Posted by: People Power, GLasgow on 2:49pm Thu 13 Nov 08
I quote G.C.C.'s response to this terrible, and avoidable accident:
[quote]Glasgow City Council uses a points system which tallies the number of accidents, fatalities and volume of cars in an area before a crossing is introduced.[/quote]
How idiotic, and ridiculous is the council is this legislative practice. Surely just one life lost, or significantly impaired is one too many.
You can guarantee if this was a lost life of a Councillor, MSP, their relatives, or a person of authority the need for such a crossing to be installed would be placed far higher.
With this kind of legislation, ultimately Glasgow City Council is playing with peoples lives, and saying that there has to be a certain number of deaths to justify any sort of crossing being put in place.
Surely, if there are no crossings within a large stretch of any very busy, well used, or provided road for shops, businesses etc - the Council and Land Services must look at the need far more seriously after just one single death, or serious accident like Amy's.
As one death, or serious & life threatening accident on our roads is one too many, especially if it could be avoided.
I wish Isabelle McDonald well in her attempts to see that a crossing is put in place. And, hope that Amy makes good progress in her recovery.
It is examples like this story which make people aware of the need to campaign for anything which improves public safety.
It's just unfortunate it has to take this sort of accident to raise the awareness of communities, of what is felt is needed to prevent it ever happening again.
I quote G.C.C.'s response to this terrible, and avoidable accident:
Glasgow City Council uses a points system which tallies the number of accidents, fatalities and volume of cars in an area before a crossing is introduced.
How idiotic, and ridiculous is the council is this legislative practice. Surely just one life lost, or significantly impaired is one too many.
You can guarantee if this was a lost life of a Councillor, MSP, their relatives, or a person of authority the need for such a crossing to be installed would be placed far higher.
With this kind of legislation, ultimately Glasgow City Council is playing with peoples lives, and saying that there has to be a certain number of deaths to justify any sort of crossing being put in place.
Surely, if there are no crossings within a large stretch of any very busy, well used, or provided road for shops, businesses etc - the Council and Land Services must look at the need far more seriously after just one single death, or serious accident like Amy's.
As one death, or serious & life threatening accident on our roads is one too many, especially if it could be avoided.
I wish Isabelle McDonald well in her attempts to see that a crossing is put in place. And, hope that Amy makes good progress in her recovery.
It is examples like this story which make people aware of the need to campaign for anything which improves public safety.
It's just unfortunate it has to take this sort of accident to raise the awareness of communities, of what is felt is needed to prevent it ever happening again.
Posted by: Rab.c, Govan on 5:16pm Thu 13 Nov 08
If a bus is stopped at a bus stop, then there is a good chance that someone is going to get off at this location. It then goes that it could possibly be a child, who may then walk or run into the road to get to the other side. Drivers must consider this when they are presented with this type of scenario.
It is not my intention to point an accusing finger, I just wish that drivers in this city would take a chill pill and show some consideration for others every once in a while.
I wish Amy a quick recovery and hope she is home very soon.
If a bus is stopped at a bus stop, then there is a good chance that someone is going to get off at this location. It then goes that it could possibly be a child, who may then walk or run into the road to get to the other side. Drivers must consider this when they are presented with this type of scenario.
It is not my intention to point an accusing finger, I just wish that drivers in this city would take a chill pill and show some consideration for others every once in a while.
I wish Amy a quick recovery and hope she is home very soon.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 6:10pm Thu 13 Nov 08
Rab, I'll agree with you in that drivers badly need to re-assess their driving abilities.
The speed of life, with mobile phones, and still unfortunately the use of them illegally whilst driving has meant far less attention is being payed on the roads & people using them.
The impatient of drivers, and the need to get through lights - even when their changing, or have just gone to red doesn't seem to bother some fools, who think they can just jump that red.
It's about us all giving ourselves more time for our journeys, paying more attention when we're driving. Ensuring we're looking after not just our cars - but ourselves when we get behind the wheel of a car, and asking ourselves, is the speeding, overtaking, risky manoueveres, and horn sounding really worth it if it makes us so stressed in the end.
The roads are far busier with traffic, and if they aren't expanded, and car ownership increases year on year the net result is far more queues, traffic jams, tailbacks, and stressed drivers. As Rab says:
[quote]I just wish that drivers in this city would take a chill pill and show some consideration for others every once in a while.[/quote]
Lets just hope this sort of accident is avoided in future for the sake of humanity, and the value of human lives being respected a bit more.
Rab, I'll agree with you in that drivers badly need to re-assess their driving abilities.
The speed of life, with mobile phones, and still unfortunately the use of them illegally whilst driving has meant far less attention is being payed on the roads & people using them.
The impatient of drivers, and the need to get through lights - even when their changing, or have just gone to red doesn't seem to bother some fools, who think they can just jump that red.
It's about us all giving ourselves more time for our journeys, paying more attention when we're driving. Ensuring we're looking after not just our cars - but ourselves when we get behind the wheel of a car, and asking ourselves, is the speeding, overtaking, risky manoueveres, and horn sounding really worth it if it makes us so stressed in the end.
The roads are far busier with traffic, and if they aren't expanded, and car ownership increases year on year the net result is far more queues, traffic jams, tailbacks, and stressed drivers. As Rab says:
I just wish that drivers in this city would take a chill pill and show some consideration for others every once in a while.
Lets just hope this sort of accident is avoided in future for the sake of humanity, and the value of human lives being respected a bit more.
Posted by: Gwennie, Glasgow on 6:24pm Thu 13 Nov 08
I believe she was knocked down at the junction of Maukinfauld Road at Tollcross Road. There is a crossing there, although it is about 30/40 feet away from the bus stop. Maybe the Evening Times should go out and have a wee look. Did they check their facts before printing this story?
I believe she was knocked down at the junction of Maukinfauld Road at Tollcross Road. There is a crossing there, although it is about 30/40 feet away from the bus stop. Maybe the Evening Times should go out and have a wee look. Did they check their facts before printing this story?
Posted by: cairnie, glasgow on 9:14pm Thu 13 Nov 08
i hope your beautiful daughter wakes up soon, it is so sad to see this, as i lost my beautiful suzanne age 15yrs, two years ago, she to was knocked down crossing maryhill road just after coming of a bus with her friend, and was hit by a passing car, every day is hard, i just want you to know you are all in my thoughts.please stay strong. mrs j cairnie. suzanne site. www.xoxweeheathernsu
zannexox.piczo.com
i hope your beautiful daughter wakes up soon, it is so sad to see this, as i lost my beautiful suzanne age 15yrs, two years ago, she to was knocked down crossing maryhill road just after coming of a bus with her friend, and was hit by a passing car, every day is hard, i just want you to know you are all in my thoughts.please stay strong. mrs j cairnie. suzanne site. www.xoxweeheathernsu
zannexox.piczo.com
Posted by: adam, NY on 6:07am Fri 14 Nov 08
Hope she will get well soon, i　heard her from a friend from tallkiss.com, ppl there are concentrating on her, come on, girl!
Hope she will get well soon, i　heard her from a friend from tallkiss.com, ppl there are concentrating on her, come on, girl!
Posted by: Dave Holladay, Glasgow on 8:50am Fri 14 Nov 08
The car culture of Glasgow where in the innner City less than half the households own a car but provision cars coming in to park right in the centre gives a pressure for fast er speed on roads through places where there are lots of peple walking about
Tollcross Road, and many others like it with houses and shops should be designed (not just signed) to be used at a maximum speed of 20mph - not daft speed humps, but road features which keep speeds down, junctions where all traffic may need to give way, and zebra crossings.
Amazingky Glasgow - in the ENTIRE CITY there is just ONE zebra crossing, everywhere else the more costly and less safe light controlled crossings are installed, and these in turn create delay & frustration for both the rod user on wheels and the pedestrian - try the crossing at Anderston Station - pedestrians chance a crossing because it takes an age for the lights to change and drivers run the red light because the pedestrians who had press the button are long gone having dodged their way across.
Zebra crossings do require respect - they offer the pedestrian immediate on demand use - very important where standing still dramatically increases your journey time, and they demand the both 'driver' and pedestrian look at each other to see that they are acting appropriately not the blind acceptance that a green man means get walking without looking, or a green light means blast through without making sure the road is clear ahead.
The carsh happened in what sounds like a classic situation - large vehicle obscuring forward visibility and pedestrian moves to cross the road from the hidden zone. A skilled driver sees tha hazard and either moves further away from the large vehicle to see around it or SLOWS DOWN. Many drivesr seem to have forgotten where the brake pedal is and how handy it can be to avoid any crash (and damage to the car) when a surprise action from another road user makes it neceaasry to stop quickly.
90 feet seems a long way to propel a person who at a guess weighed around 50 Kg - and hints that a closer study of the dynamics would reveal the range of speed at which she was hit, That figure might be a close call for the Police to press any charges and the driver will, carry that experience for the rest of their life. I know because I had a child run out into a car I was driving - but having already seen the kids playing at the side of the street I had covered the brakes, and stopped in the length of the car, with the child lying at on the ground in front with a big bruise swelling up on his face. Note that this child was not thrown any distance at all and my initial speed was between 20 and 30 mph. 90 feet sounds seriously like careless ness if not speeding in passing so close to the bus without seeing the road ahead, at a speed from which they 'could not stop in the distance you can see to be clear'(ibid - Highway Code)
The car culture of Glasgow where in the innner City less than half the households own a car but provision cars coming in to park right in the centre gives a pressure for fast er speed on roads through places where there are lots of peple walking about
Tollcross Road, and many others like it with houses and shops should be designed (not just signed) to be used at a maximum speed of 20mph - not daft speed humps, but road features which keep speeds down, junctions where all traffic may need to give way, and zebra crossings.
Amazingky Glasgow - in the ENTIRE CITY there is just ONE zebra crossing, everywhere else the more costly and less safe light controlled crossings are installed, and these in turn create delay & frustration for both the rod user on wheels and the pedestrian - try the crossing at Anderston Station - pedestrians chance a crossing because it takes an age for the lights to change and drivers run the red light because the pedestrians who had press the button are long gone having dodged their way across.
Zebra crossings do require respect - they offer the pedestrian immediate on demand use - very important where standing still dramatically increases your journey time, and they demand the both 'driver' and pedestrian look at each other to see that they are acting appropriately not the blind acceptance that a green man means get walking without looking, or a green light means blast through without making sure the road is clear ahead.
The carsh happened in what sounds like a classic situation - large vehicle obscuring forward visibility and pedestrian moves to cross the road from the hidden zone. A skilled driver sees tha hazard and either moves further away from the large vehicle to see around it or SLOWS DOWN. Many drivesr seem to have forgotten where the brake pedal is and how handy it can be to avoid any crash (and damage to the car) when a surprise action from another road user makes it neceaasry to stop quickly.
90 feet seems a long way to propel a person who at a guess weighed around 50 Kg - and hints that a closer study of the dynamics would reveal the range of speed at which she was hit, That figure might be a close call for the Police to press any charges and the driver will, carry that experience for the rest of their life. I know because I had a child run out into a car I was driving - but having already seen the kids playing at the side of the street I had covered the brakes, and stopped in the length of the car, with the child lying at on the ground in front with a big bruise swelling up on his face. Note that this child was not thrown any distance at all and my initial speed was between 20 and 30 mph. 90 feet sounds seriously like careless ness if not speeding in passing so close to the bus without seeing the road ahead, at a speed from which they 'could not stop in the distance you can see to be clear'(ibid - Highway Code)
Posted by: jordansballoons, tollcross on 12:20pm Fri 14 Nov 08
Hi this is Amys sister Emma id just like to thank everyone who has sent amy all these get well wishes and would like to let people know that she is getting a little bit better each day.Id like to reply to one message in particular though.To Gwennie. Maybe its you who should get your facts right before commenting ! and not the papers . As the part of Tollcross Rd where Amy was hit is half way between two pedestrian crossings.One at Mackinfauld rd and the other at Braidfauld st .Our family are in the process of putting together a petition to have a crossing sited outside the entrance to mcvities factory on Tollcross Rd .We would be grateful of any support that we can get to having a crossing placed in this area .xxx Emma.
Hi this is Amys sister Emma id just like to thank everyone who has sent amy all these get well wishes and would like to let people know that she is getting a little bit better each day.Id like to reply to one message in particular though.To Gwennie. Maybe its you who should get your facts right before commenting ! and not the papers . As the part of Tollcross Rd where Amy was hit is half way between two pedestrian crossings.One at Mackinfauld rd and the other at Braidfauld st .Our family are in the process of putting together a petition to have a crossing sited outside the entrance to mcvities factory on Tollcross Rd .We would be grateful of any support that we can get to having a crossing placed in this area .xxx Emma.
Posted by: Gwennie, Glasgow on 1:42pm Fri 14 Nov 08
I must apologise to Emma (Amy's sister). I in fact did not get the facts straight. Unfortunately my internet did not show the picture properly and it wasn't til i got home that i saw in the paper where it happened. The papers at the weekend said it was at Maukinfauld Road. I have stayed in the area all my life and i know how busy this road is. I will be signing your petition if i see it. I know that they tried to get something done when the entrance to the biscuit factory was moved but nothing happened then. I hope you are more successful. Hope Amy gets better soon.
I must apologise to Emma (Amy's sister). I in fact did not get the facts straight. Unfortunately my internet did not show the picture properly and it wasn't til i got home that i saw in the paper where it happened. The papers at the weekend said it was at Maukinfauld Road. I have stayed in the area all my life and i know how busy this road is. I will be signing your petition if i see it. I know that they tried to get something done when the entrance to the biscuit factory was moved but nothing happened then. I hope you are more successful. Hope Amy gets better soon.
Posted by: Malcolm Green on 2:29pm Fri 14 Nov 08
My good friend Dave Holladay goes too far, I think, in rubbishing light-operated crossings. Older pedestrians value the red light which requires vehicles to halt. Without the light there's only your own presence on the crossing to warn the motorist. Just look at the Continent, where cars will only stop at the crossing if you step right in front of them. I agree with Dave, though, that pedestrians should not have to wait more han 30 seconds for the light to change. E.g Highburgh Road/Dowanhill Street and Byres Road/Gt George Street change quickly and people wait. Argyle Street/Kelvin Hall and Argyle Street/ Western Infirmary, DumbartonRoad/Hyndla
nd Street are too long and tempt people to chance it.
My good friend Dave Holladay goes too far, I think, in rubbishing light-operated crossings. Older pedestrians value the red light which requires vehicles to halt. Without the light there's only your own presence on the crossing to warn the motorist. Just look at the Continent, where cars will only stop at the crossing if you step right in front of them. I agree with Dave, though, that pedestrians should not have to wait more han 30 seconds for the light to change. E.g Highburgh Road/Dowanhill Street and Byres Road/Gt George Street change quickly and people wait. Argyle Street/Kelvin Hall and Argyle Street/ Western Infirmary, DumbartonRoad/Hyndla
nd Street are too long and tempt people to chance it.
Posted by: Jenna, Glasgow on 4:21pm Fri 14 Nov 08
Hi my name is Jenna, I am a good friend of Amy's big sister, and have recently been helping with the petition.
The written petitions are due to go in and around the local area, but for people who do not live in the area you still have the opportunity to sign it and save a live!...
Please click the below:
http://www.gopetitio
n.com/petitions/pede
strian-crossing-on-t
ollcross-road.html
Many thanks in advance!...
On behalf of Amy's family
Hi my name is Jenna, I am a good friend of Amy's big sister, and have recently been helping with the petition.
The written petitions are due to go in and around the local area, but for people who do not live in the area you still have the opportunity to sign it and save a live!...
Please click the below:
http://www.gopetitio
n.com/petitions/pede
strian-crossing-on-t
ollcross-road.html
Many thanks in advance!...
On behalf of Amy's family
Posted by: Jenna, Glasgow on 4:23pm Fri 14 Nov 08
Sorry is doesn't appear to be a clickable link, please copy and paste into your address bar.
Thanks again
Sorry is doesn't appear to be a clickable link, please copy and paste into your address bar.
Thanks again
Posted by: Jenna, Glasgow on 4:27pm Fri 14 Nov 08
http://www.gopetitio
n.co.uk/online/23332
.html
http://www.gopetitio
n.co.uk/online/23332
.html
Posted by: Betty Uttley, formally Sheffield on 8:37pm Fri 14 Nov 08
In America the buses are stopped to let passengers off, then cars are to stop behind the bus until the bus continues it's journey, this way it prevents any passengers getting off the bus, from being run down by cars, they can go across the road without fearing that a car will come around the bus, this is done by law.
Hope the young woman gets well soon, California is praying for her.
In America the buses are stopped to let passengers off, then cars are to stop behind the bus until the bus continues it's journey, this way it prevents any passengers getting off the bus, from being run down by cars, they can go across the road without fearing that a car will come around the bus, this is done by law.
Hope the young woman gets well soon, California is praying for her.
Posted by: littlemamma.1981, glasgow on 11:45pm Fri 14 Nov 08
just want to give my love to amy and her family,a stay next to amy and miss seeing her round,she is a lovely and bubbly girl,hope to c u soon amy,love and kissess,shona,declan
,leah and louis,****
just want to give my love to amy and her family,a stay next to amy and miss seeing her round,she is a lovely and bubbly girl,hope to c u soon amy,love and kissess,shona,declan
,leah and louis,****
Posted by: celtic4, United States on 3:10pm Sat 15 Nov 08
Please get well soon Amy. We are pulling for you.
And the council needs to consider the law about cars stopping behind stopped buses. This would prevent any more accidents like Amy's in future. It works here. It can work there.
Please get well soon Amy. We are pulling for you.
And the council needs to consider the law about cars stopping behind stopped buses. This would prevent any more accidents like Amy's in future. It works here. It can work there.
Posted by: Dave Holladay, Glasgow on 4:46am Mon 17 Nov 08
Thanks for the posting Malcolm - On Saturday I was at a "20's Plenty for Us" conference bringing together CTC, Living Streets, Roadpeace, and BHS with Cyclenation and the 20's Plenty Campaign. It reinforced my ideas on the fact that whole areas should have a blanket 20mph speed limit - not just piecemeal patches like around schools, and only at certain times of day.
In Hull, where the default speed limit is now 20mph as it also is in Portsmouth, Norwich, and (soon) Newcastle, there has been a massive decrease in pedestrian casualties, (90% fewer fatal and serious and 60% fewer overall casualties) and a commitment from Peter Shipp and other local bus operators that their drivers will stick to the 20 mph speed limit helps to enforce that speed limit.
Enforcement of any speed limits would be far better achieved if a critical mass of the traffic was travelling at or below the limit, rather than using isolated (and unpopular) measures like speed humps. So, in Glasgow we could call for the major bus operators, with many routes not operating on any roads with speed limits above 30mph to commit to a zero tolerance on speeding regime so that buses act like big mobile speed limiters for the traffic flow - add to this all of the Council's own big vehicles - Refuse trucks Social work buses etc all keeping to the speed limit. With that sort of commitment we might make some inroads on Glasgow's speeding culture among motorists. Specifically, Tolcross Road is laid out in such a way that speeding is a natural default condition rather than something which makes an offender stand out from other traffic with their inappropriate driving style.
As a PS I still think that 90 feet is a ridiculously large distance for a car travelling within a 30mph limit to propel a pedestrian. I don't have the appropriate formulae to hand but an organisation like Roadpeace (www.roadpeace.org) might know more of the mechanics of such crashes.
Remember too that Sunday 16th was the World-Wide Day of Remembrance - for the substantially greater number of victims killed by the motor vehicle than in the current wars involving the UK's troops - between the first and the 100th death of UK soldiers almost 5,500 had dies on the UK's roads! 3 times as many die on the road as through knife attack - so in targetting bad driving the Police might actually be acting to reduce deaths and injuries mnore effectively than going after those carrying knives.
Thanks for the posting Malcolm - On Saturday I was at a "20's Plenty for Us" conference bringing together CTC, Living Streets, Roadpeace, and BHS with Cyclenation and the 20's Plenty Campaign. It reinforced my ideas on the fact that whole areas should have a blanket 20mph speed limit - not just piecemeal patches like around schools, and only at certain times of day.
In Hull, where the default speed limit is now 20mph as it also is in Portsmouth, Norwich, and (soon) Newcastle, there has been a massive decrease in pedestrian casualties, (90% fewer fatal and serious and 60% fewer overall casualties) and a commitment from Peter Shipp and other local bus operators that their drivers will stick to the 20 mph speed limit helps to enforce that speed limit.
Enforcement of any speed limits would be far better achieved if a critical mass of the traffic was travelling at or below the limit, rather than using isolated (and unpopular) measures like speed humps. So, in Glasgow we could call for the major bus operators, with many routes not operating on any roads with speed limits above 30mph to commit to a zero tolerance on speeding regime so that buses act like big mobile speed limiters for the traffic flow - add to this all of the Council's own big vehicles - Refuse trucks Social work buses etc all keeping to the speed limit. With that sort of commitment we might make some inroads on Glasgow's speeding culture among motorists. Specifically, Tolcross Road is laid out in such a way that speeding is a natural default condition rather than something which makes an offender stand out from other traffic with their inappropriate driving style.
As a PS I still think that 90 feet is a ridiculously large distance for a car travelling within a 30mph limit to propel a pedestrian. I don't have the appropriate formulae to hand but an organisation like Roadpeace (www.roadpeace.org) might know more of the mechanics of such crashes.
Remember too that Sunday 16th was the World-Wide Day of Remembrance - for the substantially greater number of victims killed by the motor vehicle than in the current wars involving the UK's troops - between the first and the 100th death of UK soldiers almost 5,500 had dies on the UK's roads! 3 times as many die on the road as through knife attack - so in targetting bad driving the Police might actually be acting to reduce deaths and injuries mnore effectively than going after those carrying knives.
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