Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:11am Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote]Glasgow councillors met and were set to approve a 410ft wind turbine on Cathkin Braes, on the south of the city.[/quote]
Of course they will. When did they ever listen to the concerns of the public? BTW, Mr Purcell, why were the roads and pavements like skating rinks this morning, without a bit of salt or grit being spread?
Glasgow councillors met and were set to approve a 410ft wind turbine on Cathkin Braes, on the south of the city.
Of course they will. When did they ever listen to the concerns of the public? BTW, Mr Purcell, why were the roads and pavements like skating rinks this morning, without a bit of salt or grit being spread?
Posted by: Heidthebaw, Glasgow on 11:19am Tue 2 Dec 08
They can't have it both ways. If we can't have nuclear, coal or gas power stations, we need to get energy from somewhere.
Would the protestors rather we just uninvented electricity and went back to the dark ages.
Mind you, if they sited a smaller turbine in the city chambers, the hot air would power the entire city.
They can't have it both ways. If we can't have nuclear, coal or gas power stations, we need to get energy from somewhere.
Would the protestors rather we just uninvented electricity and went back to the dark ages.
Mind you, if they sited a smaller turbine in the city chambers, the hot air would power the entire city.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 11:35am Tue 2 Dec 08
Cathkin Braes: "a site of importance for nature conservation (SINC) extends from Blairbeth Golf Course in the east to Windlaw Farm in the west and includes species of importance listed in the Biodiversity Action Plan:
Small Pearl – bordered Fritillary
Reed Bunting
Burnet – saxifrage"
That's from the Council's own website, incidentally.
Not to mention the vital habitat for one of the strongest groupings of Jack Snipe for miles (Glasgow Uni monitor the site, have been conducting studies recently).
So, while I'm generally in favour of wind farms - and having walked near them often I don't really see any problem with the noise, etc. - I really can't see the rationale for this decision. What will one turbine achive, and at what cost to Cathkin Braes? Sounds like a bit of a "look just how envirionmental we all are" vanity project for the council.
Cathkin Braes is a wonderful backdrop for the city. It's a biodiverse site, it's a site of historical interest.
Please don't let this halfwit mess around with it.
Cathkin Braes: "a site of importance for nature conservation (SINC) extends from Blairbeth Golf Course in the east to Windlaw Farm in the west and includes species of importance listed in the Biodiversity Action Plan:
Small Pearl – bordered Fritillary
Reed Bunting
Burnet – saxifrage"
That's from the Council's own website, incidentally.
Not to mention the vital habitat for one of the strongest groupings of Jack Snipe for miles (Glasgow Uni monitor the site, have been conducting studies recently).
So, while I'm generally in favour of wind farms - and having walked near them often I don't really see any problem with the noise, etc. - I really can't see the rationale for this decision. What will one turbine achive, and at what cost to Cathkin Braes? Sounds like a bit of a "look just how envirionmental we all are" vanity project for the council.
Cathkin Braes is a wonderful backdrop for the city. It's a biodiverse site, it's a site of historical interest.
Please don't let this halfwit mess around with it.
Posted by: D.W., Glasgow on 11:36am Tue 2 Dec 08
So, a renewable energy development has resulted in golfers whining about their back yard being spoiled.
Two birds, one stone. Good stuff.
So, a renewable energy development has resulted in golfers whining about their back yard being spoiled.
Two birds, one stone. Good stuff.
Posted by: Brad on 12:01pm Tue 2 Dec 08
'Mon the turbines.
Posted by: Heidthebaw, Glasgow on 12:06pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Are they that bad at golf that a turbine miles in the distance puts them off ?
Personally I find fat guys in godawful outfits strolling about the countryside hitting a wee baw with a stick, much more off-putting. (no pun intended)
I say they should adopt a more positive attitude and compromise a bit. Put some more turbines ON the golf course and call them obstacles.
This would make the game far more challenging and interesting. and might hide some of them so we don't have to view their ghastly attire.
Are they that bad at golf that a turbine miles in the distance puts them off ?
Personally I find fat guys in godawful outfits strolling about the countryside hitting a wee baw with a stick, much more off-putting. (no pun intended)
I say they should adopt a more positive attitude and compromise a bit. Put some more turbines ON the golf course and call them obstacles.
This would make the game far more challenging and interesting. and might hide some of them so we don't have to view their ghastly attire.
Posted by: Smooth Rider, Renfrewshire on 12:16pm Tue 2 Dec 08
The enviromentalists dont want fossil fuel power stations because of pollution, Nuclear energy because of radiation and now windfarms. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?
The enviromentalists dont want fossil fuel power stations because of pollution, Nuclear energy because of radiation and now windfarms. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?
Posted by: Smooth Rider, Renfrewshire on 12:18pm Tue 2 Dec 08
The enviromentalists dont want fossil fuel power stations because of pollution, Nuclear energy because of radiation and now windfarms. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?
The enviromentalists dont want fossil fuel power stations because of pollution, Nuclear energy because of radiation and now windfarms. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT?
Posted by: c-gull, the west coast on 12:40pm Tue 2 Dec 08
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 12:45pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]c-gull[/bold] wrote:
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ? [/quote] Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks?
c-gull wrote:
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks?
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 12:48pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Scotland claims to have Europe's largest onshore wind farm after work on the Whitelee development on Eaglesham Moor, near Glasgow, resulted in the completion of its 91st turbine.
The wind farm, which is owned by ScottishPower Renewables, can now produce 209.3megawatts of electricity, enough energy to power more than 117,000 homes."
OK, fair enough ......... NOW FECKIN EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN WHY ELECTRICITY PRICES ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!
No wonder the world economy is in such a state, when even electricity firms can`t get their figures to add up!!
Add that wind farm to the others springing up all over Scotland, and our electricity should be the cheapest in the world ffs.
Rip off Scotland is alive and well.
Scotland claims to have Europe's largest onshore wind farm after work on the Whitelee development on Eaglesham Moor, near Glasgow, resulted in the completion of its 91st turbine.
The wind farm, which is owned by ScottishPower Renewables, can now produce 209.3megawatts of electricity, enough energy to power more than 117,000 homes."
OK, fair enough ......... NOW FECKIN EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN WHY ELECTRICITY PRICES ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF!!!!
No wonder the world economy is in such a state, when even electricity firms can`t get their figures to add up!!
Add that wind farm to the others springing up all over Scotland, and our electricity should be the cheapest in the world ffs.
Rip off Scotland is alive and well.
Posted by: gkar, Glasgow on 12:49pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Im all for the wind turbines but they should make them more unique rather than just plain white
Im all for the wind turbines but they should make them more unique rather than just plain white
Posted by: Billy Boy, Glasgow on 12:53pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Windfarms are very necessary but they don't have to be placed in areas of outstanding natural beauty or in amongst country parks. Glasgow councillors should do what they are elected to do and represent the peoples interests: not to have their own objectives satisfied.
Windfarms are very necessary but they don't have to be placed in areas of outstanding natural beauty or in amongst country parks. Glasgow councillors should do what they are elected to do and represent the peoples interests: not to have their own objectives satisfied.
Posted by: Riley, Dunoon on 1:05pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain
s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain
s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 1:11pm Tue 2 Dec 08
MY view over the sou side includes the cathkin braes and im delighted. As one poster said "mon the turbines". Save the planet.
And to all the golfers and doggers ( If its not a hole in one its a hole in another :) )....tough!
MY view over the sou side includes the cathkin braes and im delighted. As one poster said "mon the turbines". Save the planet.
And to all the golfers and doggers ( If its not a hole in one its a hole in another :) )....tough!
Posted by: Scunner, Cumbernauld on 1:17pm Tue 2 Dec 08
My main concern with turbines is that we will end up putting them everywhere to the detriment of our beautiful country. Then, in 20 years time, technology will have moved on so far that the turbines are next to useless. Once the landscape is scarred it's scarred. Don't kid yourselves that the damage to our environment could ever be restored.
My main concern with turbines is that we will end up putting them everywhere to the detriment of our beautiful country. Then, in 20 years time, technology will have moved on so far that the turbines are next to useless. Once the landscape is scarred it's scarred. Don't kid yourselves that the damage to our environment could ever be restored.
Posted by: calamero, Glasgow on 1:29pm Tue 2 Dec 08
The turbine will hopefully waft the smells and flies from Cathkin Landfill site away from the golf course.
The turbine will hopefully waft the smells and flies from Cathkin Landfill site away from the golf course.
Posted by: c-gull, the west coast on 1:37pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]c-gull[/bold] wrote: What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ? [/quote] Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks? [/quote] Well your'e a*** must be pointing towards them ,get on with your work ,what is it you do in the cooncil
Pete wrote:
c-gull wrote: What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks?
Well your'e a*** must be pointing towards them ,get on with your work ,what is it you do in the cooncil
Posted by: Nlys, Hilltown on 2:04pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote]They can't have it both ways. If we can't have nuclear, coal or gas power stations, we need to get energy from somewhere.[/quote]
Well, the irony is that building huge numbers of wind turbines will lead to more coal- and gas-fired power stations being built:
[quote]E.ON said that it could take 50 gigawatts of renewable electricity generation to meet the EU target. But it would require up to 90% of this amount as backup from coal and gas plants to ensure supply when intermittent renewable supplies were not available. That would push Britain's installed power base from the existing 76 gigawatts to 120 gigawatts.<br>('E.ON warns over backup for renewables', the Guardian, 4 June 2008)[/quote]
But no doubt Steve Inch and his like know better than one of Europe's biggest power companies (and one of the biggest wind power operators).
They can't have it both ways. If we can't have nuclear, coal or gas power stations, we need to get energy from somewhere.
Well, the irony is that building huge numbers of wind turbines will lead to more coal- and gas-fired power stations being built:
E.ON said that it could take 50 gigawatts of renewable electricity generation to meet the EU target. But it would require up to 90% of this amount as backup from coal and gas plants to ensure supply when intermittent renewable supplies were not available. That would push Britain's installed power base from the existing 76 gigawatts to 120 gigawatts.<br>('E.ON warns over backup for renewables', the Guardian, 4 June 2008)
But no doubt Steve Inch and his like know better than one of Europe's biggest power companies (and one of the biggest wind power operators).
Posted by: Hobbes, Glasgow on 2:07pm Tue 2 Dec 08
This is nothing new, I remember as a kid playing golf and there being those windmill things right in the middle of the course. There might also have been a clown's head and a little castle that you had to putt over the drawbridge. They said it was crazy back then too.
This is nothing new, I remember as a kid playing golf and there being those windmill things right in the middle of the course. There might also have been a clown's head and a little castle that you had to putt over the drawbridge. They said it was crazy back then too.
Posted by: Alessandro, Airdrie on 2:21pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Quite apart from the side-effects of wind turbines, I am rather worried by the way Mr. Inch has dismissed all concerns without even considering them. Although I am not in the Glasgow council area, his actions will surely give others ideas.
With regards to television reception, for example, I can see the upper three-quarters of the local television mast, yet the digital TV signal is upset by vehicles, people, and most types of weather. I can't imagine what a wind turbine might do to it. And I refuse to pay hundreds of pounds for satellite TV.
Quite apart from the side-effects of wind turbines, I am rather worried by the way Mr. Inch has dismissed all concerns without even considering them. Although I am not in the Glasgow council area, his actions will surely give others ideas.
With regards to television reception, for example, I can see the upper three-quarters of the local television mast, yet the digital TV signal is upset by vehicles, people, and most types of weather. I can't imagine what a wind turbine might do to it. And I refuse to pay hundreds of pounds for satellite TV.
Posted by: GAW, Glasgow UK on 2:26pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Renewable energy is a smoke screen. There is a small palce for it, but, ultimately, forward thinking, first world nations will inevitably have to turn to nuclear to guaranteed demand.
Renewable energy is ridiculously uneconomic, and thus very expensive for consumers. France (a country never shy about putting its own interests first) uses all nuclear power. Their electricity bills are [bold]one quarter[/bold] what we pay.
Ironically, at the same time as erecting these inefficient turbines, MPs are bleating on about fuel poverty.
Such counter-productive actions, and utter stupidity, could only occur in Scotland/UK.
Renewable energy is a smoke screen. There is a small palce for it, but, ultimately, forward thinking, first world nations will inevitably have to turn to nuclear to guaranteed demand.
Renewable energy is ridiculously uneconomic, and thus very expensive for consumers. France (a country never shy about putting its own interests first) uses all nuclear power. Their electricity bills are
one quarter what we pay.
Ironically, at the same time as erecting these inefficient turbines, MPs are bleating on about fuel poverty.
Such counter-productive actions, and utter stupidity, could only occur in Scotland/UK.
Posted by: pokermadmonkey, Glasgow on 2:27pm Tue 2 Dec 08
OMG MARTY!!! I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need to send you back to the future.
OMG MARTY!!! I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need to send you back to the future.
Posted by: pokermadmonkey, Glasgow on 2:34pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Once we get the Hadron Collider in business we will all be "sorted". Anyway I thought they were going to start building wind turbines off coast at sea. I couldnt give a flying monkeys about seeing the occassional windturbine. Saying that I dont play golf either ...
Once we get the Hadron Collider in business we will all be "sorted". Anyway I thought they were going to start building wind turbines off coast at sea. I couldnt give a flying monkeys about seeing the occassional windturbine. Saying that I dont play golf either ...
Posted by: c u jimmy, glasgow on 2:38pm Tue 2 Dec 08
more power to them
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:39pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]c-gull[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]c-gull[/bold] wrote: What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ? [/quote] Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks? [/quote] Well your'e a*** must be pointing towards them ,get on with your work ,what is it you do in the cooncil[/quote] I'll try and keep this in simple terms for you. In my posts I oppose a wind turbine at Cathkin, so that's kind of [italic]anti-Council[/italic].
c-gull wrote:
Pete wrote: c-gull wrote: What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
Hmm, from my office I can see the turbines at Whitlees - spinning away quite happily despite the 'lack of wind'. Which is great. But can't just keep building them on god-forsaken bits of moorland rather than in Country Parks?
Well your'e a*** must be pointing towards them ,get on with your work ,what is it you do in the cooncil
I'll try and keep this in simple terms for you. In my posts I oppose a wind turbine at Cathkin, so that's kind of
anti-Council.
Posted by: pokermadmonkey, Glasgow on 2:40pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]GAW[/bold] wrote:
Renewable energy is a smoke screen. There is a small palce for it, but, ultimately, forward thinking, first world nations will inevitably have to turn to nuclear to guaranteed demand. Renewable energy is ridiculously uneconomic, and thus very expensive for consumers. France (a country never shy about putting its own interests first) uses all nuclear power. Their electricity bills are [bold]one quarter[/bold] what we pay. Ironically, at the same time as erecting these inefficient turbines, MPs are bleating on about fuel poverty. Such counter-productive actions, and utter stupidity, could only occur in Scotland/UK.[/quote] "one quarter" -- yeah but they pay 50% in taxes on their income. They have a warmer climate and a lot of there food produce is locally grown/sourced. In the UK we need to keep things warm and keep things cold so we will obviously use more fuel. Also we are an island .. we still buy fuel from russia and getting it to the UK which is an island is costly.
GAW wrote:
Renewable energy is a smoke screen. There is a small palce for it, but, ultimately, forward thinking, first world nations will inevitably have to turn to nuclear to guaranteed demand. Renewable energy is ridiculously uneconomic, and thus very expensive for consumers. France (a country never shy about putting its own interests first) uses all nuclear power. Their electricity bills are one quarter what we pay. Ironically, at the same time as erecting these inefficient turbines, MPs are bleating on about fuel poverty. Such counter-productive actions, and utter stupidity, could only occur in Scotland/UK.
"one quarter" -- yeah but they pay 50% in taxes on their income. They have a warmer climate and a lot of there food produce is locally grown/sourced. In the UK we need to keep things warm and keep things cold so we will obviously use more fuel. Also we are an island .. we still buy fuel from russia and getting it to the UK which is an island is costly.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 3:43pm Tue 2 Dec 08
RE : Posted by: pokermadmonkey, Glasgow on 2:40pm today.
Your commentary is irrelevant.
France has the very latest nuclear power stations producing cheap energy with managable waste. Climate,taxes,food have got nothing to do with the cost of electricity production.
If we had the latest nuclear power stations then we would not have to buy power from Russia.
Your post was totally stupid.
RE : Posted by: pokermadmonkey, Glasgow on 2:40pm today.
Your commentary is irrelevant.
France has the very latest nuclear power stations producing cheap energy with managable waste. Climate,taxes,food have got nothing to do with the cost of electricity production.
If we had the latest nuclear power stations then we would not have to buy power from Russia.
Your post was totally stupid.
Posted by: George Brown, glasgow on 3:49pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Has it ever occurred to the architects that if they point these windmill things in the wrong direction they might stop the world turning, maybe even make it start turning the other way roon, or if there is too many the world might spin a bit faster and we wid a' get flung aff
Has it ever occurred to the architects that if they point these windmill things in the wrong direction they might stop the world turning, maybe even make it start turning the other way roon, or if there is too many the world might spin a bit faster and we wid a' get flung aff
Posted by: George Brown, Glasgow on 3:55pm Tue 2 Dec 08
c-gull wrote:
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
BAKED BEANS,,! MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT
c-gull wrote:
What happens when we have a day like today, no wind ?
BAKED BEANS,,! MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT
Posted by: Harry, Glasgow on 4:00pm Tue 2 Dec 08
I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS & their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal & oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity & let them freeze.
I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS & their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal & oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity & let them freeze.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 4:05pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote:
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.
Riley wrote:
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:09pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.[/quote] Ah, the voice of experience.
The Wise One wrote:
Riley wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.
Ah, the voice of experience.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 4:13pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.[/quote] Ah, the voice of experience.[/quote] I think I recognise your voice. Olga, is that you?
Pete wrote:
The Wise One wrote: Riley wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
The only thing perverse is the car park where dogging takes place. I suppose all that huffing and puffing might keep the windmills turning on calm nights.
Ah, the voice of experience.
I think I recognise your voice. Olga, is that you?
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 4:14pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote:
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........
Riley wrote:
Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........
Posted by: Ronald Bird, Paisley on 4:15pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Has anybody thought where free "Wind Energy" comes from? Every Mw of power taken from the wind is taken from the rotational energy of the earth! The more wind Turbines that are built and deployed slow down the earth by a few micro/micro milliseconds. Yes we are stopping the earth, ok if we are facing the sun when it finally stops but if we are not, we will need more than a few wind turbines!!!
Has anybody thought where free "Wind Energy" comes from? Every Mw of power taken from the wind is taken from the rotational energy of the earth! The more wind Turbines that are built and deployed slow down the earth by a few micro/micro milliseconds. Yes we are stopping the earth, ok if we are facing the sun when it finally stops but if we are not, we will need more than a few wind turbines!!!
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 4:16pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........[/quote] They should build a dam round Govanhell and flood it. Another problem solved.
wild wadi wrote:
Riley wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........
They should build a dam round Govanhell and flood it. Another problem solved.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 4:21pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]The Wise One[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Riley[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.[/quote] I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........[/quote] They should build a dam round Govanhell and flood it. Another problem solved.[/quote] See, thats why they stopped building the dams cos it was drowning wildlife.
The Wise One wrote:
wild wadi wrote: Riley wrote: Seems to me that a high percentage of Scotland is moors,hills,mountain s etc so is there not a case for siting the turbines in areas well away from people.To put them in a country park next to a golf club does seem a bit perverse.
I think the idea is to have them as close to the consumer as possible to cut costs.Remember those Hydro Electric Dams, they put them away up in the mountains, miles away........
They should build a dam round Govanhell and flood it. Another problem solved.
See, thats why they stopped building the dams cos it was drowning wildlife.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:23pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Harry[/bold] wrote:
I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS & their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal & oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity & let them freeze.[/quote] I don't think it's really a nimby thing.
Golfers aside, it just seems wilfully stupid to build somthing this size in a country park that's well used by people and which sustains quite a lot of rare plants and wildlife.
I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home.
Harry wrote:
I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS & their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal & oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity & let them freeze.
I don't think it's really a nimby thing.
Golfers aside, it just seems wilfully stupid to build somthing this size in a country park that's well used by people and which sustains quite a lot of rare plants and wildlife.
I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home.
Posted by: The Wise One, Glasgow on 4:26pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Harry[/bold] wrote: I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS &amp; their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal &amp; oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity &amp; let them freeze.[/quote] I don't think it's really a nimby thing. Golfers aside, it just seems wilfully stupid to build somthing this size in a country park that's well used by people and which sustains quite a lot of rare plants and wildlife. I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home. [/quote] [quote]I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home.[/quote]
Are you saying you would like the car park nearer your home? Oh, you are awful, but I like you.
Pete wrote:
Harry wrote: I'm getting fed up with all the NIMBYS &amp; their spurious comments. They've been quite happy to use electricity from coal &amp; oil fired power stations situated mainly in urban conurbations. If they don't want windfarms then cut off their electricity &amp; let them freeze.
I don't think it's really a nimby thing. Golfers aside, it just seems wilfully stupid to build somthing this size in a country park that's well used by people and which sustains quite a lot of rare plants and wildlife. I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home.
I'm only a couple of miles from Cathkin Braes and go there a lot (but not in a 'Wise One' sense). I'd happily have it on a less important nearer my home.
Are you saying you would like the car park nearer your home? Oh, you are awful, but I like you.
Posted by: Mattfink, Castlemilk on 4:39pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Pity the Evening Times can't get its facts right in that the the planning permission, booked grid connection, and deal over stealth technology all belong to Castlemilk and Carmunnock Community Wind Park Trust (CCCWPT)which will fund local projects through the profits of the wind farm.
Also I believe that putting a wind farm as close to where the energy is required is the right way to go and far more environmentally sensitive than pylons or underground cables going right across Scotland.
The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.
It should also be noted that the proposed mountain bike course for the Commonwealth Games may cause far more physical change on Cathkin Braes than one turbine.
Pity the Evening Times can't get its facts right in that the the planning permission, booked grid connection, and deal over stealth technology all belong to Castlemilk and Carmunnock Community Wind Park Trust (CCCWPT)which will fund local projects through the profits of the wind farm.
Also I believe that putting a wind farm as close to where the energy is required is the right way to go and far more environmentally sensitive than pylons or underground cables going right across Scotland.
The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.
It should also be noted that the proposed mountain bike course for the Commonwealth Games may cause far more physical change on Cathkin Braes than one turbine.
Posted by: Riley, Dunoon on 4:51pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Aye,perverse.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 4:58pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[bold]Wind power does not provide base load.[/bold]
Now would all you thickies go and do some research.
In addition you should investigate and do a compare and contrast between old nuclear power stations and the latest technology.
Wind power does not provide base load.
Now would all you thickies go and do some research.
In addition you should investigate and do a compare and contrast between old nuclear power stations and the latest technology.
Posted by: Asturias, Glasgow on 5:01pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote]The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.[/quote]
So people in Castlemilk know what they are talking about when it comes to the latest developments in nuclear technology ?
Do me a favour !
The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.
So people in Castlemilk know what they are talking about when it comes to the latest developments in nuclear technology ?
Do me a favour !
Posted by: ruglenboy, south lanarkshire on 9:08pm Tue 2 Dec 08
Good deal for Glasgow punters,most of whom will benefit from this eyesore without having to look at it, unlike those in South Lanarkshire. If Glasgow city council are so keen to put these things in high places why don't they use one of the many high rise buildings they own?
Good deal for Glasgow punters,most of whom will benefit from this eyesore without having to look at it, unlike those in South Lanarkshire. If Glasgow city council are so keen to put these things in high places why don't they use one of the many high rise buildings they own?
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 9:49pm Tue 2 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Asturias[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.[/quote] So people in Castlemilk know what they are talking about when it comes to the latest developments in nuclear technology ? Do me a favour ![/quote] I know enough about the dangers of nuclear.
We have enough problems with the dangerous spent fuel.
I have mentioned this on other sites regards working in the nuclear industry.
I shall update the figures. Earlier in the year I mentioned that the office I was employed in had a total of 22 foremen and engineers, 1990. Then I mentioned 7 had died through different cancers by 1996. Well the update to present day that figure has tragically increased by another 3 old mates .. cancer .
These deaths occurred back 1997..
I'm a bit scared trying to get info on the others... I could be last man standing?
Stick nuclear, although much has still to be done by invention on the other methods that have been well documented. They say to get new nuclear power station built it will be around 2020+ before they would go on stream..
Well other methods with less danger will be up and running well before then.. Aye supplying parts of Scandanavia and Northern Europe as well.
Regards the Cathkin Braes Park..
Cathkin Braes Park has been going downhill (pun not intended) since 1945 .. This is now not a park . Lets get real here wildlife.?
Pathways of a few year ago are in disrepair, litter and yes littered also by broken buckfast bottles and empty cans.. Hi the last I looked in the Park Wardens House was about to collapse not used for many years.
I notice a poster mentions cycling tracks for the Commonwealth Games. Well as their installing the wind turbines maybe the people from the south of Glasgow (Castlemilk) will be able to use the slopes once again after the upgrade.
Enjoying the landscape and views.
I might have a more regular walk from Carmunnock to the park once the upgrade is completed..
Hi did the golfers ever complain about the tip. LOL. Or the original Glasgow Police radio mast.. My what a purr once came from it..
Asturias wrote:
The people in Castlemilk I've spoken to seem in favour of the wind park as long as the turbine(s)are sited sensitively.
So people in Castlemilk know what they are talking about when it comes to the latest developments in nuclear technology ? Do me a favour !
I know enough about the dangers of nuclear.
We have enough problems with the dangerous spent fuel.
I have mentioned this on other sites regards working in the nuclear industry.
I shall update the figures. Earlier in the year I mentioned that the office I was employed in had a total of 22 foremen and engineers, 1990. Then I mentioned 7 had died through different cancers by 1996. Well the update to present day that figure has tragically increased by another 3 old mates .. cancer .
These deaths occurred back 1997..
I'm a bit scared trying to get info on the others... I could be last man standing?
Stick nuclear, although much has still to be done by invention on the other methods that have been well documented. They say to get new nuclear power station built it will be around 2020+ before they would go on stream..
Well other methods with less danger will be up and running well before then.. Aye supplying parts of Scandanavia and Northern Europe as well.
Regards the Cathkin Braes Park..
Cathkin Braes Park has been going downhill (pun not intended) since 1945 .. This is now not a park . Lets get real here wildlife.?
Pathways of a few year ago are in disrepair, litter and yes littered also by broken buckfast bottles and empty cans.. Hi the last I looked in the Park Wardens House was about to collapse not used for many years.
I notice a poster mentions cycling tracks for the Commonwealth Games. Well as their installing the wind turbines maybe the people from the south of Glasgow (Castlemilk) will be able to use the slopes once again after the upgrade.
Enjoying the landscape and views.
I might have a more regular walk from Carmunnock to the park once the upgrade is completed..
Hi did the golfers ever complain about the tip. LOL. Or the original Glasgow Police radio mast.. My what a purr once came from it..
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 10:08pm Tue 2 Dec 08
South of France has a system from Toulouse to Perpignan and possibly elsewhere where out lying areas are fed from Windfarms.. SQ. miles of them installed in areas not unlike Eaglesham moor.. These windfarms can be backed by the grid although seldom has that been necessary.. France has nuclear I know that..
How can anyone forget that PM Broon's brother is a director of the UK, EMF.
It also has to be remembered France as a country is massive in area compared to Scotland.. France doesn't have the same scope as our country to generate from safer means
South of France has a system from Toulouse to Perpignan and possibly elsewhere where out lying areas are fed from Windfarms.. SQ. miles of them installed in areas not unlike Eaglesham moor.. These windfarms can be backed by the grid although seldom has that been necessary.. France has nuclear I know that..
How can anyone forget that PM Broon's brother is a director of the UK, EMF.
It also has to be remembered France as a country is massive in area compared to Scotland.. France doesn't have the same scope as our country to generate from safer means
Posted by: Titus a duxas, Ft.McMurray on 3:19am Wed 3 Dec 08
out of all the comments I have read here not one has thought of a resource that not just Scotland but the whole of the U.K. has in abundance that is wave power. they have them set up here to generate power for the Downtown area, ok it will not heat or power everyone's home but in combination with wind energy,wave,nuclear,
and I had to laff,dare I say it solar power I'm sure there is a few sunny spots in Scotland, nah just scrub that last one what was I thinking.oh and I forgot to mention the "structures" that generate the power is 6 ft below the surface. so that would keep the Greetin" faced mob happy.
out of all the comments I have read here not one has thought of a resource that not just Scotland but the whole of the U.K. has in abundance that is wave power. they have them set up here to generate power for the Downtown area, ok it will not heat or power everyone's home but in combination with wind energy,wave,nuclear,
and I had to laff,dare I say it solar power I'm sure there is a few sunny spots in Scotland, nah just scrub that last one what was I thinking.oh and I forgot to mention the "structures" that generate the power is 6 ft below the surface. so that would keep the Greetin" faced mob happy.
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