Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:06am Tue 28 Oct 08
Buy them and dump them with the other Glasgow hand me downs graveyard over in the east coast.
Buy them and dump them with the other Glasgow hand me downs graveyard over in the east coast.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 11:31am Tue 28 Oct 08
Up and down the lazy river since 1926 and now its a fire hazard.Sad to see another Clyde built ship reaching the end of the line.
Up and down the lazy river since 1926 and now its a fire hazard.Sad to see another Clyde built ship reaching the end of the line.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 12:26pm Tue 28 Oct 08
When it comes restoration projects such as this the powers to be have always lacked ambition and show little foresight into what could become a successful tourist addition to the clyde.You just have to look at the "city of Adelaide" rotting away down at Irvine.
When it comes restoration projects such as this the powers to be have always lacked ambition and show little foresight into what could become a successful tourist addition to the clyde.You just have to look at the "city of Adelaide" rotting away down at Irvine.
Posted by: gkar, Glasgow on 12:30pm Tue 28 Oct 08
The Delta Queen should be saved, a visually beautiful ship that should be saved at least. To see this boat coming down the Clyde would be a marvellous sight to behold
The Delta Queen should be saved, a visually beautiful ship that should be saved at least. To see this boat coming down the Clyde would be a marvellous sight to behold
Posted by: phil, Glasgow on 12:40pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Why do the ET put up tiny pictures on the site? What's the point when they're only marginally bigger than the thumbnails in the story?
Would be a shame to see these reminders of the Clyde's past destroyed.
Why do the ET put up tiny pictures on the site? What's the point when they're only marginally bigger than the thumbnails in the story?
Would be a shame to see these reminders of the Clyde's past destroyed.
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 12:57pm Tue 28 Oct 08
It's very sad, but we have to face the fact that 'nothing lasts forever', and we can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'. I read somewhere that around 1900 - 1920, 'THREE QUARTERS OF THE WORLDS TONNAGE OF IRON-HULLED SHIPS' were 'Clyde-built'
It's very sad, but we have to face the fact that 'nothing lasts forever', and we can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'. I read somewhere that around 1900 - 1920, 'THREE QUARTERS OF THE WORLDS TONNAGE OF IRON-HULLED SHIPS' were 'Clyde-built'
Posted by: The thinking alternative, City centre on 12:59pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Click on the image you want to see phil and it will open enlarged in another window. You may have to turn off your popup blocker if it doesn't work.
Click on the image you want to see phil and it will open enlarged in another window. You may have to turn off your popup blocker if it doesn't work.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:22pm Tue 28 Oct 08
If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!!
If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:33pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!![/quote] Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough.
As Victor Meldrew said:
[italic]We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'.[/italic]
This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions.
I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby.
Nothing like that here.
steven976 wrote:
If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!!
Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough.
As Victor Meldrew said:
We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'.
This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions.
I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby.
Nothing like that here.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 1:41pm Tue 28 Oct 08
I bet somebody quips
"Oh there is a maritime museum here"
Never been in them, that being Irvine and Braehead but I bet it only contains a few items that somebody thought was wise enough to salvage compared to the collosus that is the museum in London.
That alongside the attractions nearby.
Not that I'm slagging off our museums, but it just goes to show the level of interest here to show the world how big and great the Clyde really was and what made us famous across the world.
Nothing short of a joke.
I bet somebody quips
"Oh there is a maritime museum here"
Never been in them, that being Irvine and Braehead but I bet it only contains a few items that somebody thought was wise enough to salvage compared to the collosus that is the museum in London.
That alongside the attractions nearby.
Not that I'm slagging off our museums, but it just goes to show the level of interest here to show the world how big and great the Clyde really was and what made us famous across the world.
Nothing short of a joke.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:48pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote: If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!![/quote] Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough. As Victor Meldrew said: [italic]We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'.[/italic] This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions. I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby. Nothing like that here.[/quote] MC - I like that kind of joined-up thinking! Let's have a Maritime Museum, perhaps in James Watt Street, on the site of the old Merchant Seaman's building. We could perhaps also berth these 2 vessels in this story next to JW street on the Broomielaw. It's a pity that the QEII and the Britannia are too big to get this far up the Clyde, but i'm sure that, for an extra few quid, the museum could operate a river-taxi service to the Lower Clyde, where these larger vessels could be anchored. The name of the movie escapes me, but I think one of the lines in it goes something like "build it and they will come!".. Let's start building this Maritime Museum in Glasgow then!!
The Missing City wrote:
steven976 wrote: If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!!
Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough. As Victor Meldrew said: We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'. This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions. I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby. Nothing like that here.
MC - I like that kind of joined-up thinking! Let's have a Maritime Museum, perhaps in James Watt Street, on the site of the old Merchant Seaman's building. We could perhaps also berth these 2 vessels in this story next to JW street on the Broomielaw. It's a pity that the QEII and the Britannia are too big to get this far up the Clyde, but i'm sure that, for an extra few quid, the museum could operate a river-taxi service to the Lower Clyde, where these larger vessels could be anchored. The name of the movie escapes me, but I think one of the lines in it goes something like "build it and they will come!".. Let's start building this Maritime Museum in Glasgow then!!
Posted by: ERIC LOTHIAN, everywhere on 1:50pm Tue 28 Oct 08
JIM FAE GLASGOW 1ST COMMENT YER A FRAUD
JIM FAE GLASGOW 1ST COMMENT YER A FRAUD
Posted by: George Brown, glasgow on 1:52pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Intriguing to read that a former provost of Inverclyde supports the return of the boats, they can't keep up with the maintenance of the one they have a few miles down the road in Port Glasgow
Intriguing to read that a former provost of Inverclyde supports the return of the boats, they can't keep up with the maintenance of the one they have a few miles down the road in Port Glasgow
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:58pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Glasgow built on the Clyde, by the monies that the various merchants brought to the city? So, why can't we now make the city (and the whole of Scotland) thrive on "proper" tourism here? If other cities worldwide can do it, why can't Glasgow? It would help the Jumeirah Group, for example, justify their investment in building a top-class hotel in the city centre!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Glasgow built on the Clyde, by the monies that the various merchants brought to the city? So, why can't we now make the city (and the whole of Scotland) thrive on "proper" tourism here? If other cities worldwide can do it, why can't Glasgow? It would help the Jumeirah Group, for example, justify their investment in building a top-class hotel in the city centre!
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 1:58pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote: If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!![/quote] Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough. As Victor Meldrew said: [italic]We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'.[/italic] This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions. I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby. Nothing like that here.[/quote] MC - I like that kind of joined-up thinking! Let's have a Maritime Museum, perhaps in James Watt Street, on the site of the old Merchant Seaman's building. We could perhaps also berth these 2 vessels in this story next to JW street on the Broomielaw. It's a pity that the QEII and the Britannia are too big to get this far up the Clyde, but i'm sure that, for an extra few quid, the museum could operate a river-taxi service to the Lower Clyde, where these larger vessels could be anchored. The name of the movie escapes me, but I think one of the lines in it goes something like "build it and they will come!".. Let's start building this Maritime Museum in Glasgow then!![/quote] You need look no further than the govan dry docks when considering a site for a maritime museum.
steven976 wrote:
The Missing City wrote: steven976 wrote: If the money could be found to repair the Mary Rose, and the Cutty Sark, then the same money should be found to restore these boats to their former glory. I reckon they would be a brilliant tourist attraction, telling a story of when the Clyde was a thriving river, famed throughout the world as MASTER SHIPBUILDERS! Modern ships are built by machines - these boats were built by craftsmen!!
Well said - although that kind of thinking does not apply to Glasgow oddly enough. As Victor Meldrew said: We can't afford to keep throwing money at old ships,-it would be an 'ongoing expense'. This is probably the reason why it doesn't apply to us, but there's not a problem with those other ships you mention, maybe because its London attractions. I remember watching TV am on the morning the tudor rose was lifted from the channel - at that time, I was living and going to school only a mile or so from The Cutty Sark which I have seen on several occasions along with visiting the Maritime Museum nearby. Nothing like that here.
MC - I like that kind of joined-up thinking! Let's have a Maritime Museum, perhaps in James Watt Street, on the site of the old Merchant Seaman's building. We could perhaps also berth these 2 vessels in this story next to JW street on the Broomielaw. It's a pity that the QEII and the Britannia are too big to get this far up the Clyde, but i'm sure that, for an extra few quid, the museum could operate a river-taxi service to the Lower Clyde, where these larger vessels could be anchored. The name of the movie escapes me, but I think one of the lines in it goes something like "build it and they will come!".. Let's start building this Maritime Museum in Glasgow then!!
You need look no further than the govan dry docks when considering a site for a maritime museum.
Posted by: Tennscot, Tenn. on 1:58pm Tue 28 Oct 08
I may still be saved, It`s still operating, and the decision , which is a maritime law for sea going ships is being appealed.It is only the wooden superstructure in question. New paint technology has excellent fire retardant Paint.This may be a way to satisfy the exemption .
I may still be saved, It`s still operating, and the decision , which is a maritime law for sea going ships is being appealed.It is only the wooden superstructure in question. New paint technology has excellent fire retardant Paint.This may be a way to satisfy the exemption .
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 1:59pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]ERIC LOTHIAN[/bold] wrote:
JIM FAE GLASGOW 1ST COMMENT YER A FRAUD[/quote] WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND YOUR RANTS!!
ERIC LOTHIAN wrote:
JIM FAE GLASGOW 1ST COMMENT YER A FRAUD
WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND YOUR RANTS!!
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:03pm Tue 28 Oct 08
JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au
stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!!
JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au
stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!!
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 2:23pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!![/quote] Govan dry docks ,yorkhill basin as you say it dosen't matter,but the message must be lets cash in on the "Clyde built" name.Portsmouth has it's naval dockyard ,london the cutty-sark and mary rose ,if it can be done down south why not here..the answer lies in my first post..
steven976 wrote:
JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!!
Govan dry docks ,yorkhill basin as you say it dosen't matter,but the message must be lets cash in on the "Clyde built" name.Portsmouth has it's naval dockyard ,london the cutty-sark and mary rose ,if it can be done down south why not here..the answer lies in my first post..
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:32pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote: JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!![/quote] Govan dry docks ,yorkhill basin as you say it dosen't matter,but the message must be lets cash in on the "Clyde built" name.Portsmouth has it's naval dockyard ,london the cutty-sark and mary rose ,if it can be done down south why not here..the answer lies in my first post..[/quote] Knowing our City Fathers, they'll be waiting for a "knight in shining armour" to come along and throw money at these kinds of schemes, since their short-term thinking tells them they will be crucified for spending tax-payers money on "pie in the sky" projects like this, but if there was a charge to visit this type of museum (and the river-taxis to feed the lager ships I mentioned earlier) this project would fund itself in a matter of a few short years at most!
jrb wrote:
steven976 wrote: JRB: immaterial where it is sited, so long as it is a project that gets off the ground! I don't doubt that you, me, and many others on here have/had a relative whose job was associated with the Clyde. More to the point, I'll bet there are lots of American/Canadian/Au stralian tourists that have ancestors that worked on the Clyde, and we all know the Yanks love all things "scotch"!!
Govan dry docks ,yorkhill basin as you say it dosen't matter,but the message must be lets cash in on the "Clyde built" name.Portsmouth has it's naval dockyard ,london the cutty-sark and mary rose ,if it can be done down south why not here..the answer lies in my first post..
Knowing our City Fathers, they'll be waiting for a "knight in shining armour" to come along and throw money at these kinds of schemes, since their short-term thinking tells them they will be crucified for spending tax-payers money on "pie in the sky" projects like this, but if there was a charge to visit this type of museum (and the river-taxis to feed the lager ships I mentioned earlier) this project would fund itself in a matter of a few short years at most!
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 2:39pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]lager ships[/bold] [/quote] Either I made a typo here, or subconciously, I believe they also build ships at Wellpark Brewery!! LOL!! Of course, I meant [bold]LARGER[/bold]
lager ships
Either I made a typo here, or subconciously, I believe they also build ships at Wellpark Brewery!! LOL!! Of course, I meant
LARGER Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 2:51pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]lager ships[/bold] [/quote] Either I made a typo here, or subconciously, I believe they also build ships at Wellpark Brewery!! LOL!! Of course, I meant [bold]LARGER[/bold] [/quote] In the drink takes on a new meaning!
steven976 wrote:
lager ships
Either I made a typo here, or subconciously, I believe they also build ships at Wellpark Brewery!! LOL!! Of course, I meant LARGER
In the drink takes on a new meaning!
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 2:56pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Cany build a museum on the upper clyde there to busy building white elephant housing schemes
Cany build a museum on the upper clyde there to busy building white elephant housing schemes
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 3:01pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote]housing schemes[/quote] - they're places fur nyaffs.. Yuppies live in socio-economic residential environments!! Helps tae shove the prices up, you see!!
housing schemes
- they're places fur nyaffs.. Yuppies live in socio-economic residential environments!! Helps tae shove the prices up, you see!!
Posted by: Brad on 3:46pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Would be great to se these ships saved but there's no political will, and probably - let's be honest - not a huge amount of public interest. Glasgow has a strangely ambivalent attitude towards its industrial past - but given how significant it was, and how it has shaped the city, it should be recognised, respected and - to a certain extent - celebrated.
If you don't know where you've come from, how can you know where you're going?
Part of the problem is that Clydebuilt isn't just Glasgow and there would be opposition to concentrating a major maritime museum on one site (which is what's needed). I suspect that's why we've got three little and little-visited, museums at Irvine, Braehead and Dumbarton. If much of their material and the few vessels were concentrated around Stobcross Quay, Princes Dock and the Graving Docks, with shuttle ferries (also a Clyde throwback) linking across the river there's the potential for a world-class centre. But sadly, it won't happen.
What's really missing are the great ships of the Clyde: liners, large warships and the general freight ships that were the river's stock-in-trade. The vessels in this article are part of the Clyde's story but not the central features.
Would be great to se these ships saved but there's no political will, and probably - let's be honest - not a huge amount of public interest. Glasgow has a strangely ambivalent attitude towards its industrial past - but given how significant it was, and how it has shaped the city, it should be recognised, respected and - to a certain extent - celebrated.
If you don't know where you've come from, how can you know where you're going?
Part of the problem is that Clydebuilt isn't just Glasgow and there would be opposition to concentrating a major maritime museum on one site (which is what's needed). I suspect that's why we've got three little and little-visited, museums at Irvine, Braehead and Dumbarton. If much of their material and the few vessels were concentrated around Stobcross Quay, Princes Dock and the Graving Docks, with shuttle ferries (also a Clyde throwback) linking across the river there's the potential for a world-class centre. But sadly, it won't happen.
What's really missing are the great ships of the Clyde: liners, large warships and the general freight ships that were the river's stock-in-trade. The vessels in this article are part of the Clyde's story but not the central features.
Posted by: Bill Emerson, USA on 4:13pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks.
Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks.
Posted by: Harry, Glasgow on 4:33pm Tue 28 Oct 08
With a little bit of foresight surely it would have been possible to build berthing facilities on the Clyde beside the new transport museum, in readiness for any Clyde built ship.
With a little bit of foresight surely it would have been possible to build berthing facilities on the Clyde beside the new transport museum, in readiness for any Clyde built ship.
Posted by: Johnny, Glasgow on 4:33pm Tue 28 Oct 08
There is one of the smartest wee paddle steamers in the world,"Maid of the Loch" tied up at Balloch pier crying out for funds.Im no mariner but I think the Delta Queen would be better in a place like Loch Lomond.
There is one of the smartest wee paddle steamers in the world,"Maid of the Loch" tied up at Balloch pier crying out for funds.Im no mariner but I think the Delta Queen would be better in a place like Loch Lomond.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:34pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Bill Emerson[/bold] wrote:
Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks. [/quote] Bill: Hamburg's got the notorious Reeperbahn, whereas Glasgow's got West Campbell Street... No competition, is it??
Bill Emerson wrote:
Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks.
Bill: Hamburg's got the notorious Reeperbahn, whereas Glasgow's got West Campbell Street... No competition, is it??
Posted by: JKBrigance, Falkirk on 4:58pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Fine boats as no doubt they are, in this climate of financial crisis the parliament should not underwrite any preservation/bring them home project. I suggest the idea be put to the test and ask for promisary donations from people who care.
JKB
Fine boats as no doubt they are, in this climate of financial crisis the parliament should not underwrite any preservation/bring them home project. I suggest the idea be put to the test and ask for promisary donations from people who care.
JKB
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 5:01pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]JKBrigance[/bold] wrote:
Fine boats as no doubt they are, in this climate of financial crisis the parliament should not underwrite any preservation/bring them home project. I suggest the idea be put to the test and ask for promisary donations from people who care. JKB[/quote] As I suggested earlier, the local ar central governmant (or both) could finance this as a working project, and ensure that a clause is inserted whereby the investors (Joe Public, through taxes) get a share of any profits.
JKBrigance wrote:
Fine boats as no doubt they are, in this climate of financial crisis the parliament should not underwrite any preservation/bring them home project. I suggest the idea be put to the test and ask for promisary donations from people who care. JKB
As I suggested earlier, the local ar central governmant (or both) could finance this as a working project, and ensure that a clause is inserted whereby the investors (Joe Public, through taxes) get a share of any profits.
Posted by: Brad on 5:08pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote]a share of any profits[/quote] Not much chance of those! Few attractions of this nature are profitable - some in London might be exceptions but this ain't London...
a share of any profits
Not much chance of those! Few attractions of this nature are profitable - some in London might be exceptions but this ain't London...
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 5:10pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Sounds like a typical money-wasting idea from GCC.
Sounds like a typical money-wasting idea from GCC.
Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 5:13pm Tue 28 Oct 08
What are we talking about, save The Falls of Clyde, Have a look at the Carrick, enough said
What are we talking about, save The Falls of Clyde, Have a look at the Carrick, enough said
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 7:03pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Clyde history or a foreign painting? Give us back our ships!
Clyde history or a foreign painting? Give us back our ships!
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 7:39pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bill Emerson[/bold] wrote: Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks. [/quote] Bill: Hamburg's got the notorious Reeperbahn, whereas Glasgow's got West Campbell Street... No competition, is it??[/quote] Glasgow's got Glasgow!
steven976 wrote:
Bill Emerson wrote: Ive been pleased by the way Glasgow has at last began to look ay ways of allowing its citizens to enjoy the splendour of the Clyde and celebrate both the people and the place. The Glenlee, Waverly trips, the River Festival and the promised maritine museum are great for the area. However much more could be done to ensure the Clydeside is an attraction for people evry weekend. Look at Hamburg for inspiration. If anything can be done to return both these vessels then it should be done. Give the river back to the people, all the people and not just those who can afford the view from their overpriced flats and office blocks.
Bill: Hamburg's got the notorious Reeperbahn, whereas Glasgow's got West Campbell Street... No competition, is it??
Glasgow's got Glasgow!
Posted by: Burnham73, Scotstoun on 8:11pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Ehhh,
Clydebuilt?
Naw naw. Leven built.
Carrick? Built on the River Wear I believe.
Glenlee, built in Port Glasgow.
Only ships that were built in Glasgow should be looked at. It is insulting to talk of bringing back a ship or boat that has no connection to the city. In the meantime we in Glasgow should hang our heads in shame at the state of Govan dry docks.
In the meantime check out upperclydeshipping.c
om
Regards,
Me.
Glenlee, Built in Port Glasgow.
Ehhh,
Clydebuilt?
Naw naw. Leven built.
Carrick? Built on the River Wear I believe.
Glenlee, built in Port Glasgow.
Only ships that were built in Glasgow should be looked at. It is insulting to talk of bringing back a ship or boat that has no connection to the city. In the meantime we in Glasgow should hang our heads in shame at the state of Govan dry docks.
In the meantime check out upperclydeshipping.c
om
Regards,
Me.
Glenlee, Built in Port Glasgow.
Posted by: Aneas Silvas, Roma on 10:59am Wed 29 Oct 08
It seems strange that there is no sentiment expressed for the loss of the Clyde shipyards that built those vessels. The demise of those yards and the shipbuilding skills were lost to "Red Clyde", demarcation and the escallating costs which priced shipbuilding in Scotland out of the global market. All of course due to the work of the Trade Unions and the policies of the Labour government. But listen to Gordon Brown and his catchphrase today; Jobs' Jobs, Jobs. It makes you wince, does it not? We surely do not wish to preserve icons of that catastrophic phase in British industry.
It seems strange that there is no sentiment expressed for the loss of the Clyde shipyards that built those vessels. The demise of those yards and the shipbuilding skills were lost to "Red Clyde", demarcation and the escallating costs which priced shipbuilding in Scotland out of the global market. All of course due to the work of the Trade Unions and the policies of the Labour government. But listen to Gordon Brown and his catchphrase today; Jobs' Jobs, Jobs. It makes you wince, does it not? We surely do not wish to preserve icons of that catastrophic phase in British industry.
Posted by: WillynWV, Moundsville WV USA on 3:44pm Wed 29 Oct 08
I just wanted to say that of the two ships the Falls of Clyde is the one that needs the attention for restoration and preservation. The Delta Queen will more than likely get turned into a hotel, restaurant,theater, etc. Like its sister ship the Delta King. The Delta king has operated successfully in that capacity for several decades now in California. The Delta Queen is sure to find its self a home along the Mississippi or Ohio Rivers in the same roll.
I just wanted to say that of the two ships the Falls of Clyde is the one that needs the attention for restoration and preservation. The Delta Queen will more than likely get turned into a hotel, restaurant,theater, etc. Like its sister ship the Delta King. The Delta king has operated successfully in that capacity for several decades now in California. The Delta Queen is sure to find its self a home along the Mississippi or Ohio Rivers in the same roll.
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