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Posted by: dan, West end on 5:00pm Thu 5 Jun 08 I am all for providing children with a safe and healthy environment and I agree with this proposal but what I do not agree with is the all intrusive manner in which society has allowed officialdom in all shapes and forms to creep in and make decisions for adults who previously managed quite well without the help of these people. Posted by: heidtheba2001, USA mostly, but sometimes Glasgow on 7:27pm Thu 5 Jun 08 I think you're missing the point in your rant against "officialdom". All that's going to happen here is that it will quickly become apparent that there are some people whose desire to smoke is greater than their desire to adopt a child.... Clearly this legislation will allow everyone to walk away happy because the would-be-parents can keep smoking (their first choice) and the children will be placed in a healthier environment (I note that although you decry the lack of evidence that passive smoking is unhealthy for children you do not provide any "evidence" of your own to the contrary !). It's easy to be a critic when you don't have to live with the consequences of your actions and you apparently don't even have to have a better solution to the problem in order to have a moan in the paper. Posted by: Belinda Cunnison, Edinburgh on 10:34pm Thu 5 Jun 08 Sam Clarke makes a very good point that has been overlooked by both previous posters: passive smoking may be a risk but there is no evidence that it is a greater risk than diesel fumes, other contiminants in the air and a thousand other risks or dangers that kids come across every day of their lives. I know of smokers who have been excellent parents: I know non-smokers that have been lousy ones. Whether you smoke or not has zero relevance to parenting skills or commitment, except in the mind of the severely prejudiced. Posted by: DaveA100, London on 9:02am Fri 6 Jun 08 To all you nannies and bullies out there I am afraid science is against you. Most studies show that children are at worst at no risk from a cancer and heart desease perspective. Also the World Health Organization's 1998 report into pasive smoking showed that children are at a reduced risk of cancer by a factor 22%. Also in February this year a report was published into passive smoking and asthma, I will not steal its thunder. "MedWire News: Parental smoking during childhood and personal cigarette smoking in teenage and early adult life lowers the risk for allergic sensitization in those with a family history of atopy, according to the results of a study from New Zealand." And "They conclude: "The harmful effects of cigarette smoke are well known, and there are many reasons to avoid it. "Our findings suggest that preventing allergic sensitization is not one of them." http://www.medwire-n ews.md/48/72330/Resp iratory/Smoking_link ed_to_reduced_allerg ic_sensitization_.ht ml Posted by: chas on 10:19am Fri 6 Jun 08 New Zealand is probably the most anti-smoking country in the world and yet a report came out of New Zealand said that a bit of cigarette smoke is good for a child's immune system. Children's immune systems are poor today because we are too clean. Posted by: Mcgraw, Corby on 10:22am Fri 6 Jun 08 The really scary thing about this viscous legislation is that if it is not stopped does that mean in the future children of people who smoke will be put into council care or monitered by Social Services. Very scary I feel that smokers are being De-Humanised here. And we all know what that leads to. Posted by: Johnny B, Channel Isles on 10:31am Fri 6 Jun 08 Very sound and sensible article and right to question the 'science' behind this anti-smoking politcal agenda. The 2 largest studies in the world have both shown there's no danger to passive smoking or to children from parental smoking. I fact these 2 large studies show only 1 result, that children for some reason show INCREASED immunity from disease from parental smoking (don't ask me why!). The Unitied Nations WHO 1998 study showed no risk to spouses or co-workers from passive smoking and reduced risk to children of smokers. A 2nd study, the longest health study every conducted, a 39-year analysis of over 35,000 Californians published in 2003 found no connection between passive smoking and mortality. These 2 big (statistically significant) studies are consistently ignored by the worlds health organisations in favour of cherry picking smaller studies. The politicisation of health is not only unethical, it is a bigger danger to public health than smoking itself. Posted by: Lyn, Worcester on 12:26pm Fri 6 Jun 08 And the oldest man in Britain celebrates his 112th birthday today and he puts his longevity down to Cigarettes, Drink and Wild Women! If first hand smoke, and by necessity, second hand smoke, has kept him going for this long, then how can it possible be as dangerous as the government and medics would want us to believe? It is about time people started to open their eyes and see the FACTS that are staring them in the face and stop hearing the propoganda being spouted by parties with interests in big pharma! None of this propoganda would stand up in a court of law as it is so full of holes a string vest would have trouble competing! Posted by: chas, suffolk on 1:47pm Fri 6 Jun 08 Lyn The oldest known person was French and she lived until she was 121 years old. She must have been some kind of wild woman as she smoked and drank for most of her life. Posted by: David from New Mills, U.K. on 1:00pm Sat 7 Jun 08 Lyn, Worcester on 12:26pm Fri 6 Jun 08. As Henry made the remark with, reportedly, "a wicked smile", perhaps it was more wishful thinking, or boy's boasting. Anyway, good luck to the old boy. Posted by: David from New Mills, U.K. on 1:54pm Sat 7 Jun 08 chas on 10:19am Fri 6 Jun 08. A bit of dirt is probably beneficial to build up the body's immune system. I'll be happy to have the bit of dirt, bathe afterwards, and avoid the tobacco fumes. Posted by: jim lawler, lanarkshire on 2:30pm Sat 7 Jun 08 these paranoiac anti smoking crusaders who are content to see dying patients being wheeled off the grounds of hospitals while tubed up to find the comfort a cigarette may bring them have the audacity to claim its for the betterment of the patients health,what rot, a facility could be established in an isolated spot,but no the zealots among us insist on forcing the ill thought out blanket smoking ban shame on the lot of them Posted by: David from New Mills, U.K. on 8:37pm Sat 7 Jun 08 Belinda Cunnison, Edinburgh on 10:34pm Thu 5 Jun 08. My own chidhood memories are a lot closer to Sam Clarke's imaginary "Shangri-Lanarkshire ", than to-day's sad world where boorish, selfish, loutish behaviour is regarded as some kind of norm. That besides, I am eternally grateful to my non-smoking parents for not setting an example that might have led me down the path of tobacco addiction. Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:10pm Mon 9 Jun 08 one patient i watched coming from the operateing theatre, still groggy, asked for her cigarettes...she had been operated on a diseased lung,! luckily she had no young children, who would have taken care of them?educated scientists and specialists will advise any one that smoking ciggies KILLS..... ok, aunty smoked untill she was 89 years old,( one of the lucky ones), what chance does a young baby have of escaping cigarette smoke?.....the price alone would put me off buying these cancer sticks.
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