Posted by: FMJ, Glasgow on 11:07am Mon 8 Dec 08
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not.
Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not.
Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 11:16am Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote:
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop. [/quote] See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.
FMJ wrote:
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.
Posted by: AndrewM, Shawlands, Glasgow on 12:22pm Mon 8 Dec 08
I think this is great news. I've previously driven through to Edinburgh to catch the 5.50am service with colleagues to arrive in London for 10am. Some people forget that thousands of people travel to London not just to connect to other flights. Only problem I see is that it can still be alot more expensive to travel by train.
I think this is great news. I've previously driven through to Edinburgh to catch the 5.50am service with colleagues to arrive in London for 10am. Some people forget that thousands of people travel to London not just to connect to other flights. Only problem I see is that it can still be alot more expensive to travel by train.
Posted by: Brad on 12:29pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]AndrewM[/bold] wrote:
I think this is great news. I've previously driven through to Edinburgh to catch the 5.50am service with colleagues to arrive in London for 10am. Some people forget that thousands of people travel to London not just to connect to other flights. Only problem I see is that it can still be alot more expensive to travel by train.[/quote] Well, soon you'll be able to catch one from Glasgow at 04:30 (if you must).
When you factor in the costs of getting to/from airports, the train isn't so expensive. if you're flexible and book in advance it can be pretty cheap and even a walk-on, flexible return fare is just over £100.
AndrewM wrote:
I think this is great news. I've previously driven through to Edinburgh to catch the 5.50am service with colleagues to arrive in London for 10am. Some people forget that thousands of people travel to London not just to connect to other flights. Only problem I see is that it can still be alot more expensive to travel by train.
Well, soon you'll be able to catch one from Glasgow at 04:30 (if you must).
When you factor in the costs of getting to/from airports, the train isn't so expensive. if you're flexible and book in advance it can be pretty cheap and even a walk-on, flexible return fare is just over £100.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 12:40pm Mon 8 Dec 08
You have to laugh at the nonsense tehy speak.
First of all. the current route is old decrepit technology only good for a local network
the west coast and east coast line will still be 100MPH slower than the trains in France, germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Holland.
The price of a ticket will still be higher than all those countries
the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30. using a high speed netowrk you could leave Glasgow at 7 (same time as the plane) and arrive on time. using teh current netowrk you'll leave at 5.40am and arrive after 10 if it arrives on time.
The plane is still half the price of the train. the speed is still significantly slower than the high speed networks of Europe and the shuttle planes to London.
With all the talk of using Keynesian economics to get us out of recession, ie big tate planned works programs a high speed rail netowrk to the major cities in teh UK would seem an obvious choice to go for as it improves the country's infrastructure. No, Labour would rather spend it on trident replacement and a pathetic 2.5% cut on VAT which saved me a whole £2.34 at the weekend.
You have to laugh at the nonsense tehy speak.
First of all. the current route is old decrepit technology only good for a local network
the west coast and east coast line will still be 100MPH slower than the trains in France, germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Holland.
The price of a ticket will still be higher than all those countries
the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30. using a high speed netowrk you could leave Glasgow at 7 (same time as the plane) and arrive on time. using teh current netowrk you'll leave at 5.40am and arrive after 10 if it arrives on time.
The plane is still half the price of the train. the speed is still significantly slower than the high speed networks of Europe and the shuttle planes to London.
With all the talk of using Keynesian economics to get us out of recession, ie big tate planned works programs a high speed rail netowrk to the major cities in teh UK would seem an obvious choice to go for as it improves the country's infrastructure. No, Labour would rather spend it on trident replacement and a pathetic 2.5% cut on VAT which saved me a whole £2.34 at the weekend.
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 12:46pm Mon 8 Dec 08
brad, I travel to London for work a couple opf times a month. To get to london in time for a meeting I need to take the sleeper and then travel up the next day. The cost of this journey is £140 even when booked well in advance. I leave at 11.40pm and get back home at 9.30pm the following day. Or I can take the plane. tickets average around £50-£80 depending on when bought. a train ticket to london is £15 return and parking at glasgow airport £12. I leave the house at 6am for teh 7am to London and get home in my house by 5.30 - 6pm.
after trying the train it is unfortunatley a no-brainer to take the plane. Having used the high speed TGV a lot in Europe you find the business travellers would never consider using the plane for such a short journey (300 -400miles) as the train can do it in just over 2 and half hours.
The majority of flyers to London during the week are business travellers and until the train can get them there in time for meetings they will not switch to train travel even if they would like to
brad, I travel to London for work a couple opf times a month. To get to london in time for a meeting I need to take the sleeper and then travel up the next day. The cost of this journey is £140 even when booked well in advance. I leave at 11.40pm and get back home at 9.30pm the following day. Or I can take the plane. tickets average around £50-£80 depending on when bought. a train ticket to london is £15 return and parking at glasgow airport £12. I leave the house at 6am for teh 7am to London and get home in my house by 5.30 - 6pm.
after trying the train it is unfortunatley a no-brainer to take the plane. Having used the high speed TGV a lot in Europe you find the business travellers would never consider using the plane for such a short journey (300 -400miles) as the train can do it in just over 2 and half hours.
The majority of flyers to London during the week are business travellers and until the train can get them there in time for meetings they will not switch to train travel even if they would like to
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 12:49pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Eh?[/bold] wrote:
You have to laugh at the nonsense tehy speak. First of all. the current route is old decrepit technology only good for a local network the west coast and east coast line will still be 100MPH slower than the trains in France, germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Holland. The price of a ticket will still be higher than all those countries the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30. using a high speed netowrk you could leave Glasgow at 7 (same time as the plane) and arrive on time. using teh current netowrk you'll leave at 5.40am and arrive after 10 if it arrives on time. The plane is still half the price of the train. the speed is still significantly slower than the high speed networks of Europe and the shuttle planes to London. With all the talk of using Keynesian economics to get us out of recession, ie big tate planned works programs a high speed rail netowrk to the major cities in teh UK would seem an obvious choice to go for as it improves the country's infrastructure. No, Labour would rather spend it on trident replacement and a pathetic 2.5% cut on VAT which saved me a whole £2.34 at the weekend.[/quote] I'd rather see the government spendong the money on buying you a new keyboard and a spell-checker for your computer!! LOL!!
Eh? wrote:
You have to laugh at the nonsense tehy speak. First of all. the current route is old decrepit technology only good for a local network the west coast and east coast line will still be 100MPH slower than the trains in France, germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Holland. The price of a ticket will still be higher than all those countries the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30. using a high speed netowrk you could leave Glasgow at 7 (same time as the plane) and arrive on time. using teh current netowrk you'll leave at 5.40am and arrive after 10 if it arrives on time. The plane is still half the price of the train. the speed is still significantly slower than the high speed networks of Europe and the shuttle planes to London. With all the talk of using Keynesian economics to get us out of recession, ie big tate planned works programs a high speed rail netowrk to the major cities in teh UK would seem an obvious choice to go for as it improves the country's infrastructure. No, Labour would rather spend it on trident replacement and a pathetic 2.5% cut on VAT which saved me a whole £2.34 at the weekend.
I'd rather see the government spendong the money on buying you a new keyboard and a spell-checker for your computer!! LOL!!
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 12:50pm Mon 8 Dec 08
And of course, one for me too!!.. "spendong" indeed!!.. Of course, I meant SPENDING!! LOL!!
And of course, one for me too!!.. "spendong" indeed!!.. Of course, I meant SPENDING!! LOL!!
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 12:52pm Mon 8 Dec 08
To me this news will be irrelevant to the majority of most glaswegians. This news will be of benefit only to an affluent minority, like politicans and media monkeys who fiddel their travle expenses. but alas for the rest of us, using a train to travle to London is useles in the main. glaswegians are more concerned and bolshy about getting a city wide subway system. [bold]Sort it out MSP's, MP's and Transport Scotland please[/bold][/bold] .
To me this news will be irrelevant to the majority of most glaswegians. This news will be of benefit only to an affluent minority, like politicans and media monkeys who fiddel their travle expenses. but alas for the rest of us, using a train to travle to London is useles in the main. glaswegians are more concerned and bolshy about getting a city wide subway system. Sort it out MSP's, MP's and Transport Scotland please .
Posted by: secondcity, Glasgow on 12:54pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop. [/quote] See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.[/quote] All very well if you want to get to the Middle East or beyond, but not exactly the best option for getting to Lisbon or Helsinki.
Etihad don't fly from Scotland.
wild wadi wrote:
FMJ wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.
All very well if you want to get to the Middle East or beyond, but not exactly the best option for getting to Lisbon or Helsinki.
Etihad don't fly from Scotland.
Posted by: mollusc, Japan on 1:07pm Mon 8 Dec 08
i don't think this is relevent just to an 'affluent minority'. People shouldn't be so insular. Good connections are crucial for business in any city; better connections with London will surely make any local infrastructure improvements more likeley to be funded.
This is not some expensive roller-coaster for the the enjoyment of fatcats: it's a vital artery, supporting much of our local economy.
i don't think this is relevent just to an 'affluent minority'. People shouldn't be so insular. Good connections are crucial for business in any city; better connections with London will surely make any local infrastructure improvements more likeley to be funded.
This is not some expensive roller-coaster for the the enjoyment of fatcats: it's a vital artery, supporting much of our local economy.
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 1:15pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]secondcity[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop. [/quote] See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.[/quote] All very well if you want to get to the Middle East or beyond, but not exactly the best option for getting to Lisbon or Helsinki. Etihad don't fly from Scotland.[/quote] Etihad don't fly from Scotland but rumour has it, they're thinking about it. Then again rumour has it they'll merge with Emirates within 5 years. As for the direct international air routes from Scotland... Perhaps a potential sale of Glasgow will force the issue one way or another, perhaps things will also change when Boeing gets it's 'GLA sized' 787 plane into the air ?
As for railway improvements, why not and why shouldn't they be applauded. Not everyone travels to London on business and not everyone begins the journey at Glasgow. Yes a high speed line would make sense, at the moment that's something that realistically is only going to head south from London to connect with established links on the continent.
secondcity wrote:
wild wadi wrote: FMJ wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
See Emirates and Etihad. They fly direct. It only seems to be British airlines that are guilty of this.
All very well if you want to get to the Middle East or beyond, but not exactly the best option for getting to Lisbon or Helsinki. Etihad don't fly from Scotland.
Etihad don't fly from Scotland but rumour has it, they're thinking about it. Then again rumour has it they'll merge with Emirates within 5 years. As for the direct international air routes from Scotland... Perhaps a potential sale of Glasgow will force the issue one way or another, perhaps things will also change when Boeing gets it's 'GLA sized' 787 plane into the air ?
As for railway improvements, why not and why shouldn't they be applauded. Not everyone travels to London on business and not everyone begins the journey at Glasgow. Yes a high speed line would make sense, at the moment that's something that realistically is only going to head south from London to connect with established links on the continent.
Posted by: Brad on 2:19pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote]the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30.[/quote]
On the new timetable, the first Glasgow train into London will at 09:09, the next at 10:12. You can use these trains and return the same day for just over £100. Look it up.
It would be lovely to have a proper high-speed network, I agree. But the time it takes to plan these things means it isn't a solution to the current economic crisis.
the time to travel will still not allow busines travellers to take the train to London. Most business meetings start at 10 - 10.30.
On the new timetable, the first Glasgow train into London will at 09:09, the next at 10:12. You can use these trains and return the same day for just over £100. Look it up.
It would be lovely to have a proper high-speed network, I agree. But the time it takes to plan these things means it isn't a solution to the current economic crisis.
Posted by: Brad on 2:21pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote]This news will be of benefit only to an affluent minority, like politicans and media monkeys who fiddel their travle expenses[/quote] Meep, you are a cretin.
This news will be of benefit only to an affluent minority, like politicans and media monkeys who fiddel their travle expenses
Meep, you are a cretin.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:08pm Mon 8 Dec 08
High speed rail would be great, sure, but at a current estimated cost of around £30 to 40 billon and with a project time - even starting now - running past 2020 it's going to require long term buy-in from across the political and business spectrums, and with the understanding that overall financial and environmental benefits will only be realised in the long term.
But we'd be talking about city to city Glasgow - London in 3 hours with less than half the emissions of air travel.
High speed rail would be great, sure, but at a current estimated cost of around £30 to 40 billon and with a project time - even starting now - running past 2020 it's going to require long term buy-in from across the political and business spectrums, and with the understanding that overall financial and environmental benefits will only be realised in the long term.
But we'd be talking about city to city Glasgow - London in 3 hours with less than half the emissions of air travel.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 4:12pm Mon 8 Dec 08
And if high speed rail removed the need for so many internal flights, there would be no requirement for a heathrow runway three (at £12 billion) or another T5 (£4bn +)
And if high speed rail removed the need for so many internal flights, there would be no requirement for a heathrow runway three (at £12 billion) or another T5 (£4bn +)
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 4:14pm Mon 8 Dec 08
Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper.
I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper.
I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
Posted by: Brad on 4:51pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote]councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff[/quote] I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.
councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff
I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 5:03pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote]councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff[/quote] I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.[/quote] I'm pretty sure all councils give money to the SPTE and usualy this money is exempted from any cutbacks.
OK. Buses.
Brad wrote:
councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff
I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.
I'm pretty sure all councils give money to the SPTE and usualy this money is exempted from any cutbacks.
OK. Buses.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 5:18pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote]councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff[/quote] I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.[/quote] Try MOST routes Brad.
They actually come under the heading of "Tendered Routes".
All night shift buses are paid for as are most early morning buses.
The crazy thing about it? Even some over used buses are paid for by the councils.
Anyone remember the 19 GCT service? It ran from Castlemilk to Easterhouse, at least half full every run.
GCT was the tendering arm of SBL, and not as most assumed Glasgow City Transport. It actually stood for General Contracts and Tenders.
GCC gives Stagecoach and Firstbus millions every year.
Add that to all the millions from every council all over the UK and its no surprise OR coincindence that bus companies make millions profit per year.
You didn`t REALLY think that Car Tax and petrol tax etc is spent on roads did you?????
Its given to the Gloags and Souters etc of the world.
Brad wrote:
councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff
I'm not sure that Councils subsidise buses - I can't think of any in Glasgow.
Try MOST routes Brad.
They actually come under the heading of "Tendered Routes".
All night shift buses are paid for as are most early morning buses.
The crazy thing about it? Even some over used buses are paid for by the councils.
Anyone remember the 19 GCT service? It ran from Castlemilk to Easterhouse, at least half full every run.
GCT was the tendering arm of SBL, and not as most assumed Glasgow City Transport. It actually stood for General Contracts and Tenders.
GCC gives Stagecoach and Firstbus millions every year.
Add that to all the millions from every council all over the UK and its no surprise OR coincindence that bus companies make millions profit per year.
You didn`t REALLY think that Car Tax and petrol tax etc is spent on roads did you?????
Its given to the Gloags and Souters etc of the world.
Posted by: Brad on 5:37pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote]Try MOST routes Brad.[/quote] I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6.
Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.
Try MOST routes Brad.
I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6.
Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.
Posted by: secondcity, Glasgow on 6:28pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote:
Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.[/quote] I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow.
Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
wild wadi wrote:
Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow.
Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Posted by: Brad on 6:42pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote]Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.[/quote] Don't worry, it's not about buses either!
Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Don't worry, it's not about buses either!
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 7:14pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.[/quote] Don't worry, it's not about buses either![/quote] It isn't about the amount of money I pump into something I don't use either.
Brad wrote:
Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Don't worry, it's not about buses either!
It isn't about the amount of money I pump into something I don't use either.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 9:19pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Try MOST routes Brad.[/quote] I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6. Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.[/quote] First point Brad. GCT was part of SBL, which dates it WELL after that.
Second, there is a "legal" distinction between subsidised and tendered.
Subsidised means its partially funded.
Tendered means its wholly funded.
Brad wrote:
Try MOST routes Brad.
I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6. Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.
First point Brad. GCT was part of SBL, which dates it WELL after that.
Second, there is a "legal" distinction between subsidised and tendered.
Subsidised means its partially funded.
Tendered means its wholly funded.
Posted by: thistlemad, Ayrshire on 9:19pm Mon 8 Dec 08
PS I worked for both SBL and GCT in the `90s.
PS I worked for both SBL and GCT in the `90s.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 9:54pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]thistlemad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Brad[/bold] wrote: [quote]Try MOST routes Brad.[/quote] I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6. Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.[/quote] First point Brad. GCT was part of SBL, which dates it WELL after that. Second, there is a "legal" distinction between subsidised and tendered. Subsidised means its partially funded. Tendered means its wholly funded.[/quote] The fact is public transport wouldn't survive without a contribution from Local Authorities that is you and me.It is COSLA's way of getting the pensioner vote for Labour.That's why it's protected from cutbacks.
thistlemad wrote:
Brad wrote: Try MOST routes Brad.
I don't think that's true. Buses have been a deregulated market since 1985/6. Only around 6% of the registered bus mileage in the Strathclyde Area is subsidised - that's according to SPT.
First point Brad. GCT was part of SBL, which dates it WELL after that. Second, there is a "legal" distinction between subsidised and tendered. Subsidised means its partially funded. Tendered means its wholly funded.
The fact is public transport wouldn't survive without a contribution from Local Authorities that is you and me.It is COSLA's way of getting the pensioner vote for Labour.That's why it's protected from cutbacks.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 9:58pm Mon 8 Dec 08
[quote][bold]secondcity[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.[/quote] I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.[/quote] Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"
secondcity wrote:
wild wadi wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 2:31am Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]secondcity[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.[/quote] I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.[/quote] Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"[/quote] Emirates fly a Boeing 777-300 into Glasgow, one of the largest commercial airliners in the world just now and that's with passenger loads of around 85% on average and 7 days a week. They launched in 2004 and have described the Glasgow service as one of their most successful regional routes.
wild wadi wrote:
secondcity wrote: wild wadi wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"
Emirates fly a Boeing 777-300 into Glasgow, one of the largest commercial airliners in the world just now and that's with passenger loads of around 85% on average and 7 days a week. They launched in 2004 and have described the Glasgow service as one of their most successful regional routes.
Posted by: brian, Vancouver Canada on 6:34am Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote:
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop. [/quote] I cant even get a direct flight from Vancouver to Glasgow,every thing goes into London.
FMJ wrote:
We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
I cant even get a direct flight from Vancouver to Glasgow,every thing goes into London.
Posted by: brian, VANCOUVER CANADA on 6:39am Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote][bold]steven976[/bold] wrote:
And of course, one for me too!!.. "spendong" indeed!!.. Of course, I meant SPENDING!! LOL!![/quote] Well that one came back and bit you right in the ****.
steven976 wrote:
And of course, one for me too!!.. "spendong" indeed!!.. Of course, I meant SPENDING!! LOL!!
Well that one came back and bit you right in the ****.
Posted by: openmind, Glasgow on 8:21am Tue 9 Dec 08
Great news, although it's getting notoriously difficult these days to get the cheapest tickets on Virgin down to Euston these days, they are notorious for not releasing the £18 tickets on the very days I want to travel - so much so that I end up going down the East Coast on National Express instead.
Great news, although it's getting notoriously difficult these days to get the cheapest tickets on Virgin down to Euston these days, they are notorious for not releasing the £18 tickets on the very days I want to travel - so much so that I end up going down the East Coast on National Express instead.
Posted by: Brad on 11:57am Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote]COSLA's way of getting the pensioner vote for Labour[/quote] Free pensioner travel is a central government directive, not Councils.
What are SBL and GCT?
COSLA's way of getting the pensioner vote for Labour
Free pensioner travel is a central government directive, not Councils.
What are SBL and GCT?
Posted by: Brad on 12:21pm Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote]Try MOST routes Brad.[/quote] I'm not a world-expert on buses but I'm fairly confident on this one. There's been a recent debate about re-regulating Scotland's buses precisely because they aren't as you describe, e.g. tinyurl.com/68znr5; tinyurl.com/5dynve.
I'm also taking my info from recent discussions with policy people in SPT and Stagecoach.
If you can point to something on the web that says bus routes are tendered by Councils, that would be useful!
Try MOST routes Brad.
I'm not a world-expert on buses but I'm fairly confident on this one. There's been a recent debate about re-regulating Scotland's buses precisely because they aren't as you describe, e.g. tinyurl.com/68znr5; tinyurl.com/5dynve.
I'm also taking my info from recent discussions with policy people in SPT and Stagecoach.
If you can point to something on the web that says bus routes are tendered by Councils, that would be useful!
Posted by: Big Al, Paisley on 1:40pm Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote][bold]brian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FMJ[/bold] wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop. [/quote] I cant even get a direct flight from Vancouver to Glasgow,every thing goes into London.[/quote] You can fly direct to Glasgow from Vancouver with Fly Globespan and 'Canadian Affair' who use Air Transat and Thomas Cook Airlines to operate their flights. All of whom offer a better deal than Air Canada (via London) I gather...
brian wrote:
FMJ wrote: We don't need a better rail link to London - book a ticket out of a Scottish airport to just about anywhere and you'll get a free trip to the UK Capital thrown in, whether you want it or not. Improve direct international air connections and you'll boost cross-Border train use, tourism and the environment at one fell swoop.
I cant even get a direct flight from Vancouver to Glasgow,every thing goes into London.
You can fly direct to Glasgow from Vancouver with Fly Globespan and 'Canadian Affair' who use Air Transat and Thomas Cook Airlines to operate their flights. All of whom offer a better deal than Air Canada (via London) I gather...
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 3:55pm Tue 9 Dec 08
Fantoosh, lets all support Nuclear, how else does your train go.
Fantoosh, lets all support Nuclear, how else does your train go.
Posted by: wild wadi, kirkie on 4:18pm Tue 9 Dec 08
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]secondcity[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]wild wadi[/bold] wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.[/quote] I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.[/quote] Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"[/quote] Emirates fly a Boeing 777-300 into Glasgow, one of the largest commercial airliners in the world just now and that's with passenger loads of around 85% on average and 7 days a week. They launched in 2004 and have described the Glasgow service as one of their most successful regional routes.[/quote] Fair do's. It's just that I know someone who uses Emirates and she says the planes not normally busy. Maybe it's just the days that she flys.
Big Al wrote:
wild wadi wrote: secondcity wrote: wild wadi wrote: Sorry, Etihad don't fly from Scotland.I doubt if Emirates will soon be either as I've heard their planes are usually pretty empty.I fly KLM via Amsterdam although it takes a bit longer it's a lot cheaper. I think that all public transport will suffer in this recession as councils will have to choose between subsidising busses and trains or paying their staff.
I've heard otherwise about Emirates (i.e. that the flights are busy) - after all they increased the size of the aircraft they use from Glasgow. Sorry, I know this story isn't about air travel.
Yes I know Emirates is Airbus' biggest customer but I think we should "watch this space"
Emirates fly a Boeing 777-300 into Glasgow, one of the largest commercial airliners in the world just now and that's with passenger loads of around 85% on average and 7 days a week. They launched in 2004 and have described the Glasgow service as one of their most successful regional routes.
Fair do's. It's just that I know someone who uses Emirates and she says the planes not normally busy. Maybe it's just the days that she flys.
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