Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 10:53am Wed 8 Oct 08
[bold]DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL![/bold]
New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie.
Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR...
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic]
DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL!
New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie.
Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR...
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Sydney Meriwether
The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority. Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 10:56am Wed 8 Oct 08
It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.
It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.
Posted by: Eric Flack, Glasgow on 11:22am Wed 8 Oct 08
I dont think its £50 billion. My understanding its much worse. Its £500 billion of joe publics money.Correct me if I am wrong but by my mathematics this is what I understand is being offered to the banks that have failed. Some banks have not failed-wonder if they are eligible? £200 billion short term lending to banks, £25 billion recapitalisation for banks, £25billion "top up" fund. £250 billion Government guarantee for bank bond issues.So the actual sum to my ordinary mind is that the government have offered £500 billion. However it is possible that the banks that have failed my not need this money. Are their too many different high street banks? Finally how the heck are we going to pay for this? A massive rise in tax? Inflation is around 5% and pensions and benefits next April will have to rise by about 5%. Will their be any money for this?
I dont think its £50 billion. My understanding its much worse. Its £500 billion of joe publics money.Correct me if I am wrong but by my mathematics this is what I understand is being offered to the banks that have failed. Some banks have not failed-wonder if they are eligible? £200 billion short term lending to banks, £25 billion recapitalisation for banks, £25billion "top up" fund. £250 billion Government guarantee for bank bond issues.So the actual sum to my ordinary mind is that the government have offered £500 billion. However it is possible that the banks that have failed my not need this money. Are their too many different high street banks? Finally how the heck are we going to pay for this? A massive rise in tax? Inflation is around 5% and pensions and benefits next April will have to rise by about 5%. Will their be any money for this?
Posted by: Shifty, Anniesland on 12:03pm Wed 8 Oct 08
This has prompted me to look back at the Farepak fiasco when thousands of the poorest members of society had their Xmas ruined. It seems that it would have taken around £50m to sort this out. I realise that the global economy is at risk but I don't think that will be any worse for those who saved throughout the year to make Xmas a time for their families. Good to see the people's party can bale out spivs whose wild speculation has brought this upon themselves and not those who suffered through no fault of their own. The Government seems to be able to pull money from everywhere seemingly every week but couldn't find a relative pittance to help a more deserving lot.
This has prompted me to look back at the Farepak fiasco when thousands of the poorest members of society had their Xmas ruined. It seems that it would have taken around £50m to sort this out. I realise that the global economy is at risk but I don't think that will be any worse for those who saved throughout the year to make Xmas a time for their families. Good to see the people's party can bale out spivs whose wild speculation has brought this upon themselves and not those who suffered through no fault of their own. The Government seems to be able to pull money from everywhere seemingly every week but couldn't find a relative pittance to help a more deserving lot.
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 12:54pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[bold]DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL![/bold]
New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie.
Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR...
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] yeah yeah Sid, same old labour trip, just a different issue. as i said before you dilute your argument by rolling out your old 'Labour' moan. Give us all a break and find a new moan
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL!
New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie.
Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR...
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Sydney Meriwether
The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
yeah yeah Sid, same old labour trip, just a different issue. as i said before you dilute your argument by rolling out your old 'Labour' moan. Give us all a break and find a new moan
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 1:00pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SPAMALOT[/bold] wrote:
It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.[/quote] Not sure that I would go along with all of what you say.
However, you are right many of these people need to be held to account, particularly if the public are to regain their confidence in the banking system.
SPAMALOT wrote:
It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.
Not sure that I would go along with all of what you say.
However, you are right many of these people need to be held to account, particularly if the public are to regain their confidence in the banking system.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 1:24pm Wed 8 Oct 08
This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?
This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?
Posted by: George Square, Glasgow on 1:32pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: [bold]DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL![/bold] New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] yeah yeah Sid, same old labour trip, just a different issue. as i said before you dilute your argument by rolling out your old 'Labour' moan. Give us all a break and find a new moan[/quote] JJ,
Flaming Sydney doesn't have the "grey matter" to think beyond his ken, that is why he stays with what he thinks is tried and tested.
But you can't deny just how funny he is everyday! He never fails to give me a chuckle.
BTW, did you know Labour is responsible for the loss of the Titanic also?
Just ask Flaming Sydney he has a treasure trove of statistics that he rolls out nuggets from every so often.
I'm glad he as it, the rest of us are too busy gettin on with our lives for such inanity.
jugdement joe wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote: DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL! New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
yeah yeah Sid, same old labour trip, just a different issue. as i said before you dilute your argument by rolling out your old 'Labour' moan. Give us all a break and find a new moan
JJ,
Flaming Sydney doesn't have the "grey matter" to think beyond his ken, that is why he stays with what he thinks is tried and tested.
But you can't deny just how funny he is everyday! He never fails to give me a chuckle.
BTW, did you know Labour is responsible for the loss of the Titanic also?
Just ask Flaming Sydney he has a treasure trove of statistics that he rolls out nuggets from every so often.
I'm glad he as it, the rest of us are too busy gettin on with our lives for such inanity.
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 2:01pm Wed 8 Oct 08
I would like to know how a bank RBS, which posted a profit last year of 10 BILLION, can be I'm so Koch trouble 8 months later. O also think it is a question the govt should be asking !!!
I would like to know how a bank RBS, which posted a profit last year of 10 BILLION, can be I'm so Koch trouble 8 months later. O also think it is a question the govt should be asking !!!
Posted by: menniet4, perth on 2:12pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
I would like to know how a bank RBS, which posted a profit last year of 10 BILLION, can be I'm so Koch trouble 8 months later. O also think it is a question the govt should be asking !!![/quote] i too would like to ask that even hbos made a big profit last year and they had to get sold to tsb, to save the savers!!
jugdement joe wrote:
I would like to know how a bank RBS, which posted a profit last year of 10 BILLION, can be I'm so Koch trouble 8 months later. O also think it is a question the govt should be asking !!!
i too would like to ask that even hbos made a big profit last year and they had to get sold to tsb, to save the savers!!
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 2:16pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SPAMALOT[/bold] wrote: It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.[/quote] Not sure that I would go along with all of what you say. However, you are right many of these people need to be held to account, particularly if the public are to regain their confidence in the banking system. [/quote] Think about this, if i get a loan from a bank or use my credit card knowing i cant repay i get done for fraud,so in the days leading up to these banks going to the wall they were still chasing, so in my book they should be held to account.ie put before a jury and let them decide theres been to much corruption in the city for decades, hope its their last.
jugdement joe wrote:
SPAMALOT wrote: It was claimed the bank's chief executive Sir Fred Goodwin and chairman Sir Tom McKillop had agreed to stand down, but the bank denied the report.THEY SHOULD ALL BE JAILED IT,S CRIMINAL WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AWAY WITH,AND ALL THIER CRONIES IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE,THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH MONEY LAUNDERING.
Not sure that I would go along with all of what you say. However, you are right many of these people need to be held to account, particularly if the public are to regain their confidence in the banking system.
Think about this, if i get a loan from a bank or use my credit card knowing i cant repay i get done for fraud,so in the days leading up to these banks going to the wall they were still chasing, so in my book they should be held to account.ie put before a jury and let them decide theres been to much corruption in the city for decades, hope its their last.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:18pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?[/quote] It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic]
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?
It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager!
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Sydney Meriwether
The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority. Posted by: menniet4, timbuk 2 on 2:19pm Wed 8 Oct 08
why is the govt giving big companies, hand outs left right and centre, but the people stugling to even heat one room up are not getting any help what so ever, i was brought up getting told labour where for the middle and lower class people, but this year is changing my mind about them, they are offering the poor familys nothing, and they have deffenetly lost my vote, Is tommy sheradens party still going?
why is the govt giving big companies, hand outs left right and centre, but the people stugling to even heat one room up are not getting any help what so ever, i was brought up getting told labour where for the middle and lower class people, but this year is changing my mind about them, they are offering the poor familys nothing, and they have deffenetly lost my vote, Is tommy sheradens party still going?
Posted by: menniet4, spain on 2:29pm Wed 8 Oct 08
If the banks are that skint, why dont they just print more?
as they do have a licence for that!!
If the banks are that skint, why dont they just print more?
as they do have a licence for that!!
Posted by: iloveglasgow on 2:56pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[bold]DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL![/bold] New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] its all right for the rest of world but not us ? new labour and glasgow city council cause collapse of the world economy ?
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL! New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
its all right for the rest of world but not us ? new labour and glasgow city council cause collapse of the world economy ?
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 3:33pm Wed 8 Oct 08
So, I as a taxpayer will lend the Banks £2,000 of my tax money in order that they can make a profit out of me by charging me an exorbitant interest rate on the money THAT I LENT THEM!!
Seems that this banking lark is one I'd like to get into.
Now, Gordon Brown when Chancellor told us to be PRUDENT as he would be the best man to advise us on taxation and savings. Now (as Prime Minister) he authorises the Chancellor to rob us blind to bail out those PRUDENT Banks.
I wonder if MP's pensions are at as much risk as mine? Doubt it though. PRUDENCE can only go so far...eh Gordon?
So, I as a taxpayer will lend the Banks £2,000 of my tax money in order that they can make a profit out of me by charging me an exorbitant interest rate on the money THAT I LENT THEM!!
Seems that this banking lark is one I'd like to get into.
Now, Gordon Brown when Chancellor told us to be PRUDENT as he would be the best man to advise us on taxation and savings. Now (as Prime Minister) he authorises the Chancellor to rob us blind to bail out those PRUDENT Banks.
I wonder if MP's pensions are at as much risk as mine? Doubt it though. PRUDENCE can only go so far...eh Gordon?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:34pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]iloveglasgow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[bold]DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL![/bold] New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] its all right for the rest of world but not us ? new labour and glasgow city council cause collapse of the world economy ?[/quote] You'll need to run that one by me again love... am no a mind reader... [italic]what's your point caller[/italic]???
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic]
iloveglasgow wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
DESPICABLE, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL! New Labour at its very best: using tonnes of taxpayers' money to cover up its own astronomical failures while ensuring its rich buddies get a good slice of the big pie. Pensioners and the poor dying in their homes this winter because they can't afford to run a single bar fire and fat cats get a bumper cash bonus to save their winter holidays to Monaco... GRRRRRRRRRR... -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
its all right for the rest of world but not us ? new labour and glasgow city council cause collapse of the world economy ?
You'll need to run that one by me again love... am no a mind reader...
what's your point caller???
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Sydney Meriwether
The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority. Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 3:44pm Wed 8 Oct 08
I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers.
Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????
I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers.
Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:54pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers.
Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????[/quote] [italic]If you have to even ask that question then it's clear that you're as thick as your posts suggest![/italic]
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic]
jugdement joe wrote:
I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers.
Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????
If you have to even ask that question then it's clear that you're as thick as your posts suggest!
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Sydney Meriwether
The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority. Posted by: stevo, Glasgow on 4:19pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote: I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers. Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????[/quote] [italic]If you have to even ask that question then it's clear that you're as thick as your posts suggest![/italic] -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] Sydney, don't get gallus now or you may receive a boot in the tea towel holder
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
jugdement joe wrote: I see there has been a half % interest rate cut, it will be interesting to see if the main lenders pass this rate cut onto mortgage payers. Or whether they use the rate cut as a way of balancing their books ???????
If you have to even ask that question then it's clear that you're as thick as your posts suggest! -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
Sydney, don't get gallus now or you may receive a boot in the tea towel holder
Posted by: IainGlasgow07, glasgow on 5:03pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote:
So, I as a taxpayer will lend the Banks £2,000 of my tax money in order that they can make a profit out of me by charging me an exorbitant interest rate on the money THAT I LENT THEM!! Seems that this banking lark is one I'd like to get into. Now, Gordon Brown when Chancellor told us to be PRUDENT as he would be the best man to advise us on taxation and savings. Now (as Prime Minister) he authorises the Chancellor to rob us blind to bail out those PRUDENT Banks. I wonder if MP's pensions are at as much risk as mine? Doubt it though. PRUDENCE can only go so far...eh Gordon?[/quote] Check the credit agreement terms on any loans and credit cards you have, they could be unenforceable. Also so if the bank don't have the original agreement signed by both you and them. Might be a good bargaining chip to get your interest rates lowered.
Ronnie Cee wrote:
So, I as a taxpayer will lend the Banks £2,000 of my tax money in order that they can make a profit out of me by charging me an exorbitant interest rate on the money THAT I LENT THEM!! Seems that this banking lark is one I'd like to get into. Now, Gordon Brown when Chancellor told us to be PRUDENT as he would be the best man to advise us on taxation and savings. Now (as Prime Minister) he authorises the Chancellor to rob us blind to bail out those PRUDENT Banks. I wonder if MP's pensions are at as much risk as mine? Doubt it though. PRUDENCE can only go so far...eh Gordon?
Check the credit agreement terms on any loans and credit cards you have, they could be unenforceable. Also so if the bank don't have the original agreement signed by both you and them. Might be a good bargaining chip to get your interest rates lowered.
Posted by: The thinking alternative, City centre on 5:30pm Wed 8 Oct 08
The colapse in value in HBOS and RBS yesterday approaching 40% in one day shows the smokescreen up for what it was a few weeks ago when politicians were blaming the short sellers for HBOS's situation. They put a ban on short trading which is currently in place but still the 40% colapse. The government is running out of people to blame. All reasonable thinking people know that the negligent parties are the banks themselves and also the FSA which is shown itself to be unfit for purpose and must place some of the blame on the government itself.
The colapse in value in HBOS and RBS yesterday approaching 40% in one day shows the smokescreen up for what it was a few weeks ago when politicians were blaming the short sellers for HBOS's situation. They put a ban on short trading which is currently in place but still the 40% colapse. The government is running out of people to blame. All reasonable thinking people know that the negligent parties are the banks themselves and also the FSA which is shown itself to be unfit for purpose and must place some of the blame on the government itself.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 6:24pm Wed 8 Oct 08
FIRST the "interest rate" set by the BoE SHOULD be the maximum MORTGAGE rate, NOT the rate that the banks lend to each other. THAT might kick start the economy, or at least give us all a sense of realism.
Second, ALL bank share trading should be suspended worldwide, because the wide boys are STILL making a killing out of all this carry on.
And third, alyjough we all know nothing will happen, those at the top of every bank should be arrested (the entire boards) and charged with fraud and corruption. Although it may be hard to prove, it basically comes down to this ...... they have made BILLIONS, paid themselves MILLIONS in wages and bonuses, by allowing hundreds of billions in loans to be made KNOWING they could and would never be repaid.
As for this "short selling", who in their right minds could legally or even just morally justify handing over billions of pounds worth of shares without payment?????????? That is criminal incompetence at the very least.
Thatcher started the "greed" culture, even the Americans had to sprint to catch up with her. New "Labour" was always just a continuation of Tory initiated greed.
Well folks, we are now going to pay the heavy price for thirty years of greed, sleaze, fraud and theft.
But hey, I know what`ll take everyones minds off everything ................. look out for World War 3 starting near you soon!!!!
Melodramatic? Not really. Think about it, after the war, probably half the population will be dead, there will be jobs for all rebuilding the infrastructure of the whole world.
And we certainly will be too busy to remember to execute the morons and greed merchants who started it all ......... so WW4 in 50 years anyone????????
FIRST the "interest rate" set by the BoE SHOULD be the maximum MORTGAGE rate, NOT the rate that the banks lend to each other. THAT might kick start the economy, or at least give us all a sense of realism.
Second, ALL bank share trading should be suspended worldwide, because the wide boys are STILL making a killing out of all this carry on.
And third, alyjough we all know nothing will happen, those at the top of every bank should be arrested (the entire boards) and charged with fraud and corruption. Although it may be hard to prove, it basically comes down to this ...... they have made BILLIONS, paid themselves MILLIONS in wages and bonuses, by allowing hundreds of billions in loans to be made KNOWING they could and would never be repaid.
As for this "short selling", who in their right minds could legally or even just morally justify handing over billions of pounds worth of shares without payment?????????? That is criminal incompetence at the very least.
Thatcher started the "greed" culture, even the Americans had to sprint to catch up with her. New "Labour" was always just a continuation of Tory initiated greed.
Well folks, we are now going to pay the heavy price for thirty years of greed, sleaze, fraud and theft.
But hey, I know what`ll take everyones minds off everything ................. look out for World War 3 starting near you soon!!!!
Melodramatic? Not really. Think about it, after the war, probably half the population will be dead, there will be jobs for all rebuilding the infrastructure of the whole world.
And we certainly will be too busy to remember to execute the morons and greed merchants who started it all ......... so WW4 in 50 years anyone????????
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Leeds on 6:51pm Wed 8 Oct 08
Thistlemad. Maybe you haven't realised it but over half of the world's nations are actually AT WAR!!
Perhaps we don't really read too much into the wars that are taking place all over Africa,The Indian Sub Continent, The Middle East, Asia and Europe. But, and it's a big but...we have spent countless £billions as our share of the cost. Maybe you're right kiddo, not too many are being killed these days, the last real biggie was the Iraq/Iran war (over one million casualties). Our recent wars only accounted for a few hundred thousand...small beer eh?
Mind you, I doubt if any nation could afford to participate in a World War Three. Why bother though, as Saint Kentigern prophesised, the Yellow Man will eventually rule the world. When? Anybodies guess really.
And I thought this debate was about the World Banking fiasco...silly me!
Thistlemad. Maybe you haven't realised it but over half of the world's nations are actually AT WAR!!
Perhaps we don't really read too much into the wars that are taking place all over Africa,The Indian Sub Continent, The Middle East, Asia and Europe. But, and it's a big but...we have spent countless £billions as our share of the cost. Maybe you're right kiddo, not too many are being killed these days, the last real biggie was the Iraq/Iran war (over one million casualties). Our recent wars only accounted for a few hundred thousand...small beer eh?
Mind you, I doubt if any nation could afford to participate in a World War Three. Why bother though, as Saint Kentigern prophesised, the Yellow Man will eventually rule the world. When? Anybodies guess really.
And I thought this debate was about the World Banking fiasco...silly me!
Posted by: Brad on 7:05pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote: This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?[/quote] It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] Aye, and it's Blair that caused Iceland to take Putin's $5bn; the US to put $700bn (?) into shoring up financial services; the Dutch to buy up Fortis; Ireland and Greece to guarantee savings, etc. etc. Aye, it's all New Labour's doing. I'm sure that's what world leaders are saying... (or was it just you?).
Sydney, your broad-reaching grasp of global economics is dazzling... once again, you completely miss the point. But at least you didn't mention GCC; that's a start.
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Helmut de Smegma wrote: This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?
It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager! -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
Aye, and it's Blair that caused Iceland to take Putin's $5bn; the US to put $700bn (?) into shoring up financial services; the Dutch to buy up Fortis; Ireland and Greece to guarantee savings, etc. etc. Aye, it's all New Labour's doing. I'm sure that's what world leaders are saying... (or was it just you?).
Sydney, your broad-reaching grasp of global economics is dazzling... once again, you completely miss the point. But at least you didn't mention GCC; that's a start.
Posted by: Titus a duxas, Ft.McMurray on 7:06pm Wed 8 Oct 08
Why dont they just drop the mortgage intrest rates? it'll put a few more quid in home owners pocket each month which in turn will get people to spend in the stores, And raise the intrest rate on credit card holders making them pay more, if you cant afford yer I-pods or trainers then you will pay more for them on the tick
Why dont they just drop the mortgage intrest rates? it'll put a few more quid in home owners pocket each month which in turn will get people to spend in the stores, And raise the intrest rate on credit card holders making them pay more, if you cant afford yer I-pods or trainers then you will pay more for them on the tick
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 7:10pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote: This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?[/quote] It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager! -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.[/italic] [/quote] Aye, and it's Blair that caused Iceland to take Putin's $5bn; the US to put $700bn (?) into shoring up financial services; the Dutch to buy up Fortis; Ireland and Greece to guarantee savings, etc. etc. Aye, it's all New Labour's doing. I'm sure that's what world leaders are saying... (or was it just you?). Sydney, your broad-reaching grasp of global economics is dazzling... once again, you completely miss the point. But at least you didn't mention GCC; that's a start.[/quote] watch out for the TMC their a pair
Brad wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote: Helmut de Smegma wrote: This is a gobal problem and there`s muppets on here blaming it on New Labour?
It's a global problem caused by greed and mismanagement... step forward Tony Blair, the chief greedy mismanager! -- Sydney Meriwether The voice of Glasgow's silenced majority.
Aye, and it's Blair that caused Iceland to take Putin's $5bn; the US to put $700bn (?) into shoring up financial services; the Dutch to buy up Fortis; Ireland and Greece to guarantee savings, etc. etc. Aye, it's all New Labour's doing. I'm sure that's what world leaders are saying... (or was it just you?). Sydney, your broad-reaching grasp of global economics is dazzling... once again, you completely miss the point. But at least you didn't mention GCC; that's a start.
watch out for the TMC their a pair
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 7:56pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Titus a duxas[/bold] wrote:
Why dont they just drop the mortgage intrest rates? it'll put a few more quid in home owners pocket each month which in turn will get people to spend in the stores, And raise the intrest rate on credit card holders making them pay more, if you cant afford yer I-pods or trainers then you will pay more for them on the tick[/quote] Sadly Titas, thats too simple a concept for them to grasp.
LIFE is simple, PEOPLE complicate it.
Titus a duxas wrote:
Why dont they just drop the mortgage intrest rates? it'll put a few more quid in home owners pocket each month which in turn will get people to spend in the stores, And raise the intrest rate on credit card holders making them pay more, if you cant afford yer I-pods or trainers then you will pay more for them on the tick
Sadly Titas, thats too simple a concept for them to grasp.
LIFE is simple, PEOPLE complicate it.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 7:57pm Wed 8 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Ronnie Cee[/bold] wrote:
Thistlemad. Maybe you haven't realised it but over half of the world's nations are actually AT WAR!! Perhaps we don't really read too much into the wars that are taking place all over Africa,The Indian Sub Continent, The Middle East, Asia and Europe. But, and it's a big but...we have spent countless £billions as our share of the cost. Maybe you're right kiddo, not too many are being killed these days, the last real biggie was the Iraq/Iran war (over one million casualties). Our recent wars only accounted for a few hundred thousand...small beer eh? Mind you, I doubt if any nation could afford to participate in a World War Three. Why bother though, as Saint Kentigern prophesised, the Yellow Man will eventually rule the world. When? Anybodies guess really. And I thought this debate was about the World Banking fiasco...silly me! [/quote] In regard to your final sentence ......... ITS ALL RELEVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronnie Cee wrote:
Thistlemad. Maybe you haven't realised it but over half of the world's nations are actually AT WAR!! Perhaps we don't really read too much into the wars that are taking place all over Africa,The Indian Sub Continent, The Middle East, Asia and Europe. But, and it's a big but...we have spent countless £billions as our share of the cost. Maybe you're right kiddo, not too many are being killed these days, the last real biggie was the Iraq/Iran war (over one million casualties). Our recent wars only accounted for a few hundred thousand...small beer eh? Mind you, I doubt if any nation could afford to participate in a World War Three. Why bother though, as Saint Kentigern prophesised, the Yellow Man will eventually rule the world. When? Anybodies guess really. And I thought this debate was about the World Banking fiasco...silly me!
In regard to your final sentence ......... ITS ALL RELEVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SizzleRockwell, Glasgow on 8:52pm Wed 8 Oct 08
Sid Meriwether for president.
Sid Meriwether for president.