dogs and jump on people etc then yes it should be kept on a long lead or out when park likely to be empty or better still only own a friendly dog, there is no need for people to own dangerous breeds, they don't belong in cities. The vast majority of dogs are normal friendly brillant animals. Its a matter of give and respect for others as is most things in life, you can let your dog play around but it can still be under control and obviously if there is an event on in the Park or a particularly warm sunny day and bursting full then you use your common sense and make sure your dog is not a pest to others but to suggest a blanket ban of stopping all dogs being off the lead should be against some doggie law, depriving the poor dog to run! The biggest problem I find in the parks are neds throwing things, being generaly threatening and litter and particularly glass which once wounded a good dog I knew for life, does anyone care about that - ban neds etc and leave decent law abiding sensible dog owners who clean up after their dogs and their dogs don't bother anyone, human or dogs alone! Families, children, OAPs, anyone young and old, cyclists, people playing sport and dog walkers should all be able to share a park with consideration on all sides!

THE VOICE OF COMMONSENSE
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 10:16pm Fri 29 Aug 08
glamkitty wrote:
Id sooner see bratty children banned from parks than dogs. In a city where a huge proportion of people live in flats and dont have gardens, they have to have somewhere to walk their dogs. But bad owners are always the problem - many dog owners are too stupid to look after a potato, never mind an animal.
I agree ban the neds with dogs and the neds and their neddy kids and leave our parks for responsible people who clean up after their dogs, their kids and themselves and have consideration for others.
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 10:21pm Fri 29 Aug 08
OAP wrote:
Ban dogs from Public Parks. This would solve the problem Parks were created for people not for dog latrines
No chance - its irresponsible people who should be banned, the neds who throw stones at you, neds with staffies, unruly kids etc, not normal friendly dogs just getting their exercise - what would we do without the dog - we have guide dogs for the blind, hearing dogs for the deaf, rescue dogs etc etc, the list goes on - ban irresponsible people

Someone with respect for all forms of life - something some people lack.
quote
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 10:24pm Fri 29 Aug 08
tam-m wrote:
the guy has a valid point if people can not control their agressive dogs they should not be off the lead.they dont give a sh-t because if their dog needs treatment they get it for free as they tend to be of the workshy brigade.
yeah I agree only if their dog is aggressive, normal dogs deserve the right to run around as long as they are under control, they need the exercise, where else can they run around, ban all neds and neds with dogs
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 10:28pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Joe Shmo wrote:
Put all dogs down. problem solved. On second thoughts put all dog owners down. Most of them are as sellfish as smokers....
you've obviously never had the pleasure of looking after a dog. Ban all neds instead. most dog owners are very respectable law abiding people who care about people and dogs alike. Its the neds that should be put down along with dog haters.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 10:31pm Fri 29 Aug 08
If the council cannot enforce the law due to a shortage of staff, then the solution is to ban dogs from all parks. Isn't it odd that the council always have a resource problem when there is no money to be made, but when it comes to Traffic Wardens, for example, you can't walk 100 yards without seeing one, or two.

As for the dogs, I would give those not on a lease a piece of chocolate, the laxative sort, thereby giving the owner something to wipe up, preferably off their carpet.

Posted by: whiskyjack, Tyne and Wear on 10:46pm Fri 29 Aug 08
Ask the owner to put their dog on a lead? Good one... when they tell you "och it's ok" after they attack your dog, which is on a lead. Tell them next time the dog does it, you're gonna kick it's arse.... I did... and got in a fight with the owner, while my dog knocked the crap out of his!!!!
Posted by: Edna Bucket, Interweb on 10:28am Sat 30 Aug 08
i agree with all summers comments

but whiskyjack is well named, obviously a drunken idiot full of whisky when he posted.

Common assault for attacking a human and animal cruelty. What can an animal do against a mans large booted foot, no right kicking any dog.

Comments and 'quick fix answers' of this nature just back up what the guy Chris Davis says, bad owners like YOU coming up to him with your attitude, thinking you can attack anyone or any animal you feel like. Says a lot about the type of man you are.

Says you stay in England? good, stay there, least we wont bump into you with your poor animal who has the misfortune of having you as its master.

I only hope he got the police, and that the dog you kicked didnt die of ruptured internal organs. if your story is true or was it just a 'joke'?

Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 4:04pm Sat 30 Aug 08
Happens even within a allotment, been savaged of late, such animals must be banned. As for dogs attacking dogs, nothing short of a disgrace and should be taken to court.
Posted by: Bear, Glasgow on 5:02pm Sun 31 Aug 08
mayb shud b law tht aw dogs shud b on lead in public then stuff like this no hapen.
Posted by: Miss Gordon, Glasgow on 5:34pm Sun 31 Aug 08
jim wrote:
Folk will do anything to get money Bloody credit crunch.
I know for certain that Mr Davies did NOT receive payment for this article. He was merely bringing this concerning incident to the public's attention. It was not for financial gain.
Posted by: Miss Gordon, Glasgow on 5:52pm Sun 31 Aug 08
I completely sympathise and empathise with Mr Davies' situation, as my dog has also been attacked several times, in the Kelvin Walkway area of the Botanic gardens. As my dog likes to give chase to the many squirrels that live in the Botanics, I ALWAYS keep him on the lead and under control. The problems arise when irresponsible dog owners, who let the pets run wild are nowhere to be seen as their dog approaches my own. Asking other dog owners to restrain their pets on a leash, is rarely an option as they casually stroll along, blissfully unaware that their faithful companions are "only playing" and annoying the life out of my dog.
At the end of the day, dogs are animals. Literally. They cannot always be controlled by a simple call of their name in a high-pitched, excitable way from meters away.
At every entrance to the Botanic Gardens, signs clearly state that "Dogs are welcome in the park, if they are kept on a lead and under control". Can people not read?? Or maybe they can but choose to ignore this Glasgow City Council by-law.
People should show more respect for others. EVERYONE is there to enjoy the park.
Posted by: Stephen w, Glasgow on 8:15pm Sun 31 Aug 08
Having read through some of the comments in this article, I simply cannot understand why people fail to acknowledge the failings of GCC.

This is merely a case of a concerned owner looking out for his dog and highlighting people who fail to acknowledge common park courtesy.

It is the responsibility of GCC to enforce such by-laws and where such laws are broken, council tax paying residents are entitled to make the council accountable.
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 9:03pm Sun 31 Aug 08
Stephen w wrote:
Having read through some of the comments in this article, I simply cannot understand why people fail to acknowledge the failings of GCC. This is merely a case of a concerned owner looking out for his dog and highlighting people who fail to acknowledge common park courtesy. It is the responsibility of GCC to enforce such by-laws and where such laws are broken, council tax paying residents are entitled to make the council accountable.
There is a difference between common park courtesy and forcing all dogs to be kept on leads. Dogs NEED off the lead to play around and get proper exercise, its the fierce dogs that people shouldn't own or should be kept on a lead. If GCC has a responsibility to enforce by-laws then its the vandals from parks they should get rid of and unruly kids as well, they certainly shouldn't be insisting all dogs are kept on leads, I for one will never keep a dog on a lead in the park, he is friendly and never annoys other dogs or people and is kept well away from everyone, why should normal people and dogs miss out because of a few vandals as that's what these people are. I have a right as a council tax payer to walk in a park that has no broken glass and rubbish and has no unruly so called kids chucking anything around and drugged up to their eyeballs, that's where GCC should act more.
Posted by: Miss Gordon, Glasgow on 11:46pm Sun 31 Aug 08
summer wrote:
Stephen w wrote: Having read through some of the comments in this article, I simply cannot understand why people fail to acknowledge the failings of GCC. This is merely a case of a concerned owner looking out for his dog and highlighting people who fail to acknowledge common park courtesy. It is the responsibility of GCC to enforce such by-laws and where such laws are broken, council tax paying residents are entitled to make the council accountable.
There is a difference between common park courtesy and forcing all dogs to be kept on leads. Dogs NEED off the lead to play around and get proper exercise, its the fierce dogs that people shouldn't own or should be kept on a lead. If GCC has a responsibility to enforce by-laws then its the vandals from parks they should get rid of and unruly kids as well, they certainly shouldn't be insisting all dogs are kept on leads, I for one will never keep a dog on a lead in the park, he is friendly and never annoys other dogs or people and is kept well away from everyone, why should normal people and dogs miss out because of a few vandals as that's what these people are. I have a right as a council tax payer to walk in a park that has no broken glass and rubbish and has no unruly so called kids chucking anything around and drugged up to their eyeballs, that's where GCC should act more.
I utterly agree with your comments about rubbish and broken bottles cluttering up our beautiful park. There are bins sited throughout the Botanics, for people to dispose of their rubbish, bottles, cans etc. The same bins can be used to for dog owners to dispose of their pets excrement. I raised my concerns to Glasgow City council after my young neice fell on broken glass in the Botanics (she received hospital treatment, resulting in 3 stitches to her left hand) but the council's response sounds extremely similar to the one that Mr Davies received, it seems that they do not have enough resources to keep our parks safe and clean. Like the by-law that says dogs must be kept on a lead and under conrol, another by-law says that people must not leave rubbish in the park. You say "if" GCC has a responsibility to enforce by-laws? My, my... of course they do!
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 1:14am Mon 1 Sep 08
There's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. Mr Davies has every right to complain.. good for him!
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:03pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Scottish Rose wrote:
There's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. Mr Davies has every right to complain.. good for him!
Mr Davies has every right to complain about his dog being attacked by out of control dogs. He does NOT have every right to demand that every single dog is kept on the lead, regardless of how responsible the owner.

There are a great many dogs who are exercised regularly and off-lead on the Kelvin Walkway who are under the control of their owners and do not attack other dogs. These owners are also couuncil tax payers who are entitleled to use the parks. Why should their freedom be curtailed on account of a minority of irresponsible owners?

The same park by-laws that are being quoted here, also make it perfectly clear that nobody is allowed to cause a nuisance to other park users. If we penalise every group of park users of which a tiny minority cause a nuisance, then nobody will be left to enjoy the parks!
Posted by: Gazza, Glasgow on 2:04pm Mon 1 Sep 08
I was riding along the Kelvin walkway the other evening after work and a dog came out of nowhere so I had no alternative but to run into it with my bicycle. The owner seemed to think this was my fault although as I'm 6'4'' didn't push it. I don't think the dog was too pleased either :-)
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 2:25pm Mon 1 Sep 08
mulross wrote:
Scottish Rose wrote: There's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. Mr Davies has every right to complain.. good for him!
Mr Davies has every right to complain about his dog being attacked by out of control dogs. He does NOT have every right to demand that every single dog is kept on the lead, regardless of how responsible the owner. There are a great many dogs who are exercised regularly and off-lead on the Kelvin Walkway who are under the control of their owners and do not attack other dogs. These owners are also couuncil tax payers who are entitleled to use the parks. Why should their freedom be curtailed on account of a minority of irresponsible owners? The same park by-laws that are being quoted here, also make it perfectly clear that nobody is allowed to cause a nuisance to other park users. If we penalise every group of park users of which a tiny minority cause a nuisance, then nobody will be left to enjoy the parks!
I agree with you mulross. I'm only saying that Mr Davies has a right to complain about those idiot owners, who seem to think that when their dogs fight it's a sign of masculinity. Some people shouldn't own a budgie, much less a dog! I like to let my own dog off leash too, and I would be as P.O'd as Mr Davies if my dog was attacked. But I agree with you, people pay their taxes, and have a right to take their dogs to play in the park. The dogs with stupid owners however, dont need to be in a park with their dogs running loose.
Posted by: The thinking alternative, City centre on 7:03pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Listen to the dog owners who let their own dogs run around off the lead tell us that it's the Nasty Dog owners with the Nasty Dogs that annoy other park users and not their own little beauty who nobody could fail to love. Preposterous. ALL DOGS ON LEADS in public places.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 9:37pm Mon 1 Sep 08
I was riding along the Kelvin walkway the other evening after work and a dog came out of nowhere so I had no alternative but to run into it with my bicycle.


So, you don't have brakes on your bike then? Or were you going at such a high speed that you weren't able to stop in time?
Posted by: C.S., Glasgow on 10:46pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Time dog owner stop pretending they're walking the hounds around their country manor estates. Get the dog under control and clean up its mess.

You can keep an African safari zoo of animals, I don't care as its none of my business . But the second they get in my way or become a problem to me or my property it gets dealt with short and sharp. Shame really as its not the animals fault but the so called responsible owner.

Oh but one dog not good enough its 2/3 dogs then they meet up with other dog owners and block and mess up the paths in the park. No no no, I don't tolerate that nonsense at all. So when the usual dog owners see me coming they get a grip of their dogs. No problems and lesson learned by the owner the first time albeit the hard way. People don't 'need' to ask dog owners for anything. Its the dog owners 'duty' to respect people in the parks PERIOD! Now as for those pesky cats....
Posted by: summer, glasgow on 7:09pm Tue 9 Sep 08
mulross wrote:
Scottish Rose wrote: There's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners. Mr Davies has every right to complain.. good for him!
Mr Davies has every right to complain about his dog being attacked by out of control dogs. He does NOT have every right to demand that every single dog is kept on the lead, regardless of how responsible the owner. There are a great many dogs who are exercised regularly and off-lead on the Kelvin Walkway who are under the control of their owners and do not attack other dogs. These owners are also couuncil tax payers who are entitleled to use the parks. Why should their freedom be curtailed on account of a minority of irresponsible owners? The same park by-laws that are being quoted here, also make it perfectly clear that nobody is allowed to cause a nuisance to other park users. If we penalise every group of park users of which a tiny minority cause a nuisance, then nobody will be left to enjoy the parks!
could not have put it better if had written that myself - my sentiments exactly. The dog I exercise for a friend runs around off the lead, he loves to run around but he causes no bother to anyone and is beside me and doesn't go near anyone, why should my wee dog miss out on chasing a ball because of a few irresponsible owners who have fierce dogs and the other tiny minority cause a nuisance through other stuff like you say.
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