Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:04am Tue 28 Oct 08
"We have for many years been urging the council to talk to us so that we can jointly make the place a more attractive area, however our requests have been ignored.
"Instead, they have mounted a smear campaign against the traders, blaming us for crime and anti social behaviour which is clearly nothing to do with the people that work in Shipbank Lane.
[italic]"Closing Paddy's has become a vendetta by some Labour councillors for their own personal and political gain".[/italic]
Spot On - Social Cleansing at its very best!
[bold]Stick it into them Patsy![/bold]
"We have for many years been urging the council to talk to us so that we can jointly make the place a more attractive area, however our requests have been ignored.
"Instead, they have mounted a smear campaign against the traders, blaming us for crime and anti social behaviour which is clearly nothing to do with the people that work in Shipbank Lane.
"Closing Paddy's has become a vendetta by some Labour councillors for their own personal and political gain".
Spot On - Social Cleansing at its very best!
Stick it into them Patsy! Posted by: SKYE, GLASGOW on 11:20am Tue 28 Oct 08
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE!
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:29am Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SKYE[/bold] wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE![/quote] Woof!!
Somebody appears to be very angry.
Perhaps a Labour Councillor???
Still, nice to know the victims (the traders) have the courage to have stand up for their rights and their livlihood and are perfectly within their rights to say so instead of being bullied by a fascist ruling Labour group who have no interest in the people of Glasgow they are duly elected to serve.
SKYE wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE!
Woof!!
Somebody appears to be very angry.
Perhaps a Labour Councillor???
Still, nice to know the victims (the traders) have the courage to have stand up for their rights and their livlihood and are perfectly within their rights to say so instead of being bullied by a fascist ruling Labour group who have no interest in the people of Glasgow they are duly elected to serve.
Posted by: Darren Wood, Glasgow on 11:30am Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SKYE[/bold] wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE![/quote] Hi Councillor Matheson. How you doing?
SKYE wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE!
Hi Councillor Matheson. How you doing?
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 11:33am Tue 28 Oct 08
Ever wondered where some of the stuff collected by mickey mouse "charities" end up??
£30 gets you 1,000 leaflets, but you need to supply your own black bags!!!!!!
Stuff from council rubbish sites also finds its way there.
You didn`t REALLY think that the stallholders bought their goods legitimately did you?????
All that having been said, sadly in the 21st Century, Paddys DOES still have a useful role!!
Add in the financial meltdown that we seem to be entering, and Paddys will have a whole new clientele requiring their services.
When I first started buying and selling as an occupation, I was at Paddys Mon-Friday buying to re-sell elsewhere.
I have "progressed" (NOT what the other half calls it) to auctions and a LEGITIMATE deal with a REAL charity (with checkable reciepts included) for a certain section of their donations which most people would ignore.
I`ll never be rich, but I can support my family, and I can sleep at night.
Those at Paddy`s are MOSTLY legitimate traders (although thats probably a borderline description), and it is to our eternal shame that it IS still needed, as are boot sales and charity shops.
Ever wondered where some of the stuff collected by mickey mouse "charities" end up??
£30 gets you 1,000 leaflets, but you need to supply your own black bags!!!!!!
Stuff from council rubbish sites also finds its way there.
You didn`t REALLY think that the stallholders bought their goods legitimately did you?????
All that having been said, sadly in the 21st Century, Paddys DOES still have a useful role!!
Add in the financial meltdown that we seem to be entering, and Paddys will have a whole new clientele requiring their services.
When I first started buying and selling as an occupation, I was at Paddys Mon-Friday buying to re-sell elsewhere.
I have "progressed" (NOT what the other half calls it) to auctions and a LEGITIMATE deal with a REAL charity (with checkable reciepts included) for a certain section of their donations which most people would ignore.
I`ll never be rich, but I can support my family, and I can sleep at night.
Those at Paddy`s are MOSTLY legitimate traders (although thats probably a borderline description), and it is to our eternal shame that it IS still needed, as are boot sales and charity shops.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:35am Tue 28 Oct 08
The government create the marketplace for a lucrative drugs empire to flourish and then the innocent law-abiding public have to suffer for their incompetencies.
Scandalous!
The government create the marketplace for a lucrative drugs empire to flourish and then the innocent law-abiding public have to suffer for their incompetencies.
Scandalous!
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 12:27pm Tue 28 Oct 08
GCC should have a look around Glasgow and then get a dictionary and look up the word "PRIORITY"
GCC should have a look around Glasgow and then get a dictionary and look up the word "PRIORITY"
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 12:43pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]SKYE[/bold] wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE![/quote] Is it beyond the intelligence of our 'cooncillors' to find a middle road? Why can't they clean the place up and police it properly? That would leave traders in work and retain a bit of Glasgow's history. Once it's gone it's gone. -We dont need to import 'arts and crafts'from god knows where!
SKYE wrote:
SHUTTING THIS "EYESORE" AND "DICKENSIAN SEWER OF PERPETUAL CRIME IS LONG OVERDUE!
Is it beyond the intelligence of our 'cooncillors' to find a middle road? Why can't they clean the place up and police it properly? That would leave traders in work and retain a bit of Glasgow's history. Once it's gone it's gone. -We dont need to import 'arts and crafts'from god knows where!
Posted by: Ianmac, Glasgow on 12:49pm Tue 28 Oct 08
GCC are a disgrace - they never listen to Joe Public but bulldoze their way through to meet their own private agenda. It is all about money and not history. people will lose jobs - is that what GCC want? Isuspect yes as long as they get an extra penny into their coffers!
GCC are a disgrace - they never listen to Joe Public but bulldoze their way through to meet their own private agenda. It is all about money and not history. people will lose jobs - is that what GCC want? Isuspect yes as long as they get an extra penny into their coffers!
Posted by: phil, Glasgow on 12:54pm Tue 28 Oct 08
If they close Paddy's and open some kind of 'Bohemian Market' for poncy arts and crafts folk, I bet there'll be wads of cash involved for the Council. There's always a motive to line the pockets of GCC.
No matter what they replace Paddy's with, the people who currently work there will probably make life difficult for the new residents (fully legally, of course)
If they close Paddy's and open some kind of 'Bohemian Market' for poncy arts and crafts folk, I bet there'll be wads of cash involved for the Council. There's always a motive to line the pockets of GCC.
No matter what they replace Paddy's with, the people who currently work there will probably make life difficult for the new residents (fully legally, of course)
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 1:34pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Ianmac[/bold] wrote:
GCC are a disgrace - they never listen to Joe Public but bulldoze their way through to meet their own private agenda. It is all about money and not history. people will lose jobs - is that what GCC want? Isuspect yes as long as they get an extra penny into their coffers![/quote] How stupid are you, and Phil, and the bloody rest of the naesayers.
Whose money do you think GCC's money is, ours, it's public money, if they are making savings or coining it in it's for our benefit, to be spent on other services. I don't agree with everything they do spend my/our money on but I never will coz they can't please all the people all of the time.
That said, a middle ground for Paddy's would suit me, or would have done until the foolish post from Phil who said:
"No matter what they replace Paddy's with, the people who currently work there will probably make life difficult for the new residents (fully legally, of course)"
Now, with this daft attitude being displayed, I want it shut completely. Establishments like this keep people poor. You'll crying out for the poor houses to be re-opened next as that's part of our history, or the model lodging houses.
I'm no politician. I'm a member of the Glasgow public, and I think it's a dump.
Ianmac wrote:
GCC are a disgrace - they never listen to Joe Public but bulldoze their way through to meet their own private agenda. It is all about money and not history. people will lose jobs - is that what GCC want? Isuspect yes as long as they get an extra penny into their coffers!
How stupid are you, and Phil, and the bloody rest of the naesayers.
Whose money do you think GCC's money is, ours, it's public money, if they are making savings or coining it in it's for our benefit, to be spent on other services. I don't agree with everything they do spend my/our money on but I never will coz they can't please all the people all of the time.
That said, a middle ground for Paddy's would suit me, or would have done until the foolish post from Phil who said:
"No matter what they replace Paddy's with, the people who currently work there will probably make life difficult for the new residents (fully legally, of course)"
Now, with this daft attitude being displayed, I want it shut completely. Establishments like this keep people poor. You'll crying out for the poor houses to be re-opened next as that's part of our history, or the model lodging houses.
I'm no politician. I'm a member of the Glasgow public, and I think it's a dump.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:34pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Who remembers an episode of Rab C. Nesbitt, entitled "RATS"? Wee Clatty McCutcheon sold his shop to an arts & crafts outfit.. Quite funny, it was!.. And now we see similarities with what's happening to Paddy's!.. Not so funny now though! Arts and crafts is just a posh way of describing tat, made by ponces, for ponces!! Next, they'll be bringing back fundue sets from the early 70's!
Who remembers an episode of Rab C. Nesbitt, entitled "RATS"? Wee Clatty McCutcheon sold his shop to an arts & crafts outfit.. Quite funny, it was!.. And now we see similarities with what's happening to Paddy's!.. Not so funny now though! Arts and crafts is just a posh way of describing tat, made by ponces, for ponces!! Next, they'll be bringing back fundue sets from the early 70's!
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 2:01pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Reading some posts on here, it seems that the Group who runs the city (funny that its been Labour for so long) when they set out to neglect an area and turn it into trash, the posters on here seem to believe its the fault of the people.
With that in mind, I eagerly await the next place they deliberately neglect and the same thing will kick off again.
Social Cleansing to destroy the city and replace it with a foreign identity.
This comment from above
[italic]Now, with this daft attitude being displayed, I want it shut completely. Establishments like this keep people poor. You'll crying out for the poor houses to be re-opened next as that's part of our history, or the model lodging houses.[/italic]
That is ridiculous, if anybody wanted poor houses to remain open, they would have to get their head checked out, of course with the imminent removal of Paddy's it seems there is a heavy offensive against the not so well off, even though over the years the council could have done more to maintain the place.
History is what attracts tourists. I certainly wouldn't go to another country just for shopping which seem s that this is all Glasgow has to offer.
Ha ha - The cathedral and The Provands Lordship
Yip, amazing history we have here in Glasgow
Oh, Tolbooth and the Provands Lordship were standing in the way of traffic in the 60's and were threatened with demolition as they were standing in the way of the Ring Road project.
People power saved them.
Surely that can also apply to Paddy's, like those who wish to see the removal of Govanhill - if things were done to maintain places and communities, they wouldn't have ended up in the state they are in at present.
Deliberate neglect!
Reading some posts on here, it seems that the Group who runs the city (funny that its been Labour for so long) when they set out to neglect an area and turn it into trash, the posters on here seem to believe its the fault of the people.
With that in mind, I eagerly await the next place they deliberately neglect and the same thing will kick off again.
Social Cleansing to destroy the city and replace it with a foreign identity.
This comment from above
Now, with this daft attitude being displayed, I want it shut completely. Establishments like this keep people poor. You'll crying out for the poor houses to be re-opened next as that's part of our history, or the model lodging houses.
That is ridiculous, if anybody wanted poor houses to remain open, they would have to get their head checked out, of course with the imminent removal of Paddy's it seems there is a heavy offensive against the not so well off, even though over the years the council could have done more to maintain the place.
History is what attracts tourists. I certainly wouldn't go to another country just for shopping which seem s that this is all Glasgow has to offer.
Ha ha - The cathedral and The Provands Lordship
Yip, amazing history we have here in Glasgow
Oh, Tolbooth and the Provands Lordship were standing in the way of traffic in the 60's and were threatened with demolition as they were standing in the way of the Ring Road project.
People power saved them.
Surely that can also apply to Paddy's, like those who wish to see the removal of Govanhill - if things were done to maintain places and communities, they wouldn't have ended up in the state they are in at present.
Deliberate neglect!
Posted by: SKYE, GLASGOW on 2:16pm Tue 28 Oct 08
NO!NOT A COUNCILLOR BUT A COUNCIL TAX-PAYER.NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION".
I will have my "three-happeny"worth
!
As was quoted the "charity -leafletted ,black bin bags",of kit end up here.The stolen "FLOWERS"from the Parks end up here.The "crappy fake"kit and proceeds from the "shoppers"end up here.THE OLNY THING THAT IS FREE IS THE FLEAS!
NO!NOT A COUNCILLOR BUT A COUNCIL TAX-PAYER.NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION".
I will have my "three-happeny"worth
!
As was quoted the "charity -leafletted ,black bin bags",of kit end up here.The stolen "FLOWERS"from the Parks end up here.The "crappy fake"kit and proceeds from the "shoppers"end up here.THE OLNY THING THAT IS FREE IS THE FLEAS!
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 2:38pm Tue 28 Oct 08
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump.
And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success.
No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump.
And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success.
No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 2:38pm Tue 28 Oct 08
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump.
And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success.
No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump.
And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success.
No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.
Posted by: sb1987, Glasgow on 2:39pm Tue 28 Oct 08
People's Power will save Paddy's Market if this closes down then Labour Will be the most hated party in Glasgow and at the next council election's Labour will be defeated by the S.N.P we will fight all the way.
People's Power will save Paddy's Market if this closes down then Labour Will be the most hated party in Glasgow and at the next council election's Labour will be defeated by the S.N.P we will fight all the way.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 2:47pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote:
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump. And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success. No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.[/quote] Put gas central heating in and it will blow it up,know what i mean high flats and that,humble pie
The Wise One wrote:
I don't know why people are sentimental about this place. It is a dump. And bringing arty farty shops in to replace the current stalls will do nothing to improve it. The whole area, from Glasgow Cross down to the Clydeside, went through a total refurbishment and today, you wouldn't think they had spent a penny on it. They tried to bring in new arts and crafts shops into the old fishmarket and that bombed. Why do they thnk this will be a success. No one will shop there because of the 'clientele' who wander the area, refugees from the various hostels who loiter and shout abuse at anyone who happens to be passing by.
Put gas central heating in and it will blow it up,know what i mean high flats and that,humble pie
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 3:14pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]sb1987[/bold] wrote:
People's Power will save Paddy's Market if this closes down then Labour Will be the most hated party in Glasgow and at the next council election's Labour will be defeated by the S.N.P we will fight all the way.[/quote] With all thse new identities for places and the removal of certain parts of the city, I am surprised the Labour group haven't re-named Glasgow as that name may have been seen an attachment to crime and anti-social activity. poor health and a poor local economy.
Maybe that's still to come, unless people stop getting down on their knees and believing that Purcell and Mathieson are the gods!
sb1987 wrote:
People's Power will save Paddy's Market if this closes down then Labour Will be the most hated party in Glasgow and at the next council election's Labour will be defeated by the S.N.P we will fight all the way.
With all thse new identities for places and the removal of certain parts of the city, I am surprised the Labour group haven't re-named Glasgow as that name may have been seen an attachment to crime and anti-social activity. poor health and a poor local economy.
Maybe that's still to come, unless people stop getting down on their knees and believing that Purcell and Mathieson are the gods!
Posted by: Ronnie Cee, Glasgow on 3:15pm Tue 28 Oct 08
This city has lost over thirty thousand jobs since the war in Steelworks, Shipbuilding, Mining, etc, etc, with only the Service Industry (pubs, hotels, shops etc,) providing new jobs. Almost half a million of Glasgow's citizens have fled to pastures new, mainly England or abroad.
So, instead of searching for new avenues to promote employment, our City Fathers (who should hang their heads in shame) find the courage within themselves to close Paddy's Market. What the hell has that wee market got to do with the demise of our City?
Along Partick and in the lanes off Byres Road you will find plenty of outlets who sell inferior and second-hand goods, many more outlets than Paddys. Why is nothing being done to close them?
Our councillors forgot how to forward plan to replace the dying industries with newer ones.In their failure they transported Glaswegians in their tens of thousands to high rise concrete chicken coops in places like Easterhouse and Drumchapel. Yes, those (so-called)City Fathers who now want to take away the last wee flea market in the City and take away the employment of its stallholders.
Shame on you and shame on you again for your lack of foresight. Every major city on this planet sustains such markets, yes you'll even find them in the USA, Germany and France, our richest nations.
Do something worthwhile for a change. Why not increase the parking charges around our hospitals again, that shouldn't tax your brains too much?
This city has lost over thirty thousand jobs since the war in Steelworks, Shipbuilding, Mining, etc, etc, with only the Service Industry (pubs, hotels, shops etc,) providing new jobs. Almost half a million of Glasgow's citizens have fled to pastures new, mainly England or abroad.
So, instead of searching for new avenues to promote employment, our City Fathers (who should hang their heads in shame) find the courage within themselves to close Paddy's Market. What the hell has that wee market got to do with the demise of our City?
Along Partick and in the lanes off Byres Road you will find plenty of outlets who sell inferior and second-hand goods, many more outlets than Paddys. Why is nothing being done to close them?
Our councillors forgot how to forward plan to replace the dying industries with newer ones.In their failure they transported Glaswegians in their tens of thousands to high rise concrete chicken coops in places like Easterhouse and Drumchapel. Yes, those (so-called)City Fathers who now want to take away the last wee flea market in the City and take away the employment of its stallholders.
Shame on you and shame on you again for your lack of foresight. Every major city on this planet sustains such markets, yes you'll even find them in the USA, Germany and France, our richest nations.
Do something worthwhile for a change. Why not increase the parking charges around our hospitals again, that shouldn't tax your brains too much?
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 3:18pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Some amount of phish being spouted here...
The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader.
As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area.
I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.
Some amount of phish being spouted here...
The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader.
As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area.
I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.
Posted by: beehenk, glasgow on 3:28pm Tue 28 Oct 08
bomb the place!
gooooooooooooooooooo
ood bye tinkers!
bomb the place!
gooooooooooooooooooo
ood bye tinkers!
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 3:57pm Tue 28 Oct 08
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".
Well, if they are intent of shutting Paddy's Market, can they do the same with the Blochairn Market too. If anything, it's a worse hotbed of vice, drugs and stolen property.
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".
Well, if they are intent of shutting Paddy's Market, can they do the same with the Blochairn Market too. If anything, it's a worse hotbed of vice, drugs and stolen property.
Posted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 4:52pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote]See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".[/quote]
As I said I'm a GHA tenant and I would rather have the private rented apartments, and the art galleries, and the theatres, and the nice bars sitting cheek by jowl with me and the trad bars in the Saltmarket than have a market that is keeping the area down.
Improvements to the area will help all of us.
Why don't ye take Paddy's and put it in yer ain street if yer such a fan.
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".
As I said I'm a GHA tenant and I would rather have the private rented apartments, and the art galleries, and the theatres, and the nice bars sitting cheek by jowl with me and the trad bars in the Saltmarket than have a market that is keeping the area down.
Improvements to the area will help all of us.
Why don't ye take Paddy's and put it in yer ain street if yer such a fan.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 5:04pm Tue 28 Oct 08
The pickpockets will be thinking Christmas has come early.
The pickpockets will be thinking Christmas has come early.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:05pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote:
[quote]See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".[/quote] As I said I'm a GHA tenant and I would rather have the private rented apartments, and the art galleries, and the theatres, and the nice bars sitting cheek by jowl with me and the trad bars in the Saltmarket than have a market that is keeping the area down. Improvements to the area will help all of us. Why don't ye take Paddy's and put it in yer ain street if yer such a fan. [/quote] Roy while I take your comment above and respect it, putting me in the same category as the bloke you slagged off may have been seen as a hot poker in my direction.
What I must add is that its not the fault of the market and its traders, the place has been well neglected.
This stuff has been going on for years, move the poor to another spot, no investment, run the place down, give it a good slagging and wipe the place as what has happened across Glasgow for many decades.
I'm not so sure what you envisage will actually happen, but now that Paddy's is to close for good - all I can say is that the games will now begin - I can't see people letting this rest - it will be seen as another act of Social cleansing in this city which is already fragmented with nearly half the place looking like a pure shoitehole. Something Hollywood would use to film science fiction films with zombies and the like, even though we have it for real.
Roy Batty wrote:
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables".
As I said I'm a GHA tenant and I would rather have the private rented apartments, and the art galleries, and the theatres, and the nice bars sitting cheek by jowl with me and the trad bars in the Saltmarket than have a market that is keeping the area down. Improvements to the area will help all of us. Why don't ye take Paddy's and put it in yer ain street if yer such a fan.
Roy while I take your comment above and respect it, putting me in the same category as the bloke you slagged off may have been seen as a hot poker in my direction.
What I must add is that its not the fault of the market and its traders, the place has been well neglected.
This stuff has been going on for years, move the poor to another spot, no investment, run the place down, give it a good slagging and wipe the place as what has happened across Glasgow for many decades.
I'm not so sure what you envisage will actually happen, but now that Paddy's is to close for good - all I can say is that the games will now begin - I can't see people letting this rest - it will be seen as another act of Social cleansing in this city which is already fragmented with nearly half the place looking like a pure shoitehole. Something Hollywood would use to film science fiction films with zombies and the like, even though we have it for real.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 5:08pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Paddy`s Market is a dump run by by low-life abusers of alcohol and drugs.Stolen goods invariably end up there.Close this midden down and give the sewer rats a better life.
Paddy`s Market is a dump run by by low-life abusers of alcohol and drugs.Stolen goods invariably end up there.Close this midden down and give the sewer rats a better life.
Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 5:08pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Hope this is the last we will hear of this pigsty, sorry a pigsty is a clean place compared to this carbunkle in the center of our dear green place.
Hope this is the last we will hear of this pigsty, sorry a pigsty is a clean place compared to this carbunkle in the center of our dear green place.
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 5:16pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote:
Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.[/quote] Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.
Roy Batty wrote:
Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.
Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 5:19pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote: Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.[/quote] Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.[/quote] What about the thousands of jobs created in the new financial district?
jrb wrote:
Roy Batty wrote: Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.
Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.
What about the thousands of jobs created in the new financial district?
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 5:35pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Helmut de Smegma[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote: Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.[/quote] Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.[/quote] What about the thousands of jobs created in the new financial district?[/quote] What about them!and how many of those jobs will go shortly answer? thousands..Why are people still living below the poverty line?how come our pensioners are amongst the poorest in europe ?why are we the worlds worst when it comes to health,crime, addiction,teenage pregnancies,murder,n
ot forgetting some of the highest unemployment rates for a so called "vibrant" city,Answer..DECADE AFTER DECADE OF LABOUR MISERY!
Helmut de Smegma wrote:
jrb wrote: Roy Batty wrote: Some amount of phish being spouted here... The Missing City, I agree with some of what you said. History is important but not at the cost of keeping the status quo at Paddys. It truly is an eyesore and I work and live in the locality so I know it. I'm also a local GHA tenant so not speaking from an ivory tower, merely pointing out the reality. When you are poor, the last thing you want to see on your doorstep is a dump like this. None of the proposals for change seem to be suggesting that all of the former traders should move out permanently. If I was a trader I would be ensuring that my pitch was secure and would be speaking to GCC to assure them of my legitimacy as a trader. As for the diddy who suggested that this will be the issue responsible for the fall of the Labour council...give me a break. If Labour have been in for long its because they've been voted in, and voters will not be leaving them in their droves because Labour is trying to improve the area. I despair that the voters were persuaded by eejits like you during the Scottish elections. Hopefully they will wisen up in time for the next round.
Irrespective of what happens to paddy's market this deplorable labour government will hopefully face a total wipe-out ,it's nothing less than they deserve.Sixty years of a labour-controlled city and nothing to show for it. go on tell me what labour have achieved in all that time? yeah thats got you!!.
What about the thousands of jobs created in the new financial district?
What about them!and how many of those jobs will go shortly answer? thousands..Why are people still living below the poverty line?how come our pensioners are amongst the poorest in europe ?why are we the worlds worst when it comes to health,crime, addiction,teenage pregnancies,murder,n
ot forgetting some of the highest unemployment rates for a so called "vibrant" city,Answer..DECADE AFTER DECADE OF LABOUR MISERY!
Posted by: The Watcher, Butt n Ben on 7:03pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Perhaps those who shout loudest are perhaps those closest to the Labour group in Glasgow City Council. It is alarming how the council has sought to smear the resistance to the closure of Paddy's Market. Anything which is over a hundred years old has survived much history for a reason. It is needed, perhaps more so if the next great recession claims a few of those yuppies hibernating nearby.
If I were a council tax payer in Glasgow I would be very concerned at the money spent to get the lease for no other apparent reason than to spite the current traders without any real plan or certified costs to the public purse for the future. Indeed, Paddy's was used for the justification for spending some £300,000 on CCTV (not yet installed) in the area.
Paddy's has been a victim of location, blamed for crime which rarely has anything to do with the traders or public which uses it, in an area that the City fathers have an eye on to bring development for the commonwealth games. They will have to tackle the principal problem which is the hostel next door to the lane. Expect a deal to be done that has little to do with the welfare or rehabilitation of the homeless in the near future.
It is fair to say that those who moved to the area have little in common with those who go to the market, but it doesn't make their opinion any more valid than those who are rightly questioning the decision. After all the area to the east of Saltmarket is pretty run down and I don't see any money being spent to tackle that inequality, so we have yuppies cheek by jowl with junkies and poverty which is precisely the "kind of people" that they were trying to escape from.
Perhaps those who shout loudest are perhaps those closest to the Labour group in Glasgow City Council. It is alarming how the council has sought to smear the resistance to the closure of Paddy's Market. Anything which is over a hundred years old has survived much history for a reason. It is needed, perhaps more so if the next great recession claims a few of those yuppies hibernating nearby.
If I were a council tax payer in Glasgow I would be very concerned at the money spent to get the lease for no other apparent reason than to spite the current traders without any real plan or certified costs to the public purse for the future. Indeed, Paddy's was used for the justification for spending some £300,000 on CCTV (not yet installed) in the area.
Paddy's has been a victim of location, blamed for crime which rarely has anything to do with the traders or public which uses it, in an area that the City fathers have an eye on to bring development for the commonwealth games. They will have to tackle the principal problem which is the hostel next door to the lane. Expect a deal to be done that has little to do with the welfare or rehabilitation of the homeless in the near future.
It is fair to say that those who moved to the area have little in common with those who go to the market, but it doesn't make their opinion any more valid than those who are rightly questioning the decision. After all the area to the east of Saltmarket is pretty run down and I don't see any money being spent to tackle that inequality, so we have yuppies cheek by jowl with junkies and poverty which is precisely the "kind of people" that they were trying to escape from.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 7:21pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Fair comment that many of Paddy's issues arise from the hostel on Clyde Street, you only have to pass on foot to see the issues for much of that market place are from the hostels guests.
Fair comment that many of Paddy's issues arise from the hostel on Clyde Street, you only have to pass on foot to see the issues for much of that market place are from the hostels guests.
Posted by: Akasha, Glasgow on 8:53pm Tue 28 Oct 08
11 to 5 was the vote in favour of closing the eyesore. I for one am glad it will be going. The area is in dire need of a deep clean and a spruce up
11 to 5 was the vote in favour of closing the eyesore. I for one am glad it will be going. The area is in dire need of a deep clean and a spruce up
Posted by: jrb, glasgow on 9:00pm Tue 28 Oct 08
At least the E.T. recognise that DEEB 'S offensive post was deemed unacceptable to many online readers and has been withdrawn.
At least the E.T. recognise that DEEB 'S offensive post was deemed unacceptable to many online readers and has been withdrawn.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 10:06pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]jrb[/bold] wrote:
At least the E.T. recognise that DEEB 'S offensive post was deemed unacceptable to many online readers and has been withdrawn.[/quote] Don't agree with that. It shows the the world the real Glasgow and West Central Scotland.There's no point in sticking our heads in the sand. At least the tourists can go home. Scotland is the best country in the world despite these people.
jrb wrote:
At least the E.T. recognise that DEEB 'S offensive post was deemed unacceptable to many online readers and has been withdrawn.
Don't agree with that. It shows the the world the real Glasgow and West Central Scotland.There's no point in sticking our heads in the sand. At least the tourists can go home. Scotland is the best country in the world despite these people.
Posted by: Tony, Glasgow on 10:07pm Tue 28 Oct 08
Just as Gordon Brown feels free and easy to use other people's money to buy himself votes and to gloss up his image both here and abroad with no thought for the consequence of the debt that he is committing the UK to and its concomitant risk, so do the the Glasgow Labour Group have the same attitude. With no accountability until election day, I think this lot are sticking two fingers up to the people of Glasgow. There is obviously a hidden agenda, a story that's not being told with Paddy's Market and Hope House and I'm sure that's another story that will develop in the future. Tell me how, in this economic climate, that Glasgow City Council think this is a good deal? And don't quote that contemptuous numptie Matheson who fancies himself as a latter-day Mandelson by saying there will be a saving in policing costs because the criminals will still be in the city. If the the SNP group and Bailie Baker from the Greens saw reason to question this decision, that in itself, is very telling. Labour bully boys are in a huff because they were reported to the Standards Commission. And for good reason too.
Just as Gordon Brown feels free and easy to use other people's money to buy himself votes and to gloss up his image both here and abroad with no thought for the consequence of the debt that he is committing the UK to and its concomitant risk, so do the the Glasgow Labour Group have the same attitude. With no accountability until election day, I think this lot are sticking two fingers up to the people of Glasgow. There is obviously a hidden agenda, a story that's not being told with Paddy's Market and Hope House and I'm sure that's another story that will develop in the future. Tell me how, in this economic climate, that Glasgow City Council think this is a good deal? And don't quote that contemptuous numptie Matheson who fancies himself as a latter-day Mandelson by saying there will be a saving in policing costs because the criminals will still be in the city. If the the SNP group and Bailie Baker from the Greens saw reason to question this decision, that in itself, is very telling. Labour bully boys are in a huff because they were reported to the Standards Commission. And for good reason too.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 11:18pm Tue 28 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Stewie Griffin[/bold] wrote:
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables". Well, if they are intent of shutting Paddy's Market, can they do the same with the Blochairn Market too. If anything, it's a worse hotbed of vice, drugs and stolen property.[/quote] I would love to know just how often you and some of the other posters on here attend either of these markets?
As a regular at Blochairn, I will say that there PROBABLY ARE some "stolen goods" on certain stalls.
However, heres an example. I once had most of my stuff checked by the police AT the market. One item, a lawnmower, turned up as "stolen" on their laptop. Strange thing was, I bought it FROM the Police, via their lost and found auction!!!!!!!!!!!
And I had the receipt to prove it.
What about the "cash and carry" recently who was selling fake soap powder? I don`t remember any outcry demanding that it be shut down, even though that was obviously fraud. I also don`t remember anyone being charged over it.
Where there are markets of any kind, there will obviously be those who`s only intent is to make a fast buck with dodgy or stolen items for sale.
Most "traders" at Blochairn (even the 2nd hand "specialists" like myself), can provide legitimate receipts for items thay are offerring for sale.
Where can you buy a halfway decent computer (Pentium 4 or equivelent), restored to factory settings, Microsoft legal for between £50 to £100 in working order? (NOT an advert by the way).
I have seen me spending an easy 60 hours a week testing and where required, repairing stock for a Sunday.
AND everything I, and other regulars sell, is exchangable if faulty. It might only be for a week on cheaper items, but MOST try to be honest with our customers.
Don`t tar everyone with the same brush just because one or two are out to con you.
Stewie Griffin wrote:
See those new flats at Glasgow Cross are getting harder to shift than a dose of the flu. So GGC is doing their private building pals a favour by shutting Paddy's and getting rid of so-called "undesirables". Well, if they are intent of shutting Paddy's Market, can they do the same with the Blochairn Market too. If anything, it's a worse hotbed of vice, drugs and stolen property.
I would love to know just how often you and some of the other posters on here attend either of these markets?
As a regular at Blochairn, I will say that there PROBABLY ARE some "stolen goods" on certain stalls.
However, heres an example. I once had most of my stuff checked by the police AT the market. One item, a lawnmower, turned up as "stolen" on their laptop. Strange thing was, I bought it FROM the Police, via their lost and found auction!!!!!!!!!!!
And I had the receipt to prove it.
What about the "cash and carry" recently who was selling fake soap powder? I don`t remember any outcry demanding that it be shut down, even though that was obviously fraud. I also don`t remember anyone being charged over it.
Where there are markets of any kind, there will obviously be those who`s only intent is to make a fast buck with dodgy or stolen items for sale.
Most "traders" at Blochairn (even the 2nd hand "specialists" like myself), can provide legitimate receipts for items thay are offerring for sale.
Where can you buy a halfway decent computer (Pentium 4 or equivelent), restored to factory settings, Microsoft legal for between £50 to £100 in working order? (NOT an advert by the way).
I have seen me spending an easy 60 hours a week testing and where required, repairing stock for a Sunday.
AND everything I, and other regulars sell, is exchangable if faulty. It might only be for a week on cheaper items, but MOST try to be honest with our customers.
Don`t tar everyone with the same brush just because one or two are out to con you.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 8:52am Wed 29 Oct 08
[quote]I have seen me spending an easy 60 hours a week testing and where required, repairing stock for a Sunday.[/quote]
You really need to get out more.
I have seen me spending an easy 60 hours a week testing and where required, repairing stock for a Sunday.
You really need to get out more.
Posted by: dragon, yahoo on 10:09am Wed 29 Oct 08
I want to know what you think about the us elections.
I want to know what you think about the us elections.
Posted by: Titus a duxas, Ft.McMurray on 1:56am Thu 30 Oct 08
who's that auld Trollop wae the queen Elizabeth the 1st hair doo? ah don't know about anyone else but Ah like ma Scottish politics wae a big dose of the Scottish Accent if ah've got to listen tae a Scottish politician ah don't want it to be one wae an English accent.or maybe ah'm missin' something.
who's that auld Trollop wae the queen Elizabeth the 1st hair doo? ah don't know about anyone else but Ah like ma Scottish politics wae a big dose of the Scottish Accent if ah've got to listen tae a Scottish politician ah don't want it to be one wae an English accent.or maybe ah'm missin' something.
Posted by: Titus a duxas, Ft.McMurray on 2:08am Thu 30 Oct 08
who's that auld Trollop wae the queen Elizabeth the 1st hair doo? ah don't know about anyone else but Ah like ma Scottish politics wae a big dose of the Scottish Accent if ah've got to listen tae a Scottish politician ah don't want it to be one wae an English accent.or maybe ah'm missin' something.
who's that auld Trollop wae the queen Elizabeth the 1st hair doo? ah don't know about anyone else but Ah like ma Scottish politics wae a big dose of the Scottish Accent if ah've got to listen tae a Scottish politician ah don't want it to be one wae an English accent.or maybe ah'm missin' something.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 4:14am Thu 30 Oct 08
the old paddys market has been an institution of glasgow for god knows how long, but seeing as the 'games' will be held in glasgow, the council has in its infinite wisdom SNIGGER) would rather do away with the second hand 'flea market'appearance that 'paddys' generate.... as if most tourists do not know about these venues even in london, petticoat lane,most villages in england have the equivalent all over their countryside, places like this sell fruits,vegetables. even meat from refrigerated trucks as well as clothes and shoes, pots and dishes....it gets people out on saturdays and sundays and does not cost an arm and a leg..... you cannot hide the poorer meeting places,learn to live with it, sad to say there is a need for places like this.
the old paddys market has been an institution of glasgow for god knows how long, but seeing as the 'games' will be held in glasgow, the council has in its infinite wisdom SNIGGER) would rather do away with the second hand 'flea market'appearance that 'paddys' generate.... as if most tourists do not know about these venues even in london, petticoat lane,most villages in england have the equivalent all over their countryside, places like this sell fruits,vegetables. even meat from refrigerated trucks as well as clothes and shoes, pots and dishes....it gets people out on saturdays and sundays and does not cost an arm and a leg..... you cannot hide the poorer meeting places,learn to live with it, sad to say there is a need for places like this.
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