Posted by: T.J.F., GLASGOW on 11:27am Thu 30 Oct 08
I bet the Glasgow Airport bosses are sorry they spent all that money on their new Security Terminal. British Airways close their crew centre at Glasgow and reduce flights from there, Icelandair cancel their Glasgow flights and now BMI sells out to German Lufthanza. The BMI staff at Glasgow will be next for the chop as Lufthanza only wanted the Heathrow airport slots that BMI had which were worth millions more than they paid for BMI. They will not be interested in saving their Scottish operations when there are more lucrative destinations they can now fly to from Heathrow. Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more.
I bet the Glasgow Airport bosses are sorry they spent all that money on their new Security Terminal. British Airways close their crew centre at Glasgow and reduce flights from there, Icelandair cancel their Glasgow flights and now BMI sells out to German Lufthanza. The BMI staff at Glasgow will be next for the chop as Lufthanza only wanted the Heathrow airport slots that BMI had which were worth millions more than they paid for BMI. They will not be interested in saving their Scottish operations when there are more lucrative destinations they can now fly to from Heathrow. Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:37pm Thu 30 Oct 08
Better lock up the miniatures of vodka.
Better lock up the miniatures of vodka.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 12:41pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]T.J.F.[/bold] wrote:
I bet the Glasgow Airport bosses are sorry they spent all that money on their new Security Terminal. British Airways close their crew centre at Glasgow and reduce flights from there, Icelandair cancel their Glasgow flights and now BMI sells out to German Lufthanza. The BMI staff at Glasgow will be next for the chop as Lufthanza only wanted the Heathrow airport slots that BMI had which were worth millions more than they paid for BMI. They will not be interested in saving their Scottish operations when there are more lucrative destinations they can now fly to from Heathrow. Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more. [/quote] At least try and spell Lufthansa correctly.
There`s nothing wrong with charter flights or budget airlines - they adequately serve a growing demand/market.
Glasgow will still have transatlantic flights to Newark and Philadelphia.
T.J.F. wrote:
I bet the Glasgow Airport bosses are sorry they spent all that money on their new Security Terminal. British Airways close their crew centre at Glasgow and reduce flights from there, Icelandair cancel their Glasgow flights and now BMI sells out to German Lufthanza. The BMI staff at Glasgow will be next for the chop as Lufthanza only wanted the Heathrow airport slots that BMI had which were worth millions more than they paid for BMI. They will not be interested in saving their Scottish operations when there are more lucrative destinations they can now fly to from Heathrow. Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more.
At least try and spell Lufthansa correctly.
There`s nothing wrong with charter flights or budget airlines - they adequately serve a growing demand/market.
Glasgow will still have transatlantic flights to Newark and Philadelphia.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 12:51pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote]Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more.[/quote] When was Glasgow anything other than a "holiday" airport? BMI only operate domestic services ex-GLA, so I can only foresee Lufty operating direct services to Germany (perhaps FRA, since Glasgow is becoming a financial services city, and Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany). As for Bejam Airlines - they are only "suspending" services to GLA in the current economic downturn. Since GLA is not stretched to capacity, there is no real danger of them losing their slots, unlike carriers operating out of LHR. As for BA themselves, I'd love to know where their Scottish staff are gonna live down here, since housing is expensive, private accomodation is substandard (though nothing like Govanhill), and with the influx of asylum-seekers and economic migrants, Hounslow Council will be hard-pushed to offer any of their housing stock for rent!
Glasgow will soon become a Package Holiday Airport only and nothing more.
When was Glasgow anything other than a "holiday" airport? BMI only operate domestic services ex-GLA, so I can only foresee Lufty operating direct services to Germany (perhaps FRA, since Glasgow is becoming a financial services city, and Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany). As for Bejam Airlines - they are only "suspending" services to GLA in the current economic downturn. Since GLA is not stretched to capacity, there is no real danger of them losing their slots, unlike carriers operating out of LHR. As for BA themselves, I'd love to know where their Scottish staff are gonna live down here, since housing is expensive, private accomodation is substandard (though nothing like Govanhill), and with the influx of asylum-seekers and economic migrants, Hounslow Council will be hard-pushed to offer any of their housing stock for rent!
Posted by: iscozzese, Glasgow on 12:58pm Thu 30 Oct 08
BA the World crap airline.
Stop flying with BA, you will gain better access to the rest of the world. With fewer frights from Scotland, there are fewer possibilities on "onward" connections at LHR and LGW. Therefore better use other airlines and avoid London completly. In any case everyone still gain few pound stirlings because elsewere airport taxes are cheaper than London's airports
BA the World crap airline.
Stop flying with BA, you will gain better access to the rest of the world. With fewer frights from Scotland, there are fewer possibilities on "onward" connections at LHR and LGW. Therefore better use other airlines and avoid London completly. In any case everyone still gain few pound stirlings because elsewere airport taxes are cheaper than London's airports
Posted by: N.S.00, Glasgow on 1:02pm Thu 30 Oct 08
I have previously had the misfortune to work for this company who treat their staff terribly. I feel really sorry for the staff they are under immense pressure and get very poor pay for a tough job! Seems like not much changes in the world of BA.
I have previously had the misfortune to work for this company who treat their staff terribly. I feel really sorry for the staff they are under immense pressure and get very poor pay for a tough job! Seems like not much changes in the world of BA.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 1:08pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]iscozzese[/bold] wrote:
BA the World crap airline. Stop flying with BA, you will gain better access to the rest of the world. With fewer frights from Scotland, there are fewer possibilities on "onward" connections at LHR and LGW. Therefore better use other airlines and avoid London completly. In any case everyone still gain few pound stirlings because elsewere airport taxes are cheaper than London's airports[/quote] And exactly how will we all gain better access to the rest of the world? If we flew to Amsterdam for example, chances are that we would be switching to another common-carrier, unless our final destination is within the KLM route network. Likewise, Paris, Likewise, Frankfurt... Ad infinitum. As much as we may detest BA, and their current practices, the truth is that if you want to visit other parts of the world from Scotland without having to switch to another carrier, BA is your no.1 choice. No.2 would be BMI. Reason being - both carriers code-share their routes!
iscozzese wrote:
BA the World crap airline. Stop flying with BA, you will gain better access to the rest of the world. With fewer frights from Scotland, there are fewer possibilities on "onward" connections at LHR and LGW. Therefore better use other airlines and avoid London completly. In any case everyone still gain few pound stirlings because elsewere airport taxes are cheaper than London's airports
And exactly how will we all gain better access to the rest of the world? If we flew to Amsterdam for example, chances are that we would be switching to another common-carrier, unless our final destination is within the KLM route network. Likewise, Paris, Likewise, Frankfurt... Ad infinitum. As much as we may detest BA, and their current practices, the truth is that if you want to visit other parts of the world from Scotland without having to switch to another carrier, BA is your no.1 choice. No.2 would be BMI. Reason being - both carriers code-share their routes!
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 1:30pm Thu 30 Oct 08
See these private sector workers, they're always moaning.
See these private sector workers, they're always moaning.
Posted by: willie mac, Arden on 1:33pm Thu 30 Oct 08
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had.
As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world.
Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow.
Time to give this let down airline a miss.
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had.
As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world.
Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow.
Time to give this let down airline a miss.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 2:29pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]willie mac[/bold] wrote:
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had. As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world. Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow. Time to give this let down airline a miss.[/quote] Agreed,but is it not time glasgow or paisley looked at the bigger picture
willie mac wrote:
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had. As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world. Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow. Time to give this let down airline a miss.
Agreed,but is it not time glasgow or paisley looked at the bigger picture
Posted by: Shawsy, Gatwick on 2:51pm Thu 30 Oct 08
Time to give BA a miss - even in England they are known as London Airways. A few years ago they closed their Glasgow engineering base, now crew base - what more proof to people need. Flybe and Easyjet have shown far more commitment to Scotland. I agree with an earlier comment - use Amsterdam - a great choice of flights to choose from - any corner of the world. Anything that avoids Heathhell has my vote. I live and work in the south-east - but next week I shall be connecting from Gatwick to Amsterdam to the Far East - simply to avoid Heathhell.
Time to give BA a miss - even in England they are known as London Airways. A few years ago they closed their Glasgow engineering base, now crew base - what more proof to people need. Flybe and Easyjet have shown far more commitment to Scotland. I agree with an earlier comment - use Amsterdam - a great choice of flights to choose from - any corner of the world. Anything that avoids Heathhell has my vote. I live and work in the south-east - but next week I shall be connecting from Gatwick to Amsterdam to the Far East - simply to avoid Heathhell.
Posted by: bubbles, Renfrew on 3:08pm Thu 30 Oct 08
Shawsy there is still an engineering base for BA at glasgow Airport. I do agree however that BA need to start looking at flying worldwide from other airports other than London as many folk do not want the hassle of a change over at London.
Shawsy there is still an engineering base for BA at glasgow Airport. I do agree however that BA need to start looking at flying worldwide from other airports other than London as many folk do not want the hassle of a change over at London.
Posted by: secondcity, Glasgow on 3:24pm Thu 30 Oct 08
I know it's a difficult time for the staff concerned, but they should focus on finding employment elsewhere as even if BA do "reconsider their plans" for now there's no guarantee they won't turn round and swing the axe at a later date.
At the risk of overusing the "London Airways" tag, that's exactly what they've become. Any observers who think this is just Scottish parochialism should note that cities like Belfast, Manchester, Newcastle, Birmingham, Bristol and Southampton have all been treated abominably by the so-called national airline too.
I saw an American on another newspaper forum describing BA as "the worst of British business" and that's true - if they're not cutting routes and staff, they're price fixing or losing luggage.
I know it's a difficult time for the staff concerned, but they should focus on finding employment elsewhere as even if BA do "reconsider their plans" for now there's no guarantee they won't turn round and swing the axe at a later date.
At the risk of overusing the "London Airways" tag, that's exactly what they've become. Any observers who think this is just Scottish parochialism should note that cities like Belfast, Manchester, Newcastle, Birmingham, Bristol and Southampton have all been treated abominably by the so-called national airline too.
I saw an American on another newspaper forum describing BA as "the worst of British business" and that's true - if they're not cutting routes and staff, they're price fixing or losing luggage.
Posted by: GML, right here on 3:24pm Thu 30 Oct 08
I agree with most of that, but in fairness London Airways new terminal at Heathrow is at least as pleasant as Schiphol is these days for making connections, or maybe even a bit nicer. And whereas KLM is the inescapable first choice for many European destinations, I have to say that flying across the Atlantic with both KLM and NWA has made me think BA isn't so bad after all for that sort of trip.
I agree with most of that, but in fairness London Airways new terminal at Heathrow is at least as pleasant as Schiphol is these days for making connections, or maybe even a bit nicer. And whereas KLM is the inescapable first choice for many European destinations, I have to say that flying across the Atlantic with both KLM and NWA has made me think BA isn't so bad after all for that sort of trip.
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 3:25pm Thu 30 Oct 08
BA insist its Glasgow-based cabin crew are being given a viable choice to either relocate to London or take voluntary redundancy but critics say the move South will be impossible for most staff........What the feck is viable about this they should have imediate industrial action as if this was heathrow thats what would be happening
BA insist its Glasgow-based cabin crew are being given a viable choice to either relocate to London or take voluntary redundancy but critics say the move South will be impossible for most staff........What the feck is viable about this they should have imediate industrial action as if this was heathrow thats what would be happening
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 3:42pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]willie mac[/bold] wrote:
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had. As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world. Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow. Time to give this let down airline a miss.[/quote] Have you ever checked the flight frequency and pricing to Amsterdam via KLM?
You fool.
willie mac wrote:
British Airways have no commitment to Scotland whatsoever, and never have had. As a london based anglocentric airline, people in Scotland would do well to remember that Scotland is very well served by the KLM network which has flights from all of the major Scottish airports to Amsterdam Schipol, and from where there are very very good links to all over the world. Indeed, flying internationally via Schipol is a far more preferable experience that flying via Heathrow. Time to give this let down airline a miss.
Have you ever checked the flight frequency and pricing to Amsterdam via KLM?
You fool.
Posted by: Helmut de Smegma, Glasgow on 3:44pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]GML[/bold] wrote:
I agree with most of that, but in fairness London Airways new terminal at Heathrow is at least as pleasant as Schiphol is these days for making connections, or maybe even a bit nicer. And whereas KLM is the inescapable first choice for many European destinations, I have to say that flying across the Atlantic with both KLM and NWA has made me think BA isn't so bad after all for that sort of trip. [/quote] Why KLM and NWA?
Continental fly twice daily to their Newark hub,U.S.Airlines daily to Philly.
KLM flights are too infrequent and pricey from Glasgow.
GML wrote:
I agree with most of that, but in fairness London Airways new terminal at Heathrow is at least as pleasant as Schiphol is these days for making connections, or maybe even a bit nicer. And whereas KLM is the inescapable first choice for many European destinations, I have to say that flying across the Atlantic with both KLM and NWA has made me think BA isn't so bad after all for that sort of trip.
Why KLM and NWA?
Continental fly twice daily to their Newark hub,U.S.Airlines daily to Philly.
KLM flights are too infrequent and pricey from Glasgow.
Posted by: Foxy, Brigadoon on 5:55pm Thu 30 Oct 08
"The 135 Glasgow-based cabin crew will be given the option of transferring to Heathrow or they may choose to accept voluntary severance.
Who in their right mind would refuse? A post in London or
a post in Glasgow..?
"The 135 Glasgow-based cabin crew will be given the option of transferring to Heathrow or they may choose to accept voluntary severance.
Who in their right mind would refuse? A post in London or
a post in Glasgow..?
Posted by: SPAMALOT, southside on 6:35pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]Foxy[/bold] wrote:
"The 135 Glasgow-based cabin crew will be given the option of transferring to Heathrow or they may choose to accept voluntary severance. Who in their right mind would refuse? A post in London or a post in Glasgow..?[/quote] explain ya chookter
Foxy wrote:
"The 135 Glasgow-based cabin crew will be given the option of transferring to Heathrow or they may choose to accept voluntary severance. Who in their right mind would refuse? A post in London or a post in Glasgow..?
explain ya chookter
Posted by: docherty, South Side on 6:49pm Thu 30 Oct 08
Glasgow Airport is not much more than a Regional airport, and is relatively well served for in UK & Ireland flights. Unfortunately, for those among us that travel regularly, for better or worse, all (most) flights seem to go through Heathrow for non-Regional flights. Getting to Glasgow from most parts of the Continent, for instance, usually entails a flight through London. Direct flights, if you are lucky enough to find one, are limited and/or expensive. As to BA, I think most travelers would say they are no better or worse than other carriers especially BM. So bottom-line if you travel you know your options and we have put up with a poor product.
Glasgow Airport is not much more than a Regional airport, and is relatively well served for in UK & Ireland flights. Unfortunately, for those among us that travel regularly, for better or worse, all (most) flights seem to go through Heathrow for non-Regional flights. Getting to Glasgow from most parts of the Continent, for instance, usually entails a flight through London. Direct flights, if you are lucky enough to find one, are limited and/or expensive. As to BA, I think most travelers would say they are no better or worse than other carriers especially BM. So bottom-line if you travel you know your options and we have put up with a poor product.
Posted by: Moanin Minnie, Not here on 8:43pm Thu 30 Oct 08
[quote][bold]N.S.00[/bold] wrote:
I have previously had the misfortune to work for this company who treat their staff terribly. I feel really sorry for the staff they are under immense pressure and get very poor pay for a tough job! Seems like not much changes in the world of BA. [/quote] You should be a disabled passenger and see how they treat them. I will never fly with BA again.
N.S.00 wrote:
I have previously had the misfortune to work for this company who treat their staff terribly. I feel really sorry for the staff they are under immense pressure and get very poor pay for a tough job! Seems like not much changes in the world of BA.
You should be a disabled passenger and see how they treat them. I will never fly with BA again.
Posted by: RMiller, UK on 10:11am Fri 31 Oct 08
It seems that some people here, and the MP's seem to think that economics of running an airline don't affect Scotland. Would they like to rebrand BA as 'Socialist Airways' ?!?!?!
It seems that some people here, and the MP's seem to think that economics of running an airline don't affect Scotland. Would they like to rebrand BA as 'Socialist Airways' ?!?!?!
Posted by: rosscobhoy, Glasgow on 10:53am Fri 31 Oct 08
Rmiller. I think most people are saying they should drop the "British"....
Rmiller. I think most people are saying they should drop the "British"....
Posted by: rosscobhoy, Glasgow on 10:57am Fri 31 Oct 08
Rmiller. I think most people are saying they should drop the "British"....
Rmiller. I think most people are saying they should drop the "British"....