Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 11:10am Mon 17 Nov 08
"[quote]The fact that just under half of Scots refer to children as feral' means we still need to change public perception and recognise that most young people aren't unruly and criminal.[/quote]
What a load of absolute c**p - if this "survey" is typical of the way Barnardo's spend public donations then perhaps serious questions require to be asked by the Charity Commission and teh many Scots who support their work, either by direct giving or by donating items to their shops.
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The fact that just under half of Scots refer to children as feral' means we still need to change public perception and recognise that most young people aren't unruly and criminal.
What a load of absolute c**p - if this "survey" is typical of the way Barnardo's spend public donations then perhaps serious questions require to be asked by the Charity Commission and teh many Scots who support their work, either by direct giving or by donating items to their shops.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:26am Mon 17 Nov 08
I dont believe the public has to 'change its perception'. Children have to change their behaviour.
Yes, I know its not all children, but these groups need to accept that it is MANY children.
Children need to be taught more about living in the real world - about failure as well as success, about disappointment as well as pleasure - they need to be prepared to take responsibility for their actions - not be pandered to, sheltered from everything, and taught all about their 'rights'.
I wouldnt describe children as animals, because I like animals, and have never seen any behave in such a horrible way as some of the children roaming around where I live.
I dont believe the public has to 'change its perception'. Children have to change their behaviour.
Yes, I know its not all children, but these groups need to accept that it is MANY children.
Children need to be taught more about living in the real world - about failure as well as success, about disappointment as well as pleasure - they need to be prepared to take responsibility for their actions - not be pandered to, sheltered from everything, and taught all about their 'rights'.
I wouldnt describe children as animals, because I like animals, and have never seen any behave in such a horrible way as some of the children roaming around where I live.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 11:38am Mon 17 Nov 08
Again we see Barnardos being used has a Trojan horse by political groups like Common Purpose. Barnardos is not fit for purpose. They are not helping with misguided rubbish like this survey.
Again we see Barnardos being used has a Trojan horse by political groups like Common Purpose. Barnardos is not fit for purpose. They are not helping with misguided rubbish like this survey.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 11:45am Mon 17 Nov 08
"A poll of 2021 adults across the UK..." Is anyone else sick of groups using small scale surveys to create spurious findings to highlight their own cause. I'd like to see the questions asked, to see if they used the words "animal" or "feral" in the questions, or whether over 800 people used the terminology completely unprompted. Seems unlikely to me.
Is this a case of Barnardos actually using stigmatising terms to 'highlight' the stigmatisation of children? Curious.
"A poll of 2021 adults across the UK..." Is anyone else sick of groups using small scale surveys to create spurious findings to highlight their own cause. I'd like to see the questions asked, to see if they used the words "animal" or "feral" in the questions, or whether over 800 people used the terminology completely unprompted. Seems unlikely to me.
Is this a case of Barnardos actually using stigmatising terms to 'highlight' the stigmatisation of children? Curious.
Posted by: Grassyback, Dumbarton on 1:11pm Mon 17 Nov 08
Did no-one read the article about the 14 year old boy trying to rob 5 men and indecently assaulting a 38 year oold woman at knifepoint..... obviously we are all wrong to think the kids are out of control?!
Social services but out; let the parents discipline thier kids; I don't mean batter your kids thats wrong but I got the belt as a kid and I've no criminal record. Police officers arrest them, do the paperwork and lock them up. Prison officers get rid of the 'cushy' 'easy time' make prison harsh; thats the biggest deterant we have. Head techers; give the children detention after school hours; so it eats into their social life; that put me off skipping classes.
We also need to have more activity centres for kids and teenagers though; other than thier playstations at home what else have they to do but roam the streets. Councils need to provide them with somewhere to socialise without reverting to mis-behaviour.
Simple steps and a difference will be seen.
Did no-one read the article about the 14 year old boy trying to rob 5 men and indecently assaulting a 38 year oold woman at knifepoint..... obviously we are all wrong to think the kids are out of control?!
Social services but out; let the parents discipline thier kids; I don't mean batter your kids thats wrong but I got the belt as a kid and I've no criminal record. Police officers arrest them, do the paperwork and lock them up. Prison officers get rid of the 'cushy' 'easy time' make prison harsh; thats the biggest deterant we have. Head techers; give the children detention after school hours; so it eats into their social life; that put me off skipping classes.
We also need to have more activity centres for kids and teenagers though; other than thier playstations at home what else have they to do but roam the streets. Councils need to provide them with somewhere to socialise without reverting to mis-behaviour.
Simple steps and a difference will be seen.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 1:18pm Mon 17 Nov 08
[quote]Did no-one read the article about the 14 year old boy trying to rob 5 men and indecently assaulting a 38 year oold woman at knifepoint..... obviously we are all wrong to think the kids are out of control?![/quote]
But that doesn't mean that half of kids are "animals".
Agree with the rest though. Shouldn't be rocket science, just about instilling self-discipline through parenting and activities and - if that fails - perhaps other types of discipline are required.
But this "animals" thing - just daft.
Did no-one read the article about the 14 year old boy trying to rob 5 men and indecently assaulting a 38 year oold woman at knifepoint..... obviously we are all wrong to think the kids are out of control?!
But that doesn't mean that half of kids are "animals".
Agree with the rest though. Shouldn't be rocket science, just about instilling self-discipline through parenting and activities and - if that fails - perhaps other types of discipline are required.
But this "animals" thing - just daft.
Posted by: victor meldrew, condorrat on 1:32pm Mon 17 Nov 08
'Almost half Scots asked believed children act like animals' -Should this not have read -'SOME children act like animals?' If so, nobody with half a brain could dispute it, given the almost daily media evidence!
'Almost half Scots asked believed children act like animals' -Should this not have read -'SOME children act like animals?' If so, nobody with half a brain could dispute it, given the almost daily media evidence!
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:17pm Mon 17 Nov 08
[quote]A poll of 2021 adults across the UK..." Is anyone else sick of groups using small scale surveys to create spurious findings to highlight their own cause. I'd like to see the questions asked, to see if they used the words "animal" or "feral" in the questions, or whether over 800 people used the terminology completely unprompted.[/quote]
I'm also sick of it Pete. Asking just over 2000 people across [bold]the entire UK[/bold] is hardly a representative sample of then UK population. Given the size of the Scottish population in relation to that south of the Bordcer, I wonder how many Scots were actually included. Yet the charity claims that [quote]ust under half of Scots refer to children as feral[/quote].
And I'm pretty sure that the words "feral" and "animlas" did not come from the mouths of the respondents without any prompting.
A poll of 2021 adults across the UK..." Is anyone else sick of groups using small scale surveys to create spurious findings to highlight their own cause. I'd like to see the questions asked, to see if they used the words "animal" or "feral" in the questions, or whether over 800 people used the terminology completely unprompted.
I'm also sick of it Pete. Asking just over 2000 people across
the entire UK is hardly a representative sample of then UK population. Given the size of the Scottish population in relation to that south of the Bordcer, I wonder how many Scots were actually included. Yet the charity claims that
ust under half of Scots refer to children as feral
.
And I'm pretty sure that the words "feral" and "animlas" did not come from the mouths of the respondents without any prompting.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 5:45pm Mon 17 Nov 08
'spare the rod and spoil the child'...... the meaning behind this age old adage is, if you do not rule children with positive discipline you will end up with a spoiled child,....boy is that ever true.
'spare the rod and spoil the child'...... the meaning behind this age old adage is, if you do not rule children with positive discipline you will end up with a spoiled child,....boy is that ever true.
Posted by: Brad on 6:01pm Mon 17 Nov 08
Regardless of the answer, it's sad that the question is even asked.
Regardless of the answer, it's sad that the question is even asked.
Posted by: LB, Glasgow on 6:25pm Mon 17 Nov 08
I'm surprised it was only 40% of adult Scots that felt this way. Having witnessed countless instances of teenage neds blighting our city with their mindless vandalism, ridiculous alcohol abuse and wanton abuse of anything and everything, I whole-heartedly agree with those who consider them "feral" and "animals". The problem could be easily solved by introducing clearly identifiable chain gangs of teenagers who are caught. They might treat ASBOs like a badge of honour, but I doubt they'd be quite as proud of spending a few weeks scraping up the sh*te from our city streets.
I'm surprised it was only 40% of adult Scots that felt this way. Having witnessed countless instances of teenage neds blighting our city with their mindless vandalism, ridiculous alcohol abuse and wanton abuse of anything and everything, I whole-heartedly agree with those who consider them "feral" and "animals". The problem could be easily solved by introducing clearly identifiable chain gangs of teenagers who are caught. They might treat ASBOs like a badge of honour, but I doubt they'd be quite as proud of spending a few weeks scraping up the sh*te from our city streets.
Posted by: J brown, Paisley on 6:44pm Mon 17 Nov 08
Just remember that is us adults that made kids the way they are.
Just remember that is us adults that made kids the way they are.
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