Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 11:17am Fri 19 Sep 08
Once again the M-way has been brought to a standstill causing misery and mayhem for businesses and travellers alike.Without knowing the full facts of the accident can I suggest that the M8 Motorway be resticted to 30mph between junctions 2 and 22 at all times.
I have witnessed vehicle travelling well over the speed limit,dodging from one lane to another and I am certain that speeding plays a big part in the incidents.By restricting the traffic I estimate that it would take about 10 minutes to get through the city.Hope all involved in this shunt are ok.
Once again the M-way has been brought to a standstill causing misery and mayhem for businesses and travellers alike.Without knowing the full facts of the accident can I suggest that the M8 Motorway be resticted to 30mph between junctions 2 and 22 at all times.
I have witnessed vehicle travelling well over the speed limit,dodging from one lane to another and I am certain that speeding plays a big part in the incidents.By restricting the traffic I estimate that it would take about 10 minutes to get through the city.Hope all involved in this shunt are ok.
Posted by: Gazza, Glasgow on 11:22am Fri 19 Sep 08
I wonder what action, if any, will be taken against the vehicle that caused the spillage?
I wonder what action, if any, will be taken against the vehicle that caused the spillage?
Posted by: BeeSee on 11:45am Fri 19 Sep 08
I wonder how Sydney will manage to pin the Blame on Labour and Mr Purcell?
If ever proof was needed that the bypass will be a good thing, today may at last convince people that business and commuters need better links and roads in and around Glasgow.
I wonder how Sydney will manage to pin the Blame on Labour and Mr Purcell?
If ever proof was needed that the bypass will be a good thing, today may at last convince people that business and commuters need better links and roads in and around Glasgow.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:47am Fri 19 Sep 08
Bit of an optimist are you not Gazza ?
Whats to say the person / s responsible will ever be identified, or caught ?
The system we have in place to penalise or punish those who abuse the law is a feeble excuse for ensuring justice is served to victims of crime.
Prison does not work, fines are evaded and until we have a more realistic alternative - i.e. a boot camp, more appropriate community service activities selected by the public, or far more pro - active way of punishing people nothing will ever be learned by them to ensure they make the changes, or improvements necessary.
Bit of an optimist are you not Gazza ?
Whats to say the person / s responsible will ever be identified, or caught ?
The system we have in place to penalise or punish those who abuse the law is a feeble excuse for ensuring justice is served to victims of crime.
Prison does not work, fines are evaded and until we have a more realistic alternative - i.e. a boot camp, more appropriate community service activities selected by the public, or far more pro - active way of punishing people nothing will ever be learned by them to ensure they make the changes, or improvements necessary.
Posted by: monkeyboy, Glasgow on 11:48am Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Johnny[/bold] wrote:
Once again the M-way has been brought to a standstill causing misery and mayhem for businesses and travellers alike.Without knowing the full facts of the accident can I suggest that the M8 Motorway be resticted to 30mph between junctions 2 and 22 at all times. I have witnessed vehicle travelling well over the speed limit,dodging from one lane to another and I am certain that speeding plays a big part in the incidents.By restricting the traffic I estimate that it would take about 10 minutes to get through the city.Hope all involved in this shunt are ok.[/quote] restricted to 30mph? have you driven the M8 at rush hour - you don't often get above 30mph anyway!
The problem is we really don't have a motorway, we have a two lane dual carriageway linking Scotlands two biggest cities - and very poor public transport alternatives.
I'm tired of listenining to the green argument, the M8 needs to be widened - end of.
Johnny wrote:
Once again the M-way has been brought to a standstill causing misery and mayhem for businesses and travellers alike.Without knowing the full facts of the accident can I suggest that the M8 Motorway be resticted to 30mph between junctions 2 and 22 at all times. I have witnessed vehicle travelling well over the speed limit,dodging from one lane to another and I am certain that speeding plays a big part in the incidents.By restricting the traffic I estimate that it would take about 10 minutes to get through the city.Hope all involved in this shunt are ok.
restricted to 30mph? have you driven the M8 at rush hour - you don't often get above 30mph anyway!
The problem is we really don't have a motorway, we have a two lane dual carriageway linking Scotlands two biggest cities - and very poor public transport alternatives.
I'm tired of listenining to the green argument, the M8 needs to be widened - end of.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 11:56am Fri 19 Sep 08
Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air.
But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport.
i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes,
cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity.
Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8!
Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys.
Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present.
Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air.
But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport.
i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes,
cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity.
Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8!
Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys.
Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 12:02pm Fri 19 Sep 08
All this incident proves his how inadequate transport needs in Scotland are. Bad planning, inertia,and incompetence, have been the legacy for Scotland and glasgow especially. A message for all the monobrowed, burger chomping executive car drivers out there. This hold up is [bold][italic]nothing[/italic] [/bold] . [bold]There is much worse to come[/bold] This will be Glasgow's curse for has long as nothing is done about investing in a city wide subway sytem that covers from East Kilbride through to the north of the city. Glasgows roads are not fit for purpose and we need alternatives to road travel developed by Holyrood and its quango Transport Scotland [bold]now.[/bold]
All this incident proves his how inadequate transport needs in Scotland are. Bad planning, inertia,and incompetence, have been the legacy for Scotland and glasgow especially. A message for all the monobrowed, burger chomping executive car drivers out there. This hold up is
nothing .
There is much worse to come This will be Glasgow's curse for has long as nothing is done about investing in a city wide subway sytem that covers from East Kilbride through to the north of the city. Glasgows roads are not fit for purpose and we need alternatives to road travel developed by Holyrood and its quango Transport Scotland
now. Posted by: Albannach, Miami on 12:27pm Fri 19 Sep 08
People Power, What are you going to say when the supermarkets run out of food and petrol stations have no fuel to sell? It's Trucks that deliver them all.How is a Train going to deliver to Silverburn or South Gyle? Have you been on a train lately? The fares are an absolute disgrace!! it's cheaper to hire a car one way than travel by train to London.Regarding taxation to limit people driving,we already have it. It's called HIGH fuel prices.
People Power, What are you going to say when the supermarkets run out of food and petrol stations have no fuel to sell? It's Trucks that deliver them all.How is a Train going to deliver to Silverburn or South Gyle? Have you been on a train lately? The fares are an absolute disgrace!! it's cheaper to hire a car one way than travel by train to London.Regarding taxation to limit people driving,we already have it. It's called HIGH fuel prices.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 12:41pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Monkeyboy,Ive driven many times on the M8 and I know exactly what you mean.Im referring to the drivers who race up the wrong lanes,pull in and cause drivers behind to brake sharply.Not a good idea.I do think a blanket 30mph should be tried.It couldnt be any worse than it is at present.
Cheers.
Monkeyboy,Ive driven many times on the M8 and I know exactly what you mean.Im referring to the drivers who race up the wrong lanes,pull in and cause drivers behind to brake sharply.Not a good idea.I do think a blanket 30mph should be tried.It couldnt be any worse than it is at present.
Cheers.
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:41pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present. [/quote] Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction.
Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane.
Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations?
Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc.,
Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines......
Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.
People Power wrote:
Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present.
Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction.
Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane.
Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations?
Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc.,
Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines......
Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.
Posted by: John Kebab, Glasgow on 12:44pm Fri 19 Sep 08
This is just an unfortunate incident. Nothing more. Thankfully nobody appears to be injured. It could have been a lot worse.
One consolation for the motorists involved is that the offending vehicle (leaking the fuel) probably didn't make it to its destination on time either.....
This is just an unfortunate incident. Nothing more. Thankfully nobody appears to be injured. It could have been a lot worse.
One consolation for the motorists involved is that the offending vehicle (leaking the fuel) probably didn't make it to its destination on time either.....
Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 1:00pm Fri 19 Sep 08
maybe im being silly here but surely this was an accident so why should anyone be punished!
maybe im being silly here but surely this was an accident so why should anyone be punished!
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:00pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Perhaps now is a good time to install a system similar to the one operating on the M25 London Orbital, whereby sensors mounted on the overhead gantry automatically calculate the traffic volume/traffic speed, and flash up speed restrictions, as neccessary. It not only reduces congestion at off-ramps and slip roads, it lessens accidents. It can also be over-ridden by traffic control operators, so that an event like this one would flash up as lane / motorway closure on the overhead gantries. It would also help immensely if people stop "bunching-up" at high speeds on the motorway in the first place!
Perhaps now is a good time to install a system similar to the one operating on the M25 London Orbital, whereby sensors mounted on the overhead gantry automatically calculate the traffic volume/traffic speed, and flash up speed restrictions, as neccessary. It not only reduces congestion at off-ramps and slip roads, it lessens accidents. It can also be over-ridden by traffic control operators, so that an event like this one would flash up as lane / motorway closure on the overhead gantries. It would also help immensely if people stop "bunching-up" at high speeds on the motorway in the first place!
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 1:29pm Fri 19 Sep 08
People Power you must be a politician.
No matter what the problem is the answer is always to scam more taxes out of us without actually bothering to fix the problem.
Simple formula to cut congestion
1 No HGV's allowed to be driven in city centers during rush hour
2 Free school buses as they do in US, how much quieter are the roads during school hol's
3 Pay up for public transport thats more suitable for people than cattle.
People Power you must be a politician.
No matter what the problem is the answer is always to scam more taxes out of us without actually bothering to fix the problem.
Simple formula to cut congestion
1 No HGV's allowed to be driven in city centers during rush hour
2 Free school buses as they do in US, how much quieter are the roads during school hol's
3 Pay up for public transport thats more suitable for people than cattle.
Posted by: People Power on 1:35pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present. [/quote] Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction. Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane. Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations? Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc., Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines...... Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.[/quote]
Am just a realist who is as free as everyone else on this board to express my opinions thank you very much.
As for the ideas I suggested - I did not expect any kind of sensical approach to overcoming the problems faced.
We are all far too good at highlighting the problems, negative issues and not enough people / politicians are prepared to accept the solutions ( however hard they are to swallow!)
And, no I AM MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT A NEW 9 or old) LABOURITE.
Just, a forward thinker, who is sick of the way in which our transport & motorway (lack of) infrastructure is the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the world.
Without real investment in public transport, and tax gained to pay for it from the drivers of their larger, racey, people carrying, gas guzzling vehicles with bull bar cars.
Clearly those with the most amount of money should pay the highest taxes - whether they want to or not.
Life is not fair all of the time, and until people start to change their ways, and realise they can make an impact whether through voting, campaigning, or fighting for what they believe in - the apathy we're stifled in will destroy whats left of our democracy.
M8 or no M8 - the bigger picture of how we improve our transport - traffic infrastructure cannot be ignored any longer.
Hoof Hearted wrote:
People Power wrote: Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present.
Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction. Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane. Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations? Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc., Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines...... Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.
Am just a realist who is as free as everyone else on this board to express my opinions thank you very much.
As for the ideas I suggested - I did not expect any kind of sensical approach to overcoming the problems faced.
We are all far too good at highlighting the problems, negative issues and not enough people / politicians are prepared to accept the solutions ( however hard they are to swallow!)
And, no I AM MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT A NEW 9 or old) LABOURITE.
Just, a forward thinker, who is sick of the way in which our transport & motorway (lack of) infrastructure is the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the world.
Without real investment in public transport, and tax gained to pay for it from the drivers of their larger, racey, people carrying, gas guzzling vehicles with bull bar cars.
Clearly those with the most amount of money should pay the highest taxes - whether they want to or not.
Life is not fair all of the time, and until people start to change their ways, and realise they can make an impact whether through voting, campaigning, or fighting for what they believe in - the apathy we're stifled in will destroy whats left of our democracy.
M8 or no M8 - the bigger picture of how we improve our transport - traffic infrastructure cannot be ignored any longer.
Posted by: eastenddude, Glasgow on 1:40pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830
Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830
Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
Posted by: annie, Glasgow on 1:52pm Fri 19 Sep 08
It always amazes me that very many cities, many of which are much larger than Glasgow, manage to keep traffic flowing. Barcelona and Paris being two good examples. The difference is that neither of these cities have deliberately set out to put anti-car traffic management solutions in place. The number of ridiculous no right/left turns in this city is astonishing. There are a number of routes in the city centre where traffic now has to drive an extra mile to get to a street which just a few months ago could be turned in to. Interestingly and not surprisingly it is evident that some drivers are ignoring the signs thereby creating a further danger.
As for bus lanes and cycle lanes...just what is the point in massive tracks of road lying unused most of the time with cars, vans and lorries queing for miles spilling massive amounts of extra pollution in to the air? Effoerts have to be made to get all traffic moving, not just buses. As for the M8, a bike breaks down on there and all lanes are shut, and most of the time the overhead warnings are completely inaccurate showing lanes closed when whatever has blocked them has been removed ages before.
It always amazes me that very many cities, many of which are much larger than Glasgow, manage to keep traffic flowing. Barcelona and Paris being two good examples. The difference is that neither of these cities have deliberately set out to put anti-car traffic management solutions in place. The number of ridiculous no right/left turns in this city is astonishing. There are a number of routes in the city centre where traffic now has to drive an extra mile to get to a street which just a few months ago could be turned in to. Interestingly and not surprisingly it is evident that some drivers are ignoring the signs thereby creating a further danger.
As for bus lanes and cycle lanes...just what is the point in massive tracks of road lying unused most of the time with cars, vans and lorries queing for miles spilling massive amounts of extra pollution in to the air? Effoerts have to be made to get all traffic moving, not just buses. As for the M8, a bike breaks down on there and all lanes are shut, and most of the time the overhead warnings are completely inaccurate showing lanes closed when whatever has blocked them has been removed ages before.
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 2:03pm Fri 19 Sep 08
The company owning the vehicle should be charged the full cost of cleaning up the mess.The company should also be sued by people who missed planes,trains etc as a result of the fuel leakage. There may also be criminal charges involved. In my view it amounts to dangerous driving by this vehicle dropping diesel all over the place.
The police should be able to identify the offending vehicle from the CCTV on the M8.
The company owning the vehicle should be charged the full cost of cleaning up the mess.The company should also be sued by people who missed planes,trains etc as a result of the fuel leakage. There may also be criminal charges involved. In my view it amounts to dangerous driving by this vehicle dropping diesel all over the place.
The police should be able to identify the offending vehicle from the CCTV on the M8.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 2:05pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Stephen 976,Glasgow has a traffic management system....CITRAC.
Stephen 976,Glasgow has a traffic management system....CITRAC.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:12pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote]Firefighters were called to the scene of the diesel spill while eight cars were involved in one accident, near junction 16, at Robroyston.[/quote] Has the M80 Stepps by-pass been renamed then?? I think you still have to drive through Blackhill/Provanmill before you arrive at Robroyston.
Firefighters were called to the scene of the diesel spill while eight cars were involved in one accident, near junction 16, at Robroyston.
Has the M80 Stepps by-pass been renamed then?? I think you still have to drive through Blackhill/Provanmill before you arrive at Robroyston.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:14pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Johnny[/bold] wrote:
Stephen 976,Glasgow has a traffic management system....CITRAC.[/quote] Johnny - almost right on 2 counts.. Firstly, it's STEVEN976, not STEPHEN976.. Secondly, I think you'll find that CITRAC is a traffic MIS-management system, otherwise there would be little or no congestion on the M8!!
Johnny wrote:
Stephen 976,Glasgow has a traffic management system....CITRAC.
Johnny - almost right on 2 counts.. Firstly, it's STEVEN976, not STEPHEN976.. Secondly, I think you'll find that CITRAC is a traffic MIS-management system, otherwise there would be little or no congestion on the M8!!
Posted by: Kaz Mc, Lanarksire on 2:28pm Fri 19 Sep 08
14 accidents due to yet another diesel spillage. Motorcyclists like myself have to deal with diesel spillages everyday even more so than car / can drivers, junctions roundabouts. When will the government catch these culprits and pose harsher punishments for these thoughtless bus & truck drivers who frankly dont give a **** if they spill diesel after all its not affect them !!
14 accidents due to yet another diesel spillage. Motorcyclists like myself have to deal with diesel spillages everyday even more so than car / can drivers, junctions roundabouts. When will the government catch these culprits and pose harsher punishments for these thoughtless bus & truck drivers who frankly dont give a **** if they spill diesel after all its not affect them !!
Posted by: monkeyboy, Glasgow on 2:37pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]eastenddude[/bold] wrote:
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways. [/quote] looking for a blue peter badge?
Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads.
PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?
eastenddude wrote:
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
looking for a blue peter badge?
Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads.
PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:42pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]monkeyboy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]eastenddude[/bold] wrote: Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways. [/quote] looking for a blue peter badge? Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads. PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?[/quote] Or, charter your own private jet or helicopter!! LOL!!
monkeyboy wrote:
eastenddude wrote: Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
looking for a blue peter badge? Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads. PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?
Or, charter your own private jet or helicopter!! LOL!!
Posted by: monkeyboy, Glasgow on 2:53pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]monkeyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]eastenddude[/bold] wrote: Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways. [/quote] looking for a blue peter badge? Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads. PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?[/quote] Or, charter your own private jet or helicopter!! LOL!![/quote] Being a Stevie Ray Vaughan fan , I'll never get in a helicopter.....
steven976 wrote:
monkeyboy wrote: eastenddude wrote: Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
looking for a blue peter badge? Yeah, that's the answer - have traffic coming off motorway and clogging up side roads - I couldn't get near the M8 this morning (I was going east) due the the volume of traffic coming off west bound and trying to navigate the back roads. PS why not get the train or bus to work - why take your car at all?
Or, charter your own private jet or helicopter!! LOL!!
Being a Stevie Ray Vaughan fan , I'll never get in a helicopter.....
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 3:01pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote]Being a Stevie Ray Vaughan fan , I'll never get in a helicopter.....[/quote] Don't worry, MONKEYBOY... You'll be ok, just as long as you remember not to switch the fan off because there's a draught blowing down your neck!!
Being a Stevie Ray Vaughan fan , I'll never get in a helicopter.....
Don't worry, MONKEYBOY... You'll be ok, just as long as you remember not to switch the fan off because there's a draught blowing down your neck!!
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 3:04pm Fri 19 Sep 08
No sign of Plod turning off traffic lights and controlling traffic at busy junctions.
No sign of Plod turning off traffic lights and controlling traffic at busy junctions.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 3:07pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]eastenddude[/bold] wrote:
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways. [/quote] Smart-@rse.
eastenddude wrote:
Living in Baillieston I left for work as per normal at 0810 arrived in the city centre for 0830 Suggest people who took over 60 mins to travel the same distance look out there maps or sat navs and look at quicker better ways.
Smart-@rse.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 3:07pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Stephen976, As they say you can only p with the one youve got,weve got CITRAC.
CHEERS.
Stephen976, As they say you can only p with the one youve got,weve got CITRAC.
CHEERS.
Posted by: fatweegee, dunfermline on 3:15pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Steven976 - I take it the traffic management system (Which was based on CITRAC as was all of the UK Traffic Management systems!!) for the M25 means there is [bold]never any[/bold] congestion on that particular route!!!
Steven976 - I take it the traffic management system (Which was based on CITRAC as was all of the UK Traffic Management systems!!) for the M25 means there is
never any congestion on that particular route!!!
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 3:19pm Fri 19 Sep 08
I was wondering that myself,Stephen.
I was wondering that myself,Stephen.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:08pm Fri 19 Sep 08
JOHNNY / FATWEEGEE - Yes, there is still congestion on M25, but it's not quite as bad as before they installed all this crap... Incidentally - one drawback of the M25 system is that it measures time/distance between 2 points, so you are more likely to get caught speeding!!.. Well, somebody's got to pay for all this hi-tech stuff!!.. Might as well be the poor motorist (YET AGAIN!!)...
JOHNNY / FATWEEGEE - Yes, there is still congestion on M25, but it's not quite as bad as before they installed all this crap... Incidentally - one drawback of the M25 system is that it measures time/distance between 2 points, so you are more likely to get caught speeding!!.. Well, somebody's got to pay for all this hi-tech stuff!!.. Might as well be the poor motorist (YET AGAIN!!)...
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:10pm Fri 19 Sep 08
BTW: sorry to take sooooo long to post a response!.. Late lunch-break!!
BTW: sorry to take sooooo long to post a response!.. Late lunch-break!!
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 4:35pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Stephen976,If you are ever in Scotland,driving and in particular the M77/A77 in the Prestwick Airport you will note the average speed speed cameras installed.
Cheers.
Stephen976,If you are ever in Scotland,driving and in particular the M77/A77 in the Prestwick Airport you will note the average speed speed cameras installed.
Cheers.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:39pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Cheers for the tip-off, Johnny!!.. I'm up in Glasgow next weekend.
BTW: "cheers for the tip-off" is what the little Jewish boy said to his rabbi at his Bar Mitzvah, I believe!! LOL!!.. Have a good weekend!!
Cheers for the tip-off, Johnny!!.. I'm up in Glasgow next weekend.
BTW: "cheers for the tip-off" is what the little Jewish boy said to his rabbi at his Bar Mitzvah, I believe!! LOL!!.. Have a good weekend!!
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 5:02pm Fri 19 Sep 08
higher road and higher fuel tax thats the way to get the cars off the road and ease up the conjestion,make them pay for the pollution the create
higher road and higher fuel tax thats the way to get the cars off the road and ease up the conjestion,make them pay for the pollution the create
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 5:04pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Thats the way to dot it steve.Still getting about on the roller skates?
Thats the way to dot it steve.Still getting about on the roller skates?
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 5:16pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Roller skates??.. Isn't that a Rolls Royce for people who can't afford one??..
Roller skates??.. Isn't that a Rolls Royce for people who can't afford one??..
Posted by: Kaz Mc, Lanarksire on 7:32pm Fri 19 Sep 08
Steve, wots ur problem with forcing cars off the road with higher road and fuel tax.........it wasnt a car that caused it its all those lorry and bus drivers who fill there tanks to full..... anyway major companies expose more emmission through chimneys etc than the motorist. so give motorists and bikers a rest !!!!!!
Steve, wots ur problem with forcing cars off the road with higher road and fuel tax.........it wasnt a car that caused it its all those lorry and bus drivers who fill there tanks to full..... anyway major companies expose more emmission through chimneys etc than the motorist. so give motorists and bikers a rest !!!!!!
Posted by: jimbob, West End on 8:58pm Fri 19 Sep 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present. [/quote] Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction. Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane. Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations? Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc., Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines...... Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.[/quote] Am just a realist who is as free as everyone else on this board to express my opinions thank you very much. As for the ideas I suggested - I did not expect any kind of sensical approach to overcoming the problems faced. We are all far too good at highlighting the problems, negative issues and not enough people / politicians are prepared to accept the solutions ( however hard they are to swallow!) And, no I AM MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT A NEW 9 or old) LABOURITE. Just, a forward thinker, who is sick of the way in which our transport & motorway (lack of) infrastructure is the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the world. Without real investment in public transport, and tax gained to pay for it from the drivers of their larger, racey, people carrying, gas guzzling vehicles with bull bar cars. Clearly those with the most amount of money should pay the highest taxes - whether they want to or not. Life is not fair all of the time, and until people start to change their ways, and realise they can make an impact whether through voting, campaigning, or fighting for what they believe in - the apathy we're stifled in will destroy whats left of our democracy. M8 or no M8 - the bigger picture of how we improve our transport - traffic infrastructure cannot be ignored any longer. [/quote] Who Do you think you are? Clearly those earning more money should pay the highest taxes!?
People earning a lot do pay the highest taxes, to feed the mouths of Scavangers and Fund idiotic ideas politicians continualy come out with. And if we want to drive around in a big powerful car then let us. We pay through the nose to do so. Some People work very HARD to get luxuries such as big cars, and we continualy get punished for working hard.
People Power wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote: People Power wrote: Of course the M8 needs widened - despite the environmental impact on CO2 and Carbon Monoxide in the air. But - what needs done even more is the implementation of a strategy to allow priority lanes for various types of transport. i.e Lanes for buses, car sharing schemes, cars which use the lowest emissions, or which run on gas / electricity. Transfer freight from road to rail wherever possible, and cut the numbers of HGV's on our M8! Or a form of taxation on the motorways to ensure people only drive during essential journeys. Finally - far more cheaper incentives are also needed for people to use public transport / trains far more widely than at present.
Are you a politician? Absolutely no sense in any ideas you've put forward. Typical political reaction. Priority lanes - yeah create more lanes for people to abuse and cars to run up the inside to undercut then cause a tailback trying to get back into lane. Freight - as Albannach pointed out, how do you deliver to shops and petrol stations? Taxation - fantastic idea!!. Charge motorists even more money. It's not enough that you are taxed on your pay packet then pay tax on fuel and pay for road tax etc., Public transport - it's not just cheaper fares that's needed. It's a complete overhaul - better service, better quality of transport, less packing everyone in like sardines...... Where's Syd when you need him? You're obviously one of those New Labour Numpties.
Am just a realist who is as free as everyone else on this board to express my opinions thank you very much. As for the ideas I suggested - I did not expect any kind of sensical approach to overcoming the problems faced. We are all far too good at highlighting the problems, negative issues and not enough people / politicians are prepared to accept the solutions ( however hard they are to swallow!) And, no I AM MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT A NEW 9 or old) LABOURITE. Just, a forward thinker, who is sick of the way in which our transport & motorway (lack of) infrastructure is the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the world. Without real investment in public transport, and tax gained to pay for it from the drivers of their larger, racey, people carrying, gas guzzling vehicles with bull bar cars. Clearly those with the most amount of money should pay the highest taxes - whether they want to or not. Life is not fair all of the time, and until people start to change their ways, and realise they can make an impact whether through voting, campaigning, or fighting for what they believe in - the apathy we're stifled in will destroy whats left of our democracy. M8 or no M8 - the bigger picture of how we improve our transport - traffic infrastructure cannot be ignored any longer.
Who Do you think you are? Clearly those earning more money should pay the highest taxes!?
People earning a lot do pay the highest taxes, to feed the mouths of Scavangers and Fund idiotic ideas politicians continualy come out with. And if we want to drive around in a big powerful car then let us. We pay through the nose to do so. Some People work very HARD to get luxuries such as big cars, and we continualy get punished for working hard.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 7:42pm Sat 20 Sep 08
[quote][bold]jamiebhoy[/bold] wrote:
maybe im being silly here but surely this was an accident so why should anyone be punished![/quote] Fuel does not leak by accident. Perhaps a tank was overfilled (possibly by a lorry travelling to the Highlands with their sky(e) high fuel prices and being "necked" as the drivers put it, possibly by someone failing to replace their fuel cap, possibly by some other form of negligence, but an "accident" with no blame is highly unlikely.
jamiebhoy wrote:
maybe im being silly here but surely this was an accident so why should anyone be punished!
Fuel does not leak by accident. Perhaps a tank was overfilled (possibly by a lorry travelling to the Highlands with their sky(e) high fuel prices and being "necked" as the drivers put it, possibly by someone failing to replace their fuel cap, possibly by some other form of negligence, but an "accident" with no blame is highly unlikely.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 12:05pm Mon 22 Sep 08
Same old problems, same old answers.
Fundamentally - we're stuck with half a ring road that converges down to 2 lanes a side as it goes through the centre of town. Great if we could turn back the clock 40 years and build an orbital motorway like London or Manchester but now politicians have come to the inevitable conclusion that finishing the **** ring road is the only answer whilst allowing our archaic planning and public consultation process to constantly get in the way of making the changes which are so desperately needed. I'm surprised the greenies haven't found another way of scuppering the M74 Completion by now.
When will politicians learn that cars and traffic aren't going to go away unless Government spends serious money on public transport....we've seen already that high fuel prices will only make a small number make the switch to trains and buses, and the trouble is both Labour and the Tories have proved time and time again that they aren't interested in making the necessary big bucks investment that's required to make a real difference. They'd rather put a sticking plaster on the roads problem with useless schemes like bus lanes for buses that are empty, variable speed limits that have no effect on congestion whasoever and lane monitoring systems (ditto).
They are great at forming committees and publishing white papers and studies, but when it comes to actually parting with the cash they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Same old problems, same old answers.
Fundamentally - we're stuck with half a ring road that converges down to 2 lanes a side as it goes through the centre of town. Great if we could turn back the clock 40 years and build an orbital motorway like London or Manchester but now politicians have come to the inevitable conclusion that finishing the **** ring road is the only answer whilst allowing our archaic planning and public consultation process to constantly get in the way of making the changes which are so desperately needed. I'm surprised the greenies haven't found another way of scuppering the M74 Completion by now.
When will politicians learn that cars and traffic aren't going to go away unless Government spends serious money on public transport....we've seen already that high fuel prices will only make a small number make the switch to trains and buses, and the trouble is both Labour and the Tories have proved time and time again that they aren't interested in making the necessary big bucks investment that's required to make a real difference. They'd rather put a sticking plaster on the roads problem with useless schemes like bus lanes for buses that are empty, variable speed limits that have no effect on congestion whasoever and lane monitoring systems (ditto).
They are great at forming committees and publishing white papers and studies, but when it comes to actually parting with the cash they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Posted by: RapidAssistant, Glasgow on 1:05pm Mon 22 Sep 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps now is a good time to install a system similar to the one operating on the M25 London Orbital, whereby sensors mounted on the overhead gantry automatically calculate the traffic volume/traffic speed, and flash up speed restrictions, as neccessary. It not only reduces congestion at off-ramps and slip roads, it lessens accidents. It can also be over-ridden by traffic control operators, so that an event like this one would flash up as lane / motorway closure on the overhead gantries. It would also help immensely if people stop "bunching-up" at high speeds on the motorway in the first place![/quote] Last time I was on the M25 going through the said variable speed limit system it still took me an hour to crawl from Rickmansworth to the M40 turn off - what's supposedly a short distance when you look at it on a map.
Flying over it into Heathrow on Friday morning it looks like the extra lane they added to serve T5 has just filled up with more cars! Don't think there is anything that can be done to solve the M25's problems in my opiinon.
steven976 wrote:
Perhaps now is a good time to install a system similar to the one operating on the M25 London Orbital, whereby sensors mounted on the overhead gantry automatically calculate the traffic volume/traffic speed, and flash up speed restrictions, as neccessary. It not only reduces congestion at off-ramps and slip roads, it lessens accidents. It can also be over-ridden by traffic control operators, so that an event like this one would flash up as lane / motorway closure on the overhead gantries. It would also help immensely if people stop "bunching-up" at high speeds on the motorway in the first place!
Last time I was on the M25 going through the said variable speed limit system it still took me an hour to crawl from Rickmansworth to the M40 turn off - what's supposedly a short distance when you look at it on a map.
Flying over it into Heathrow on Friday morning it looks like the extra lane they added to serve T5 has just filled up with more cars! Don't think there is anything that can be done to solve the M25's problems in my opiinon.
Posted by: Dave Holladay, Glasgow on 1:31pm Tue 23 Sep 08
The solution certainly is not building even more road space which, if it was a factory would never find anyone to put up the cash - the sheer cost of this investment (sic) which lies almost deserted for well over 40% of the day and is seriously busy for less than 20% of the time wouold simply be laughed out of the bank if it was any other enterprise.
What is missing in Glasgow's traffic management system is a serious contingency plan, motorway gets blocked - cars get diverted to location (like the Fruit market where the truck parking is only full during the night, or a bus depot - also empty during the day) and the car drivers take coaches (or train) which both have capacity to move far greater numbers in less space. We should focus on moving people not vehicles in such situations, and a start might be taking the ideas from the M4 and other routes in London - create a coah and bus lane from J10 through to Townhead - or with a bit of investment to a separate bus & coach exit moving the maximum numbers with the minimum of vehicles.
The solution certainly is not building even more road space which, if it was a factory would never find anyone to put up the cash - the sheer cost of this investment (sic) which lies almost deserted for well over 40% of the day and is seriously busy for less than 20% of the time wouold simply be laughed out of the bank if it was any other enterprise.
What is missing in Glasgow's traffic management system is a serious contingency plan, motorway gets blocked - cars get diverted to location (like the Fruit market where the truck parking is only full during the night, or a bus depot - also empty during the day) and the car drivers take coaches (or train) which both have capacity to move far greater numbers in less space. We should focus on moving people not vehicles in such situations, and a start might be taking the ideas from the M4 and other routes in London - create a coah and bus lane from J10 through to Townhead - or with a bit of investment to a separate bus & coach exit moving the maximum numbers with the minimum of vehicles.
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