Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 10:57am Tue 30 Sep 08
Exactly!
At last a [italic]real[/italic] story in the Evening Times which addresses the [italic]real[/italic] problems faced by the [italic]real[/italic] people of Glasgow... and tells us [bold]why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election[/bold]: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while [bold]children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city[/bold].
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Exactly!
At last a
real story in the Evening Times which addresses the
real problems faced by the
real people of Glasgow... and tells us
why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while
children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city.
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:14am Tue 30 Sep 08
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Posted by: east3nder, lilybank on 11:17am Tue 30 Sep 08
Gosh, what a surprise. "Lots of poverty about," say the Campaign to End Child Poverty and Barnardos. Cui bono?
Lots of juicy budget about, more like. And Frank McCavity falls for it hook, line and sinker.
Gosh, what a surprise. "Lots of poverty about," say the Campaign to End Child Poverty and Barnardos. Cui bono?
Lots of juicy budget about, more like. And Frank McCavity falls for it hook, line and sinker.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:18am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Exactly! At last a [italic]real[/italic] story in the Evening Times which addresses the [italic]real[/italic] problems faced by the [italic]real[/italic] people of Glasgow... and tells us [bold]why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election[/bold]: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while [bold]children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city[/bold]. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Yes Sydney
A bit of reality that smacks in the face of those who think everything is all rosy in the garden with their fancy finance jobs, their fancy specas, fancy cars and fancy jargon.
Still, the report stipulates that Laurieston (once the richest suburb in Edwardian Glasgow) is in fact the poorest district with over half of the children in that area living in acute poverty, mind you, there isn't a lot of occupied property in the area - wonderful vision being slap bang on the doorstep of this shiny city centre.
What a laugh, here's another
[quote]Labour MSP Frank McAveety added: "There needs to be more money invested. It's not rocket science.[/quote]
It mustt be because for years him and his party have done very little to combat it, together with damaging Tory policy since the end of the War have produced the problems we have in our faces everyday
Welcome to Glasgow
[bold]It'll take more than a few glass office blocks and a shiny new motorway to sort this place out.[/bold]
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Exactly! At last a real story in the Evening Times which addresses the real problems faced by the real people of Glasgow... and tells us why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Yes Sydney
A bit of reality that smacks in the face of those who think everything is all rosy in the garden with their fancy finance jobs, their fancy specas, fancy cars and fancy jargon.
Still, the report stipulates that Laurieston (once the richest suburb in Edwardian Glasgow) is in fact the poorest district with over half of the children in that area living in acute poverty, mind you, there isn't a lot of occupied property in the area - wonderful vision being slap bang on the doorstep of this shiny city centre.
What a laugh, here's another
Labour MSP Frank McAveety added: "There needs to be more money invested. It's not rocket science.
It mustt be because for years him and his party have done very little to combat it, together with damaging Tory policy since the end of the War have produced the problems we have in our faces everyday
Welcome to Glasgow
It'll take more than a few glass office blocks and a shiny new motorway to sort this place out. Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:20am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?[/quote] Buses may come from that direction, but hey, you have Mount vernon/Garrowhill/Sp
ringboig and the schemes all of which do not contain kids whose parents are stuck on incapacity etc
Its been a long standing [problem, one of which has often been ignored
[bold]Sweep Sweep - thats why nobody votes![/bold]
glamkitty wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Buses may come from that direction, but hey, you have Mount vernon/Garrowhill/Sp
ringboig and the schemes all of which do not contain kids whose parents are stuck on incapacity etc
Its been a long standing [problem, one of which has often been ignored
Sweep Sweep - thats why nobody votes! Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:30am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?[/quote] Thanks for the official New Labour response glamkitty: trivialise the problem and humiliate the victims... for a second there I thought you were going to launch into a wee verse of The Famine Song!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
glamkitty wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Thanks for the official New Labour response glamkitty: trivialise the problem and humiliate the victims... for a second there I thought you were going to launch into a wee verse of The Famine Song!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: newman, glasgow on 11:33am Tue 30 Sep 08
The legacy of NU LIEBOUR under TONY BLIAR and GORDON "IVE PUT AN END TO BOOM AND BUST" BROWN.
The legacy of NU LIEBOUR under TONY BLIAR and GORDON "IVE PUT AN END TO BOOM AND BUST" BROWN.
Posted by: barry, glasgow on 11:34am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Exactly! At last a [italic]real[/italic] story in the Evening Times which addresses the [italic]real[/italic] problems faced by the [italic]real[/italic] people of Glasgow... and tells us [bold]why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election[/bold]: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while [bold]children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city[/bold]. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes? and would be the same pensioners who receive hundreds of pounds in heating allowances each year.?
the majority of kids in these areas are dressed head to toe in designer gear,poverty yer having a laugh
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Exactly! At last a real story in the Evening Times which addresses the real problems faced by the real people of Glasgow... and tells us why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes? and would be the same pensioners who receive hundreds of pounds in heating allowances each year.?
the majority of kids in these areas are dressed head to toe in designer gear,poverty yer having a laugh
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:36am Tue 30 Sep 08
Agreed TMC, and as for the clueless McAveety's inane quote:
[quote]Labour MSP Frank McAveety added: "There needs to be more money invested. It's not rocket science.[/quote]
New Labour had £500 MILLION to throw at the problem with the GEAR project and all that did was get good 'jobs for the boys', now they're going to throw £350 MILLION with the Diddy Games and that's just more 'jobs for the boys' and back-handers from favoured bidders... [bold]the quicker the useless McAveety and his New Labour band of free-loading wasters are run out of town, the better![/bold]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Agreed TMC, and as for the clueless McAveety's inane quote:
Labour MSP Frank McAveety added: "There needs to be more money invested. It's not rocket science.
New Labour had £500 MILLION to throw at the problem with the GEAR project and all that did was get good 'jobs for the boys', now they're going to throw £350 MILLION with the Diddy Games and that's just more 'jobs for the boys' and back-handers from favoured bidders...
the quicker the useless McAveety and his New Labour band of free-loading wasters are run out of town, the better!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:38am Tue 30 Sep 08
As in any other city.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 11:38am Tue 30 Sep 08
Glamkitty is correct, there is no poverty in the East End of Glasgow. It's a political myth.
At best, one could stretch the claim to say that the East End of Glasgow has less desirable areas than other parts of the city but to say that it has genuine poverty - a lack of food, clothing, medical care, housing, fuel - is a barefaced lie.
Glamkitty is correct, there is no poverty in the East End of Glasgow. It's a political myth.
At best, one could stretch the claim to say that the East End of Glasgow has less desirable areas than other parts of the city but to say that it has genuine poverty - a lack of food, clothing, medical care, housing, fuel - is a barefaced lie.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 11:47am Tue 30 Sep 08
Never mind,the 2014 Commonwealth Games village planned for the East End will be the panacea.
Never mind,the 2014 Commonwealth Games village planned for the East End will be the panacea.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:49am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?[/quote] Thanks for the official New Labour response glamkitty: trivialise the problem and humiliate the victims... for a second there I thought you were going to launch into a wee verse of The Famine Song! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Dont be ridiculous, nothing on earth would make me vote for the labour imbeciles. The sooner theyre out, the better.
Victims, or people who cant be arsed working? In which case, why have kids?? Ehh, cos you get more benefits then?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
glamkitty wrote: Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Thanks for the official New Labour response glamkitty: trivialise the problem and humiliate the victims... for a second there I thought you were going to launch into a wee verse of The Famine Song! -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Dont be ridiculous, nothing on earth would make me vote for the labour imbeciles. The sooner theyre out, the better.
Victims, or people who cant be arsed working? In which case, why have kids?? Ehh, cos you get more benefits then?
Posted by: PMFS, Scotland on 11:52am Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Wallace_Arnold[/bold] wrote:
Glamkitty is correct, there is no poverty in the East End of Glasgow. It's a political myth.
At best, one could stretch the claim to say that the East End of Glasgow has less desirable areas than other parts of the city but to say that it has genuine poverty - a lack of food, clothing, medical care, housing, fuel - is a barefaced lie.[/quote] What are you afraid of? Are you from a poor area and are afraid of a simple truth - that there is something very wrong with Glasgow and it there is de facto poverty in the city, especially in the East End. There is a lack of food eaten by the people - and by that we mean nutritious food, not fried meat substitute or some other piece of junk. Housing is generally terrible, that is why so many houses have been demolished, fuel - you may have escaped noticing the recent and always upwards motion of gas and electricity bills. Perhaps you are just too used to the poverty around you that you fail to notice it any more.
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
Glamkitty is correct, there is no poverty in the East End of Glasgow. It's a political myth.
At best, one could stretch the claim to say that the East End of Glasgow has less desirable areas than other parts of the city but to say that it has genuine poverty - a lack of food, clothing, medical care, housing, fuel - is a barefaced lie.
What are you afraid of? Are you from a poor area and are afraid of a simple truth - that there is something very wrong with Glasgow and it there is de facto poverty in the city, especially in the East End. There is a lack of food eaten by the people - and by that we mean nutritious food, not fried meat substitute or some other piece of junk. Housing is generally terrible, that is why so many houses have been demolished, fuel - you may have escaped noticing the recent and always upwards motion of gas and electricity bills. Perhaps you are just too used to the poverty around you that you fail to notice it any more.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 11:57am Tue 30 Sep 08
PMFS, what you describe is 'bad lifestyle choices' rather than poverty. To say that because one eats junk food - often more expensive than nutritious food - then one is suffering from poverty is illogical.
Everyone is suffering from rising fuel bills - again, this is not the same as saying there is a lack of fuel as one might find in Burkina Faso, say.
It is completely untrue to say there is poverty in the East End of Glasgow. One can only speculate about the political motivations for generating a belief in State dependency and individual helplessness.
PMFS, what you describe is 'bad lifestyle choices' rather than poverty. To say that because one eats junk food - often more expensive than nutritious food - then one is suffering from poverty is illogical.
Everyone is suffering from rising fuel bills - again, this is not the same as saying there is a lack of fuel as one might find in Burkina Faso, say.
It is completely untrue to say there is poverty in the East End of Glasgow. One can only speculate about the political motivations for generating a belief in State dependency and individual helplessness.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:58am Tue 30 Sep 08
I have a great suspicion of the supposed "kids charity" Barnardos. Barnardos do these types of made up reports every couple of years to emabarass the government of the time to fund more "poverty reports" which of course cost about half a million quid to fund , awhich of course goes to into the well paid salaries of the "administrators of Barnardos. Child poverty is rife over Glasgow. A blind man with a dog can see that. Levels of poverty city wide in glasgow have been present since the mid seventies. Yet the kids charities , the politicans, and the media have done nothing for a good three decades. Has far has i am concerned "professional charities" like Barnardos are part of the problem. Barnardos time would be better spent lobbying the government to make the condition peadophilia an untreatable ilness like extreme psychopathy so that we can get peadophiles kept in a state hospital until they die. At least that be more constructive than the repetitive studies that achieve nothing.
I have a great suspicion of the supposed "kids charity" Barnardos. Barnardos do these types of made up reports every couple of years to emabarass the government of the time to fund more "poverty reports" which of course cost about half a million quid to fund , awhich of course goes to into the well paid salaries of the "administrators of Barnardos. Child poverty is rife over Glasgow. A blind man with a dog can see that. Levels of poverty city wide in glasgow have been present since the mid seventies. Yet the kids charities , the politicans, and the media have done nothing for a good three decades. Has far has i am concerned "professional charities" like Barnardos are part of the problem. Barnardos time would be better spent lobbying the government to make the condition peadophilia an untreatable ilness like extreme psychopathy so that we can get peadophiles kept in a state hospital until they die. At least that be more constructive than the repetitive studies that achieve nothing.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 12:02pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Meep, I have tried to find the benchmark for poverty that the authors of this report use. The 'end child poverty' campaign freely admit to describing children whose parents work and who also use the discredited tax credit system as being 'in poverty'.
Meep, I have tried to find the benchmark for poverty that the authors of this report use. The 'end child poverty' campaign freely admit to describing children whose parents work and who also use the discredited tax credit system as being 'in poverty'.
Posted by: BeeSee on 12:04pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Poverty!
Dont make me laugh
Is it poverty when you eat out or have your dinner deliverd every night?
Is it poverty when you get a two week foreign holiday every year?
Is it poverty when every room in the house has a TV / DVD / games console?
Is it poverty when you smoke 40 fags a day and overdo it every weekned on whatever special asda has?
Is it poverty when your TV in the living room is bigger than either than the two cars you have outside?
The figures may claim that poverty is rife, but as we all know almost 100% of the people used for these figures claim benefits, whilst either not declaring a job, partner living with them etc.
The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.
Poverty!
Dont make me laugh
Is it poverty when you eat out or have your dinner deliverd every night?
Is it poverty when you get a two week foreign holiday every year?
Is it poverty when every room in the house has a TV / DVD / games console?
Is it poverty when you smoke 40 fags a day and overdo it every weekned on whatever special asda has?
Is it poverty when your TV in the living room is bigger than either than the two cars you have outside?
The figures may claim that poverty is rife, but as we all know almost 100% of the people used for these figures claim benefits, whilst either not declaring a job, partner living with them etc.
The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 12:06pm Tue 30 Sep 08
"The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects."
Amen to that.
"The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects."
Amen to that.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:07pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote]The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more.
The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.
I couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Scunnerd, Renfrew on 12:10pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Maybe Barnados staff can donate a percentage of their salary to help the terrible poverty that is rampant in Glasgow
Maybe Barnados staff can donate a percentage of their salary to help the terrible poverty that is rampant in Glasgow
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:14pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.[/quote] I couldn't agree more.[/quote] So when a whole collective group of people who live on the bare minimum (most of which receive benefit because they are unable to work for a variety of reasons, it makes you wonder what planet some people live on.
Young people for which Glamkitty etc speak of, maybe some of them sell drugs, it is a common sight - buying a 'Billy Mcneill' on the schoo playground for a few joints at lunchtime.
Its been going on for years, the poverty in my grandparents day is just a continuation of that, they moved from Lawmoor St in the Gorbals to a house in castlemilk in 1957, 20 years later the whole area had succumbed to all sorts of social problems and the housing was deplorable (and this was only the 70's) cos the government didn't give a monkeys and neither did the local Labour controlled Labaour authority which was Glasgow District Council.
It later spanned into mass unemployment - drugs, alcohol dependancy etc
Is it still only a myth? - seeds don't grow up the same way?
Hmm - Sweep Sweep!
mulross wrote:
The word Poverty is used here to easily and is a disgrace to the memory of each of our grand parents and great grandparents who knew what poverty was and its real effects.
I couldn't agree more.
So when a whole collective group of people who live on the bare minimum (most of which receive benefit because they are unable to work for a variety of reasons, it makes you wonder what planet some people live on.
Young people for which Glamkitty etc speak of, maybe some of them sell drugs, it is a common sight - buying a 'Billy Mcneill' on the schoo playground for a few joints at lunchtime.
Its been going on for years, the poverty in my grandparents day is just a continuation of that, they moved from Lawmoor St in the Gorbals to a house in castlemilk in 1957, 20 years later the whole area had succumbed to all sorts of social problems and the housing was deplorable (and this was only the 70's) cos the government didn't give a monkeys and neither did the local Labour controlled Labaour authority which was Glasgow District Council.
It later spanned into mass unemployment - drugs, alcohol dependancy etc
Is it still only a myth? - seeds don't grow up the same way?
Hmm - Sweep Sweep!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:22pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Of course, back in the day Glasgow had proper built up communities, the only problem was that not all the housing was to an acceptable standard.
That city was wiped, and so was society - people then looked after each other and helped each other.
Today, lets be honest, people don't give a **** for themselves or for some, even their children - the whole place is neglected - selfish people care only about themselves and their own surroundings/environ
ment - who cares about anybody else?
This is the problem today, fragmented, prison camp style communities, no locakl economics for the majority and very little in the way of removing this problem
Government and their flock - Sweep Sweep - this doesn't exist.
The problem will only get bigger.
Of course, back in the day Glasgow had proper built up communities, the only problem was that not all the housing was to an acceptable standard.
That city was wiped, and so was society - people then looked after each other and helped each other.
Today, lets be honest, people don't give a **** for themselves or for some, even their children - the whole place is neglected - selfish people care only about themselves and their own surroundings/environ
ment - who cares about anybody else?
This is the problem today, fragmented, prison camp style communities, no locakl economics for the majority and very little in the way of removing this problem
Government and their flock - Sweep Sweep - this doesn't exist.
The problem will only get bigger.
Posted by: PMFS, Scotland on 12:25pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I really do not think poverty is a collection of 'bad lifestyle choices', I would argue that poverty and imprinting from the poverty around you makes you develop 'bad lifestyle choices'. When you have little money you are going to go for cheap food - a 20 bag of crisps costs less than a 4 pack of apples as an example.
I really do not think poverty is a collection of 'bad lifestyle choices', I would argue that poverty and imprinting from the poverty around you makes you develop 'bad lifestyle choices'. When you have little money you are going to go for cheap food - a 20 bag of crisps costs less than a 4 pack of apples as an example.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 12:28pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right.
Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!!
Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did.
Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm.
But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves.
Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants.
No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc.
TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right.
Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!!
Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did.
Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm.
But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves.
Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants.
No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc.
TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 12:28pm Tue 30 Sep 08
All it takes is one story showing that Glasgow isn't all cafe culture and wine bars and all the closet Tory's are up in arms.
"I'm alright & so are the people I know" "I've seen the area out of a window on my commute to work and it looks fine" "my grandparents had it worse"
The definition of poverty may have changed in the last century but there are familys across Glasgow, not just the east end struggling on minimum wage & the joke WFTC system who are struggling to pay their bills and can't afford fresh meat, fruit and veg, having to eat frozen/ processed muck because it's all they can afford.
BTW not all of them smoke 60 fags a day and drink buckfast.
I would suggest that some of the posters here open their eyes before spouting their drivel
All it takes is one story showing that Glasgow isn't all cafe culture and wine bars and all the closet Tory's are up in arms.
"I'm alright & so are the people I know" "I've seen the area out of a window on my commute to work and it looks fine" "my grandparents had it worse"
The definition of poverty may have changed in the last century but there are familys across Glasgow, not just the east end struggling on minimum wage & the joke WFTC system who are struggling to pay their bills and can't afford fresh meat, fruit and veg, having to eat frozen/ processed muck because it's all they can afford.
BTW not all of them smoke 60 fags a day and drink buckfast.
I would suggest that some of the posters here open their eyes before spouting their drivel
Posted by: no hoper, Glasgow on 12:34pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Blame game.....labour, tories..SNP. The fact is we do have children living in Glasgow 2008 who are in poverty and thats the real shame for us all. Whose fault...does it really matter in the long run....who solves it is the real question. A denial by the residents of Glasgow that poverty exists adds to the problem. At least accept it as the saying goes " live in my shoes for one day".
Blaming the children for the way they dress, assume they are drug dealers...shame one yous at least they are on the bus going to school, education is the key. Have a look out of the window on your travels through the East End and really look at the children.....
Blame game.....labour, tories..SNP. The fact is we do have children living in Glasgow 2008 who are in poverty and thats the real shame for us all. Whose fault...does it really matter in the long run....who solves it is the real question. A denial by the residents of Glasgow that poverty exists adds to the problem. At least accept it as the saying goes " live in my shoes for one day".
Blaming the children for the way they dress, assume they are drug dealers...shame one yous at least they are on the bus going to school, education is the key. Have a look out of the window on your travels through the East End and really look at the children.....
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 12:35pm Tue 30 Sep 08
The real solution here is to send Sydney M and his bum chums in to help these poverty sticken kids. Go Sydney go go go!
The real solution here is to send Sydney M and his bum chums in to help these poverty sticken kids. Go Sydney go go go!
Posted by: iloveglasgow on 12:38pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right. Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!! Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did. Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm. But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves. Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants. No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc. TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.[/quote] best comment of the lot and best line of the lot :[bold]TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.[/bold] don`t have kids if you can`t look after them
thistlemad wrote:
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right. Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!! Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did. Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm. But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves. Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants. No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc. TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.
best comment of the lot and best line of the lot :
TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP. don`t have kids if you can`t look after them
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 12:43pm Tue 30 Sep 08
The definition of 'poverty' offered is so vague and open to interpretation as to be utterly meaningless. The idea that because one doesn't subscribe to the view that Glasgow is analogous to the worst slum dwellings of Asia, Africa and South America means that one is defending 'cafe culture' is a grotesque joke.
Thistlemad is correct to point out that what people refer to as 'poverty' is a State-induced lethargy and worklessness. The answer is not more State inducements, believe it or not.
The definition of 'poverty' offered is so vague and open to interpretation as to be utterly meaningless. The idea that because one doesn't subscribe to the view that Glasgow is analogous to the worst slum dwellings of Asia, Africa and South America means that one is defending 'cafe culture' is a grotesque joke.
Thistlemad is correct to point out that what people refer to as 'poverty' is a State-induced lethargy and worklessness. The answer is not more State inducements, believe it or not.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 12:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]iloveglasgow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right. Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!! Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did. Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm. But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves. Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants. No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc. TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.[/quote] best comment of the lot and best line of the lot :[bold]TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.[/bold] don`t have kids if you can`t look after them[/quote] Whoosh thistlemaid this is absolutely bang on and I couldn't agree more. It seems work itself has become degraded never mind job type.
The government does need to get tougher on folk who don't want to work and yet expect to enjoy all the latest trappings of material culture that includes iPods and the like. Work needs to be valued again and why should those who earn a living have their efforts mocked by lazy people? Even those on the Left have to admit that people who DON'T WANT TO work should not be entitled to the same rewards as those who do work. I mean think about it, if you also reward those who don't work then you devalue and humiliate those who do work.
iloveglasgow wrote:
thistlemad wrote:
I have read these comments with interest, and have sadly come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is right. Firstly, I was brought up between Maryhill and Drumchapel. My old man was one of those rare breeds ..... HE ACTUALLY WORKED ALL HIS LIFE!!!! Neighbours who had never worked a day in their lives had a much better standard of living than we did. Holidays abroad, plenty of booze, the latest gadgets, cars etc were all the norm. But we had one thing they could never have .... pride in our parents and pride in ourselves. Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants. No one questions how someone on benefits can afford new cars, 44 inch LCD tellys, foreign holidays, SKY at 50 quid a month etc etc etc. TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP.
best comment of the lot and best line of the lot :TIME FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO THIS LOT AND MAKE THEM EARN THEIR KEEP. don`t have kids if you can`t look after them
Whoosh thistlemaid this is absolutely bang on and I couldn't agree more. It seems work itself has become degraded never mind job type.
The government does need to get tougher on folk who don't want to work and yet expect to enjoy all the latest trappings of material culture that includes iPods and the like. Work needs to be valued again and why should those who earn a living have their efforts mocked by lazy people? Even those on the Left have to admit that people who DON'T WANT TO work should not be entitled to the same rewards as those who do work. I mean think about it, if you also reward those who don't work then you devalue and humiliate those who do work.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:19pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[italic]Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants.[/italic]
The trouble was, having read the papers and having seen the documentaries, it seems back in the 70's and 80's work was becoming a rarity as there was very little work for anybody - if this is lies then I really can't answer those who say it is.
For people who had jobs through the turbulent times, lucky you.
For others, well maybe this is why the drug empire florished.
For those who may not be aware, Incapacity Benefit and Income Support are being repleced by a new benefit - ESA - Emplyment and Support Allowance - surely that will make a dent on the sick figures within a few years, it has its intentions to eliminate the wasters from the taxpayers coffers, for which there are many - on a whole the city is in trouble whether we choose to agree or not, a lot of lost people out there, some people never go outside their door - this is the reality of it all. The place is nuts - Liverpool may come a close second however, thats Westminsters problem, obviously they owe us as well, but will we see anything for their exploits over the years? I think not, so thats how I cannot see this place turning around in the next decade, if ever.
Consitant Governments were always too frightened to MAKE these degenerates work, instead it was easier (and still is) to ignore the problem and bring in thousands of immigrants.
The trouble was, having read the papers and having seen the documentaries, it seems back in the 70's and 80's work was becoming a rarity as there was very little work for anybody - if this is lies then I really can't answer those who say it is.
For people who had jobs through the turbulent times, lucky you.
For others, well maybe this is why the drug empire florished.
For those who may not be aware, Incapacity Benefit and Income Support are being repleced by a new benefit - ESA - Emplyment and Support Allowance - surely that will make a dent on the sick figures within a few years, it has its intentions to eliminate the wasters from the taxpayers coffers, for which there are many - on a whole the city is in trouble whether we choose to agree or not, a lot of lost people out there, some people never go outside their door - this is the reality of it all. The place is nuts - Liverpool may come a close second however, thats Westminsters problem, obviously they owe us as well, but will we see anything for their exploits over the years? I think not, so thats how I cannot see this place turning around in the next decade, if ever.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:24pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]no hoper[/bold] wrote:
Blame game.....labour, tories..SNP. The fact is we do have children living in Glasgow 2008 who are in poverty and thats the real shame for us all. Whose fault...does it really matter in the long run....who solves it is the real question. A denial by the residents of Glasgow that poverty exists adds to the problem. At least accept it as the saying goes " live in my shoes for one day". Blaming the children for the way they dress, assume they are drug dealers...shame one yous at least they are on the bus going to school, education is the key. Have a look out of the window on your travels through the East End and really look at the children.....[/quote] You seriously cannot deny the fact that kids selling drugs in school does not go on.
Its been in the news both screen and print, so shame on the media for telling the public what goes on eh?
If anything they don't go far enough, it shouldn't be happening, but hey, a neglected society produces a mass of problems which seem to be beyond the control of those, ironically in control.
no hoper wrote:
Blame game.....labour, tories..SNP. The fact is we do have children living in Glasgow 2008 who are in poverty and thats the real shame for us all. Whose fault...does it really matter in the long run....who solves it is the real question. A denial by the residents of Glasgow that poverty exists adds to the problem. At least accept it as the saying goes " live in my shoes for one day". Blaming the children for the way they dress, assume they are drug dealers...shame one yous at least they are on the bus going to school, education is the key. Have a look out of the window on your travels through the East End and really look at the children.....
You seriously cannot deny the fact that kids selling drugs in school does not go on.
Its been in the news both screen and print, so shame on the media for telling the public what goes on eh?
If anything they don't go far enough, it shouldn't be happening, but hey, a neglected society produces a mass of problems which seem to be beyond the control of those, ironically in control.
Posted by: emceehammer, west midlands on 1:34pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice.
Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings.
Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!!
Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice.
Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings.
Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!!
Posted by: Reader, Glasgow on 1:35pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?[/quote] Having stayed in the East end all my life i know this story is a load of rubbish poverty existed 40-50 years ago when kids had no shoes etc..
The East end for being so poor has the highest proportion of off sales/ takeaway food outlets/ Asda at Parkhead Forge has the accolade of the highest sales amount of cigarettes of any Asda store in Scotland! So of course the stats prove it the majority of East enders eat the wrong food, drink too much, and smoke!
But of corse the parents of these children will be on DLA,Invalidity,Incom
e Support and have the mandatory Motability car (remember when the then Trust Motors was always the largest Motability dealer in the UK wonder why eh?) to give this story some "Cred"
Perhaps these said parents should get off their backsides and instead of lying in bed all day and hanging about the bookies and pub should get themselves a job - or is that too simple?
glamkitty wrote:
Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone?
Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Having stayed in the East end all my life i know this story is a load of rubbish poverty existed 40-50 years ago when kids had no shoes etc..
The East end for being so poor has the highest proportion of off sales/ takeaway food outlets/ Asda at Parkhead Forge has the accolade of the highest sales amount of cigarettes of any Asda store in Scotland! So of course the stats prove it the majority of East enders eat the wrong food, drink too much, and smoke!
But of corse the parents of these children will be on DLA,Invalidity,Incom
e Support and have the mandatory Motability car (remember when the then Trust Motors was always the largest Motability dealer in the UK wonder why eh?) to give this story some "Cred"
Perhaps these said parents should get off their backsides and instead of lying in bed all day and hanging about the bookies and pub should get themselves a job - or is that too simple?
Posted by: eastenddude, Glasgow on 1:48pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I work with children from the Barlanark/Easterhous
e area and find that although a lot of the children have phones/ipods etc there are more that dont have anything like this. There are children who get 2-3 times handdowns from either family or neighbours. Only last week I helped a 12 year old glue his shoe back together!! So there are familys who are well off but a lot more who are just getting by.
More has to be done to help.
I work with children from the Barlanark/Easterhous
e area and find that although a lot of the children have phones/ipods etc there are more that dont have anything like this. There are children who get 2-3 times handdowns from either family or neighbours. Only last week I helped a 12 year old glue his shoe back together!! So there are familys who are well off but a lot more who are just getting by.
More has to be done to help.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 1:49pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Why should we waste money,time or effort on these East End low lives?
They`ve no interest in bettering themselves.
Why should we waste money,time or effort on these East End low lives?
They`ve no interest in bettering themselves.
Posted by: raypaterson, Glasgow on 1:50pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]glamkitty[/bold] wrote: Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?[/quote] Having stayed in the East end all my life i know this story is a load of rubbish poverty existed 40-50 years ago when kids had no shoes etc.. The East end for being so poor has the highest proportion of off sales/ takeaway food outlets/ Asda at Parkhead Forge has the accolade of the highest sales amount of cigarettes of any Asda store in Scotland! So of course the stats prove it the majority of East enders eat the wrong food, drink too much, and smoke! But of corse the parents of these children will be on DLA,Invalidity,Incom e Support and have the mandatory Motability car (remember when the then Trust Motors was always the largest Motability dealer in the UK wonder why eh?) to give this story some "Cred" Perhaps these said parents should get off their backsides and instead of lying in bed all day and hanging about the bookies and pub should get themselves a job - or is that too simple?[/quote] Superb comment! True as well. I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!
Reader wrote:
glamkitty wrote: Ok well, the bus I get to work in the morning comes from Shettleston/Partkead direction - if these kids are all in poverty, how come there isnt one of them that gets on the bus without an ipod and a fancy phone? Are their parents buying them this stuff instead of food? Are they nicking them? Or is this really a non story?
Having stayed in the East end all my life i know this story is a load of rubbish poverty existed 40-50 years ago when kids had no shoes etc.. The East end for being so poor has the highest proportion of off sales/ takeaway food outlets/ Asda at Parkhead Forge has the accolade of the highest sales amount of cigarettes of any Asda store in Scotland! So of course the stats prove it the majority of East enders eat the wrong food, drink too much, and smoke! But of corse the parents of these children will be on DLA,Invalidity,Incom e Support and have the mandatory Motability car (remember when the then Trust Motors was always the largest Motability dealer in the UK wonder why eh?) to give this story some "Cred" Perhaps these said parents should get off their backsides and instead of lying in bed all day and hanging about the bookies and pub should get themselves a job - or is that too simple?
Superb comment! True as well. I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 1:54pm Tue 30 Sep 08
'I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!'
Class, raypaterson, class and unfortunately all too true my friend!
'I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!'
Class, raypaterson, class and unfortunately all too true my friend!
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 1:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Exactly! At last a [italic]real[/italic] story in the Evening Times which addresses the [italic]real[/italic] problems faced by the [italic]real[/italic] people of Glasgow... and tells us [bold]why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election[/bold]: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while [bold]children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city[/bold]. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] Flaming Sydney,
"real people are sick and tired etc. etc."
But not of your inane, never ending, reptitive and hilarious rantings.
Make sure you show your Mummy this, it should get you a Waggon Wheel in your playpiece tomorrow. Your getting to be a clever big boy now.
I see you still have that peculiar habit of calling men by women's names. Did your Mummy really want a girl?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Exactly! At last a real story in the Evening Times which addresses the real problems faced by the real people of Glasgow... and tells us why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Flaming Sydney,
"real people are sick and tired etc. etc."
But not of your inane, never ending, reptitive and hilarious rantings.
Make sure you show your Mummy this, it should get you a Waggon Wheel in your playpiece tomorrow. Your getting to be a clever big boy now.
I see you still have that peculiar habit of calling men by women's names. Did your Mummy really want a girl?
Posted by: Travel1, Glasgow on 1:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Poverty no way. These parents have no problems is buyiny cigs and bucky (with our tax money). Who are they trying to kid.
Poverty no way. These parents have no problems is buyiny cigs and bucky (with our tax money). Who are they trying to kid.
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:04pm Tue 30 Sep 08
yeah Syndey and his bum chums should go and actively deal with these issues in the East End
yeah Syndey and his bum chums should go and actively deal with these issues in the East End
Posted by: wee mary, glasgow on 2:32pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]atrocityexhibition[/bold] wrote:
'I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!' Class, raypaterson, class and unfortunately all too true my friend![/quote] This is spot on. On the rare occasion our office go out for lunch the pub is full of people, although mostly men, sitting drinking, not having a lunch time drink but obviously look like they will be there all day. I work and I can't afford to do that. I know plenty of people who will not take a job cos they will lose their incapacity benefit!!
[bold]Never mind Jobcentre plus people sitting in GP's surgeries, let them sit in the pubs of Shettleston[/bold] .
atrocityexhibition wrote:
'I'm from the East end originally, and I used to tell my kids the reason we couldn't afford a car was because we worked for a living!' Class, raypaterson, class and unfortunately all too true my friend!
This is spot on. On the rare occasion our office go out for lunch the pub is full of people, although mostly men, sitting drinking, not having a lunch time drink but obviously look like they will be there all day. I work and I can't afford to do that. I know plenty of people who will not take a job cos they will lose their incapacity benefit!!
Never mind Jobcentre plus people sitting in GP's surgeries, let them sit in the pubs of Shettleston .
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 2:46pm Tue 30 Sep 08
And it's shocking that some folk feel no shame about not working. What is wrong with these people that they don't wish to contribute to society? Lucky for them the local state don't operate a '3 strikes and you're out policy' otherwise they would not be able to sit about pubs all day and get wasted.
Folk complain about the purported dangers of not having adequate welfare but what about those who do work having their faces rubbed in wasted welfare? Supporting folk to sit about pubs all day is a disgrace and someone should round them all up and put them into the labour market, no questions asked. People say 'oh you can't make folk do what they don't want to do', baws! When it comes to working and paying taxes the government should be able to make people pay up and hitting the east end pubs might be a good start. Otherwise seems the honest hard working folk might as well just go down to the offies and buy Bucky to hand out to NEDs because essentially that's what the government are doing!
Maybe Syndey M and his cheek splitting peckerwood bum chums have a better solution to this reductionist culture?
And it's shocking that some folk feel no shame about not working. What is wrong with these people that they don't wish to contribute to society? Lucky for them the local state don't operate a '3 strikes and you're out policy' otherwise they would not be able to sit about pubs all day and get wasted.
Folk complain about the purported dangers of not having adequate welfare but what about those who do work having their faces rubbed in wasted welfare? Supporting folk to sit about pubs all day is a disgrace and someone should round them all up and put them into the labour market, no questions asked. People say 'oh you can't make folk do what they don't want to do', baws! When it comes to working and paying taxes the government should be able to make people pay up and hitting the east end pubs might be a good start. Otherwise seems the honest hard working folk might as well just go down to the offies and buy Bucky to hand out to NEDs because essentially that's what the government are doing!
Maybe Syndey M and his cheek splitting peckerwood bum chums have a better solution to this reductionist culture?
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 2:52pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I don't know how they have measured poverty, whether simply in a financial sense, but surely we all know what is meant. There are some parts of the east end that are dreadful. It breaks your heart. Children growing up in these conditions are condemned to failure from day one, let no one pretend otherwise.
One thing we can say. Every member of the SNP Government has spent time very recently speaking to people in the east end in large numbers and at length because of the by-election. (Although it has to be said it was the people with aspirations that voted SNP at the by-election, not the people with no hope who either did not vote or voted Labour.)
What do you do about the hopelessness? I don't know. No one party has the answer. It will require all of them to work together.
I don't know how they have measured poverty, whether simply in a financial sense, but surely we all know what is meant. There are some parts of the east end that are dreadful. It breaks your heart. Children growing up in these conditions are condemned to failure from day one, let no one pretend otherwise.
One thing we can say. Every member of the SNP Government has spent time very recently speaking to people in the east end in large numbers and at length because of the by-election. (Although it has to be said it was the people with aspirations that voted SNP at the by-election, not the people with no hope who either did not vote or voted Labour.)
What do you do about the hopelessness? I don't know. No one party has the answer. It will require all of them to work together.
Posted by: Le Roi Des Voleurs, East Kilbride on 2:56pm Tue 30 Sep 08
George Square,
You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
George Square,
You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:06pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]barry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
Exactly! At last a [italic]real[/italic] story in the Evening Times which addresses the [italic]real[/italic] problems faced by the [italic]real[/italic] people of Glasgow... and tells us [bold]why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election[/bold]: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while [bold]children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city[/bold]. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes? and would be the same pensioners who receive hundreds of pounds in heating allowances each year.?
the majority of kids in these areas are dressed head to toe in designer gear,poverty yer having a laugh [/quote] [quote]how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes?[/quote]
According to official National Statistics between 24,000 and 49,000 'extra' deaths happen during the winter months across the UK.
Also, according to the BBC between 2000 and 2006, 15,500 pensioners died in Scotland in their homes from cold-related illnesses... the figure is expected to rocket this winter following unprecedented greed from fuel companies like SSE, chaired by the main diddy-man for the 2014 Diddy Games, multi-millionaire Sir Robert Smith. ([italic]How'd you like that: linking fuel poverty with the Diddy Games???[/italic])
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
barry wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Exactly! At last a real story in the Evening Times which addresses the real problems faced by the real people of Glasgow... and tells us why New Labour lost the Glasgow East by-election: real people are sick and tired of bloated, boasting New Labour politicians like wee Maggie 'no o-grades' Purcell pontificate about how wonderful Glasgow is while children live tragic, stunted, hideously deprived lives and pensioners shiver and die in their homes across the city. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes? and would be the same pensioners who receive hundreds of pounds in heating allowances each year.?
the majority of kids in these areas are dressed head to toe in designer gear,poverty yer having a laugh
how many pensioners have shivered and died in their homes?
According to official National Statistics between 24,000 and 49,000 'extra' deaths happen during the winter months across the UK.
Also, according to the BBC between 2000 and 2006, 15,500 pensioners died in Scotland in their homes from cold-related illnesses... the figure is expected to rocket this winter following unprecedented greed from fuel companies like SSE, chaired by the main diddy-man for the 2014 Diddy Games, multi-millionaire Sir Robert Smith. (
How'd you like that: linking fuel poverty with the Diddy Games???)
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:09pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi Des Voleurs[/bold] wrote:
George Square,
You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
[/quote] [italic]Thanks LRDV, you saved me the bother of skelping his arse![/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
Le Roi Des Voleurs wrote:
George Square,
You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
Thanks LRDV, you saved me the bother of skelping his arse!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 3:23pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]emceehammer[/bold] wrote:
Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice. Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings. Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!! [/quote] "one parent families (by choice)"
What do you mean by choice??? Would u rather we all had abortions. Im a one parent family and i went back to work 6 weeks after my son was born and we have a great life. I have never visited a benefits office so please do not class us all as the same.
It really bugs me that people think single parents are all the same ie. wanting a house....sitting on their arses all day jst waiting 2 collect their monday books.......well im living proof that we're not all the same.
emceehammer wrote:
Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice. Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings. Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!!
"one parent families (by choice)"
What do you mean by choice??? Would u rather we all had abortions. Im a one parent family and i went back to work 6 weeks after my son was born and we have a great life. I have never visited a benefits office so please do not class us all as the same.
It really bugs me that people think single parents are all the same ie. wanting a house....sitting on their arses all day jst waiting 2 collect their monday books.......well im living proof that we're not all the same.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 3:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Le Roi Des Voleurs[/bold] wrote:
George Square, You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder. [/quote] That most odious of biscuits is in fact spelt "Waggon".
Le Roi Des Voleurs wrote:
George Square, You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
That most odious of biscuits is in fact spelt "Waggon".
Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 4:08pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Le Roi Des Voleurs[/bold] wrote: George Square, You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder. [/quote] That most odious of biscuits is in fact spelt "Waggon".[/quote] Wagon Wheels are a popular biscuit in Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom which have a marshmallow centre and are covered in a chocolate flavoured coating. They are produced and distributed by Burton's Foods. The biscuit itself is round to represent the wheel of a wagon (hence the name).
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
Le Roi Des Voleurs wrote: George Square, You obviously don't think the kids are suffering any effects of poverty but I'm sure Sydney and most of the kids could spell 'wagon'. Poor spelling, poor grammar and just a poor post really, you should have paid more attention at school....come on, a simple word like wagon and you can't even spell it....must try harder.
That most odious of biscuits is in fact spelt "Waggon".
Wagon Wheels are a popular biscuit in Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom which have a marshmallow centre and are covered in a chocolate flavoured coating. They are produced and distributed by Burton's Foods. The biscuit itself is round to represent the wheel of a wagon (hence the name).
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 4:17pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]jamiebhoy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]emceehammer[/bold] wrote: Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice. Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings. Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!! [/quote] "one parent families (by choice)" What do you mean by choice??? Would u rather we all had abortions. Im a one parent family and i went back to work 6 weeks after my son was born and we have a great life. I have never visited a benefits office so please do not class us all as the same. It really bugs me that people think single parents are all the same ie. wanting a house....sitting on their arses all day jst waiting 2 collect their monday books.......well im living proof that we're not all the same. [/quote] There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do.
I was brought up in the 70`s. Kids from Maryhill and the Drum (and other schemes) were normally written off as no users.
However, I have 5 brothers and sisters, and although we have all at one time or another been unemployed, I still believe it was the fact that we saw our parents work (our mother returned to work when the youngest was around 11) instilled in us a belief that working is the only way to get on in life.
I run my own "business" buying and selling anything and everything, two brothers have their own small companies (one a joiner and one a taper/plasterer), the other brothers a copper (black sheep), one sister works on the railway and the other in a furniture shop. Myself and my 3 brothers all have bus licences because at one point that was all the work that was available.
We all have kids and all our partners work (none highly paid), but we get by.
Junkies, alkies, crooks, immigrants are normally better off than we are, but what we have is ours (well when our mortgages are paid off,lol) and our kids will have a slight start in life.
Not one of us uses illegal drugs of any kind, not bad for a big family from the "schemes".
Sometimes it gets really depressing watching those around on the state benefits having a better lifestyle ...... but we can sleep at night without worrying about that 6am knock on the door from the cops and the DHSS (or whatever the fook they call themselves now).
Why, when someone is caught fiddling the social, is their house not emptied there and then??????
jamiebhoy wrote:
emceehammer wrote: Poverty my erse(is poverty a euphemism for lack of priorities-i.e. Prize Bingo,Sky TV,Benson & Hedges and Carlsberg Super Lager over Good wholesome food,good literature and mental stimulation of your kids?)-I grew up in the East end of Glasgow-in a family that had little spare money,but worked to educate their kids to get the fook outta that place.Thank god my parents had the foresight to give me proper advice. Neds,druggies,alkies and one parent families(by choice)deserve the East End of Glasgow as much as it deserves them.A perfect match of people to surroundings. Ghettoise it-build a wall and leave them to it!!
"one parent families (by choice)" What do you mean by choice??? Would u rather we all had abortions. Im a one parent family and i went back to work 6 weeks after my son was born and we have a great life. I have never visited a benefits office so please do not class us all as the same. It really bugs me that people think single parents are all the same ie. wanting a house....sitting on their arses all day jst waiting 2 collect their monday books.......well im living proof that we're not all the same.
There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do.
I was brought up in the 70`s. Kids from Maryhill and the Drum (and other schemes) were normally written off as no users.
However, I have 5 brothers and sisters, and although we have all at one time or another been unemployed, I still believe it was the fact that we saw our parents work (our mother returned to work when the youngest was around 11) instilled in us a belief that working is the only way to get on in life.
I run my own "business" buying and selling anything and everything, two brothers have their own small companies (one a joiner and one a taper/plasterer), the other brothers a copper (black sheep), one sister works on the railway and the other in a furniture shop. Myself and my 3 brothers all have bus licences because at one point that was all the work that was available.
We all have kids and all our partners work (none highly paid), but we get by.
Junkies, alkies, crooks, immigrants are normally better off than we are, but what we have is ours (well when our mortgages are paid off,lol) and our kids will have a slight start in life.
Not one of us uses illegal drugs of any kind, not bad for a big family from the "schemes".
Sometimes it gets really depressing watching those around on the state benefits having a better lifestyle ...... but we can sleep at night without worrying about that 6am knock on the door from the cops and the DHSS (or whatever the fook they call themselves now).
Why, when someone is caught fiddling the social, is their house not emptied there and then??????
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 4:22pm Tue 30 Sep 08
PS.
I WAS a GENUINE single parent after the death of my wife ....... I got NO help from the DHSS, the social work or any other agency.
Believe it or not I was more or less told "you`re a man, sort it out yourself".
As soon as I threatened to sue Glasgow Council for sex discrimination for not giving me a home due to the fact I wasn`t some wee slapper, then threatened to sue the social work for the same reason (plus there was a story in this paper at the time about social workers sleeping with "clients"), a flat in the worst area of Drumchapel became available.
PS.
I WAS a GENUINE single parent after the death of my wife ....... I got NO help from the DHSS, the social work or any other agency.
Believe it or not I was more or less told "you`re a man, sort it out yourself".
As soon as I threatened to sue Glasgow Council for sex discrimination for not giving me a home due to the fact I wasn`t some wee slapper, then threatened to sue the social work for the same reason (plus there was a story in this paper at the time about social workers sleeping with "clients"), a flat in the worst area of Drumchapel became available.
Posted by: I Predict A Riot, Glasgow on 4:26pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I like being poor,after all if U are poor and find a pound coin it makes your day, whereas if U were rich, U would walk past it and miss all that enjoyment.The best things in life are free and hopefully always will be:-)
I like being poor,after all if U are poor and find a pound coin it makes your day, whereas if U were rich, U would walk past it and miss all that enjoyment.The best things in life are free and hopefully always will be:-)
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, At home on 4:29pm Tue 30 Sep 08
thistlemad wrote:
[quote]There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....[/quote]
I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... [italic]I wonder why that is[/italic]???
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
thistlemad wrote:
There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....
I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices...
I wonder why that is???
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 4:38pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Ive lived in the east end for 13 years and the evidence is all around me, that people who work are worse off than those who dont. Just in my building for instance, of 8 flats, only three of us own a car.
One single guy, works full time, has an ancient car thats had the back door stuck with gaffer tape for about three months. We have an ancient escort that barely goes, we both work full time. Our downstairs neighbour, two kids, never worked, ever - has a year old avensis. Theyve been on holiday twice this year. The kids have better phones than me.
I doubt very much that my building is unique. The teenage mothers and the neds get on the rush hour buses home, with the workers, laden down with shopping bags - no money? Gimme a break.
If any child in the UK is in poverty, it is because their parents are STUPID, and SELFISH, and have made poor, stupid, selfish choices about how to spend their money.
To see a huge number of people agreeing with this, just have a look at the BBC 'have your say' on this same topic today.
Ive lived in the east end for 13 years and the evidence is all around me, that people who work are worse off than those who dont. Just in my building for instance, of 8 flats, only three of us own a car.
One single guy, works full time, has an ancient car thats had the back door stuck with gaffer tape for about three months. We have an ancient escort that barely goes, we both work full time. Our downstairs neighbour, two kids, never worked, ever - has a year old avensis. Theyve been on holiday twice this year. The kids have better phones than me.
I doubt very much that my building is unique. The teenage mothers and the neds get on the rush hour buses home, with the workers, laden down with shopping bags - no money? Gimme a break.
If any child in the UK is in poverty, it is because their parents are STUPID, and SELFISH, and have made poor, stupid, selfish choices about how to spend their money.
To see a huge number of people agreeing with this, just have a look at the BBC 'have your say' on this same topic today.
Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 4:40pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
PS. I WAS a GENUINE single parent after the death of my wife ....... I got NO help from the DHSS, the social work or any other agency. Believe it or not I was more or less told "you`re a man, sort it out yourself". As soon as I threatened to sue Glasgow Council for sex discrimination for not giving me a home due to the fact I wasn`t some wee slapper, then threatened to sue the social work for the same reason (plus there was a story in this paper at the time about social workers sleeping with "clients"), a flat in the worst area of Drumchapel became available.[/quote] and i wasnt geniune.......not my fault he walked out and left me. But i didnt let that bother me and i certainly wasnt sum wee slapper but i was fortunate that i had a good family who helped look after my son whilst i went 2 work 2 provide for us both. whos now doing the discrimination?????
thistlemad wrote:
PS. I WAS a GENUINE single parent after the death of my wife ....... I got NO help from the DHSS, the social work or any other agency. Believe it or not I was more or less told "you`re a man, sort it out yourself". As soon as I threatened to sue Glasgow Council for sex discrimination for not giving me a home due to the fact I wasn`t some wee slapper, then threatened to sue the social work for the same reason (plus there was a story in this paper at the time about social workers sleeping with "clients"), a flat in the worst area of Drumchapel became available.
and i wasnt geniune.......not my fault he walked out and left me. But i didnt let that bother me and i certainly wasnt sum wee slapper but i was fortunate that i had a good family who helped look after my son whilst i went 2 work 2 provide for us both. whos now doing the discrimination?????
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 4:49pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Total rubbish.
Wouldnt wipe my **** with the report.
If these people didnt buy so much booze/fags/sky tv/trainers, and put their money into something worthwhile, instead of luxuries, then perhaps they wouldnt be so hard up when it came to bills/food (essentials) etc.
Many ppl in Glasgow East do not even have a SINGLE qualification to their name! Not one! What do they expect their lives to be like?
They only exist thanks to the generosity of the state benefit system!
Total rubbish.
Wouldnt wipe my **** with the report.
If these people didnt buy so much booze/fags/sky tv/trainers, and put their money into something worthwhile, instead of luxuries, then perhaps they wouldnt be so hard up when it came to bills/food (essentials) etc.
Many ppl in Glasgow East do not even have a SINGLE qualification to their name! Not one! What do they expect their lives to be like?
They only exist thanks to the generosity of the state benefit system!
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 4:50pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Nothing like missing the point .. eh??????
FIRST LINE
"There ARE exceptions to every rule."
Nothing like missing the point .. eh??????
FIRST LINE
"There ARE exceptions to every rule."
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 4:55pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
thistlemad wrote: [quote]There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....[/quote] I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... [italic]I wonder why that is[/italic]??? -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless.
You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to.
Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll.
YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!!
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
thistlemad wrote: There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....
I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... I wonder why that is??? -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless.
You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to.
Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll.
YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!!
Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 4:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
Total rubbish. Wouldnt wipe my **** with the report. If these people didnt buy so much booze/fags/sky tv/trainers, and put their money into something worthwhile, instead of luxuries, then perhaps they wouldnt be so hard up when it came to bills/food (essentials) etc. Many ppl in Glasgow East do not even have a SINGLE qualification to their name! Not one! What do they expect their lives to be like? They only exist thanks to the generosity of the state benefit system![/quote] looks like im an exception to this as well then!!!!
GAW wrote:
Total rubbish. Wouldnt wipe my **** with the report. If these people didnt buy so much booze/fags/sky tv/trainers, and put their money into something worthwhile, instead of luxuries, then perhaps they wouldnt be so hard up when it came to bills/food (essentials) etc. Many ppl in Glasgow East do not even have a SINGLE qualification to their name! Not one! What do they expect their lives to be like? They only exist thanks to the generosity of the state benefit system!
looks like im an exception to this as well then!!!!
Posted by: jamiebhoy, glasgow on 5:01pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
Nothing like missing the point .. eh?????? FIRST LINE "There ARE exceptions to every rule." [/quote] but its still discrimination at the end of the day. u didnt like it wen they wer discriminating against you!! anyway im off now so i wont be replying.
thistlemad wrote:
Nothing like missing the point .. eh?????? FIRST LINE "There ARE exceptions to every rule."
but its still discrimination at the end of the day. u didnt like it wen they wer discriminating against you!! anyway im off now so i wont be replying.
Posted by: Big Andy on 5:21pm Tue 30 Sep 08
98% of kids on the brink of poverty eh?
Who really cares?
There are more important things for Holyrood to bother about,
Like the Famine Song.
Now thats [bold]really[/bold] serious.
98% of kids on the brink of poverty eh?
Who really cares?
There are more important things for Holyrood to bother about,
Like the Famine Song.
Now thats
really serious.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 5:30pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I am not a SNP member although I did vote SNP at the last elections. However, [bold]JOHN MASON[/bold] is the first Politician (Certainly in Glasgow) who understands that to Truly remove poverty you [bold]NEED[/bold] to raise the Minumum wage substantially. It is a fact and also a terrible disgrace on every political party in this country that a working man/woman is subsidised to go to work in any shape or form through benefits. Until people's wages are raised, no matter what job they do in this country, to a level that brings them out of benefits, this country will never, ever remove poverty.
Benefits should only go to people who are unable to genuinely work through sickness, disablement, etc. The unemployed should be given timescales in which to find work, e.g. six months, then they should be put on a Work for the Dole scheme that exists in Australia. If they do not take up this work, then their benefits should be substantially cut, including all housing and council tax allowances. This scheme works perfectly well in other countries.
It is politicians, through their policies on the benefit system in this country, who are in fact causing poverty of the people of this country.
The [bold]CBI rats[/bold] said when the minimum wage came into being that there would be millions unemployed. They also stated, when part-time workers received the same benefits as full-time employees, that it would also cause millions to be unemployed.
France, Spain, Germany, etc., all operate a minimum wage massively above the UK and I don't see any unemployment in these countries. In fact, I'm just back from Spain and the Spanish people's standards are massively superior than the British standard in every way and their cost of living is considerably lower than ours.
It's not just the east end of Glasgow that has massive poverty, but it is all over Glasgow, from Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Easterhouse, Possilpark, Riddrie, Govan, Govanhill, Scotstoun, you name it. One thing I am sick of over the last ten years and longer, in fact, is that people in so-called leadership have always tried to portray the east end of Glasgow as being poverty-stricken. Well, it is, but the truth is, so is the whole of Glasgow.
I am also sickened by Steven Purcell, who pumps repeatedly Glasgow as some great cultural and wealthy city of excellence. Whilst the outside of the cup may be clean, the inside is most certainly rotten and he personally has done nothing to address poverty in Glasgow and I will be telling him so in the near future, believe me, including campaigning personally against him.
Everyone here should be going to their local MP and Councillor and telling them, unless they tackle this properly and get rid of poverty in this city above everything else, including the "diddy" games, then they are going to get horsed at the next election. Believe me, like the American people right now, you as a person, have the power against these politicians, but you need to stand up and be counted and horse them at the next election.
I am not a SNP member although I did vote SNP at the last elections. However,
JOHN MASON is the first Politician (Certainly in Glasgow) who understands that to Truly remove poverty you
NEED to raise the Minumum wage substantially. It is a fact and also a terrible disgrace on every political party in this country that a working man/woman is subsidised to go to work in any shape or form through benefits. Until people's wages are raised, no matter what job they do in this country, to a level that brings them out of benefits, this country will never, ever remove poverty.
Benefits should only go to people who are unable to genuinely work through sickness, disablement, etc. The unemployed should be given timescales in which to find work, e.g. six months, then they should be put on a Work for the Dole scheme that exists in Australia. If they do not take up this work, then their benefits should be substantially cut, including all housing and council tax allowances. This scheme works perfectly well in other countries.
It is politicians, through their policies on the benefit system in this country, who are in fact causing poverty of the people of this country.
The
CBI rats said when the minimum wage came into being that there would be millions unemployed. They also stated, when part-time workers received the same benefits as full-time employees, that it would also cause millions to be unemployed.
France, Spain, Germany, etc., all operate a minimum wage massively above the UK and I don't see any unemployment in these countries. In fact, I'm just back from Spain and the Spanish people's standards are massively superior than the British standard in every way and their cost of living is considerably lower than ours.
It's not just the east end of Glasgow that has massive poverty, but it is all over Glasgow, from Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Easterhouse, Possilpark, Riddrie, Govan, Govanhill, Scotstoun, you name it. One thing I am sick of over the last ten years and longer, in fact, is that people in so-called leadership have always tried to portray the east end of Glasgow as being poverty-stricken. Well, it is, but the truth is, so is the whole of Glasgow.
I am also sickened by Steven Purcell, who pumps repeatedly Glasgow as some great cultural and wealthy city of excellence. Whilst the outside of the cup may be clean, the inside is most certainly rotten and he personally has done nothing to address poverty in Glasgow and I will be telling him so in the near future, believe me, including campaigning personally against him.
Everyone here should be going to their local MP and Councillor and telling them, unless they tackle this properly and get rid of poverty in this city above everything else, including the "diddy" games, then they are going to get horsed at the next election. Believe me, like the American people right now, you as a person, have the power against these politicians, but you need to stand up and be counted and horse them at the next election.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 5:31pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Between Maryhill and Drumchapel lies Bearsden.Thistlemads father went to work,his neighbours stayed at home living on their investments.No mystery there.
Between Maryhill and Drumchapel lies Bearsden.Thistlemads father went to work,his neighbours stayed at home living on their investments.No mystery there.
Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 5:55pm Tue 30 Sep 08
maybe there parents should sell some of the gold bullion they wear and buy a cheaper line of casual sportswear or maybe get a job the lazy good for nothings....
maybe there parents should sell some of the gold bullion they wear and buy a cheaper line of casual sportswear or maybe get a job the lazy good for nothings....
Posted by: gordyboy, glasgow on 5:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
may i just say me and my partner just had a lovely meal of lamb with a mint sauce baby new potatoes and spring greens which cost less than a donner kebab good food doesn't have to cost the earth.....
may i just say me and my partner just had a lovely meal of lamb with a mint sauce baby new potatoes and spring greens which cost less than a donner kebab good food doesn't have to cost the earth.....
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:21pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Ross[/bold] wrote:
I am not a SNP member although I did vote SNP at the last elections. However, [bold]JOHN MASON[/bold] is the first Politician (Certainly in Glasgow) who understands that to Truly remove poverty you [bold]NEED[/bold] to raise the Minumum wage substantially. It is a fact and also a terrible disgrace on every political party in this country that a working man/woman is subsidised to go to work in any shape or form through benefits. Until people's wages are raised, no matter what job they do in this country, to a level that brings them out of benefits, this country will never, ever remove poverty. Benefits should only go to people who are unable to genuinely work through sickness, disablement, etc. The unemployed should be given timescales in which to find work, e.g. six months, then they should be put on a Work for the Dole scheme that exists in Australia. If they do not take up this work, then their benefits should be substantially cut, including all housing and council tax allowances. This scheme works perfectly well in other countries. It is politicians, through their policies on the benefit system in this country, who are in fact causing poverty of the people of this country. The [bold]CBI rats[/bold] said when the minimum wage came into being that there would be millions unemployed. They also stated, when part-time workers received the same benefits as full-time employees, that it would also cause millions to be unemployed. France, Spain, Germany, etc., all operate a minimum wage massively above the UK and I don't see any unemployment in these countries. In fact, I'm just back from Spain and the Spanish people's standards are massively superior than the British standard in every way and their cost of living is considerably lower than ours. It's not just the east end of Glasgow that has massive poverty, but it is all over Glasgow, from Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Easterhouse, Possilpark, Riddrie, Govan, Govanhill, Scotstoun, you name it. One thing I am sick of over the last ten years and longer, in fact, is that people in so-called leadership have always tried to portray the east end of Glasgow as being poverty-stricken. Well, it is, but the truth is, so is the whole of Glasgow. I am also sickened by Steven Purcell, who pumps repeatedly Glasgow as some great cultural and wealthy city of excellence. Whilst the outside of the cup may be clean, the inside is most certainly rotten and he personally has done nothing to address poverty in Glasgow and I will be telling him so in the near future, believe me, including campaigning personally against him. Everyone here should be going to their local MP and Councillor and telling them, unless they tackle this properly and get rid of poverty in this city above everything else, including the "diddy" games, then they are going to get horsed at the next election. Believe me, like the American people right now, you as a person, have the power against these politicians, but you need to stand up and be counted and horse them at the next election.[/quote] Ross, Help me out here, where will the money come from to tackle poverty. Would we not benefit also from incentivising people back into work and not rewarding those who are perfectly able to work but choose not to.
Ross wrote:
I am not a SNP member although I did vote SNP at the last elections. However, JOHN MASON is the first Politician (Certainly in Glasgow) who understands that to Truly remove poverty you NEED to raise the Minumum wage substantially. It is a fact and also a terrible disgrace on every political party in this country that a working man/woman is subsidised to go to work in any shape or form through benefits. Until people's wages are raised, no matter what job they do in this country, to a level that brings them out of benefits, this country will never, ever remove poverty. Benefits should only go to people who are unable to genuinely work through sickness, disablement, etc. The unemployed should be given timescales in which to find work, e.g. six months, then they should be put on a Work for the Dole scheme that exists in Australia. If they do not take up this work, then their benefits should be substantially cut, including all housing and council tax allowances. This scheme works perfectly well in other countries. It is politicians, through their policies on the benefit system in this country, who are in fact causing poverty of the people of this country. The CBI rats said when the minimum wage came into being that there would be millions unemployed. They also stated, when part-time workers received the same benefits as full-time employees, that it would also cause millions to be unemployed. France, Spain, Germany, etc., all operate a minimum wage massively above the UK and I don't see any unemployment in these countries. In fact, I'm just back from Spain and the Spanish people's standards are massively superior than the British standard in every way and their cost of living is considerably lower than ours. It's not just the east end of Glasgow that has massive poverty, but it is all over Glasgow, from Drumchapel, Castlemilk, Easterhouse, Possilpark, Riddrie, Govan, Govanhill, Scotstoun, you name it. One thing I am sick of over the last ten years and longer, in fact, is that people in so-called leadership have always tried to portray the east end of Glasgow as being poverty-stricken. Well, it is, but the truth is, so is the whole of Glasgow. I am also sickened by Steven Purcell, who pumps repeatedly Glasgow as some great cultural and wealthy city of excellence. Whilst the outside of the cup may be clean, the inside is most certainly rotten and he personally has done nothing to address poverty in Glasgow and I will be telling him so in the near future, believe me, including campaigning personally against him. Everyone here should be going to their local MP and Councillor and telling them, unless they tackle this properly and get rid of poverty in this city above everything else, including the "diddy" games, then they are going to get horsed at the next election. Believe me, like the American people right now, you as a person, have the power against these politicians, but you need to stand up and be counted and horse them at the next election.
Ross, Help me out here, where will the money come from to tackle poverty. Would we not benefit also from incentivising people back into work and not rewarding those who are perfectly able to work but choose not to.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 6:28pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
thistlemad wrote: [quote]There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....[/quote] I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... [italic]I wonder why that is[/italic]??? -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless.
You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to.
Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll.
YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!!
[/quote] As I thought, another [bold]brainless, clueless, uneducated[/bold] poster with a big chip on his/her shoulder who mumbles incomprehensively when challenged to support their inane rantings... oh, and BTW, this is NOT a forum, it's newspaper comments' pages... if you can't get that simple thing right I'm really not surprised that you can't understand a very simple request.
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
thistlemad wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
thistlemad wrote: There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....
I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... I wonder why that is??? -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless.
You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to.
Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll.
YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!!
As I thought, another
brainless, clueless, uneducated poster with a big chip on his/her shoulder who mumbles incomprehensively when challenged to support their inane rantings... oh, and BTW, this is NOT a forum, it's newspaper comments' pages... if you can't get that simple thing right I'm really not surprised that you can't understand a very simple request.
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 6:28pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Yak Yak Yak Blah, Blah percent Yak Yak. Tories,
Maggie the wonderwoman, Poll Tax, Yak Yak.
My Grandad would turn in his grave reading this total muck.
Here we are in the 21st century with the highest family allowance rates in history. Benefits being actually posted out to homes in ever increasing amounts. Jobs available that no one seems willing to accept (What...me clean streets or do farm work? Are you a mad person?)Free rents and allowances for the less fortunate and major invalidity benefits for ill health claimants. and what do we read...Weans are starving!
Give me a break here. All those Bingo loving, fag smoking, lager louting layabouts seem to be the main ones complaining. Get up off yer ar$es and get out looking for work, there's plenty of it out there.
My Grandad raised a big family in Nuneaton Street by working all the hours he could. Never once on the dole and none of his kids (or grandkids for that matter) were raised as spongers. We got absolutely feck all from the Social Services and didn't need anything from them.
Yes, the sick are with us and will always be helped, but starving weans...don't talk rubbish. If they're starving it's because the family allowances were spent on other things.
Glasgow is becoming a shame name countrywide again. Are we treally worse off than our grandparents in the twenties and thirties? I don't think so...and neither do any right-minded people.
Yak Yak Yak Blah, Blah percent Yak Yak. Tories,
Maggie the wonderwoman, Poll Tax, Yak Yak.
My Grandad would turn in his grave reading this total muck.
Here we are in the 21st century with the highest family allowance rates in history. Benefits being actually posted out to homes in ever increasing amounts. Jobs available that no one seems willing to accept (What...me clean streets or do farm work? Are you a mad person?)Free rents and allowances for the less fortunate and major invalidity benefits for ill health claimants. and what do we read...Weans are starving!
Give me a break here. All those Bingo loving, fag smoking, lager louting layabouts seem to be the main ones complaining. Get up off yer ar$es and get out looking for work, there's plenty of it out there.
My Grandad raised a big family in Nuneaton Street by working all the hours he could. Never once on the dole and none of his kids (or grandkids for that matter) were raised as spongers. We got absolutely feck all from the Social Services and didn't need anything from them.
Yes, the sick are with us and will always be helped, but starving weans...don't talk rubbish. If they're starving it's because the family allowances were spent on other things.
Glasgow is becoming a shame name countrywide again. Are we treally worse off than our grandparents in the twenties and thirties? I don't think so...and neither do any right-minded people.
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:48pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: thistlemad wrote: [quote]There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....[/quote] I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... [italic]I wonder why that is[/italic]??? -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless. You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to. Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll. YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!! [/quote] As I thought, another [bold]brainless, clueless, uneducated[/bold] poster with a big chip on his/her shoulder who mumbles incomprehensively when challenged to support their inane rantings... oh, and BTW, this is NOT a forum, it's newspaper comments' pages... if you can't get that simple thing right I'm really not surprised that you can't understand a very simple request. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] So where should the money come from Sydney to address these issues?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
thistlemad wrote: Sydney Meriwether wrote: thistlemad wrote: There ARE exceptions to every rule. The point is the vast majority ARE single parents by choice. You know it just as well as I do....
I notice you don't give any statistical evidence to back up your petty, dim-witted prejudices... I wonder why that is??? -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
If you really were "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." you`d know that stats are useless. You can twist figures/reports to make them support anything you want them to. Also, when figures from different places tally, then they MIGHT prove useful for something other than emergency bog roll. YOU above all should know ...... your statistics are regularly shot down in flames on this very forum!!!!
As I thought, another brainless, clueless, uneducated poster with a big chip on his/her shoulder who mumbles incomprehensively when challenged to support their inane rantings... oh, and BTW, this is NOT a forum, it's newspaper comments' pages... if you can't get that simple thing right I'm really not surprised that you can't understand a very simple request. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
So where should the money come from Sydney to address these issues?
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 6:51pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?"
Err - how about going out to work to support her child ?????
No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?"
Err - how about going out to work to support her child ?????
No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:56pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around [/quote] The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers.
Does anyone see a link here???
mulross wrote:
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around
The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers.
Does anyone see a link here???
Posted by: zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:56pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around [/quote] The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers.
Does anyone see a link here???
mulross wrote:
Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around
The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers.
Does anyone see a link here???
Posted by: youngchick, renfrew on 7:17pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Mulross,that lassie probably earned more concieving the wean
Mulross,that lassie probably earned more concieving the wean
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 7:20pm Tue 30 Sep 08
zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:21pm today
Try re - reading the Post.
zzipp67, Glasgow on 6:21pm today
Try re - reading the Post.
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 7:31pm Tue 30 Sep 08
As a working single parent of two I dont believe that things are as bad as they are saying. I know the east end has bad health problems and there are initiatives afoot to tackle this problem etc but poverty, I aint so sure about that. If I can pay my own mortgage, council tax and feed and clothe my children well, then, why cant others like me? I am not on benefits, never have been, but I still manage to take my children on holiday. I know people wonder how I can do this but it is down to being sensible with your money and not getting into debt. I know so called intelligent people with 3 times my income that are in a terrible mess trying to live beyond their means.
As a working single parent of two I dont believe that things are as bad as they are saying. I know the east end has bad health problems and there are initiatives afoot to tackle this problem etc but poverty, I aint so sure about that. If I can pay my own mortgage, council tax and feed and clothe my children well, then, why cant others like me? I am not on benefits, never have been, but I still manage to take my children on holiday. I know people wonder how I can do this but it is down to being sensible with your money and not getting into debt. I know so called intelligent people with 3 times my income that are in a terrible mess trying to live beyond their means.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 7:48pm Tue 30 Sep 08
In most poor countrys the poverty stricken who cannot afford to feed their children have to sell them either as slave labour or if they are inordinately fortunate for western adoption. How many parents in scotland glasgow or glasgows east end were forced into that poverty induced circumstance none eh what.
In most poor countrys the poverty stricken who cannot afford to feed their children have to sell them either as slave labour or if they are inordinately fortunate for western adoption. How many parents in scotland glasgow or glasgows east end were forced into that poverty induced circumstance none eh what.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 7:50pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]misty[/bold] wrote:
As a working single parent of two I dont believe that things are as bad as they are saying. I know the east end has bad health problems and there are initiatives afoot to tackle this problem etc but poverty, I aint so sure about that. If I can pay my own mortgage, council tax and feed and clothe my children well, then, why cant others like me? I am not on benefits, never have been, but I still manage to take my children on holiday. I know people wonder how I can do this but it is down to being sensible with your money and not getting into debt. I know so called intelligent people with 3 times my income that are in a terrible mess trying to live beyond their means.[/quote] Hello Misty. I admire the way you are bringing up your children but I summise from your post you are working. The trouble is with a lot of single parents, and according to statistics in the east end of Glasgow alone, which has the highest number of single parents in the whole of Europe, that they are not like you and many of them are on the benefit system. The trouble, I feel, started with politicians in Glasgow rewarding single parents by giving them rights and rewards for not working, by guaranteeing them a house above everyone else. This has also, in fact, been a terrible curse on everyone else in Glasgow, who were starting off legitimately and trying to get their foot in the Council housing system. It has been a terrible disgrace and has driven people to take out mortgages away above their head to obtain a house to live in and not to become statistics in the ever increasing homeless society.
Poverty Misty, comes in many, many forms and a lot of people don't understand what poverty is today in the Western world. We're not talking here about poverty in the third world (I hope you understand the difference), however, we are talking about real poverty in Glasgow that is as bad, and probably the worst in the whole of the United Kingdom. I have worked with poverty action groups in Glasgow and I can assure you, these people really know what they are talking about. The sad fact is, the politicians secretly hate them, because they expose them and their motives for what they are. Like the Victorians, poverty and the causes of poverty have never really changed, believe it or not. It's an argument that the media, politicians and most of society are totally embarrassed about secretly and don't want to enter into, in the fourth richest nation in the world, repeat, [bold]fourth richest nation in the world[/bold] .
[bold]Write to Steven Purcell and go and tell him to read a book called THE RAGGED TROUSERED PHILANTHROPIST[/bold].
I wish you well Misty and keep up the good work, you are a credit to your children and to this ever increasingly poverty minded society.
misty wrote:
As a working single parent of two I dont believe that things are as bad as they are saying. I know the east end has bad health problems and there are initiatives afoot to tackle this problem etc but poverty, I aint so sure about that. If I can pay my own mortgage, council tax and feed and clothe my children well, then, why cant others like me? I am not on benefits, never have been, but I still manage to take my children on holiday. I know people wonder how I can do this but it is down to being sensible with your money and not getting into debt. I know so called intelligent people with 3 times my income that are in a terrible mess trying to live beyond their means.
Hello Misty. I admire the way you are bringing up your children but I summise from your post you are working. The trouble is with a lot of single parents, and according to statistics in the east end of Glasgow alone, which has the highest number of single parents in the whole of Europe, that they are not like you and many of them are on the benefit system. The trouble, I feel, started with politicians in Glasgow rewarding single parents by giving them rights and rewards for not working, by guaranteeing them a house above everyone else. This has also, in fact, been a terrible curse on everyone else in Glasgow, who were starting off legitimately and trying to get their foot in the Council housing system. It has been a terrible disgrace and has driven people to take out mortgages away above their head to obtain a house to live in and not to become statistics in the ever increasing homeless society.
Poverty Misty, comes in many, many forms and a lot of people don't understand what poverty is today in the Western world. We're not talking here about poverty in the third world (I hope you understand the difference), however, we are talking about real poverty in Glasgow that is as bad, and probably the worst in the whole of the United Kingdom. I have worked with poverty action groups in Glasgow and I can assure you, these people really know what they are talking about. The sad fact is, the politicians secretly hate them, because they expose them and their motives for what they are. Like the Victorians, poverty and the causes of poverty have never really changed, believe it or not. It's an argument that the media, politicians and most of society are totally embarrassed about secretly and don't want to enter into, in the fourth richest nation in the world, repeat,
fourth richest nation in the world .
Write to Steven Purcell and go and tell him to read a book called THE RAGGED TROUSERED PHILANTHROPIST.
I wish you well Misty and keep up the good work, you are a credit to your children and to this ever increasingly poverty minded society.
Posted by: misty, Glasgow on 8:25pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Ross: Thank you for your kind words and pointing out that poverty takes many forms and reading your post I realise I am not as in touch with the real problems that abound in our city and have no reason to doubt that what you say is correct. I will make a point of looking into it more thoroughly. I only wish I could do something more to help.
Ross: Thank you for your kind words and pointing out that poverty takes many forms and reading your post I realise I am not as in touch with the real problems that abound in our city and have no reason to doubt that what you say is correct. I will make a point of looking into it more thoroughly. I only wish I could do something more to help.
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 8:32pm Tue 30 Sep 08
mulross, Glasgow on 6:51pm today
This is [bold]NOT TRUE[/bold] . We in this country have gone mad and become apathetic to [bold]ALL[/bold] the other payments made. This person gets [bold]ALL[/bold] her Rent and Council Tax paid and many other benefits (Like first place for her children in nurseries (For Free) even though she is not working). Extra points above everyone else on the Housing list. It comes to £££££ Pounds etc. Loony Country . [bold]Its totally like Politicians say the national health service is FREE when its in Actually the dearest System in the WORLD for working People.[/bold]
mulross, Glasgow on 6:51pm today
This is
NOT TRUE . We in this country have gone mad and become apathetic to
ALL the other payments made. This person gets
ALL her Rent and Council Tax paid and many other benefits (Like first place for her children in nurseries (For Free) even though she is not working). Extra points above everyone else on the Housing list. It comes to £££££ Pounds etc. Loony Country .
Its totally like Politicians say the national health service is FREE when its in Actually the dearest System in the WORLD for working People. Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 9:53pm Tue 30 Sep 08
[quote][bold]zzipp67[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote: Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around [/quote] The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers. Does anyone see a link here???[/quote] the whole of glasgow is full of we ****, give them feck all benifits or houses and sew up their pies
zzipp67 wrote:
mulross wrote: Typical whinger on the STV news tonight. Her teenage daughter had a baby recently and "she just gets given £54 a week - I mean, whit is she supposed to dae with that?" Err - how about going out to work to support her child ????? No wonder the country's in the state it's in with so many people of that mentality around
The UK has the highest incidence of teenage pregnancy in the western world. Th UK pays the highest amount of benefit in the western world to teenage mothers. Does anyone see a link here???
the whole of glasgow is full of we ****, give them feck all benifits or houses and sew up their pies
Posted by: Ross, Glasgow on 10:47pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Please People [bold]STAND UP[/bold] for your Rights. Don’t let these Politicians [bold]CON YOU.[/bold] What is wrong with you? Why let these people [bold]STEAL[/bold] from you and Deceive [bold]YOU. YES YOU !![/bold] Time to change, time to now write and contact your MP or Councillors.
Time to change, the time to now write and contact your MP or Councillors.
Tell them you have an opinion and you have had enough of this nonsense. Use your owe words and minds.
[bold]BUT[/bold] don’t [bold]LET[/bold] them talk down to you. (They are experts at that) [bold]STAND[/bold] up for you rights
Please People
STAND UP for your Rights. Don’t let these Politicians
CON YOU. What is wrong with you? Why let these people
STEAL from you and Deceive
YOU. YES YOU !! Time to change, time to now write and contact your MP or Councillors.
Time to change, the time to now write and contact your MP or Councillors.
Tell them you have an opinion and you have had enough of this nonsense. Use your owe words and minds.
BUT don’t
LET them talk down to you. (They are experts at that)
STAND up for you rights
Posted by: Blind.hippy, ayrshire on 12:51am Wed 1 Oct 08
The lumpenproletariat: criminals, vagabonds, beggars, etc. People that have no stake in the economic system and will sell themselves to the highest bidder. This is what glasgow has become really if you think of it in this day and age. yes there is those who try there best with what they have got but not in eyes of the bourgeoisie: those who "own the means of production" and buy labour power from the proletariat, thus exploiting the proletariat. The bourgeoisie may be further subdivided into the very wealthy bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie. We are divided into classes in this life. as in youre social standing. scum class . lower class.middle class. and then those who just do not give a dam like.glasgow city capatilists.hope you can understand this as im blind and im doing sociology at ayr college and yes im on benefits and i so wish that i could get a job but there is 85% to 90% visually impaired. or those who are blind.i went to a job club thing here im ayr and i got told sorry we cant help you now what is that supposed to do to me , if i wasnt blind aye we can help but hey you got a dissability you get tarnished with the same brush as doleites wasters of sociaty.and may i say not all single mothers are like neds slappers junkies some try so f.....g hard to try and do there best in life.there is six single mothers doing my course of sociology.so they not all jeremy kyle addicts, bill ayrshire
The lumpenproletariat: criminals, vagabonds, beggars, etc. People that have no stake in the economic system and will sell themselves to the highest bidder. This is what glasgow has become really if you think of it in this day and age. yes there is those who try there best with what they have got but not in eyes of the bourgeoisie: those who "own the means of production" and buy labour power from the proletariat, thus exploiting the proletariat. The bourgeoisie may be further subdivided into the very wealthy bourgeoisie and the petit bourgeoisie. We are divided into classes in this life. as in youre social standing. scum class . lower class.middle class. and then those who just do not give a dam like.glasgow city capatilists.hope you can understand this as im blind and im doing sociology at ayr college and yes im on benefits and i so wish that i could get a job but there is 85% to 90% visually impaired. or those who are blind.i went to a job club thing here im ayr and i got told sorry we cant help you now what is that supposed to do to me , if i wasnt blind aye we can help but hey you got a dissability you get tarnished with the same brush as doleites wasters of sociaty.and may i say not all single mothers are like neds slappers junkies some try so f.....g hard to try and do there best in life.there is six single mothers doing my course of sociology.so they not all jeremy kyle addicts, bill ayrshire
Posted by: atrocityexhibition, Glasgow on 9:35am Wed 1 Oct 08
I see that Syndey M and his bum chums are still gracing this forum with their piffle.
Sydney you're a bam and everyone knows it
I see that Syndey M and his bum chums are still gracing this forum with their piffle.
Sydney you're a bam and everyone knows it
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 7:00pm Wed 1 Oct 08
go to blochairn market . buy a bunch of vegetables for soup for less than a pound,buy clothes for the children at charity shops, do not waste money on ready made fast foods,find a part time job,stay out of pubs,learn to sew instead of throwing stuff away because there is a wee hole in it,make curtains from old sheets,do not buy little jars of baby food that you can boil up and mash with a fork, forget cigarettes ,...ye canny afford them,same with yer wee boatle, drink water or tea,.....why does the social not give those hints in a pamphlet along with the first welfare cheques? make use of the libraries, parks, museums,help out at some of the missions, wash the small clothes in the bath and hang them on the clothesline to dry,oh and keep yer hand on your halfpenny, so you wont need to go to the social for child support, because your recent lover is nowhere to be found,(or at least that is the excuse given.) look for books on war time household hints,...now there is a thought and a shocker.(i have never seen poor weans or people dying from starvation anywhere in glasgow or anywhere else in united kingdom.)oh and less of this ...gimme, getme, what more can i get attitude, it gets BORING.
go to blochairn market . buy a bunch of vegetables for soup for less than a pound,buy clothes for the children at charity shops, do not waste money on ready made fast foods,find a part time job,stay out of pubs,learn to sew instead of throwing stuff away because there is a wee hole in it,make curtains from old sheets,do not buy little jars of baby food that you can boil up and mash with a fork, forget cigarettes ,...ye canny afford them,same with yer wee boatle, drink water or tea,.....why does the social not give those hints in a pamphlet along with the first welfare cheques? make use of the libraries, parks, museums,help out at some of the missions, wash the small clothes in the bath and hang them on the clothesline to dry,oh and keep yer hand on your halfpenny, so you wont need to go to the social for child support, because your recent lover is nowhere to be found,(or at least that is the excuse given.) look for books on war time household hints,...now there is a thought and a shocker.(i have never seen poor weans or people dying from starvation anywhere in glasgow or anywhere else in united kingdom.)oh and less of this ...gimme, getme, what more can i get attitude, it gets BORING.
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