Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:13am Wed 17 Sep 08
This is a classic effect of [bold]New Labour greed and corruption[/bold]: destroy the lives of honest, hard-working positive contributors to communities, while ensuring multi-millionaires can pay less tax than their cleaners.
As for the [bold]imbecilic rant[/bold] from the slow-witted council mouthpiece:
[quote]"However, changes are necessary to combat the high levels of crime, problems in waste management, and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors."[/quote]
Let's close Central Station then shall we dafty? The area around the station is far more violent and anti-social than around an out-of-the-way market which opens for a few hours a day!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The Darling of Glasgow's economic forecasters![/italic]
This is a classic effect of
New Labour greed and corruption: destroy the lives of honest, hard-working positive contributors to communities, while ensuring multi-millionaires can pay less tax than their cleaners.
As for the
imbecilic rant from the slow-witted council mouthpiece:
"However, changes are necessary to combat the high levels of crime, problems in waste management, and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors."
Let's close Central Station then shall we dafty? The area around the station is far more violent and anti-social than around an out-of-the-way market which opens for a few hours a day!
--
Sydney Meriwether
The Darling of Glasgow's economic forecasters! Posted by: albertz78, city center on 11:14am Wed 17 Sep 08
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder"
Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors"
No? thought not.
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder"
Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors"
No? thought not.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:33am Wed 17 Sep 08
My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing. [bold]Support Paddy's Market[/bold] .
My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing.
Support Paddy's Market .
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 11:33am Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]albertz78[/bold] wrote:
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder" Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors" No? thought not.[/quote] These are probably the combined figures for the city centre because how can you have 29 robberies, they say its the people in paddies that are the robbers,are they reporting themselves and the 268 breaches thats the ones on a friday sat, night when the dafties fall out the clubs drunk,and the 314 drug offences were these drugs found in this market i think not.
albertz78 wrote:
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder" Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors" No? thought not.
These are probably the combined figures for the city centre because how can you have 29 robberies, they say its the people in paddies that are the robbers,are they reporting themselves and the 268 breaches thats the ones on a friday sat, night when the dafties fall out the clubs drunk,and the 314 drug offences were these drugs found in this market i think not.
Posted by: albertz78, city center on 11:57am Wed 17 Sep 08
Thanks Spamalot,dividing these numbers by 52 weeks would probably be about right for that immediate vicinity, however,how many of the reported offences occur outwith the opening hours of the market.It would probably be quite shocking to see the statistics for the city center as a whole.
Thanks Spamalot,dividing these numbers by 52 weeks would probably be about right for that immediate vicinity, however,how many of the reported offences occur outwith the opening hours of the market.It would probably be quite shocking to see the statistics for the city center as a whole.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 12:07pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]albertz78[/bold] wrote:
Thanks Spamalot,dividing these numbers by 52 weeks would probably be about right for that immediate vicinity, however,how many of the reported offences occur outwith the opening hours of the market.It would probably be quite shocking to see the statistics for the city center as a whole.[/quote] You would expect the figures for 2007/2008 to be quoted,are they hiding them as they maybe better than these old ones,and you would think the police would have cleaned up the city since 2005.
albertz78 wrote:
Thanks Spamalot,dividing these numbers by 52 weeks would probably be about right for that immediate vicinity, however,how many of the reported offences occur outwith the opening hours of the market.It would probably be quite shocking to see the statistics for the city center as a whole.
You would expect the figures for 2007/2008 to be quoted,are they hiding them as they maybe better than these old ones,and you would think the police would have cleaned up the city since 2005.
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 12:14pm Wed 17 Sep 08
I can tell you about the crime figures - over 50% of them are out side of market trading hours - the only reason the recorded crime figures for the in-hours trading are so high is that the traders report crimes as and when they see them happening in the market themselves. I have seen police stand there and blatently watch drug dealers do business openly and they just do nothing. Even when they are searching and questioning the suspects they are over friendly and jovial with them - its a disgrace. The police even tell the druggies who has reported them - this then means that the traders are often targetted with reprisals from the druggies.
Anyone spending half an hour watching what goes on down there can see that it is not the traders but the drug dealers and police who are to blame! Hope House adjacent to Paddy's is a hotbed of criminality which overflows into Shipbank Lane because they know the police will do nothing - not in broad daylight!
As for GCC comment regarding the waste disposal - anyone going into Shipbank Lane when the market closes each day will see every trader sweeping up and disposing of the refuse in the designated trade refuse skips at each end of the Lane. The Lane is spotless when they leave it!
The council workmen stand around doing nothing aside from drinking cups of tea and chatting in groups amongst themselves next to their bin lorry - go along there at 1.30pm on a weekday and you will see all of this for yourselves
I can tell you about the crime figures - over 50% of them are out side of market trading hours - the only reason the recorded crime figures for the in-hours trading are so high is that the traders report crimes as and when they see them happening in the market themselves. I have seen police stand there and blatently watch drug dealers do business openly and they just do nothing. Even when they are searching and questioning the suspects they are over friendly and jovial with them - its a disgrace. The police even tell the druggies who has reported them - this then means that the traders are often targetted with reprisals from the druggies.
Anyone spending half an hour watching what goes on down there can see that it is not the traders but the drug dealers and police who are to blame! Hope House adjacent to Paddy's is a hotbed of criminality which overflows into Shipbank Lane because they know the police will do nothing - not in broad daylight!
As for GCC comment regarding the waste disposal - anyone going into Shipbank Lane when the market closes each day will see every trader sweeping up and disposing of the refuse in the designated trade refuse skips at each end of the Lane. The Lane is spotless when they leave it!
The council workmen stand around doing nothing aside from drinking cups of tea and chatting in groups amongst themselves next to their bin lorry - go along there at 1.30pm on a weekday and you will see all of this for yourselves
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 12:58pm Wed 17 Sep 08
We all know where the crime is housed, only a few metres away. Not stating that all those who live in that particular hostel be criminals, drunks or drug users. In passing you might believe that only the feckless criminality of life live there.
We all know where the crime is housed, only a few metres away. Not stating that all those who live in that particular hostel be criminals, drunks or drug users. In passing you might believe that only the feckless criminality of life live there.
Posted by: sadsack, glasgow on 1:28pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]albertz78[/bold] wrote:
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder" Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors" No? thought not.[/quote] As a person living practically next door to paddys i see a lot of the bother that goes on arround the area Most occur well after paddy's has closed. Paddy's can't be blemed for the ares ills just look arround and you see a High Court, homeless handout shops, the big issue office and the homeless shelter on clyde st where glasgows undesirables are housed, not to mention the fact local pubs are open from 8-30 AM.
Anyone who goes to paddy;s or the saltmarket area will always see a constant stream of police to and from the High Court could not they take a turn down the lane on the way EYES OPEN of course make the so called criminals up sticks and at no extra cost to the police budget simply because they are going that way anyway and that way would see Paddy's survive
albertz78 wrote:
" In 2005-6,there were 314 drug possesion cases,268 breaches of the peace,29 robberies,96 thefts,89 assaults,46 cases of police assault and resisting arrest and one attempted murder" Could we please see the crime statistics for areas such as Sauchiehall St. and Buchanan St. and if they are comparable will the GCC implement changes necessary to combat "levels of crime, problems in waste management,and anti-social behaviour impacting on residents and visitors" No? thought not.
As a person living practically next door to paddys i see a lot of the bother that goes on arround the area Most occur well after paddy's has closed. Paddy's can't be blemed for the ares ills just look arround and you see a High Court, homeless handout shops, the big issue office and the homeless shelter on clyde st where glasgows undesirables are housed, not to mention the fact local pubs are open from 8-30 AM.
Anyone who goes to paddy;s or the saltmarket area will always see a constant stream of police to and from the High Court could not they take a turn down the lane on the way EYES OPEN of course make the so called criminals up sticks and at no extra cost to the police budget simply because they are going that way anyway and that way would see Paddy's survive
Posted by: sadsack, glasgow on 1:34pm Wed 17 Sep 08
to cee your bang on mate i see the place every day at about 2pm and it is spotless
to cee your bang on mate i see the place every day at about 2pm and it is spotless
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:18pm Wed 17 Sep 08
Yup this just further proof that Glasgow City Council are hell bent on further rolling out the neoliberal policies of New Labour. The position taken by bams like Sydney M is only part of the picture that has enabled these profit hungry goons to get their own way
Yup this just further proof that Glasgow City Council are hell bent on further rolling out the neoliberal policies of New Labour. The position taken by bams like Sydney M is only part of the picture that has enabled these profit hungry goons to get their own way
Posted by: shiresboy, Bothwell on 2:22pm Wed 17 Sep 08
I have forwarded this onto Mr Purcells email address as he ( and others ) need to know that there is still a strength of feeling about this issue. As happens in most cases at Castle Greyskull, once an issue has hit the ET, or the Herald, caused a cerfuffal, they just entrench and wait for people to forget about it. Not in this case! The views expressed on this matter are 99% spot on. You do have the "NIMBY" problem of Hope House but there could be checks and balances put in place for people residing in that hostel if they are found to be flouting laws and involved in antisocial behaviour. Caught out by the polis so many times?- lose the hostel place - i m well aware that may be seen to move the problem to another place but if this is the case, there should be remedies put in place from third party organisations to help those people with issues. Times have changed but there is still a place for Paddys in Glasgow - I ve used the cafe in the article on innumerous occasions on way to work and relished the chaos element to the clientelle!! We lose it and the traders and patrons associated with it at our peril- We'll turn into Edinburgh!!!!
I have forwarded this onto Mr Purcells email address as he ( and others ) need to know that there is still a strength of feeling about this issue. As happens in most cases at Castle Greyskull, once an issue has hit the ET, or the Herald, caused a cerfuffal, they just entrench and wait for people to forget about it. Not in this case! The views expressed on this matter are 99% spot on. You do have the "NIMBY" problem of Hope House but there could be checks and balances put in place for people residing in that hostel if they are found to be flouting laws and involved in antisocial behaviour. Caught out by the polis so many times?- lose the hostel place - i m well aware that may be seen to move the problem to another place but if this is the case, there should be remedies put in place from third party organisations to help those people with issues. Times have changed but there is still a place for Paddys in Glasgow - I ve used the cafe in the article on innumerous occasions on way to work and relished the chaos element to the clientelle!! We lose it and the traders and patrons associated with it at our peril- We'll turn into Edinburgh!!!!
Posted by: bobrus, Glasgow on 3:33pm Wed 17 Sep 08
Get over it, things change, businesses go bust, if the cafe is that good relocate nearby, i`m sure all the customers who love it shall turn up.
Get over it, things change, businesses go bust, if the cafe is that good relocate nearby, i`m sure all the customers who love it shall turn up.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 5:37pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]shiresboy[/bold] wrote:
I have forwarded this onto Mr Purcells email address as he ( and others ) need to know that there is still a strength of feeling about this issue. As happens in most cases at Castle Greyskull, once an issue has hit the ET, or the Herald, caused a cerfuffal, they just entrench and wait for people to forget about it. Not in this case! The views expressed on this matter are 99% spot on. You do have the "NIMBY" problem of Hope House but there could be checks and balances put in place for people residing in that hostel if they are found to be flouting laws and involved in antisocial behaviour. Caught out by the polis so many times?- lose the hostel place - i m well aware that may be seen to move the problem to another place but if this is the case, there should be remedies put in place from third party organisations to help those people with issues. Times have changed but there is still a place for Paddys in Glasgow - I ve used the cafe in the article on innumerous occasions on way to work and relished the chaos element to the clientelle!! We lose it and the traders and patrons associated with it at our peril- We'll turn into Edinburgh!!!![/quote] dont work in the fiscals office by any chance,??? could you give me purcells email thanking you
shiresboy wrote:
I have forwarded this onto Mr Purcells email address as he ( and others ) need to know that there is still a strength of feeling about this issue. As happens in most cases at Castle Greyskull, once an issue has hit the ET, or the Herald, caused a cerfuffal, they just entrench and wait for people to forget about it. Not in this case! The views expressed on this matter are 99% spot on. You do have the "NIMBY" problem of Hope House but there could be checks and balances put in place for people residing in that hostel if they are found to be flouting laws and involved in antisocial behaviour. Caught out by the polis so many times?- lose the hostel place - i m well aware that may be seen to move the problem to another place but if this is the case, there should be remedies put in place from third party organisations to help those people with issues. Times have changed but there is still a place for Paddys in Glasgow - I ve used the cafe in the article on innumerous occasions on way to work and relished the chaos element to the clientelle!! We lose it and the traders and patrons associated with it at our peril- We'll turn into Edinburgh!!!!
dont work in the fiscals office by any chance,??? could you give me purcells email thanking you
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 8:07pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[bold]www.savepaddys.org and remember to sign the petition![/bold]
www.savepaddys.org and remember to sign the petition! Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 8:08pm Wed 17 Sep 08
Be honest it is a den as with the barras the police have lost control.
Be honest it is a den as with the barras the police have lost control.
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 8:17pm Wed 17 Sep 08
There you go Spamalot - you can get contact details of all councillors on the GCC website - not the easiest contact details to find on the site (how surprising is that?).....
steven.purcell@counc
illors.glasgow.gov.u
k
gordon.matheson@coun
cillors.glasgow.gov.
uk
george.ryan@councill
ors.glasgow.gov.uk
There you go Spamalot - you can get contact details of all councillors on the GCC website - not the easiest contact details to find on the site (how surprising is that?).....
steven.purcell@counc
illors.glasgow.gov.u
k
gordon.matheson@coun
cillors.glasgow.gov.
uk
george.ryan@councill
ors.glasgow.gov.uk
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 8:25pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]cee[/bold] wrote:
There you go Spamalot - you can get contact details of all councillors on the GCC website - not the easiest contact details to find on the site (how surprising is that?)..... steven.purcell@counc illors.glasgow.gov.u k gordon.matheson@coun cillors.glasgow.gov. uk george.ryan@councill ors.glasgow.gov.uk[/quote] Cheers cee will now hit them with some facts
cee wrote:
There you go Spamalot - you can get contact details of all councillors on the GCC website - not the easiest contact details to find on the site (how surprising is that?)..... steven.purcell@counc illors.glasgow.gov.u k gordon.matheson@coun cillors.glasgow.gov. uk george.ryan@councill ors.glasgow.gov.uk
Cheers cee will now hit them with some facts
Posted by: lavalamp, coatbridge on 8:29pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing. [bold]Support Paddy's Market[/bold] .[/quote] SPAMALOT YOUR TALKING PURE MINCE,The polis have got computers now that can tell exactley were the crimes occur and at what time.... all they need is to press a button on a computer that gives them the figures.....they also employ people called crime analyists so that they can say exactly were crime is committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area,DO YOU think they are stupid enough to publish fiqures that cannot be backed up.Your just as much an EEJIT as those who are disputing the facts and fiqures.
Meep wrote:
My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing. Support Paddy's Market .
SPAMALOT YOUR TALKING PURE MINCE,The polis have got computers now that can tell exactley were the crimes occur and at what time.... all they need is to press a button on a computer that gives them the figures.....they also employ people called crime analyists so that they can say exactly were crime is committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area,DO YOU think they are stupid enough to publish fiqures that cannot be backed up.Your just as much an EEJIT as those who are disputing the facts and fiqures.
Posted by: cee, Glasgow on 8:46pm Wed 17 Sep 08
Lavalamp - you would be seriously surprised to what lengths many government agencies etc go to in order to put a bit of spin on figures - believe me, I have seen some of the highest profile organisaitons publish **** righ lies in terms of statistics - they work on the pretence that if you can't dazzle them with diamonds then just baffle them with bullsh*t!!!
Lavalamp - you would be seriously surprised to what lengths many government agencies etc go to in order to put a bit of spin on figures - believe me, I have seen some of the highest profile organisaitons publish **** righ lies in terms of statistics - they work on the pretence that if you can't dazzle them with diamonds then just baffle them with bullsh*t!!!
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 8:48pm Wed 17 Sep 08
[quote][bold]lavalamp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote: My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing. [bold]Support Paddy's Market[/bold] .[/quote] SPAMALOT YOUR TALKING PURE MINCE,The polis have got computers now that can tell exactley were the crimes occur and at what time.... all they need is to press a button on a computer that gives them the figures.....they also employ people called crime analyists so that they can say exactly were crime is committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area,DO YOU think they are stupid enough to publish fiqures that cannot be backed up.Your just as much an EEJIT as those who are disputing the facts and fiqures.[/quote] lavy brush away and boil you napper you talk a lot of s8ite the mince you wrote there is just a lot of crap,have the polis really got computers????Whats crime analyists got to do with WHERE its committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area you really are steam boats away back to your drawing board ya clown its the steets they should be policing and you tell us the figures.FOR YOUR LOW INTELLIGENCE FIGURES ARE ALWAYS MASSAGED SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?????
lavalamp wrote:
Meep wrote: My sympathies go out to Patsy. I have been in her cafe and its good value for money. I am really angry with the ET editorial's stance on Paddy's. when the country has unemployment rising and people dont have money to spare,places like Paddy's are absolutely vital to people on the poverty line. And considering poverty levels in glasgow are getting worse , the ET's stance is being seen has a very nasty and cruel attempt to kick vulnerable people when they are at their lowest. This ET campaign against Paddy's Market will be remembered as a very nasty and spiteful thing. Support Paddy's Market .
SPAMALOT YOUR TALKING PURE MINCE,The polis have got computers now that can tell exactley were the crimes occur and at what time.... all they need is to press a button on a computer that gives them the figures.....they also employ people called crime analyists so that they can say exactly were crime is committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area,DO YOU think they are stupid enough to publish fiqures that cannot be backed up.Your just as much an EEJIT as those who are disputing the facts and fiqures.
lavy brush away and boil you napper you talk a lot of s8ite the mince you wrote there is just a lot of crap,have the polis really got computers????Whats crime analyists got to do with WHERE its committed and what resources or money is required from the scottish office to police the area you really are steam boats away back to your drawing board ya clown its the steets they should be policing and you tell us the figures.FOR YOUR LOW INTELLIGENCE FIGURES ARE ALWAYS MASSAGED SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?????
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