Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:08am Mon 27 Oct 08
So much for the regeneration of Castlemilk.
I have said on countless occasions that although some good things have happened in Glasgow in recent years, it appears that this problem is hugely ignored.
That, on top of the weekends of madness that is all too common.
Reading up on No Mean City and the media hype to freak you out, it appears that the city was not as violent back then as it is now.
Abd of course, we had double the population in the city back then compared to what we have now.
Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.
Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off!
So much for the regeneration of Castlemilk.
I have said on countless occasions that although some good things have happened in Glasgow in recent years, it appears that this problem is hugely ignored.
That, on top of the weekends of madness that is all too common.
Reading up on No Mean City and the media hype to freak you out, it appears that the city was not as violent back then as it is now.
Abd of course, we had double the population in the city back then compared to what we have now.
Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.
Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off!
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 11:26am Mon 27 Oct 08
I'll second that TMC: [italic]well done New Labour[/italic]!
So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise!
Funny how Frank McAveety is never around to comment on the bad news from his constituency... well actually, [bold]it's NOT funny, it's pathetic[/bold]!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
I'll second that TMC:
well done New Labour!
So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise!
Funny how Frank McAveety is never around to comment on the bad news from his constituency... well actually,
it's NOT funny, it's pathetic!!!
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:32am Mon 27 Oct 08
Although the comments from Aitken and Duncan-Smith are clearly relevant, it also appears to be political points scoring.
However a tad hypocritical, they ain't perfect themselves.
It just shows that to wipe out a city and clear Glasgow of its people was clearly wrong as today's story has proved.
It would be interesting to see what their solutions are now after the years of Social Cleansing - its your city and to be honest, after the Thatcher Years, most inhabitants of Glasgow today now don't give a toss for their neighbour or anything else.
They only care about themselves these days - thats all that matters.
On that note, I can see Glasgow becoming worse on top of what has been achieved in the last 40 years.
Of course, we will still have the odd skyscraper story and how its soooo wonderful and how we have the latest new shops to 'die' for blah blah blah.
Does it eradicate this problem???
Although the comments from Aitken and Duncan-Smith are clearly relevant, it also appears to be political points scoring.
However a tad hypocritical, they ain't perfect themselves.
It just shows that to wipe out a city and clear Glasgow of its people was clearly wrong as today's story has proved.
It would be interesting to see what their solutions are now after the years of Social Cleansing - its your city and to be honest, after the Thatcher Years, most inhabitants of Glasgow today now don't give a toss for their neighbour or anything else.
They only care about themselves these days - thats all that matters.
On that note, I can see Glasgow becoming worse on top of what has been achieved in the last 40 years.
Of course, we will still have the odd skyscraper story and how its soooo wonderful and how we have the latest new shops to 'die' for blah blah blah.
Does it eradicate this problem???
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 12:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote]Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.[/quote]
Cannae believe I'm agreeing with the Tories too... (depressing and out of control in itself).
There is an element of political point scoring sure, but at least IDS has made some effort to actually investigate and understand the problems.
Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.
Cannae believe I'm agreeing with the Tories too... (depressing and out of control in itself).
There is an element of political point scoring sure, but at least IDS has made some effort to actually investigate and understand the problems.
Posted by: gkar, Glasgow on 1:34pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:37pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]gkar[/bold] wrote:
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable[/quote] Hmm experts?
So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count?
With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London?
With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London.
Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies?
Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert?
Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away?
Maybe in your world it does.
gkar wrote:
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable
Hmm experts?
So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count?
With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London?
With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London.
Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies?
Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert?
Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away?
Maybe in your world it does.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:56pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??[/quote] Nope, they're far too busy earning easy money!
steven976 wrote:
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
Nope, they're far too busy earning easy money!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:06pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Having seen the likes of Hackney and Bermondsey, Peckham and Hoxton, it is easy to say that London has its fair share of problems, but don't be swept away by the fact that London has more problems than Glasgow and that London's problems are more severe just because there is a bigger population.
London is by far a more built up city with copious amounts of varying employment opportunities, there may be some estates which seem to be dead-end material, but these are small pockets compared to the larger conurbation. But becauise its the capital of England, and when it hits the news, suddenly it becomes Britain and the country is in a crisis?
In Glasgow's case, very little in terms of varying employment opportunities, and unlike London, most of the post war city - say around 60% of Glasgow is housing schemes.
That is the difference
To say London is worse is simply not true.
Social Cleansing!
Having seen the likes of Hackney and Bermondsey, Peckham and Hoxton, it is easy to say that London has its fair share of problems, but don't be swept away by the fact that London has more problems than Glasgow and that London's problems are more severe just because there is a bigger population.
London is by far a more built up city with copious amounts of varying employment opportunities, there may be some estates which seem to be dead-end material, but these are small pockets compared to the larger conurbation. But becauise its the capital of England, and when it hits the news, suddenly it becomes Britain and the country is in a crisis?
In Glasgow's case, very little in terms of varying employment opportunities, and unlike London, most of the post war city - say around 60% of Glasgow is housing schemes.
That is the difference
To say London is worse is simply not true.
Social Cleansing!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:14pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Yes I have read stuff in the past from the likes of Tony Benn, John Maxton, Malcom Rifkind and spoke in person directly with MSP's such as Gordon Jackson and Jack McConnell.
As Steven from Middlesex says... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
After all these years, its nothing short of a talking shop.
But the time for action is WAY overdue.
Get yer fingers out SNP, you're the governing party here, surely one or two of your MSP's will be reading this, get something done instead of continually being made a mockery by Westminster.
Yes I have read stuff in the past from the likes of Tony Benn, John Maxton, Malcom Rifkind and spoke in person directly with MSP's such as Gordon Jackson and Jack McConnell.
As Steven from Middlesex says... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
After all these years, its nothing short of a talking shop.
But the time for action is WAY overdue.
Get yer fingers out SNP, you're the governing party here, surely one or two of your MSP's will be reading this, get something done instead of continually being made a mockery by Westminster.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 2:15pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
Yes!! They're gonny go to Florida to look at swimming pools on a russian yacht but only for a fortnight though, so that when they come back all this will be forgotten about because house values will have dropped again.
Don't call me cynical....
Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
Yes!! They're gonny go to Florida to look at swimming pools on a russian yacht but only for a fortnight though, so that when they come back all this will be forgotten about because house values will have dropped again.
Don't call me cynical....
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:31pm Mon 27 Oct 08
And sorry to steal your thuinder Steven but Frankie Boy died a few years ago, you may have just said that in toungue and cheek above
1999 I think it was.
And sorry to steal your thuinder Steven but Frankie Boy died a few years ago, you may have just said that in toungue and cheek above
1999 I think it was.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 3:27pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??[/quote] A concert!!!!!!!!!you mad they would all be stabbing one another,there,s no short term solution to these wee neds running about with weapons,even long term sentences don't seem to phase these wee baskets but birching them every 7 days will,ask your great granda
steven976 wrote:
Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
A concert!!!!!!!!!you mad they would all be stabbing one another,there,s no short term solution to these wee neds running about with weapons,even long term sentences don't seem to phase these wee baskets but birching them every 7 days will,ask your great granda
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 3:38pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote]And sorry to steal your thuinder Steven but Frankie Boy died a few years ago, you may have just said that in toungue and cheek above[/quote] I stand corrected. Please accept my apologies for any unintended offence. The point I was trying to make was that when the going gets tough for our Politico's, they make it into a song-and-dance festival (sometimes quite literally!) instead of actually DOING SOMETHING!
And sorry to steal your thuinder Steven but Frankie Boy died a few years ago, you may have just said that in toungue and cheek above
I stand corrected. Please accept my apologies for any unintended offence. The point I was trying to make was that when the going gets tough for our Politico's, they make it into a song-and-dance festival (sometimes quite literally!) instead of actually DOING SOMETHING!
Posted by: I hear your pain, me,me,me on 4:06pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Its a country-wide problem not just Glasgow.Teenagers carrying knives & now guns has exploded & it aint going away unless sentences reflect the crime & cushy prisons become a thing of the past..
Unfortunately it is a a rite of passage for some of these murdering scum bags & having done time its worn like a badge of honour among them.
Tent city,hard labour & forget their basic human rights then lets see how many want to commit crimes against another person or their property.
Im not saying that it will end all crime but it would reduce it dramatically..
Its a country-wide problem not just Glasgow.Teenagers carrying knives & now guns has exploded & it aint going away unless sentences reflect the crime & cushy prisons become a thing of the past..
Unfortunately it is a a rite of passage for some of these murdering scum bags & having done time its worn like a badge of honour among them.
Tent city,hard labour & forget their basic human rights then lets see how many want to commit crimes against another person or their property.
Im not saying that it will end all crime but it would reduce it dramatically..
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 4:31pm Mon 27 Oct 08
No one has (as yet) mentioned the effect of 'Gang Culture' in the housing estates and the terrifying reasons for 'belonging'. Most of the gang leaders are hard men who intimidate others in the estates into joining 'his' gang. The results are all too obvious, as witnessed by the social misfits of Westburn/Carmyle who attacked each other with all sorts of weapons (including Japanese swords)resulting in the untimely death of one of the gang.
I lived in a scheme during my formative years (40's/50's) and never saw a gang there, nor would I ever have joined one. Today's kids are a much softer species who need weapons to feel confident...ergo, they would use them because they can't bloody well fight without them.
Oh aye, I had the odd bloody nose and black eye in my boyhood, but no power on earth would have induced me to take a knife and kill someone. I learned how to defend myself better!
Stop and search is needed and to hell with the 'do-gooders' who preach human rights, those poor sods who are knifed and killed had rights too. Get the cops into the estates, even nin twos or threes like the old days of gang warfare in the Gorbals and Calton areas. If they don't have knives, they can't use them. Forget about re-educating the neds, it won't work because they don't give a stuff. Keep the weapons away from them and they would be too chicken-livered to fight...who knows, they may even get a black eye...boo hoo!
No one has (as yet) mentioned the effect of 'Gang Culture' in the housing estates and the terrifying reasons for 'belonging'. Most of the gang leaders are hard men who intimidate others in the estates into joining 'his' gang. The results are all too obvious, as witnessed by the social misfits of Westburn/Carmyle who attacked each other with all sorts of weapons (including Japanese swords)resulting in the untimely death of one of the gang.
I lived in a scheme during my formative years (40's/50's) and never saw a gang there, nor would I ever have joined one. Today's kids are a much softer species who need weapons to feel confident...ergo, they would use them because they can't bloody well fight without them.
Oh aye, I had the odd bloody nose and black eye in my boyhood, but no power on earth would have induced me to take a knife and kill someone. I learned how to defend myself better!
Stop and search is needed and to hell with the 'do-gooders' who preach human rights, those poor sods who are knifed and killed had rights too. Get the cops into the estates, even nin twos or threes like the old days of gang warfare in the Gorbals and Calton areas. If they don't have knives, they can't use them. Forget about re-educating the neds, it won't work because they don't give a stuff. Keep the weapons away from them and they would be too chicken-livered to fight...who knows, they may even get a black eye...boo hoo!
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 4:48pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]I hear your pain[/bold] wrote:
Its a country-wide problem not just Glasgow.Teenagers carrying knives & now guns has exploded & it aint going away unless sentences reflect the crime & cushy prisons become a thing of the past.. Unfortunately it is a a rite of passage for some of these murdering scum bags & having done time its worn like a badge of honour among them. Tent city,hard labour & forget their basic human rights then lets see how many want to commit crimes against another person or their property. Im not saying that it will end all crime but it would reduce it dramatically..[/quote] Well you've done a bit of porridge well you'll know these places are full of so called hard men/ladies,your right no human rights hard labour 6 of the birch on a Friday they wont return,well you would still get the odd one but i doubt many,as i said full of weasels.
I hear your pain wrote:
Its a country-wide problem not just Glasgow.Teenagers carrying knives & now guns has exploded & it aint going away unless sentences reflect the crime & cushy prisons become a thing of the past.. Unfortunately it is a a rite of passage for some of these murdering scum bags & having done time its worn like a badge of honour among them. Tent city,hard labour & forget their basic human rights then lets see how many want to commit crimes against another person or their property. Im not saying that it will end all crime but it would reduce it dramatically..
Well you've done a bit of porridge well you'll know these places are full of so called hard men/ladies,your right no human rights hard labour 6 of the birch on a Friday they wont return,well you would still get the odd one but i doubt many,as i said full of weasels.
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 4:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote]Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.
Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off![/quote] (missing city)
[quote]So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise![/quote] (sydney)
Its actually rather pathetic that you two use such a sad and depressing story to try and score part political points.
This is an issues which transends party politics, and one, for which there is no simple answer.
There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society
Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control.
Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off!
(missing city)
So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise!
(sydney)
Its actually rather pathetic that you two use such a sad and depressing story to try and score part political points.
This is an issues which transends party politics, and one, for which there is no simple answer.
There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society
Posted by: jugdement joe, glasgow on 4:56pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote]There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society[/quote]
shows an absolute LACK of understanding
There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society
shows an absolute LACK of understanding
Posted by: Brad on 5:20pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote]I lived in a scheme during my formative years (40's/50's)[/quote] Michty, you were a late developer!
I lived in a scheme during my formative years (40's/50's)
Michty, you were a late developer!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:24pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote]There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society[/quote] shows an absolute LACK of understanding[/quote] Yes and you have an inabiltiy to read!
The next time something kicks off as a result of party politics in power - do yourself a favour
Don't complain to your diddy Councillor/MSP/MP/ME
P
Don't write anything in complaint or disgust to your local paper.
Justr sit back sweep it under the carpet just like everybody else.
Yes I can see that this is a problem caused by the people themselves - I mean half of Glasgow is socially redundant but that's the fault of the people.
I'm beginning to think its all middle class snobs that come on here who think people below them do not exist, and if they do, its their fault for being the scummy class they are according to some.
Like I said earlier, I expect this sort of thing to get worse, this lack of understanding by Ill-judgement Joe, clearly shows the attitudes of those who are voted in.
So what is the point of electing a party with promises to cut crime etc?
They make things worse, and you say politics isn't to blame?
Better go and do some homework mate!
Think also about why people have given up on voting as well.
jugdement joe wrote:
There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society
shows an absolute LACK of understanding
Yes and you have an inabiltiy to read!
The next time something kicks off as a result of party politics in power - do yourself a favour
Don't complain to your diddy Councillor/MSP/MP/ME
P
Don't write anything in complaint or disgust to your local paper.
Justr sit back sweep it under the carpet just like everybody else.
Yes I can see that this is a problem caused by the people themselves - I mean half of Glasgow is socially redundant but that's the fault of the people.
I'm beginning to think its all middle class snobs that come on here who think people below them do not exist, and if they do, its their fault for being the scummy class they are according to some.
Like I said earlier, I expect this sort of thing to get worse, this lack of understanding by Ill-judgement Joe, clearly shows the attitudes of those who are voted in.
So what is the point of electing a party with promises to cut crime etc?
They make things worse, and you say politics isn't to blame?
Better go and do some homework mate!
Think also about why people have given up on voting as well.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:48pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jugdement joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control. Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off![/quote] (missing city) [quote]So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise![/quote] (sydney) Its actually rather pathetic that you two use such a sad and depressing story to try and score part political points. This is an issues which transends party politics, and one, for which there is no simple answer. There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society [/quote] Clearly the height of stupidity
If the man had read the above posts, he would have noticed I have mentioned such issues which are detrimental in bringing about an equal society? (Sydney can speak up for himself)
Do people just come out with stupid comments, merely to raise a wind-up?
Not a very mature approacvh for this particular fellow, however it is a wild fashion on here to make (or attempt to make) a mockery of somebody else's words.
However, I did say months ago on here that nobody knows everything, but having spent the last 20 years studying this (sometimes at great depth) I can contribute positive comment whereas other people will come out with myths and blabber a load of keech.
Does it solve the problem? Or is it people are too miserable in their own selfless lives to even care that everybody should be equal, and are jealous when somebody gets a decent and helpful comment out before them.
I wasn't aware that was even a crime (as maybe hinted by Judgemnt Joe)
Anyway Joe, I don't care what you think, having spoke to many people over the years, from the ordinary man on the street to the high flying politician - it appears you have nothing constructive or valid to offer on the subject at hand.
Which brings me to the point, if others are offended by others posts (can hardly see what is offensive with what I have written), but bizarrely, Joe seems heavily offended for some strange reason and for that I suggest the ET bans comment, people become less informed anmd then we can become even more of laughing stock.
Hows that Joe? Suits you????
jugdement joe wrote:
Yes, I agree witrh the Tories, its depressing and out of control. Again, well done Labour! Years of loyalty have really paid off!
(missing city) So all the plans and intentions that an endless slither of self-serving, mediocre New Labour politicians unveil in the ET week after week aren't actually working??? My, now that is a surprise!
(sydney) Its actually rather pathetic that you two use such a sad and depressing story to try and score part political points. This is an issues which transends party politics, and one, for which there is no simple answer. There are economic, social and personal influences at work here, and for you two to simply put it down to 'party politics' is both pathetic and shows an absolute understanding of a modern society
Clearly the height of stupidity
If the man had read the above posts, he would have noticed I have mentioned such issues which are detrimental in bringing about an equal society? (Sydney can speak up for himself)
Do people just come out with stupid comments, merely to raise a wind-up?
Not a very mature approacvh for this particular fellow, however it is a wild fashion on here to make (or attempt to make) a mockery of somebody else's words.
However, I did say months ago on here that nobody knows everything, but having spent the last 20 years studying this (sometimes at great depth) I can contribute positive comment whereas other people will come out with myths and blabber a load of keech.
Does it solve the problem? Or is it people are too miserable in their own selfless lives to even care that everybody should be equal, and are jealous when somebody gets a decent and helpful comment out before them.
I wasn't aware that was even a crime (as maybe hinted by Judgemnt Joe)
Anyway Joe, I don't care what you think, having spoke to many people over the years, from the ordinary man on the street to the high flying politician - it appears you have nothing constructive or valid to offer on the subject at hand.
Which brings me to the point, if others are offended by others posts (can hardly see what is offensive with what I have written), but bizarrely, Joe seems heavily offended for some strange reason and for that I suggest the ET bans comment, people become less informed anmd then we can become even more of laughing stock.
Hows that Joe? Suits you????
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 6:14pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.
Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 6:29pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.[/quote] The thing is, the biggest part of Glasgow is a dump - imagine waking up to greyness in your face for years - depressed people, concrete for visuals.
I think that would be enough for anybody to go off the wall as many people have done young AND old.
Unfortunately its like that for many people in Glasgow (outwith the Purcell / PR & touristy glossy bits)
So unless you change the environment where people live, I can hardly expect its going to chenge the people.
Knocking down a scheme to put a new one its place (same set-up but different housing) then I its just a continuation - look at Castlemilk, spent some of my younger years there - saw before and after, not much difference economically, except a couple of factory units and a few extra shops.
It seems people are quite happy for millions of public money to be wasted every generation when no thought is given to a future plan, if things were done properly back after the war without wasting money on making Glasgow redundant, then Glasgow would have not have spent as much money as we have seen over the past 20 years rebuilding the post war failures because if it had been done properly, places like Castlemilk would probably never have existed.
But it has and a series of domino effects have occured since its creation back in 1953 as well as incidents and circumstances in each of the schemes in Glasgow
Mind you mass unemployment and population dispersal didn't help either.
A mixed bag of madness
Don't even get me started on the North side - a deliberate wastage of a huge chunk of the city.
Nobody cares, I expect it will remain that way with more domino effects to come.
Its a shame, people deserve better.
jrb wrote:
Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.
The thing is, the biggest part of Glasgow is a dump - imagine waking up to greyness in your face for years - depressed people, concrete for visuals.
I think that would be enough for anybody to go off the wall as many people have done young AND old.
Unfortunately its like that for many people in Glasgow (outwith the Purcell / PR & touristy glossy bits)
So unless you change the environment where people live, I can hardly expect its going to chenge the people.
Knocking down a scheme to put a new one its place (same set-up but different housing) then I its just a continuation - look at Castlemilk, spent some of my younger years there - saw before and after, not much difference economically, except a couple of factory units and a few extra shops.
It seems people are quite happy for millions of public money to be wasted every generation when no thought is given to a future plan, if things were done properly back after the war without wasting money on making Glasgow redundant, then Glasgow would have not have spent as much money as we have seen over the past 20 years rebuilding the post war failures because if it had been done properly, places like Castlemilk would probably never have existed.
But it has and a series of domino effects have occured since its creation back in 1953 as well as incidents and circumstances in each of the schemes in Glasgow
Mind you mass unemployment and population dispersal didn't help either.
A mixed bag of madness
Don't even get me started on the North side - a deliberate wastage of a huge chunk of the city.
Nobody cares, I expect it will remain that way with more domino effects to come.
Its a shame, people deserve better.
Posted by: LB, Glasgow on 6:44pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Can't say that this news is entirely surprising - after dark most of our city streets are ruled by gangs of drunken neds intent on fighting and terrorising anyone who dares to venture onto their terrority. However surely it is a mistake that this article actually made it into the Evening Times in the first place? I can only assume that the council press officers who provide the majority of column inches for the ET must have been on holiday this week - there's certainly not as many posting comments and desperately trying to portray Sydney M as a crank as there usually are.
Can't say that this news is entirely surprising - after dark most of our city streets are ruled by gangs of drunken neds intent on fighting and terrorising anyone who dares to venture onto their terrority. However surely it is a mistake that this article actually made it into the Evening Times in the first place? I can only assume that the council press officers who provide the majority of column inches for the ET must have been on holiday this week - there's certainly not as many posting comments and desperately trying to portray Sydney M as a crank as there usually are.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 6:45pm Mon 27 Oct 08
While our pathetic judges are handing out paltry sentences of 5 and 10 year sentences, murder WILL increase.
IF the public were ever asked (unlikely due to EU law!!) I am quite sure there would be a resounding YES vote for the reintroduction of the death penalty.
Labour MP Glenda Jackson was aked on Question Time ..... "if all your constituents told you to vote FOR the death penalty, what would you do?" ..... her reply? "I`d vote NO because I don`t agree with it".
She should have been charged with fraudulently obtaining wages, but I digress.
We SHOULD have a free vote on this, but like I said we never will.
After all, MPs and Judges don`t have to live in the same areas as we do!!!!!
Four "people" who are lower than animals, beat a guy to death on a Glasgow street.
Three of them got 5 years, and one got a minimum of 10 years.
What sort of "justice" is that let alone it has ZERO deterrent value, given that three of them will be out in 2 years.
A MAN WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
While our pathetic judges are handing out paltry sentences of 5 and 10 year sentences, murder WILL increase.
IF the public were ever asked (unlikely due to EU law!!) I am quite sure there would be a resounding YES vote for the reintroduction of the death penalty.
Labour MP Glenda Jackson was aked on Question Time ..... "if all your constituents told you to vote FOR the death penalty, what would you do?" ..... her reply? "I`d vote NO because I don`t agree with it".
She should have been charged with fraudulently obtaining wages, but I digress.
We SHOULD have a free vote on this, but like I said we never will.
After all, MPs and Judges don`t have to live in the same areas as we do!!!!!
Four "people" who are lower than animals, beat a guy to death on a Glasgow street.
Three of them got 5 years, and one got a minimum of 10 years.
What sort of "justice" is that let alone it has ZERO deterrent value, given that three of them will be out in 2 years.
A MAN WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED FFS!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 7:20pm Mon 27 Oct 08
CORRECT these MP,S are taking wages fraudulently and that Lord Turnbull needs a good boot up a8se,they get the chance to send out deterrents and never do it,s time these judges were publicly voted in and out there is only one judge who does his job consistent and thats Lord Hardie a wouldn,t like to go in front of him thats the way these s8ite bags should be feeling.
CORRECT these MP,S are taking wages fraudulently and that Lord Turnbull needs a good boot up a8se,they get the chance to send out deterrents and never do it,s time these judges were publicly voted in and out there is only one judge who does his job consistent and thats Lord Hardie a wouldn,t like to go in front of him thats the way these s8ite bags should be feeling.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 7:54pm Mon 27 Oct 08
We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care.
As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers.
If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.
We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care.
As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers.
If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 8:15pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote:
We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care. As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers. If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.[/quote] No they awe snort charlie
wild wadi wrote:
We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care. As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers. If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.
No they awe snort charlie
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 9:18pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Man from drumchapel beaten,kicked and stamped to death main perpretator jailed for ten years
and you wonder why the murder rate keeps on rising.It's possible that the killer could be out on the streets again in less than 4years!!.not even as long as a decent apprentiship, out in time for the london olympics, yes we really crack down on criminals in this pleasant land.The tens of millions spent over the last twenty years on useless [and you cant ignore the evidence} anti knife campaigns would have been better spent on more jobs ,more police on the streets,better low cast -housing and a no nonsense listen up this is for real message,carry a knife, use a knife you go to prison long term..
Man from drumchapel beaten,kicked and stamped to death main perpretator jailed for ten years
and you wonder why the murder rate keeps on rising.It's possible that the killer could be out on the streets again in less than 4years!!.not even as long as a decent apprentiship, out in time for the london olympics, yes we really crack down on criminals in this pleasant land.The tens of millions spent over the last twenty years on useless [and you cant ignore the evidence} anti knife campaigns would have been better spent on more jobs ,more police on the streets,better low cast -housing and a no nonsense listen up this is for real message,carry a knife, use a knife you go to prison long term..
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 9:27pm Mon 27 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SPAMALOT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care. As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers. If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.[/quote] No they awe snort charlie[/quote] But they're snorting it in a nice crime free enviroment. Camilla doesn't complain she loves taking charlie up the.................
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SPAMALOT wrote:
wild wadi wrote: We seem to be blaming everyone and everything for crime except the ones who choose to get out their faces on cheap cider and jellies hanging wouldn't deter these people cos they're too out their nut and don't care. As for fraudulently obtaining wages some of the posters on here could give us a few pointers. If people lived in a better environment they would behave better...just look at Buckingham Palace there's no crime there. I rest my case.
No they awe snort charlie
But they're snorting it in a nice crime free enviroment. Camilla doesn't complain she loves taking charlie up the.................
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Posted by: gkar, Glasgow on 1:06am Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]gkar[/bold] wrote:
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable[/quote] Hmm experts?
So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count?
With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London?
With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London.
Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies?
Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert?
Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away?
Maybe in your world it does.[/quote] Id rather not argue statistical analysis with someone who has already shown little understanding of it. London is 12 times the population, London is also 9 times the size of Glasgow and population densities arent that much different, understand now?
I dont see how sitting in a library for many hours a day (nor writing on this website for 6 hours today) makes you more informed than I. I have a friend working in the BHF and im well aware of the problems unique to this city. I also lived near the Calton for a while and I know what its like.
I said nothing about sweeping it under the carpet, i know the city has problems but the study is flawed, it includes data from 20 years ago and the most recent data is already 4 years old...
As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.
The Missing City wrote:
gkar wrote:
Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable
Hmm experts?
So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count?
With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London?
With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London.
Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies?
Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert?
Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away?
Maybe in your world it does.
Id rather not argue statistical analysis with someone who has already shown little understanding of it. London is 12 times the population, London is also 9 times the size of Glasgow and population densities arent that much different, understand now?
I dont see how sitting in a library for many hours a day (nor writing on this website for 6 hours today) makes you more informed than I. I have a friend working in the BHF and im well aware of the problems unique to this city. I also lived near the Calton for a while and I know what its like.
I said nothing about sweeping it under the carpet, i know the city has problems but the study is flawed, it includes data from 20 years ago and the most recent data is already 4 years old...
As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.
Posted by: gkar, Glasgow on 1:10am Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote]The thing is, the biggest part of Glasgow is a dump - imagine waking up to greyness in your face for years - depressed people, concrete for visuals.
[/quote]
you really live in this city?
[quote]Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.[/quote]
I walked through the city tonight for 50 minutes and there was no incidents, in fact in the last year I have only seen one crime despite walking everywhere as I have no car. The majority of Glasgow is safe amigo.
The thing is, the biggest part of Glasgow is a dump - imagine waking up to greyness in your face for years - depressed people, concrete for visuals.
you really live in this city?
Does it surprise anyone that this report makes glasgow yet again the murder capital of europe.Lets admit it we have a huge percentage of the population who enjoy inflicting violence on each other always have done and always will.till 3year mandatory sentences are handed out for possession of knifes [NO REMISSION,NO TIME OFF, NO EARLY RELEASE} Then the violence and murder rate can only increase.
I walked through the city tonight for 50 minutes and there was no incidents, in fact in the last year I have only seen one crime despite walking everywhere as I have no car. The majority of Glasgow is safe amigo.
Posted by: weeglo, Hawaii on 2:44am Tue 28 Oct 08
Jeeeeeez?is Glasgow really that bad?
Jeeeeeez?is Glasgow really that bad?
Posted by: marshall conklin, New Jersey, USA on 4:43am Tue 28 Oct 08
Can anyone tell me if it's really safe to visit the city of my birth?
All the news sounds so negative, are the people that violent?
Sandra Conklin
Can anyone tell me if it's really safe to visit the city of my birth?
All the news sounds so negative, are the people that violent?
Sandra Conklin
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:00am Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]gkar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]gkar[/bold] wrote: Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable[/quote] Hmm experts? So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count? With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London? With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London. Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies? Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert? Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away? Maybe in your world it does.[/quote] Id rather not argue statistical analysis with someone who has already shown little understanding of it. London is 12 times the population, London is also 9 times the size of Glasgow and population densities arent that much different, understand now? I dont see how sitting in a library for many hours a day (nor writing on this website for 6 hours today) makes you more informed than I. I have a friend working in the BHF and im well aware of the problems unique to this city. I also lived near the Calton for a while and I know what its like. I said nothing about sweeping it under the carpet, i know the city has problems but the study is flawed, it includes data from 20 years ago and the most recent data is already 4 years old... As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.[/quote] London
Population
Total 7,512,400
Density 4,758/kmē
GDP per capita Ģ27,633
The above does not take into account of the people who live in adjoining areas such as Middlesex (Wembley, Harrow etc) and Surrey (Croydon, Morden, Richmond etc) as well as the other adjoining counties around Greater London.
I find your assessment to be rather ignorant suggesting I am anything but a worthwhile contributor and I hang abou the Internet and Libraries all day.
Cheap comment does you no justice.
Glasgow
Population
Total 629,501
Density 3,298/kmē
Glasgows density is far less per square kilometre than London
London is more built up than Glasgow, for which vast areas in Glasgow are fields.
Maybe your not caught up in such activities to be involved in crime statistics, however, like yourself I can walk through Glasgow at any time of the day and there's never been a problem.
Never say never.
I wouuldn't be so cocky, certainly not in this place, you never know whats around the corner.
gkar wrote:
The Missing City wrote: gkar wrote: Again, those that post here like they were experts and yet none realise that the report is flawed. If you look at the maps included with the report there are more red zones in Glasgow than there are in the rest of the UK, there are no red zones in London, unbelievable!...now ive been involved with statistics for many years and this suggests to me there is some bias against Glasgow going on in this report, there is no doubt there are problems in this city but this report is flawed, especially when it is using SMRs to calculate and compare areas of the UK. Just look at this one, Bute is marked as red for cerebrovascular disease but none of London is marked as red or even pink...and thats laughable
Hmm experts? So living in London and Glasgow and having seen the grottiest pats of each city doesn't count? With Greater London having a population that is around 20 times that of Glasgow, London has more of a case than Glasgow, even as there is less deprivation in London? With Glasgow and its apparent problem, multiply that by 20 and see if the figures are worse or better than London if Glasgow had the same size of city and population as London. Having done years of research delving into the libraries and archives of The Mitchell Library, the Daily Record, The Evening Times and the Herald, Rutherglen Reformer together with film archive, courtesy of the BBC, STV and the Scottish Film Council (Now Scottish Screen) and detailed findings courtesy of MP's and researchers at the University of Glasgow and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - does that not count for anything? Is that all fakery and lies? Tell me GKAR, normally the only critisisms you have is the direct retaliation against other posters and their comments (normally non-constructive comment too), so does that make you an expert? Sweep Sweep, does the problem go away? Maybe in your world it does.
Id rather not argue statistical analysis with someone who has already shown little understanding of it. London is 12 times the population, London is also 9 times the size of Glasgow and population densities arent that much different, understand now? I dont see how sitting in a library for many hours a day (nor writing on this website for 6 hours today) makes you more informed than I. I have a friend working in the BHF and im well aware of the problems unique to this city. I also lived near the Calton for a while and I know what its like. I said nothing about sweeping it under the carpet, i know the city has problems but the study is flawed, it includes data from 20 years ago and the most recent data is already 4 years old... As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.
London
Population
Total 7,512,400
Density 4,758/kmē
GDP per capita Ģ27,633
The above does not take into account of the people who live in adjoining areas such as Middlesex (Wembley, Harrow etc) and Surrey (Croydon, Morden, Richmond etc) as well as the other adjoining counties around Greater London.
I find your assessment to be rather ignorant suggesting I am anything but a worthwhile contributor and I hang abou the Internet and Libraries all day.
Cheap comment does you no justice.
Glasgow
Population
Total 629,501
Density 3,298/kmē
Glasgows density is far less per square kilometre than London
London is more built up than Glasgow, for which vast areas in Glasgow are fields.
Maybe your not caught up in such activities to be involved in crime statistics, however, like yourself I can walk through Glasgow at any time of the day and there's never been a problem.
Never say never.
I wouuldn't be so cocky, certainly not in this place, you never know whats around the corner.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:06am Tue 28 Oct 08
[italic]"We've got under-utilised labour and land - 10% of Glasgow consists of vacant and derelict land - we've got houses being demolished because of lack of demand".[/italic]
[italic]Unemployment was significantly higher in Glasgow and the city also suffered from extensive "poverty, exclusion and ill-health", whereas in Edinburgh these problems tended to be more localised.[/italic]
From the BBC and Heriot-Watt University
[bold]What applies to Edinburgh could be said also for London.[/bold]
Glasgow needs to be brought up to an acceptable standard.
"We've got under-utilised labour and land - 10% of Glasgow consists of vacant and derelict land - we've got houses being demolished because of lack of demand".
Unemployment was significantly higher in Glasgow and the city also suffered from extensive "poverty, exclusion and ill-health", whereas in Edinburgh these problems tended to be more localised.
From the BBC and Heriot-Watt University
What applies to Edinburgh could be said also for London.
Glasgow needs to be brought up to an acceptable standard.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 10:08am Tue 28 Oct 08
[italic]As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.[/italic]
Youi have only gave cocky and rather meaningless slander in your replies, never spoke to you before last week, so the 'quite frequently' claim you made is a bit poor.
As for the direct retaliation comments, well you have a tendency to do this quite frequently yourself so i offer no apologies.
Youi have only gave cocky and rather meaningless slander in your replies, never spoke to you before last week, so the 'quite frequently' claim you made is a bit poor.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 2:06pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SPAMALOT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote: Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??[/quote] A concert!!!!!!!!!you mad they would all be stabbing one another,there,s no short term solution to these wee neds running about with weapons,even long term sentences don't seem to phase these wee baskets but birching them every 7 days will,ask your great granda[/quote] Do you remember "Scheme"? If I remember right wasn't someone stabbed to death at their concert in the Pavilion and after that Scheme disbanded realising there's only so much you can do. There a people who will carry knives regardless of their background.
SPAMALOT wrote:
steven976 wrote: Get the murder rates down in Glasgow by inviting Frankie Vaughan up for a sing-song!! That'll sort it out! As for the drug-taking, a concert along the lines of Band Aid is in order here.. Let's see now - possible acts are: Amy Winehouse, Babyshambles, Courtney Love... Now, is there any politician gonnae get up off their erchies and do something POSITIVE and MEANINGFUL??
A concert!!!!!!!!!you mad they would all be stabbing one another,there,s no short term solution to these wee neds running about with weapons,even long term sentences don't seem to phase these wee baskets but birching them every 7 days will,ask your great granda
Do you remember "Scheme"? If I remember right wasn't someone stabbed to death at their concert in the Pavilion and after that Scheme disbanded realising there's only so much you can do. There a people who will carry knives regardless of their background.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 3:51pm Tue 28 Oct 08
A stop and search initiative recently re-introduced in London to tackle the large increase in knife crime has seen a significant reduction in the amount of related crime. In other words, crack down on offenders does act as a deterrant.
And I am surprised that people are quibbling over the murder rate for Scotland which is largely concentrated in the Glasgow/Strathclyde area.
It is a respected body (World Health Organisation) that has identified in 2005 that Scotland has the second highest murder rate in northern europe.
Geographical size/population density is an IRRELEVANCE because it is calculated by percentage of population.
"Scotland's homicide rate is 2.33 deaths for every 100,000 people each year, compared with 0.7 in England and Wales.
Scotland's rate is put down to the use of alcohol and drugs.
Almost half of murders in Scotland are committed by people under the influence of drink or drugs - particularly in Glasgow, which, despite its successful effort to shed its hardman image in the city centre, is still plagued with violence in its east end and hinterland estates.
Scotland's second city is in fact the murder capital of Europe, with about 70 killings each year. Much of the violence is caused by gangs vying to control the city's drugs trade.
But a culture of young men carrying knives also plays a part".
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2005/sep/26
/ukcrime.scotland
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.
A stop and search initiative recently re-introduced in London to tackle the large increase in knife crime has seen a significant reduction in the amount of related crime. In other words, crack down on offenders does act as a deterrant.
And I am surprised that people are quibbling over the murder rate for Scotland which is largely concentrated in the Glasgow/Strathclyde area.
It is a respected body (World Health Organisation) that has identified in 2005 that Scotland has the second highest murder rate in northern europe.
Geographical size/population density is an IRRELEVANCE because it is calculated by percentage of population.
"Scotland's homicide rate is 2.33 deaths for every 100,000 people each year, compared with 0.7 in England and Wales.
Scotland's rate is put down to the use of alcohol and drugs.
Almost half of murders in Scotland are committed by people under the influence of drink or drugs - particularly in Glasgow, which, despite its successful effort to shed its hardman image in the city centre, is still plagued with violence in its east end and hinterland estates.
Scotland's second city is in fact the murder capital of Europe, with about 70 killings each year. Much of the violence is caused by gangs vying to control the city's drugs trade.
But a culture of young men carrying knives also plays a part".
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2005/sep/26
/ukcrime.scotland
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.
Posted by: Titus a duxas, Ft.McMurray on 7:02pm Tue 28 Oct 08
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.] I don't know about that, just in the City of Chicago this year there has been 400 murders and the year is not over, what I would like to know is whose Jacksie these Bams pull this sh8te oot of?
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.] I don't know about that, just in the City of Chicago this year there has been 400 murders and the year is not over, what I would like to know is whose Jacksie these Bams pull this sh8te oot of?
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:06am Wed 29 Oct 08
there was a story in one of the scotland newspapers about an ex vet eran being tormented by young thugs, even to the point of throwing things at his window, the support the elderly gentleman recieved through the posted letters was around 40 who threatend to do vigilante tactics, naming a day and time when this would take place....sinful that ordinary citizens need to stoop to this instead of police, who are better trained for these situations.
there was a story in one of the scotland newspapers about an ex vet eran being tormented by young thugs, even to the point of throwing things at his window, the support the elderly gentleman recieved through the posted letters was around 40 who threatend to do vigilante tactics, naming a day and time when this would take place....sinful that ordinary citizens need to stoop to this instead of police, who are better trained for these situations.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 9:12am Wed 29 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Titus a duxas[/bold] wrote:
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.] I don't know about that, just in the City of Chicago this year there has been 400 murders and the year is not over, what I would like to know is whose Jacksie these Bams pull this sh8te oot of?[/quote] Studies like these are usually based on a comparison of the AVERAGE percentage of the ENTIRE population across WHOLE countries - the spike you have highlighted belonging to a particular city is irrelevant in these models and will get included and rolled up into the national figure.
High crime rates in urban cities in America will seem less severe when set against NATIONAL AVERAGES because of low crime in rural/semi rural areas and suburbs.
Titus a duxas wrote:
The article also references another study that alleges that Scotland has a higher murder rate than Israel and the US.] I don't know about that, just in the City of Chicago this year there has been 400 murders and the year is not over, what I would like to know is whose Jacksie these Bams pull this sh8te oot of?
Studies like these are usually based on a comparison of the AVERAGE percentage of the ENTIRE population across WHOLE countries - the spike you have highlighted belonging to a particular city is irrelevant in these models and will get included and rolled up into the national figure.
High crime rates in urban cities in America will seem less severe when set against NATIONAL AVERAGES because of low crime in rural/semi rural areas and suburbs.
Posted by: bluey, glasgow on 9:21am Wed 29 Oct 08
Chicago city has a population of 3 million and is one of the largest and most densely populated cities in the world, the 3rd largest in the US. It's murder rate has declined from 29 per 100,000 of population to 15 per 100,000 over the last 30 years and is showing a downward trend.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Chicago
By direct comparison with Chicago, the Glasgow murder rate is likely to be less but I doubt it's showing a downward trend.
Chicago city has a population of 3 million and is one of the largest and most densely populated cities in the world, the 3rd largest in the US. It's murder rate has declined from 29 per 100,000 of population to 15 per 100,000 over the last 30 years and is showing a downward trend.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Chicago
By direct comparison with Chicago, the Glasgow murder rate is likely to be less but I doubt it's showing a downward trend.
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