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Glasgow Airport boost as BAA sale targets capital
 
BAA has been told to sell off Edinburgh Airport and concentrate its energies on improvements at Glasgow
BAA has been told to sell off Edinburgh Airport and concentrate its energies on improvements at Glasgow
 

by Jonathan Paisley

THE long-term future of Glasgow Airport was secured today after owners BAA Scotland were ordered to sell Edinburgh Airport.

Regulators will force the sale of the capital's gateway instead of Glasgow in a bid to increase competition in Scotland.

The Competition Commission also wants BAA to dispose of Gatwick and Stansted as it tries to loosen the Spanish firm's market stranglehold.

The findings are included in a provisional report by the watchdog released this morning.

BAA, which has been under fire for months for poor performance, runs seven UK airports, including Heathrow.

Christopher Clarke, chairman of the commission's inquiry, said separate ownership of the two main Scottish airports would benefit millions of passengers.

He said: "Under the common ownership of BAA, there is no competition.

"Under separate ownership, the airport operators, including BAA, will have a much greater incentive to be far more responsive to their customers, both airlines and passengers."

Tom Dalrymple, chairman of Scotland's leading airline flyglobespan today welcomed the ruling.

He said: "There is no doubt an element of competition had to be introduced.

"A BAA-owned Glasgow Airport, working constantly to ensure its facilities and services are at the highest level to compete effectively against its Scottish rivals would be an ideal working partner not just for this airline - but for every carrier.

"And the long-term winner would be the Glasgow traveller."

Derek MacKay, leader of Renfrewshire Council, said: "We welcome the stability that this news brings.

"BAA Scotland has drafted ambitious plans for Glasgow and they can now see them through."

Edinburgh Airport was Scotland's busiest with 886,027 passengers, down 1%, in the 12 months to August.

Glasgow handled 824,052 passengers, a drop of 5.2% on the previous period.

But the airport has secured 171 new flights to Spain and Portugal for next summer and is set to close the gap.

Latest passenger figures for last month show at Scotland's three main airports dropped by 11.5%.

Glasgow Airport was hardest hit, with a fall of 15.6%, while Edinburgh dropped 7.8%.

The CC will now consider responses to its provisional decision document published today.

It expects to publish its final report on BAA's seven UK airports, and the appropriate remedies, by late February or early March 2009.

BAA chief executive Colin Matthews said the CC had not provided "any substantial evidence to support its view that Edinburgh and Glasgow would compete under separate ownership.

"We believe there is no justification for specifying which of these airports should be sold. We will continue to make our case."

After a CC report in August, BAA said it was to sell Gatwick anyway.

Publication date 17/12/08

Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:01am Wed 17 Dec 08
HEY HO.
Posted by: iscozzese, Glasgow on 11:25am Wed 17 Dec 08
Was about time
Posted by: Steve L, Cambuslang on 11:49am Wed 17 Dec 08
They'll probably appeal. I'm sure BAA would much rather have kept Edinburgh, and probably the main reason that EDI is going up for sale is that it will be more appealing to a prospective suitor.
Posted by: secondcity, Glasgow on 12:01pm Wed 17 Dec 08
If Edinburgh Airport is sold, its new owner will want to do everything to secure new routes - many of these at the expense of Glasgow Airport. BAA Scotland must shake itself out of the current apathy that has seen very little route development at Glasgow over the last four years and make sure that Glasgow Airport can compete effectively with Edinburgh Airport.
Posted by: doug, glasgow on 12:02pm Wed 17 Dec 08
The argument to keep glasgow has allways been stonger in my opinion.
1) there are no major site's around glasgow to hold it back from growing where as in edinburgh there is the show ground.
2)glasgow is getting a rail link edinburgh is not
3)glasgow has more event's over the year and will have more ie, concerts, football game's and not frogeting the commonwealth games.
Posted by: Southside, Giffnock on 12:32pm Wed 17 Dec 08
I look forward to more connections through Heathrow as a result.

No wait..... I don't.

IF you actually read the report they recommend that Edinburgh is sold. However BAA have the option of either Glasgow or Edinburgh still.

It is not in Glasgow's interest to be owned by BAA.
Posted by: openmind, Glasgow on 12:32pm Wed 17 Dec 08
doug wrote:
The argument to keep glasgow has allways been stonger in my opinion. 1) there are no major site's around glasgow to hold it back from growing where as in edinburgh there is the show ground. 2)glasgow is getting a rail link edinburgh is not 3)glasgow has more event's over the year and will have more ie, concerts, football game's and not frogeting the commonwealth games.
Aye well...yes and no really. The weakness is always that Glasgow Airport is on thw "wrong" side of the city. The problem is you've got the Clyde to the north and the M8 to the south, and there isn't really anywhere you can shoehorn in another runway that I can see. I'm sure that the people of Linwood and Clydebank will start complaining even more about noise if more planes are brought in over their heads.

On the other hand GARL is going to make a big difference, as is the completion of the M74, and I was glad to see that Shotts Line electrification is part of Transport Scotland's big plan which would open the airport to direct services from Edinburgh, but the lack of Crossrail is still a major omission.
Posted by: doug, glasgow on 12:51pm Wed 17 Dec 08
Southside wrote:
I look forward to more connections through Heathrow as a result. No wait..... I don't. IF you actually read the report they recommend that Edinburgh is sold. However BAA have the option of either Glasgow or Edinburgh still. It is not in Glasgow's interest to be owned by BAA.
NO the report say's that the cc "remains open for further view's".
in the what? year and a half that this review has been going they must have herd most of he view's.
and whats to say there will be more connections through london? have ba not cut flights ad both glasgow and edinburgh?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 12:56pm Wed 17 Dec 08
openmind wrote:
doug wrote: The argument to keep glasgow has allways been stonger in my opinion. 1) there are no major site's around glasgow to hold it back from growing where as in edinburgh there is the show ground. 2)glasgow is getting a rail link edinburgh is not 3)glasgow has more event's over the year and will have more ie, concerts, football game's and not frogeting the commonwealth games.
Aye well...yes and no really. The weakness is always that Glasgow Airport is on thw "wrong" side of the city. The problem is you've got the Clyde to the north and the M8 to the south, and there isn't really anywhere you can shoehorn in another runway that I can see. I'm sure that the people of Linwood and Clydebank will start complaining even more about noise if more planes are brought in over their heads. On the other hand GARL is going to make a big difference, as is the completion of the M74, and I was glad to see that Shotts Line electrification is part of Transport Scotland's big plan which would open the airport to direct services from Edinburgh, but the lack of Crossrail is still a major omission.
On the other hand GARL is going to make a big difference, as is the completion of the M74, and I was glad to see that Shotts Line electrification is part of Transport Scotland's big plan which would open the airport to direct services from Edinburgh, but the lack of Crossrail is still a major omission.

Top point!
Posted by: c-gull, the west coast on 1:28pm Wed 17 Dec 08
Southside wrote:
I look forward to more connections through Heathrow as a result. No wait..... I don't. IF you actually read the report they recommend that Edinburgh is sold. However BAA have the option of either Glasgow or Edinburgh still. It is not in Glasgow's interest to be owned by BAA.
Yes the Baa have the option of EITHER Glasgow or Edinburgh ( I wish the clown who wrote this would report on all the facts )ask the MD of Edinburgh who was the MD of Glasgow a few months ago which one will be sold .
Posted by: Foxy, Brigadoon on 2:03pm Wed 17 Dec 08
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Folk will chose the most convenient and accessible airport and no amount of political transport fixes will prevent it. BAA would do well to get some of these exclusive Glasgow routes into Edinburgh as soon as possible if they are to keep it's Scottish Crown Jewels. This BBC interview with former 'Team Glasgow' MD Donald Dewar didn't sound very convincing.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/7787
193.stm
Posted by: lord haw haw, high court on 2:48pm Wed 17 Dec 08
""""But the airport has secured 171 new flights to Spain and Portugal for next summer and is set to close the gap""""" get real the winner will be the one who leaves BAA no doubt about it,it,s easy to attract airlines cut the extortionate landing fees and as one poster put it c-gull why did they swap MD,S a few months back?i just hope the prices come down and if they don't i will just use good old ryanair never had a problem with them just don't check in bags take your own grub check in online now up to 14 days prior and ave never had any big delays and i have flew to nearly all their destinations.The reason there not at Glasgow is landing fees but somehow Edinburgh got a deal done with them anybody know why?
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 2:55pm Wed 17 Dec 08
Globespan has just announced another new route from Glasgow, to Halifax Nova Scotia in Canada.
Glasgow Airport will continue to prosper under BAA ownership. The new skyhub extension,just opened, is magnificent.
Posted by: Brad on 3:26pm Wed 17 Dec 08
That they are split is more important than which one BAA hold onto, I think.
Posted by: doug, glasgow on 4:12pm Wed 17 Dec 08
openmind wrote:
doug wrote: The argument to keep glasgow has allways been stonger in my opinion. 1) there are no major site's around glasgow to hold it back from growing where as in edinburgh there is the show ground. 2)glasgow is getting a rail link edinburgh is not 3)glasgow has more event's over the year and will have more ie, concerts, football game's and not frogeting the commonwealth games.
Aye well...yes and no really. The weakness is always that Glasgow Airport is on thw "wrong" side of the city. The problem is you've got the Clyde to the north and the M8 to the south, and there isn't really anywhere you can shoehorn in another runway that I can see. I'm sure that the people of Linwood and Clydebank will start complaining even more about noise if more planes are brought in over their heads. On the other hand GARL is going to make a big difference, as is the completion of the M74, and I was glad to see that Shotts Line electrification is part of Transport Scotland's big plan which would open the airport to direct services from Edinburgh, but the lack of Crossrail is still a major omission.
very true, but if you look at the airports master plan the 2 perimeter road's would be moved (the airport bought the land next to the white cart 5-6 years ago) at the far side there is a farm and a few other buildings that could be moved.
molehillmountain: folk like you aint worth getting involved in a slanging match with
Posted by: openmind, Glasgow on 4:36pm Wed 17 Dec 08
doug wrote:
openmind wrote:
doug wrote: The argument to keep glasgow has allways been stonger in my opinion. 1) there are no major site's around glasgow to hold it back from growing where as in edinburgh there is the show ground. 2)glasgow is getting a rail link edinburgh is not 3)glasgow has more event's over the year and will have more ie, concerts, football game's and not frogeting the commonwealth games.
Aye well...yes and no really. The weakness is always that Glasgow Airport is on thw "wrong" side of the city. The problem is you've got the Clyde to the north and the M8 to the south, and there isn't really anywhere you can shoehorn in another runway that I can see. I'm sure that the people of Linwood and Clydebank will start complaining even more about noise if more planes are brought in over their heads. On the other hand GARL is going to make a big difference, as is the completion of the M74, and I was glad to see that Shotts Line electrification is part of Transport Scotland's big plan which would open the airport to direct services from Edinburgh, but the lack of Crossrail is still a major omission.
very true, but if you look at the airports master plan the 2 perimeter road's would be moved (the airport bought the land next to the white cart 5-6 years ago) at the far side there is a farm and a few other buildings that could be moved. molehillmountain: folk like you aint worth getting involved in a slanging match with
Yeah doug - the slanging matches......seems like the loss of the dear Mr. Meriwether hasn't stopped them. Unfortunately there were a few others that managed to escape the sin bin and are still polluting these message threads with their drivel.

Anyway rant over - back to the airport - the thing that would have swung it I think is Prestwick hitting hard times (triggered probably by Ryanair moving to Glasgow - unlikely if BAA remains the owner) and all the low cost traffic came to GLA - then I think you would see serious money being spent.
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:51pm Wed 17 Dec 08
It doesn't really matter which airport is sold off, in so long as there is a "status quo" on operators and routes. It's time the Edinburgh and Glasgow Chambers of Commerce sat down with the airport operators to discuss where new routes would be mutually viable to their economic benefit. For instance, do you really think that the twice-weekly flights from Glasgow to Pakistan will increase to a 3, 4, 5, or even daily schedule? Same with Emirates to Dubai. Likewise, flights from Edinburgh. As it currently stands, both airports (and I suppose Aberdeen too) are "feeder" airports for Heathrow and Gatwick, with transatlantic /trans-global flights merely being the "cherry on top". Remember, United Airlines ceased operating out of Glasgow International because (in their words) the route was economically unviable. In other words, they were hoping to see more bums in premium seats, instead of economy. Ask yourself this, if your employer has to travel overseas on behalf of the company, and wants to fly business class, where will he find the cheaper business class seat? Where is he more likely to get a flight that fits in with his business schedule? From an express operator's (TNT, DHL, etc) point of view, using LHR and LGW as their hub makes more sense, as both the outbound and arrival times facilitate their delivery schedules better. What time, for instance, does the EK flight arrive in Dubai from Glasgow?.. And when does the EK flight arrive from LHR? If I fly from GLA, I lose half a day's business time in Dubai, whereas from LHR, I get at least an extra 3 hours to conduct my business! No-brainer!!
Posted by: steven976, Feltham, Middx on 4:51pm Wed 17 Dec 08
It doesn't really matter which airport is sold off, in so long as there is a "status quo" on operators and routes. It's time the Edinburgh and Glasgow Chambers of Commerce sat down with the airport operators to discuss where new routes would be mutually viable to their economic benefit. For instance, do you really think that the twice-weekly flights from Glasgow to Pakistan will increase to a 3, 4, 5, or even daily schedule? Same with Emirates to Dubai. Likewise, flights from Edinburgh. As it currently stands, both airports (and I suppose Aberdeen too) are "feeder" airports for Heathrow and Gatwick, with transatlantic /trans-global flights merely being the "cherry on top". Remember, United Airlines ceased operating out of Glasgow International because (in their words) the route was economically unviable. In other words, they were hoping to see more bums in premium seats, instead of economy. Ask yourself this, if your employer has to travel overseas on behalf of the company, and wants to fly business class, where will he find the cheaper business class seat? Where is he more likely to get a flight that fits in with his business schedule? From an express operator's (TNT, DHL, etc) point of view, using LHR and LGW as their hub makes more sense, as both the outbound and arrival times facilitate their delivery schedules better. What time, for instance, does the EK flight arrive in Dubai from Glasgow?.. And when does the EK flight arrive from LHR? If I fly from GLA, I lose half a day's business time in Dubai, whereas from LHR, I get at least an extra 3 hours to conduct my business! No-brainer!!
Posted by: molehillmountain, Edinburgh on 4:58pm Wed 17 Dec 08
The crazy thing is that I happen to love my "sister city"Dont think by me slagging it off that I hate Glasgow...anything but.I wish for it to prosper big time.I just dont want it ruined by the likes of the labour party wierdos that murder your fine city
Posted by: Edward, Glasgow on 4:59pm Wed 17 Dec 08
Foxy wrote:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Folk will chose the most convenient and accessible airport and no amount of political transport fixes will prevent it. BAA would do well to get some of these exclusive Glasgow routes into Edinburgh as soon as possible if they are to keep it's Scottish Crown Jewels. This BBC interview with former 'Team Glasgow' MD Donald Dewar didn't sound very convincing.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/7787
193.stm
O'Leary seems able to lead horses from as far afield as Aberdeen to drink at Prestwick which is hardly "the most convenient and accessible" of airports. Surely, if BAA are to be forced to dispose of Edinburgh, then the logic would be that they transfer now their exclusive Edinburgh routes to Glasgow to 'preserve the jewels'.
Posted by: Murraymint, Kilbarchan on 5:12pm Wed 17 Dec 08
lord haw haw wrote:
""""But the airport has secured 171 new flights to Spain and Portugal for next summer and is set to close the gap""""" get real the winner will be the one who leaves BAA no doubt about it,it,s easy to attract airlines cut the extortionate landing fees and as one poster put it c-gull why did they swap MD,S a few months back?i just hope the prices come down and if they don't i will just use good old ryanair never had a problem with them just don't check in bags take your own grub check in online now up to 14 days prior and ave never had any big delays and i have flew to nearly all their destinations.The reason there not at Glasgow is landing fees but somehow Edinburgh got a deal done with them anybody know why?
Ryanair certainly isn't as good as you seem to think. I booked a return flight to Majorca in February, plus £39.50 for parking at Edinburgh Airport, incidentally, also booked through the Ryanair website, only to find a few weeks later that Ryanair had cancelled all flights to Majorca until mid March. No reason was given, but a refund was to be made to my credit card for the costs of the flights, but no mention was made of the airport parking charges. I pointed out to Ryanair that as the parking was arranged through their webssite, and the car parking company do not issue refunds under any circumstances, I maintained it was incumbent on Ryanair to reimburse me. So far the silence has been deafening. I am only glad that I hadn't booked a hotel, because goodness knows what would have happened about trying to get a refund.

This is only one instance of Ryanair riding roughshod over passengers interests recently, as they have cancelled flights to numerous other destinations as well, sometimes blaming the local airport,local authorities, or tourist boards, but of course it's never Ryanair's fault.

Another little scam they've come up with is in relation to paying by credit card. The charge of £4 is not based on the one transaction, but on the number of flights, multiplied by the number of passengers, so that four people on a return flight basis would be charged £32. This is nothing short of sharp practice, and should be illlegal.

Is it any wonder that Ryanair are frequently criticised on BBC's Watchdog programme?
Posted by: lord haw haw, high court on 6:19pm Wed 17 Dec 08
Murraymint wrote:
lord haw haw wrote: """"But the airport has secured 171 new flights to Spain and Portugal for next summer and is set to close the gap""""" get real the winner will be the one who leaves BAA no doubt about it,it,s easy to attract airlines cut the extortionate landing fees and as one poster put it c-gull why did they swap MD,S a few months back?i just hope the prices come down and if they don't i will just use good old ryanair never had a problem with them just don't check in bags take your own grub check in online now up to 14 days prior and ave never had any big delays and i have flew to nearly all their destinations.The reason there not at Glasgow is landing fees but somehow Edinburgh got a deal done with them anybody know why?
Ryanair certainly isn't as good as you seem to think. I booked a return flight to Majorca in February, plus £39.50 for parking at Edinburgh Airport, incidentally, also booked through the Ryanair website, only to find a few weeks later that Ryanair had cancelled all flights to Majorca until mid March. No reason was given, but a refund was to be made to my credit card for the costs of the flights, but no mention was made of the airport parking charges. I pointed out to Ryanair that as the parking was arranged through their webssite, and the car parking company do not issue refunds under any circumstances, I maintained it was incumbent on Ryanair to reimburse me. So far the silence has been deafening. I am only glad that I hadn't booked a hotel, because goodness knows what would have happened about trying to get a refund. This is only one instance of Ryanair riding roughshod over passengers interests recently, as they have cancelled flights to numerous other destinations as well, sometimes blaming the local airport,local authorities, or tourist boards, but of course it's never Ryanair's fault. Another little scam they've come up with is in relation to paying by credit card. The charge of £4 is not based on the one transaction, but on the number of flights, multiplied by the number of passengers, so that four people on a return flight basis would be charged £32. This is nothing short of sharp practice, and should be illlegal. Is it any wonder that Ryanair are frequently criticised on BBC's Watchdog programme?
That was a one off hickup if my memory serves me right,maybe even a BAA problem on your other points,tell me the airlines that return your car parking charges?????????on the credit card scam i totally agree,get yourself a visa electron card from HBOSand you dont get charged any fees,how much did you pay for your flight anyway????we all get a bad service at sometime but as i say until i got the visa electron i have never had any problems and for some of the prices theres not alot to complain about,all the charters out of glasgow have the worst records for service delays and the famous missing reps so get online and get your electron you,ll be never out the sky
Posted by: lord haw haw, high court on 6:25pm Wed 17 Dec 08
And car park 7 at prestwick is half the price of rip off edinburgh and glasgow
Posted by: Southside, Giffnock on 1:31pm Thu 18 Dec 08
Doug -

You may have failed to realise (if you use the airport which I do), that Glasgow Airport is a feeder airport for Heathrow.

Heathrow is owned by BAA.

2+2 = 4 do you know what i'm saying?

BAA do not champion any direct flights out of Scotland. Instead the encourage the rapid and unneccesary expansion of Heathrow.
Posted by: doug, glasgow on 9:04pm Thu 18 Dec 08
Southside wrote:
Doug - You may have failed to realise (if you use the airport which I do), that Glasgow Airport is a feeder airport for Heathrow. Heathrow is owned by BAA. 2+2 = 4 do you know what i'm saying? BAA do not champion any direct flights out of Scotland. Instead the encourage the rapid and unneccesary expansion of Heathrow.
oh yeah like your the only person that uses the airport.
sad folk like you would never be happy no matter who owned the airport.
so the airport get's bought over a cheap and nasty airline like ryanair move in (and we have seen the state of prestwick) we get cheap flight's, in return airlines pay penny's and get run down to look like a bigger version of prestwick then you would complain that the place looks run down and unkept, yeah and like the baa have a great say in who fly's where, granted they could do a bit better at getting new route's but with moaning git's like you why bother.
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