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40 traders in protest over Paddy’s axe
 
Traders from Paddy's Market staged a protest today over plans to evict them from the site.<br>Picture: Nick Ponty
Traders from Paddy's Market staged a protest today over plans to evict them from the site.
Picture: Nick Ponty
 

by Iain Lundy

ANGRY traders from Paddy's Market demonstrated outside Glasgow City Chambers today in protest at council plans to evict them.

They hope to force councillors into changing their minds and allowing them to continue selling goods at the railway arches in Shipbank Lane.

Around 40 protesters held placards saying: "Say Yes to Paddy's" and "Labour is the Crime".

A number of opposition councillors, including the SNP's Billy McAllister, joined the protesters.

Mr McAllister said he and his colleagues were going to argue for Paddy's to remain open on the basis it was part of the city's "tradition and culture".

The premises, near the Merchant City, has housed the market since 1870, but councillors say it is now run down and "crime-ridden".

Today's Executive Committee meeting will be discussing plans to take over the £100,000-a-year lease of Shipbank lane from owner Network Rail.

Former trader Michael Taplin, 55, was among those outside the City Chambers.

He said he and his mother before him had run a stall in the market.

Mr Taplin said: "The people at the market are not getting justice, they are the ones being victimised.

"The market has been in Glasgow for more than 100 years and it is now more relevant than ever. "It is a way of life for a lot of people."

Trader Hazel McGeachin said: "We are willing to work with the council, we don't want put out.

"We are not the criminals, we don't condone the crime. The traders don't cause the problems."

Trader Brian Daly, whose grandmother set up a clothing stall there, said: "We recognise that there have been problems with Paddy's.

"In many cases we have been trying to highlight these issues ourselves. But the majority of us are law-abiding citizens who are trying to make a living in these tough times.

"For a Labour administration to turn its back on Paddy's, which has been a feature of Glasgow working class life for 150 years, and which is recognised the world over, is a disgrace."

SNP councillor Craig Mackay said he would be supporting the traders.

He added: "Legitimate businesses in Paddy's provide employment for a significant number of people and it is not the council's job to put these out of business.

"Traders must be given the opportunity to negotiate new sub-lets with the council before their leases with Network Rail are terminated.

"This way they could remain in their premises rather than being turfed out on the street."

Publication date 12/09/08

Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 11:07am Fri 12 Sep 08
And it looks like we can add another attempted murder to that tally... Shut it down now.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 12:30pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Pete, you must be a Labour councillor. This incident, in an open public place, happened at 17.45 . Paddy's Market operates from 7.30 to 14.00 . So how do you conclude that it's the fault of Paddy's Market that this happened? It like saying if the same thing happened in Buchanan Street, the Buchanan Galleries would need to close. This is the kind of warped illogic that is costing 80 people their livelihoods. Shame on you.
Posted by: newbie, Glasgow on 12:35pm Fri 12 Sep 08
If there are 80 people working there, why did only 40 show up? Or were there more than that? 50% of the people protesting doesn't show overwhelming support...
Posted by: Joe Shmo, Glasgow on 12:38pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Pete, your a moron. Is there not some hostel round the corner from it as well. The crimes are nowt to do with the stall holders. I'm sure when they've knocked it down and built some 'luxury' property. these criminals will go away. NOT! - passed by a 'luxury' flat in clyde street that had a sign on the entrance warning about junkies using the close for shooting up. This si the city we live in. Not paddys markets fault but the people who run the city i'm afraid.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 12:43pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Newbie, somebody has to mind the shop obviously! Livings still have to be made. Another case of warped illogic and misinformation unfortunately.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 12:43pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Newbie, somebody has to mind the shop obviously! Livings still have to be made. Another case of warped illogic and misinformation unfortunately.
Posted by: newbie, Glasgow on 12:50pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Tony wrote:
Newbie, somebody has to mind the shop obviously! Livings still have to be made. Another case of warped illogic and misinformation unfortunately.
According to the story on the attempted murder:"Police have sealed off the area, home to Paddy's Market, following last night's attack in which the man suffered serious head injuries."
So would it not have been shut anyway so the remaining people could have joined in the protest. Or was it in fact opened for business as usual?

Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 12:53pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Try and run this whole argument past the guy who got beaten up on Shipbank Lane the other night. That is just going to fuel the council's argument even more that Paddy's has got to go.....

Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 12:53pm Fri 12 Sep 08
newbie wrote:
If there are 80 people working there, why did only 40 show up? Or were there more than that? 50% of the people protesting doesn't show overwhelming support...
So using your logic a couple of hundred thousand anti-war protesters dont represent the country why then do they not except that no one is interested in them,and the right decision was made!.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 12:55pm Fri 12 Sep 08
I passed by and it was open as usual. Looks like the police were super-efficient in processing the scene. But it comes back to the point that information has to be taken in context not by mere association and jumping to erroneous conclusions
Posted by: newbie, Glasgow on 1:02pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Tony wrote:
I passed by and it was open as usual. Looks like the police were super-efficient in processing the scene. But it comes back to the point that information has to be taken in context not by mere association and jumping to erroneous conclusions
Oh well, looks like I am wrong then, doesn't it. Suppose someone did have to look after the business. I'm not too proud to admit I got it wrong.
Posted by: Seymour Hope, Glasgow on 1:30pm Fri 12 Sep 08
The place is still a tacky mess and needs regenerating. The legitimate traders should be givenm the opportunity to trade somewhere else untill tyhe area is improved
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 1:38pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Seymour Hope wrote:
The place is still a tacky mess and needs regenerating. The legitimate traders should be givenm the opportunity to trade somewhere else untill tyhe area is improved
Regeneration can be phased, and traders can remain in situ. It should be remembered that the legitimate traders advocate improvements. I noticed that since the New Year every arch in Shipbank Lane has been stripped out internally and refitted. Whether this was window dressing by Network Rail to make it look better for the Council is another matter. It's the exterior that needs a facelift. But that needn't stop trading. Bit like saying, sorry you need to get out of your house as we're going to paint your windaes!
Posted by: Brad on 1:39pm Fri 12 Sep 08
newbie wrote:
Tony wrote: I passed by and it was open as usual. Looks like the police were super-efficient in processing the scene. But it comes back to the point that information has to be taken in context not by mere association and jumping to erroneous conclusions
Oh well, looks like I am wrong then, doesn't it. Suppose someone did have to look after the business. I'm not too proud to admit I got it wrong.
Well done , Newbie, you're a breath of fresh air on this forum!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:42pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Tony wrote:
Pete, you must be a Labour councillor. This incident, in an open public place, happened at 17.45 . Paddy's Market operates from 7.30 to 14.00 . So how do you conclude that it's the fault of Paddy's Market that this happened? It like saying if the same thing happened in Buchanan Street, the Buchanan Galleries would need to close. This is the kind of warped illogic that is costing 80 people their livelihoods. Shame on you.
I'm very far from being a labour councillor, thanks. Point is: the whole area there is riddled with crime - from drugs to the selling of counterfeit goods ( by stall holders, seemingly acceptable on these pages but both feed organised crime in the end) - and crime just breeds more crime. It doesn't matter whether it's 13.35 or 14.17. The area needs to change. Also need to shut down that Salvation Army hostel - that's a den too. Not a nimby thing, but there's an absolute problem with the governance of that place. I've worked with people who would rather sleep rough than take their chances in there.

No-one is saying that an assault is anything to do with the stall holders. That's taking my argument to an absurd level, but if it suits you to make that leap to fuel your opinion, then whatever.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 3:55pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Pete wrote:
Tony wrote:
Pete, you must be a Labour councillor. This incident, in an open public place, happened at 17.45 . Paddy's Market operates from 7.30 to 14.00 . So how do you conclude that it's the fault of Paddy's Market that this happened? It like saying if the same thing happened in Buchanan Street, the Buchanan Galleries would need to close. This is the kind of warped illogic that is costing 80 people their livelihoods. Shame on you.
I'm very far from being a labour councillor, thanks. Point is: the whole area there is riddled with crime - from drugs to the selling of counterfeit goods ( by stall holders, seemingly acceptable on these pages but both feed organised crime in the end) - and crime just breeds more crime. It doesn't matter whether it's 13.35 or 14.17. The area needs to change. Also need to shut down that Salvation Army hostel - that's a den too. Not a nimby thing, but there's an absolute problem with the governance of that place. I've worked with people who would rather sleep rough than take their chances in there.

No-one is saying that an assault is anything to do with the stall holders. That's taking my argument to an absurd level, but if it suits you to make that leap to fuel your opinion, then whatever.
The whole of Glasgow city centre is riddled with crime. It has been mentioned in this forum and rep
orted in the ET before that Glasgow Central Station has the biggest crime statistics in the city.

Everyone accepts (including the Paddy's Market stallholders) that the area has to change. But I can tell you that there isn't one stallholder in Paddy's Market who deals in drugs. Yes, there is drug dealing in the locality thanks to the presence of Hope House. But, here's a crucial question......where'
s the polis in all this? Do drug dealers get arrested and taken off the streets? And the last people who dealt in dodgy DVD's in Paddy's got put in jail if I remeber rightly. I've not seen any more of that activity on my visits to the place. As for governance, the traders seem to be a close knit bunch who have been seemingly frustrated in their efforts to try and rid the locality of the junkies and dealers. It is the traders who clean up every day, not the council. Closure isn't a solution, tackling crime is.
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 4:07pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Paddy's Market is an eyesoar the city can do without.

There is no need for this type of market in the city centre. There are plenty of car boot sales now.

In the old days the market served a purpose for the hawkers to sell their goods. They carried them in big bundles on their backs to paddy's market. Those days are passed now and in the past they must remain

I voted SNP and surprised the SNP supports this eyesoar. Without is the whole area could be opened up and create many more jobs. We need a thriving River City down there.

PS I would also support a relocation of the Barras
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:19pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Tony, I agree with most of what you are saying - however, with regards the analogy that Glasgow Central Station should therefore be closed down as it has the biggest crime statistics in the city; while this area has the highest crime numbers, it also has a much larger number of people through its streets... possibly the largest in the city? Inevitably, it would have a larger crime statistics.

I don't think the argument would hold up if you take the crime in relation to public footfall through the area.
Posted by: Caine, Glasgow on 5:04pm Fri 12 Sep 08
I read all the comments with some interest, I can only say I look forward to the Barras, Blochairn, and Polmadie also being closed if crime is a main factor, these places are riddle with counterfeit goods and criminality. As for drugs and robbery, as someone else has said, Central Station should go. It is sad to see our lovely city being turned into a derelict landscape of corporate builds and fascia that are totally in appropriate. I guess the traders don't fit into the plans of regeneration, and that is it, to tar them with the brush of criminality is wrong. If a heroin dealer lives next door to you, it does not make you a bad person or a dealer, to extend this courtesy to the people of Paddy's would be nice.
Posted by: Dubeveningtimesreade r, Dublin on 5:46pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Hear, Hear Caine!
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 6:42pm Fri 12 Sep 08
Most major cities in the world have markets, some of them akin to the 'Paddy's' type.
For those who don't actually visit Paddy's Market, let me tell you that the goods on sale can be bought almost anywhere. The actual thrill is in visiting a flea market to get the character and local colour of bygone days.

Can I float an idea? Why don't we allow stallholders to use the Clydeside at Glasgow Green near the old Templeton's carpet factory/museum area.

A tented stall market would attract many people and the stallholders would probably do more business. Those stallholders who sell second hand stuff would probably be better off at The Barras anyway.

Glasgow needs its characters...and its markets!
Posted by: Akasha, Glasgow on 7:29pm Fri 12 Sep 08
The problem with paddy's is it is an eyesore and also it's location. Also I have witnessed first hand people freely taking drugs there and other less than desirable things going on.

While it is traditional to have markets it is not traditional to have drug taking and crime happening at them, this is not the reason that they were established after all.

The most sensible soulution would be to relocate it and allow the area to be regenerated, after all the rest of the riverside is being regenerated and this area sticks out becuase it is shabby and rundown and badly in need of improvement.
Posted by: lavalamp, coatbridge on 8:22pm Fri 12 Sep 08
WOWEEE 40 Protesters the other 40 must have been signing on at the Buroo or had an appearance at the Glasgow district court(again).Let the rest of Glasgow pander to the request of 40 moronic neds...I DONT THINK SO..
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 8:38pm Fri 12 Sep 08
did i hear that the gcc did not want anything of an eyesore to be noticeably visible while the comonwealth games are being held there?, maybe that is why the slum landlords are being rooted out, i mean does the gcc really give a care what state glasgow is in? c,mon lets not kid ourselves....power is everything, even to the case of the go ape scandal(it still belongs to the glasgow residents and the 'powers that be'have taken advantage,...scandal
ous.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 8:40pm Fri 12 Sep 08
WONDER IF THE COUNCIL HIRED TWO GOONS TO BEAT SOMEONE UP FOR SOME MORE BAD PUBLICITY.

t,i,c
Posted by: lavalamp, coatbridge on 8:56pm Fri 12 Sep 08
tam-m wrote:
WONDER IF THE COUNCIL HIRED TWO GOONS TO BEAT SOMEONE UP FOR SOME MORE BAD PUBLICITY. t,i,c
What colour is the moon in your world...EEJIT
Posted by: Blind.hippy, ayrshire on 9:25pm Fri 12 Sep 08
ive been using paddys since a very young lad i left glasgow when i waqs 17 came back to scotland when i was losing my sight and i still go to paddys with me wife as we on benefits.and its a help to go there and get me boots there that cost £45 in army navy shops i ge then there fur aboot 15 to 20 quid so ok paddys have its undesirables but no one has said that the guy who got attacked could be a junkie. or some one from the hostel.and if it wasnt for hostels you would have more poor feckers sleeping on the streets and i would like to say respect to the sally army whos hostel it is they try there best so good one to the sally army.anyway lets hope paddys gets what it wants. and regarding undesirables at paddys you get that on every inner citty cooncil estate drugs junkies alchys neds roaming the streets id every time ive been to paddys ive felt safe but not if you go to any inner city estate. lets hope things get sorted oot fur the sake of those who are paddys life and soul and they get what they want { SAVE PADDYS MARKET }
Posted by: lavalamp, coatbridge on 9:53pm Fri 12 Sep 08
GET RID OF PADDYS thats what the majority want
Posted by: Jules, EK on 10:19am Sat 13 Sep 08
a drug ridden ned filled midden and a place for their apologists... move on now !.........
Posted by: charles craig, sarasota on 4:44pm Sat 13 Sep 08
McAllister says this dump is part of Glasgow's CULTURE .Is he a moron? Does he know what the word means ?.
Posted by: tam-m, southside on 6:08pm Sat 13 Sep 08
lavalamp wrote:
tam-m wrote:
WONDER IF THE COUNCIL HIRED TWO GOONS TO BEAT SOMEONE UP FOR SOME MORE BAD PUBLICITY. t,i,c
What colour is the moon in your world...EEJIT
t,i,c = tongue in cheek.
or since you are from coatbridge and not that bright it means not to be taken seriously.

as for the moon in my world it is in perfect harmony with my life thanks.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 10:09pm Sat 13 Sep 08
charles craig wrote:
McAllister says this dump is part of Glasgow's CULTURE .Is he a moron? Does he know what the word means ?.
I would say that Billy McAllister is a cognisant politician, attuned to the needs of Glaswegians, unlike those second-rate, vain, self-promoting eejits from the Labour party. There's only one moron here Mr Craig......go look in a mirror and you'll see him in the flesh.......that is, if the mirror doesn't crack first!!
Posted by: GG, G15 on 1:45pm Sun 14 Sep 08
Ronnie Cee wrote:
Most major cities in the world have markets, some of them akin to the 'Paddy's' type. For those who don't actually visit Paddy's Market, let me tell you that the goods on sale can be bought almost anywhere. The actual thrill is in visiting a flea market to get the character and local colour of bygone days. Can I float an idea? Why don't we allow stallholders to use the Clydeside at Glasgow Green near the old Templeton's carpet factory/museum area. A tented stall market would attract many people and the stallholders would probably do more business. Those stallholders who sell second hand stuff would probably be better off at The Barras anyway. Glasgow needs its characters...and its markets!
Totally agree with you about Glasgow Needing
its characters...and its markets!

However, when it comes to anyone being
better off at The Barras

then I have to Disagree.

Over this past decade, as in many other famous street markets across the UK, rents for stalls in The Barras have risen steeply, pretty much in relation to land and housing prices, making them way beyond the reach of Almost anyone considering dealing in 2nd hand Anything
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 10:30am Mon 15 Sep 08
Not to worry - there is a roaring trade in setting up pound shops in Argyle Street and Trongate.....that could be lucrative thing for these traders to get into LOL.
Posted by: badboy, glasgow on 4:18pm Mon 15 Sep 08
forget Gordon Brown Lavalamp for Prime Minister
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 2:09am Tue 16 Sep 08
With purcell and Ryans involvement in the whole affair you can clearly see it is or was(pre slump) going to be sold of to a housing developer or mall builder.

They both got their fingers burnt in Glasgow East by that.
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