Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 12:28pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]"That purpose is supported by our strategic objectives of building a Scotland that is safer and stronger, greener, healthier, smarter, wealthier and fairer."[/quote]
Ah, Nirvana.
Alex, get your head out of the clouds and tackle some real issues instead of mouthing off.
"That purpose is supported by our strategic objectives of building a Scotland that is safer and stronger, greener, healthier, smarter, wealthier and fairer."
Ah, Nirvana.
Alex, get your head out of the clouds and tackle some real issues instead of mouthing off.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 12:38pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Get on with it Mr Alex Salmond Scotlands First Minister.
Holyrood has for the first time good goverment.
In minority only in parliement, your doing fine lad.
As the opinion polls state the majority of our people are following.
Get on with it Mr Alex Salmond Scotlands First Minister.
Holyrood has for the first time good goverment.
In minority only in parliement, your doing fine lad.
As the opinion polls state the majority of our people are following.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:39pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
[/quote]
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country.
Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay.
Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax
I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country.
Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay.
Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax
I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 12:44pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Jamieson is thick.. Evertime the 3 stooges open their mouths it adds to the independence movement. LOL Keep it up.
Poll Tax... LIT is completely different in setup... Must be opening her gub for the uneducated who know no better... Of course maybe and just a thought, she probably knows no better ..
Jamieson is thick.. Evertime the 3 stooges open their mouths it adds to the independence movement. LOL Keep it up.
Poll Tax... LIT is completely different in setup... Must be opening her gub for the uneducated who know no better... Of course maybe and just a thought, she probably knows no better ..
Posted by: subrosa on 12:51pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:39pm today
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country.
Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay.
Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax
I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
[/quote]
Surely, if you're so successful then you're paying high rate income tax. Don't you think you're already subsidising others for your own success?
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:39pm today
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country.
Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay.
Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax
I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
Surely, if you're so successful then you're paying high rate income tax. Don't you think you're already subsidising others for your own success?
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 12:56pm Wed 3 Sep 08
The Government will press on with LIT, the opposition will oppose it and almost certainly vote it down. I suspect this is exactly what the government expects. The opposition will hail it as a great victory, however it will be a Pyrrhic Victory and the cost to them will be that many people will see the opposition as being in favour of the hated Council Tax, without proposing any better system. This cost will show in all subsequent elections.
The Government will press on with LIT, the opposition will oppose it and almost certainly vote it down. I suspect this is exactly what the government expects. The opposition will hail it as a great victory, however it will be a Pyrrhic Victory and the cost to them will be that many people will see the opposition as being in favour of the hated Council Tax, without proposing any better system. This cost will show in all subsequent elections.
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 1:05pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote:
[quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I love your last paragraph.. It tells much about yourself.
Success can come in many forms. The Evening Times vendor sitting outside Lewis's probably sells less newspapers than another outwith Glasgow town centre.. Or maybe your success could be that 6 adults live within your household... All working..
I couldn't care a d*m
Hopefully your success could mean early retirement like myself at 50.. The subject of an individual like yourself means nothing to most of us. A fairer system on gathering a tax does.
It is possible that when the format of LIT comes into the public eye I personally may pay more. Concerned? not me. If many of the public (not as lucky as I was) can gain a little breathing space from the all taxing Labour Government at Westminster thats fine by me.. Brown's stealth Taxes . Surprising you haven't left the country over recent years... Funny that.
Bob Millar wrote:
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I love your last paragraph.. It tells much about yourself.
Success can come in many forms. The Evening Times vendor sitting outside Lewis's probably sells less newspapers than another outwith Glasgow town centre.. Or maybe your success could be that 6 adults live within your household... All working..
I couldn't care a d*m
Hopefully your success could mean early retirement like myself at 50.. The subject of an individual like yourself means nothing to most of us. A fairer system on gathering a tax does.
It is possible that when the format of LIT comes into the public eye I personally may pay more. Concerned? not me. If many of the public (not as lucky as I was) can gain a little breathing space from the all taxing Labour Government at Westminster thats fine by me.. Brown's stealth Taxes . Surprising you haven't left the country over recent years... Funny that.
Posted by: big_yin, Glasgow Thonrliebank on 1:12pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Great News!!
Mr Alex Salmond is doing great job for scotland council Tax yes should be stoped for low income familys also any one over age 65
to many low income familys be draged to court from glasgow city council to be (bankruptcy)
---
Again Good work Mr alex salmond
Great News!!
Mr Alex Salmond is doing great job for scotland council Tax yes should be stoped for low income familys also any one over age 65
to many low income familys be draged to court from glasgow city council to be (bankruptcy)
---
Again Good work Mr alex salmond
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 1:18pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]subrosa[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:39pm today Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success! [/quote] Surely, if you're so successful then you're paying high rate income tax. Don't you think you're already subsidising others for your own success?[/quote]
This'll raise a laugh, but I supported the poll tax ;-)
subrosa wrote:
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:39pm today Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
Surely, if you're so successful then you're paying high rate income tax. Don't you think you're already subsidising others for your own success?
This'll raise a laugh, but I supported the poll tax ;-)
Posted by: Heidthebaw, Glasgow on 1:22pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Surely all thats needed is a look at the rates paid in council tax by the elderly etc...
A suitable adjustment could be made which sorted it, without needing to spend zillions on a ridiculous income tax.
It's not rocket science.
If they bring in LIT then instead of paying one lot of council tax, everyone in a house who works will pay it.
Meanwhile, as per usual, the workshy don't have to bother.
It even gives them yet more excuse not to want to work.
This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.
Surely all thats needed is a look at the rates paid in council tax by the elderly etc...
A suitable adjustment could be made which sorted it, without needing to spend zillions on a ridiculous income tax.
It's not rocket science.
If they bring in LIT then instead of paying one lot of council tax, everyone in a house who works will pay it.
Meanwhile, as per usual, the workshy don't have to bother.
It even gives them yet more excuse not to want to work.
This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 1:24pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]Meanwhile, as per usual, the workshy don't have to bother.
It even gives them yet more excuse not to want to work.[/quote]
Agreed.
Meanwhile, as per usual, the workshy don't have to bother.
It even gives them yet more excuse not to want to work.
Agreed.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 1:35pm Wed 3 Sep 08
What happened to the £2000 award to help first time home buyers?
Are they diverting that money to pay for the extra Police we are still waiting for?
Or has it gone to organisations like SIF, which the SNP appear to throw money at?
Whatever they have done with the money, it is certainly a U-TURN. Our young homeseekers will never forgive them for this.
No fear, you will not have to worry about drunken youths anymore. In fact, you will not see anyone drunk once Temperance McAskill prices alcohol beyond the reach of the average working man. I suggest you stock up now, before the Mad Hatter gets started.
As for LIT, I doubt many people have actually worked out how much they will lose out of their pay packet. Maye Alex would like to give every household in Scotland an example of what they would pay and let them make their own mind up as to whether this will be an 'overwhelming benefit'
What happened to the £2000 award to help first time home buyers?
Are they diverting that money to pay for the extra Police we are still waiting for?
Or has it gone to organisations like SIF, which the SNP appear to throw money at?
Whatever they have done with the money, it is certainly a U-TURN. Our young homeseekers will never forgive them for this.
No fear, you will not have to worry about drunken youths anymore. In fact, you will not see anyone drunk once Temperance McAskill prices alcohol beyond the reach of the average working man. I suggest you stock up now, before the Mad Hatter gets started.
As for LIT, I doubt many people have actually worked out how much they will lose out of their pay packet. Maye Alex would like to give every household in Scotland an example of what they would pay and let them make their own mind up as to whether this will be an 'overwhelming benefit'
Posted by: bigdogg, Glasgow on 1:59pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Bob Millar = Idiot!
If you knew any figures before running your mouth off.
Wallace street and Morrison street flats are council tax band F,G and H. The average price of a flat sold here is around 120k. Now tell me if your pathetic formula is fair here:
[italic]Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax[/italic]
I just fail to understand why these flats (and many other city flats) are banded in the same category as a west end town house when the price difference can be around 500k.
The current council tax system is unfair with most houses in the wrong council tax band - why are they wrongly banded - because the council are money grabbing scumbags!!!
Bob Millar = Idiot!
If you knew any figures before running your mouth off.
Wallace street and Morrison street flats are council tax band F,G and H. The average price of a flat sold here is around 120k. Now tell me if your pathetic formula is fair here:
Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax
Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax
I just fail to understand why these flats (and many other city flats) are banded in the same category as a west end town house when the price difference can be around 500k.
The current council tax system is unfair with most houses in the wrong council tax band - why are they wrongly banded - because the council are money grabbing scumbags!!!
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 2:00pm Wed 3 Sep 08
our great leader alex has spoken as he fights for a better deal for all the people of scotland, hail to our great leader,ps any body spoted the shamed wee wendy and her pal jackie (i ate all the buffet) baillie,where are they hiding
our great leader alex has spoken as he fights for a better deal for all the people of scotland, hail to our great leader,ps any body spoted the shamed wee wendy and her pal jackie (i ate all the buffet) baillie,where are they hiding
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 2:09pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]
Bob Millar = Idiot!
[/quote]
Name calling doesn't really help your argument.
Bob Millar = Idiot!
Name calling doesn't really help your argument.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 2:18pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.[/quote]
Too true.
This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.
Too true.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:28pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote:
[quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I agree with you 100%.
Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Bob Millar wrote:
Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I agree with you 100%.
Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:29pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]big_yin[/bold] wrote:
Great News!! Mr Alex Salmond is doing great job for scotland council Tax yes should be stoped for low income familys also any one over age 65 to many low income familys be draged to court from glasgow city council to be (bankruptcy) --- Again Good work Mr alex salmond[/quote] Prize for funniest post of the day. You surely arent for real?
big_yin wrote:
Great News!! Mr Alex Salmond is doing great job for scotland council Tax yes should be stoped for low income familys also any one over age 65 to many low income familys be draged to court from glasgow city council to be (bankruptcy) --- Again Good work Mr alex salmond
Prize for funniest post of the day. You surely arent for real?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:31pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
[quote]This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.[/quote] Too true.[/quote] The workshy will no longer have the luxury of being workshy when new reforms come in as of next month.
Pensioners paid their money and most of them probably worked all their days for loonies on here to moan that they are spongers.
What a pure cheek.
Next
Stewie Griffin wrote:
This is an idiotic plan that will cost a fortune to run and benefit nobody, except pensioners and the workshy.
Too true.
The workshy will no longer have the luxury of being workshy when new reforms come in as of next month.
Pensioners paid their money and most of them probably worked all their days for loonies on here to moan that they are spongers.
What a pure cheek.
Next
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:35pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote: [quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.[/quote] Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat.
Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist?
My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all!
glamkitty wrote:
Bob Millar wrote: Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat.
Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist?
My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:59pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote: [quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.[/quote] Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all![/quote] Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.
The Missing City wrote:
glamkitty wrote: Bob Millar wrote: Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all!
Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.
Posted by: drunkenmonkey, Glasgow on 3:46pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Here's hoping the new council tax system comes in to place, and the sooner the better! It's going to save me a fortune!
Here's hoping the new council tax system comes in to place, and the sooner the better! It's going to save me a fortune!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:48pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote: [quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.[/quote] Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all![/quote] Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.[/quote] Difference is Glam, that mob have been in power for years and done very little - SNP have only been in power 18 months and it seems (on behalf of Labour and the ET0 that its the SNP who have been in power for years.
I'll decide upon whether to vote for them again based on their performance come the next election.
Glam, the SNP are nowhere near as bad as Labour - Labour hate them, so they can't be alike - one is a pals act and ignores the voter whereas the other has the scottish people at the forefront of their agenda.
Its pretty obvious who seems to be the sensible of the two, if you disagree then time will tell, but not at the hands of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition to defeat bills and laws being passed.
glamkitty wrote:
The Missing City wrote: glamkitty wrote: Bob Millar wrote: Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all!
Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.
Difference is Glam, that mob have been in power for years and done very little - SNP have only been in power 18 months and it seems (on behalf of Labour and the ET0 that its the SNP who have been in power for years.
I'll decide upon whether to vote for them again based on their performance come the next election.
Glam, the SNP are nowhere near as bad as Labour - Labour hate them, so they can't be alike - one is a pals act and ignores the voter whereas the other has the scottish people at the forefront of their agenda.
Its pretty obvious who seems to be the sensible of the two, if you disagree then time will tell, but not at the hands of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition to defeat bills and laws being passed.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:55pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote: [quote] Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay". [/quote] The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success![/quote] I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.[/quote] Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all![/quote] Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.[/quote] Difference is Glam, that mob have been in power for years and done very little - SNP have only been in power 18 months and it seems (on behalf of Labour and the ET0 that its the SNP who have been in power for years. I'll decide upon whether to vote for them again based on their performance come the next election. Glam, the SNP are nowhere near as bad as Labour - Labour hate them, so they can't be alike - one is a pals act and ignores the voter whereas the other has the scottish people at the forefront of their agenda. Its pretty obvious who seems to be the sensible of the two, if you disagree then time will tell, but not at the hands of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition to defeat bills and laws being passed.[/quote] Mind you, they could have handled the Hanif situation with a bit more professionalism, given the fact that the incident happened in Pakistan rather than it happening here, this is probably why he has got to keep his cooncil post.
Some people are stupid, but that shouldn't be a bad reflection on the party he represents.
Take Mike Watson when he set fire to those hotel curtains, his actions were not supported or in anyway linked to the party he represented, even if his party are a bunch of loonies.
Ha Ha
The Missing City wrote:
glamkitty wrote: The Missing City wrote: glamkitty wrote: Bob Millar wrote: Top of his agenda is abolishing council tax. He said he was committed to replacing the "regressive, unfair tax with a fair system of local taxation based on ability to pay".
The day this comes in will be the day I leave this country. Surely the existing system is already in line with an ability to pay. Large, expensive house in nice area = high council tax Smaller house in less affluent area = low council tax I refuse to subsidise others as a punishment for my own personal success!
I agree with you 100%. Luckily the SNP, in its short period in power, has shown that it never actually follows through with any of the things it proposes - so I wouldnt be overly concerned.
Well maybe when a devious bunch of parliamentarians known as the Labour party are overruling anything the SNP is attempting to make the country better for all, then I suppose it can be used as bait to slag the SNP off even when they have a majority of only one seat. Hmmmm - cheap arguments are springing up here, Glam - are you a Labour party activist? My mate used to be and now he would rather drop a ton of excrement upon them all!
Im pretty sure its obvious from another post (perhaps on the apprenticeships story?) that Im very much not a labour supporter. I think theyre almost as useless as the SNP.
Difference is Glam, that mob have been in power for years and done very little - SNP have only been in power 18 months and it seems (on behalf of Labour and the ET0 that its the SNP who have been in power for years. I'll decide upon whether to vote for them again based on their performance come the next election. Glam, the SNP are nowhere near as bad as Labour - Labour hate them, so they can't be alike - one is a pals act and ignores the voter whereas the other has the scottish people at the forefront of their agenda. Its pretty obvious who seems to be the sensible of the two, if you disagree then time will tell, but not at the hands of a Labour/Lib Dem coalition to defeat bills and laws being passed.
Mind you, they could have handled the Hanif situation with a bit more professionalism, given the fact that the incident happened in Pakistan rather than it happening here, this is probably why he has got to keep his cooncil post.
Some people are stupid, but that shouldn't be a bad reflection on the party he represents.
Take Mike Watson when he set fire to those hotel curtains, his actions were not supported or in anyway linked to the party he represented, even if his party are a bunch of loonies.
Ha Ha
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 4:37pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
Posted by: bubbleman, london on 4:47pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Will you guys stop wiyh multi quotes in block..my fcuking eyes cant take anymore!!!!!
Will you guys stop wiyh multi quotes in block..my fcuking eyes cant take anymore!!!!!
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 4:55pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote]
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
[/quote]
Which is why I said I was a fan of the poll tax
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
Which is why I said I was a fan of the poll tax
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 5:00pm Wed 3 Sep 08
The community charge [poll tax] was certainly a lot fairer. Pity we could not go back to it.
The community charge was certainly a lot fairer. Pity we could not go back to it.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 5:04pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]jkr[/bold] wrote:
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?[/quote] What's unfair about it?
jkr wrote:
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
What's unfair about it?
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]jkr[/bold] wrote:
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?[/quote] What's unfair about it?
jkr wrote:
Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
What's unfair about it?
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 5:11pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Looked at the photo above of our esteemed leader Mr Salmond and realised that the GO APE proposal must have been given the go ahead. Now, who has stolen Alex's banana!
Looked at the photo above of our esteemed leader Mr Salmond and realised that the GO APE proposal must have been given the go ahead. Now, who has stolen Alex's banana!
Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 5:27pm Wed 3 Sep 08
Trust salmond,I don't. I would like to leave if
this man is allowed to continue with his lies,
but I have left it to late (to old) the man is
a cheat remember his false stance against Thatcher's tax.
Trust salmond,I don't. I would like to leave if
this man is allowed to continue with his lies,
but I have left it to late (to old) the man is
a cheat remember his false stance against Thatcher's tax.
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnich Greater Glasgow on 5:43pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]I Predict A Riot[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jkr[/bold] wrote: Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?[/quote] What's unfair about it?[/quote] Pretty obvious I would think.
I Predict A Riot wrote:
jkr wrote: Bob Millar, Shawlands says big house in nice area , high council tax. Fair enough. However 2 people in a nice house in a nice area pay the same amount of council tax as 3,4,5,or more people in the same type of house. What's fair about that?
What's unfair about it?
Pretty obvious I would think.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 6:24pm Wed 3 Sep 08
With the exception of personal attacks this is an interesting little discussion. Agreed that whatever form an LIT takes the SNP will need to be careful as they might isolate a lot of (successful) folk. Also something needs to stop the idiots in Glasgow City Council who are shelling out hordes of cash to claim back lesser cash in the form of unpaid council tax. They are stupid people.
Basing taxes on the market value of property is always gonna be a crazy idea esp. since local Governments can do little to control the impacts of the market and housing is just one example.
I am no Nationalist but let's see what Salmond and his cronies can do here.
With the exception of personal attacks this is an interesting little discussion. Agreed that whatever form an LIT takes the SNP will need to be careful as they might isolate a lot of (successful) folk. Also something needs to stop the idiots in Glasgow City Council who are shelling out hordes of cash to claim back lesser cash in the form of unpaid council tax. They are stupid people.
Basing taxes on the market value of property is always gonna be a crazy idea esp. since local Governments can do little to control the impacts of the market and housing is just one example.
I am no Nationalist but let's see what Salmond and his cronies can do here.
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 7:50pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]drunkenmonkey[/bold] wrote:
Here's hoping the new council tax system comes in to place, and the sooner the better! It's going to save me a fortune![/quote] correct same as myself i paid to much when the fat cats paid less get it right up them
drunkenmonkey wrote:
Here's hoping the new council tax system comes in to place, and the sooner the better! It's going to save me a fortune!
correct same as myself i paid to much when the fat cats paid less get it right up them
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 8:00pm Wed 3 Sep 08
what about us single parents who do work and are not workshy? I am sick listening to people who think they know it all - you lot know nothing. I have worked since I was 14 years of age for over 30 years! Never claimed benefit in my life and there are lots like me! I now have a low income and out of that have to pay £140 a month on council tax. that's a quarter of my salary! I need all the help I can get thank you kindly! And I will be damned if I dont pay my way in society!
what about us single parents who do work and are not workshy? I am sick listening to people who think they know it all - you lot know nothing. I have worked since I was 14 years of age for over 30 years! Never claimed benefit in my life and there are lots like me! I now have a low income and out of that have to pay £140 a month on council tax. that's a quarter of my salary! I need all the help I can get thank you kindly! And I will be damned if I dont pay my way in society!
Posted by: fredo, paisley on 9:53pm Wed 3 Sep 08
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote:
what about us single parents who do work and are not workshy? I am sick listening to people who think they know it all - you lot know nothing. I have worked since I was 14 years of age for over 30 years! Never claimed benefit in my life and there are lots like me! I now have a low income and out of that have to pay £140 a month on council tax. that's a quarter of my salary! I need all the help I can get thank you kindly! And I will be damned if I dont pay my way in society![/quote] tell them misty to many fat cats posting crap comments it"s about time the low paid got a bit of help and as salmond says only 20% will pay more
misty wrote:
what about us single parents who do work and are not workshy? I am sick listening to people who think they know it all - you lot know nothing. I have worked since I was 14 years of age for over 30 years! Never claimed benefit in my life and there are lots like me! I now have a low income and out of that have to pay £140 a month on council tax. that's a quarter of my salary! I need all the help I can get thank you kindly! And I will be damned if I dont pay my way in society!
tell them misty to many fat cats posting crap comments it"s about time the low paid got a bit of help and as salmond says only 20% will pay more
Posted by: Rosimo, Glasgow on 12:11am Thu 4 Sep 08
The problem is that the 20% who will pay more may have to pay a LOT more, and as they are the more successful and probably the more mobile, they may well leave as did higher earners when labour introduced high rates of income tax in the 1970s or whenever it was, causing the 'brain drain'. More worryingly, it is already quite hard to attract skilled professionals to come and work in Scotland, this is just going to make it even harder, and this in turn is a disincentive to companies to set up here and invest in Scotland.
The problem is that the 20% who will pay more may have to pay a LOT more, and as they are the more successful and probably the more mobile, they may well leave as did higher earners when labour introduced high rates of income tax in the 1970s or whenever it was, causing the 'brain drain'. More worryingly, it is already quite hard to attract skilled professionals to come and work in Scotland, this is just going to make it even harder, and this in turn is a disincentive to companies to set up here and invest in Scotland.
Posted by: scot, Glasgow on 12:40am Thu 4 Sep 08
I would suggest Salmond to arrange a check of how many persons are living in each flat in the west end of Glasgow; and how many of them pay any kind of tax for the work they do. Inside 20 kelvingrove street it seems "the poorest place in the world" rather than the "expensive west-end", falling apart because overcrowded of people who do not care about any decency and leave their rubbish on the stairs, in front of the door and on the street, for weeks; I think its unfair if those people, overloading and pretending the country, at the end of the day get more benefits than those who honestly pay their tax&bills for “Clean Glasgow” and Council Tax. If the government wants to make the things right, than at least should do some more even to protect honest workers rather than start by giving again privilege to “fake-poor” people; and there are too many of them here around. The idea of the modified council tax in Glasgow may eventually work: But everybody HAS TO PAY!!
I would suggest Salmond to arrange a check of how many persons are living in each flat in the west end of Glasgow; and how many of them pay any kind of tax for the work they do. Inside 20 kelvingrove street it seems "the poorest place in the world" rather than the "expensive west-end", falling apart because overcrowded of people who do not care about any decency and leave their rubbish on the stairs, in front of the door and on the street, for weeks; I think its unfair if those people, overloading and pretending the country, at the end of the day get more benefits than those who honestly pay their tax&bills for “Clean Glasgow” and Council Tax. If the government wants to make the things right, than at least should do some more even to protect honest workers rather than start by giving again privilege to “fake-poor” people; and there are too many of them here around. The idea of the modified council tax in Glasgow may eventually work: But everybody HAS TO PAY!!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 9:30am Thu 4 Sep 08
Lets not forget that Salmond's idea that this will cost an extra 3p in the pound has been entirely ridiculed for being way too low to cover basic services (especially taking out of the equation all the folk who will now pay nothing at all).
The end result will be, of course, that it ends up being a lot more than 3p - some people have suggested it could be as much as 10p extra in the pound for people above a certain wage.
Alex Salmond must know he is backing a loser here and I dont know how many more people have to tell him - hes just so arrogant he thinks he knows better, but how many of his past policies have actually come to fruition? They fall by the wayside because he simply hasnt thought them through. Thankfully.
Lets not forget that Salmond's idea that this will cost an extra 3p in the pound has been entirely ridiculed for being way too low to cover basic services (especially taking out of the equation all the folk who will now pay nothing at all).
The end result will be, of course, that it ends up being a lot more than 3p - some people have suggested it could be as much as 10p extra in the pound for people above a certain wage.
Alex Salmond must know he is backing a loser here and I dont know how many more people have to tell him - hes just so arrogant he thinks he knows better, but how many of his past policies have actually come to fruition? They fall by the wayside because he simply hasnt thought them through. Thankfully.
Posted by: tam, glasgow on 10:23am Thu 4 Sep 08
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do. And as an average earning worker I am happy to 3p in the pound. However my only concern are the long term unemployed who have no intentions to work. Therefor surely its only fair that out of their giro 3p in the pound goes to the local authority also.
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do. And as an average earning worker I am happy to 3p in the pound. However my only concern are the long term unemployed who have no intentions to work. Therefor surely its only fair that out of their giro 3p in the pound goes to the local authority also.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 10:23am Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote]
it could be as much as 10p extra in the pound for people above a certain wage.
[/quote]
10p in the pound would mean I'd be paying over £4,000 more than I currently pay in Council Tax.
Words fail me.
it could be as much as 10p extra in the pound for people above a certain wage.
10p in the pound would mean I'd be paying over £4,000 more than I currently pay in Council Tax.
Words fail me.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 10:24am Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote]
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do
[/quote]
Who's going to subsidise everyone then?
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do
Who's going to subsidise everyone then?
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 10:31am Thu 4 Sep 08
How can the existing system be already in line with one's ability to pay? I pay a quarter of my wages in council tax!!! I am a low paid worker and single parent [OMG] shoot me and struggle to pay this unfair tax. There are 4 single men all working with fancy cars across the road from me and they are paying the same! How fair is that? As it happens I dont really give a toss cause at least I know I do pay and just get on with it unlike some of you money-grabbing moaners who have nothing better to do than resent the elderly and low paid workers getting anything that you arent. Get a life and find something better to moan about. The elderly should get everying free as they do in some other well-off countries. Stop being so blinking mean-hearted towards these people and try having some compassion for other people. It might make you lot feel better - doubt it tho!
How can the existing system be already in line with one's ability to pay? I pay a quarter of my wages in council tax!!! I am a low paid worker and single parent shoot me and struggle to pay this unfair tax. There are 4 single men all working with fancy cars across the road from me and they are paying the same! How fair is that? As it happens I dont really give a toss cause at least I know I do pay and just get on with it unlike some of you money-grabbing moaners who have nothing better to do than resent the elderly and low paid workers getting anything that you arent. Get a life and find something better to moan about. The elderly should get everying free as they do in some other well-off countries. Stop being so blinking mean-hearted towards these people and try having some compassion for other people. It might make you lot feel better - doubt it tho!
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 10:42am Thu 4 Sep 08
I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!!
I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!!
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:09am Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote][bold]tam[/bold] wrote:
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do. And as an average earning worker I am happy to 3p in the pound. However my only concern are the long term unemployed who have no intentions to work. Therefor surely its only fair that out of their giro 3p in the pound goes to the local authority also.[/quote] Im not a 'fat cat' - I dont even know if I would be better or worse off under this scheme. The point is the principle of it. Working people already prop up non working people through our income tax. And now we are expected to be the only ones paying for servics as well.
This is a second tax on working, not on living in Scotland - as plenty of people who live in Scotland will be happy to use the services and not pay the tax - again.
tam wrote:
I say let the fat cats move out if thats what they want to do. And as an average earning worker I am happy to 3p in the pound. However my only concern are the long term unemployed who have no intentions to work. Therefor surely its only fair that out of their giro 3p in the pound goes to the local authority also.
Im not a 'fat cat' - I dont even know if I would be better or worse off under this scheme. The point is the principle of it. Working people already prop up non working people through our income tax. And now we are expected to be the only ones paying for servics as well.
This is a second tax on working, not on living in Scotland - as plenty of people who live in Scotland will be happy to use the services and not pay the tax - again.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:12am Thu 4 Sep 08
Misty - as a 'low paid worker' do you not feel just as aggrieved as 'high paid workers' that you are being taxed a second time for bothering to have a job, while those who dont bother get everything for nothing again?
It is a tax on WORKING.
Misty - as a 'low paid worker' do you not feel just as aggrieved as 'high paid workers' that you are being taxed a second time for bothering to have a job, while those who dont bother get everything for nothing again?
It is a tax on WORKING.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 11:24am Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote:
I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!! [/quote] Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)
misty wrote:
I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!!
Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 12:02pm Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote: I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!! [/quote] Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)[/quote] OOOOOHHHH......Guess what I did and I have many qualifications and skills. My low paid job is helping children and I do voluntary work also. There are somethings that are more rewarding that a fat pay cheque, been there, done it. Plus I smile all the time!!! How about you.
Bob Millar wrote:
misty wrote: I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!!
Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)
OOOOOHHHH......Guess what I did and I have many qualifications and skills. My low paid job is helping children and I do voluntary work also. There are somethings that are more rewarding that a fat pay cheque, been there, done it. Plus I smile all the time!!! How about you.
Posted by: Bob Millar, Shawlands on 12:53pm Thu 4 Sep 08
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bob Millar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote: I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!! [/quote] Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)[/quote] OOOOOHHHH......Guess what I did and I have many qualifications and skills. My low paid job is helping children and I do voluntary work also. There are somethings that are more rewarding that a fat pay cheque, been there, done it. Plus I smile all the time!!! How about you.[/quote] Fair enough, but don't bleat on about money.
If you don't earn enough, go and find a job that earns enough.
However, you say you have "qualifications and skills" yet you choose to do a morally satisfying, but low paid job.
And under these new proposals, you wont pay as much as a higher earner.
So you could [bold]earn[/bold] more but you choose not to.
Conversely, I could [bold]pay[/bold] more, but I'll be choosing not to either ;-)
misty wrote:
Bob Millar wrote: misty wrote: I just about earn 4000!!! - words fail me too!!! I'm off to Malawi so I can find the true meaning of "words fail me"!!!
Should've paid more attention at school then ;-)
OOOOOHHHH......Guess what I did and I have many qualifications and skills. My low paid job is helping children and I do voluntary work also. There are somethings that are more rewarding that a fat pay cheque, been there, done it. Plus I smile all the time!!! How about you.
Fair enough, but don't bleat on about money.
If you don't earn enough, go and find a job that earns enough.
However, you say you have "qualifications and skills" yet you choose to do a morally satisfying, but low paid job.
And under these new proposals, you wont pay as much as a higher earner.
So you could
earn more but you choose not to.
Conversely, I could
pay more, but I'll be choosing not to either ;-)
Posted by: www.oilofscotland.or
g, www.oilofscotland.or
g on 12:19am Fri 5 Sep 08
[bold]Congratulations to the SNP for proposing a effective policies based on common sense.[/bold] Common sense being an attribute sadly lacking in unionist policy makers?
[bold]1. Secretly moving Scotland's marine borders in 1999[/bold]
[bold]2.Keeping reports into the Scotland Oil Rich "Europe's third wealthiest nation" Economy TOP SECRET for over 30 years since 1974.[/bold]
[bold]3. Overturning a democratic decision 52% said yes to devolution in 1979 Westminster said NO despite Scottish MPs voting 43 to 19 against repeal.[/bold]
These are three good examples of illegal non democratic policies of Westminster that lacked common sense.
In 2010 these policies will slap Westminster in the face.
When the Scottish people claim their current £11,574 a SECOND - £32 MILLION a DAY -
£1 BILLION a MONTH - £12 BILLION a YEAR. NORTH SEA OIL WEALTH
Scotland must stop diluting their wealth by more than 12/1, as at moment the Scottish people do not even get what the in accurate Westminster GERS reports says we should get?
With sensible politician, who know what they want and all agree on their policy like those in the SNP. The Scottish people have a really good chance of governing themselves and controlling their destiny. Whilst making a much needed impression on World Politcs with an unheard Scottish Voice.
[bold]http://www.oilofscot
land .org[/bold] for full details and statistics.
Congratulations to the SNP for proposing a effective policies based on common sense. Common sense being an attribute sadly lacking in unionist policy makers?
1. Secretly moving Scotland's marine borders in 1999
2.Keeping reports into the Scotland Oil Rich "Europe's third wealthiest nation" Economy TOP SECRET for over 30 years since 1974.
3. Overturning a democratic decision 52% said yes to devolution in 1979 Westminster said NO despite Scottish MPs voting 43 to 19 against repeal.
These are three good examples of illegal non democratic policies of Westminster that lacked common sense.
In 2010 these policies will slap Westminster in the face.
When the Scottish people claim their current £11,574 a SECOND - £32 MILLION a DAY -
£1 BILLION a MONTH - £12 BILLION a YEAR. NORTH SEA OIL WEALTH
Scotland must stop diluting their wealth by more than 12/1, as at moment the Scottish people do not even get what the in accurate Westminster GERS reports says we should get?
With sensible politician, who know what they want and all agree on their policy like those in the SNP. The Scottish people have a really good chance of governing themselves and controlling their destiny. Whilst making a much needed impression on World Politcs with an unheard Scottish Voice.
http://www.oilofscot
land .org for full details and statistics.
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