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Glasgow wants ban on men buying sex
 

by Chris Musson

GLASGOW city leaders want Scotland to introduce some of the world's strictest prostitution laws.

Council chiefs today launched a campaign urging the Scottish Government to turn the spotlight on punters by introducing legislation banning the "purchase of sex".

Street prostitution is already illegal and new laws introduced last year targeted men by making kerb crawling and loitering for prostitution a crime.

But Glasgow City Council says brothels are still not adequately covered by legislation as it's not illegal to visit a prostitute and pay for sex.

Deputy council leader Jim Coleman says the solution is to bring in an across-the-board ban on paying for sex.

A similar system has been in place in Sweden since 1999 and is said to have led to huge falls in prostitution. This approach has also now been adopted by neighbouring Norway.

A delegation of Swedish law enforcement officials was in Glasgow yesterday to explain how similar legislation might work here.

They met with Mr Coleman and officials and volunteers who work in support services for prostitution, trafficking and addiction.

Mr Coleman says the council will now try to pull in support from as many different bodies as possible and lobby the Scottish Government.

He said: "A new law would send a clear message to men that it is wrong to buy sex.

"It would also directly target brothels."

Mr Coleman said the laws which came into force last October and outlawed kerb crawlers, was a step in the right direction.

He said: "For the first time we have a law that targets the men who fuel the demand for prostitution.

"There can be no question that prostitution is exploitative and abusive of the women involved."

The Swedish move was based on the premise that prostitution should be regarded as an aspect of male violence against women.

Jonas Trolle, a detective inspector in Stockholm, one of the delegation in Glasgow, said: "There has been a big acceptance of the legislation ... as a society we do not accept the use of prostitutes.

"That's what legislation is for. It's not to get convictions, it is for people to understand what is acceptable."

Gunilla Ekberg, a former Swedish government advisor on prostitution, added: "The work already under way in Glasgow is very impressive.

"There is a lot of cohesion between the key agencies this is absolutely essential if you want to take this further."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "Scottish law is quite clear that it is a criminal offence to exploit the prostitution of others.

"It is a criminal offence to own, manage or assist in the management of a brothel. Likewise, it is a criminal offence to live off the earnings of the prostitution of another.

"We are also closely monitoring the outcome of the UK Government's review of this area."

Publication date 13/03/08

Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 11:00am Thu 13 Mar 08
Does Jim Coleman have nothing better to do with his life than harass men and women going about their lives *as they see fit*? Who on earth is he to decide what is and what isn't acceptable? Has God died or something?
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 11:09am Thu 13 Mar 08
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
Does Jim Coleman have nothing better to do with his life than harass men and women going about their lives *as they see fit*? Who on earth is he to decide what is and what isn't acceptable? Has God died or something?
Naa, he maybe wants people to visit Amsterdam instead, that way, the punters are safe from mad herrys oot thur faces oan the smack and they get tae see nice burds wi a full set ah teeth mate! ;-)
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 11:16am Thu 13 Mar 08
That's their choice, dude. ;-) Seriously, does Ayatollah Coleman think every woman that takes up prostitution does so under duress? For some, it's a viable career and much more preferable to working in a factory for 10 hours a day on minimum wage. Equally, not all men who visit prostitutes are trainee rapists.

It's like living in some theocratic backwater where the idea that human beings have sex, sometimes pay for it, and even occasionally enjoy it appalls the high priests of morality like Coleman.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:19am Thu 13 Mar 08
Is it because you cant Ban the women selling it,And can make more money out of the men and humiliate them at same time,!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 11:38am Thu 13 Mar 08
The man's in denial about something.

What are they going to do - introduce some new morality wardens or something?
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:02pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I remember the same Mr Coleman saying the same kind of things following Ms Ekberg's visit to Glasgow in October 2003.

As a regular visitor to Stockholm, I can tell you that while the visible aspects of prostitution on Stockholm's streets have largely disappeared, there is growing evidence and concern that the measures have not eradicated prostitution, but simply driven it underground. There is also clear evidence that the 'ban' in Sweden has simply shifted supply to neighbouring countries, with Finland in particular suffering a huge rise in female trafficking.

Also, whether the Swedish model would work in Glasgow is highly debatable and I'm sure if you ask Ms Ekberg she will be the first to highlight key differences. In particular, Sweden has provided a hugely expensive social welfare safety net to former prostitutes by offering them additional, costly services such as housing, education, training, drug rehabilitation programmes and increased welfare.

Is Mr Coleman saying that these will be available in Glasgow at taxpayers' expense... or does he simply want to do it on the cheap?
Posted by: chedwardall, glasgow on 12:16pm Thu 13 Mar 08
If men fear arrest, the women will limit their services to 'outcalls'i.e. visiting men in their own or someone else's home. How are they going to legislate against that?
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 1:48pm Thu 13 Mar 08
chedwardwall, you're right, you can't legislate against it. There's nothing to stop a woman building up a discreet clientele and relying on them for referrals/future business. It happens. At best, you can try to get rid of street prostitution but, in reality, it just moves on to another area. History will tell you that. Ayatollah Coleman isn't intelligent enough to follow history. He believes that i) he has found 'new' problems and, even better, that ii) he has 'new' solutions to these problems. He doesn't
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:51pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Elsewhere on the site but not unrelated, ET headline reads "**** raid on city shop". 'Scuse the pedantry but shouldn't that be "raid on city **** shop", or did the police dress up in fake moustaches, leather pants and rubber masks to carry out the raid?
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 2:55pm Thu 13 Mar 08
You begin to despair at the radical feminists and femi-men, usually the ones in charge of councils ,who preach
Quote
"The Swedish move was based on the premise that prostitution should be regarded as an aspect of male violence against women."

This can only come from the chapters of the radical feminist hate men book.
Some women make a lucrative living from selling their bodies and to continue to blame men for that is ridiculous,they chose to be prostitutes.

Some of the seedier and less glamorous parts of prostitution are complex issues and were as men turn to thieving ,women turn to prostitution.

Maybe Glasgow noses in the trough councillors should address why centuries of the same political scum have left vast swathes of Glasgow in permanent deprivation and squalor and have done NOTHING to change the inequality that leads men to crime and women to prostitution.

The easy way for councillors ,MSP's and MP's to distance themselves from the very ROT that leads to this form of degrading work is due entirely to the failures of the tri-party state that operates primarily for the benefit of their RICH backers.

Address the inequality and rid Scotland of the decaying housing schemes and give decent living standards to everyone and maybe prostitution would not be one resort women have to go down to etch a living .

We are SICK of the same nonsense of blaming the ills of what women get up to on MEN .
Women have only themselves to blame for choosing this line of work and many men would jump at the chance of getting paid for having sex.The self pitying stance by the femi-men holding positions of influence only further undermines this centuries old problem while pointing the finger away from their draconian policies that see more and more of Scotlands citizens living in impoverished estates.

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Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:55pm Thu 13 Mar 08
And why do you **** out "****" when it's on the front page of the paper??!?
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 2:57pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Good to see that Mr Coleman is pretty relaxed about male prostitution though.
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 3:05pm Thu 13 Mar 08
All men should read Henry Makow

http://www.henrymako
w.com/

ELIOT SPITZER: A LESSON FOR ALL MEN

Governor Eliot Spitzer's downfall contains an almost Biblical lesson for all men: Don't be controlled by your d1ck. It will ruin your life. Sex is a powerful force. Either you control it or it (and woman) controls you. Like Samson, Spitzer forfeited his power for sex. The bankers used it to control Spitzer; they also use it to control you and I.

Men are fighting a powerful meme created by the banker-owned media. Although sexual attraction is totally based on our instinct to propagate, society divorces sex from love, marriage and procreation It perverts a natural instinct that requires cultural definition into a wantom entertainment and commodity. It proclaims anonymous sex is an end in itself, meaningful and necessary, and in Spitzer's case, worth $2000 an hour. This elevates the nubile female-prostitute to the level of goddess. Who else gets paid that much?

Sex is an appetite like food. If you don't get food, you will think of nothing else. It's the same with sex. The answer? Men have got to marry women who like sex and "forgeta 'bout it." It's time we deconstructed anonymous sex. Somehow the females have got the upper hand. Much like the diamond cartel ,they have hoodwinked males into thinking that a commodity as commonplace and plentiful as p---y is rare and precious. It's not. In Andy Warhol's words, "Sex is the biggest nothing in the world."

I'll never understand why a man would ever pay a woman for sexual "gratification." Why shouldn't she pay him? Sex is just as necessary for her. What fools we are. I wouldn't pay ten cents for anonymous sex with anyone. And you couldn't pay me $4000 to service some stranger. (Not that they'd ask.) The "prostitution ring" charged Spitzer between one and three thousand an hour! It charged $10,000 to $30,000 a night and would consider selling off their chattel for a large lump sum.

Eliot, didn't anyone tell you that all cats are grey in the dark? The excitement for a man is a woman's response to him. How responsive can a woman be to a stranger? In casual sex, both parties are miming what they think should be happening, rather than admitting that the experience is empty and degrading.

IN PRAISE OF MASTURBATION

Masturbating is a far better solution for single men than anonymous sex. Do I have to list the advantages? You have your fantasy woman and fantasy situation. After, she's gone instantly. And there's no chance of pregnancy or STD. Oh yeah. It's FREE. And, often it's better. Let's deconstruct the fertile female while we're at it. Having lost her ability to love a man, most young women today are themselves scrawny men, with narrow shoulders, a couple of feed bags on their chests, and an unsightly jungle below.

They are pretty much physically identical. As one wag said, "Put a clock in it." Yet despite the tedious nature of the product, they have been selling it like hotcakes from time immemorial. The only thing that differentiates women is talent, character and personality. But most young women today seem content to compete on the basis of sex appeal alone.

I love feminine women, the kind that marry and sacrifice for husband and family. The kind that understand that femininity is the opposite of masculinity. We live in a culture that promotes arrested development by inflating the status of women and teaching men to pander to them in exchange for sex, like dogs getting a treat. Of course women tire of this, and men end up neutered and alone.

Eliot Spitzer spent too much time overachieving and didn't develop emotionally. Part of that requires getting sex out of our system. Realize how mundane it is. That there is no "there" there. With all the sex available, are men finally learning that casual sex is a bore? Men must also realize that no woman can give them what they really seek--- themselves. You get that by serving God (i.e. a spiritual ideal.)

Romantic love is a crock. Women are just companions on the journey. Real love is based on meeting mutual needs over a long period of time. It is based on sticking with someone when they're down, like Mrs. Spitzer is doing. In closing, let's learn from Eliot Spitzer's folly. Sex is used to control men. When we control our sex drive, we are free to serve a higher master.

by Henry Makow Ph.D.


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Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 3:16pm Thu 13 Mar 08
heavy wrote:
Maybe Glasgow noses in the trough councillors should address why centuries of the same political scum have left vast swathes of Glasgow in permanent deprivation and squalor and have done NOTHING to change the inequality that leads men to crime and women to prostitution.

Here, here heavy, couldn't agree more - I could kiss you - but if you pay me yer gaun to the the big pokey!!!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:20pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I just think that Henry Makow loves his mum a bit too much and is scared of sexual women.
Posted by: Garry Otton, RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM on 3:22pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Today, we have a sex shop in Glasgow raided by police and Catholic militant, Bishop Devine sobbing about an (imagined) gay conspiracy. The media has shut down Comments to these news stories. What is going on? We have an SNP government committed to sectarian schools and promising to fund more 'faith' schools. Has anyone asked us if we wanted a theocratic nation? Isn't it enough the morning news is interrupted every day by religious proselytising - so called Thought For The Day? Give us a break! MORE SEX PLEASE.. WE'RE SCOTTISH! Read my serialisation on the power of religion against sex free of charge on the Scottish Media Monitor com website and weep.
Posted by: trench, possilpark on 3:27pm Thu 13 Mar 08
read the previous page and feel very sorry for the wife of an upstanding figure of society(that story proves that money is not the root of all evil) c,mon guys keep the barn door shut!.
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 3:37pm Thu 13 Mar 08
"MORE SEX PLEASE.. WE'RE SCOTTISH! "

The Evening Times should launch a campaign on these grounds. Let's tell crusty old bigots like Joe Devine and Ayatollah Coleman that they're the ones with no place in a modern Scotland!
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 3:48pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Form an orderly queue...
Posted by: Garry Otton, Glasgow on 3:57pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Sadly Wallace, the Scottish media have all too frequently been behind moralising campaign backed by PR machines financed by religionists
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:08pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"MORE SEX PLEASE.. WE'RE SCOTTISH! " The Evening Times should launch a campaign on these grounds. Let's tell crusty old bigots like Joe Devine and Ayatollah Coleman that they're the ones with no place in a modern Scotland!
Wallace, there is a call to ban men from buyiong sex from women, if gay dudes are meant to be equal then why does the same not apply to men who want to buy sex from men?

Seems a bit odd, rather one sided! Or is that offensive to gay people?
Posted by: mum, port glasgow on 4:14pm Thu 13 Mar 08
AFTER LEAVING A SHOW ONE NIGHT,AS WE WERE WALKING AND SAW SOME OF THESE GIRLS.THEY LOOKED LIKE ADDICTS,WHY WOULD THE MEN WANT TO GO WITH THEM.
Posted by: Jules, EK on 4:15pm Thu 13 Mar 08
http://zeitgeistmovi
e.com/

Religion = Control

Free yourself with the TRUTH
Posted by: Wallace_Arnold, Glasgow on 4:26pm Thu 13 Mar 08
"why does the same not apply to men who want to buy sex from men?"

I can only imagine their minds haven't stretched to consider such a possibility.

"AS WE WERE WALKING AND SAW SOME OF THESE GIRLS.THEY LOOKED LIKE ADDICTS,WHY WOULD THE MEN WANT TO GO WITH THEM."

Because we can't understand human behaviour doesn't necessarily mean we should legislate against it.
Posted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:28pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Wallace_Arnold wrote:
"why does the same not apply to men who want to buy sex from men?" I can only imagine their minds haven't stretched to consider such a possibility. "AS WE WERE WALKING AND SAW SOME OF THESE GIRLS.THEY LOOKED LIKE ADDICTS,WHY WOULD THE MEN WANT TO GO WITH THEM." Because we can't understand human behaviour doesn't necessarily mean we should legislate against it.
I was accused of being homophobic, yet male prostitutes can end up murdered, just like female prostitutes - but this nob from the council is saying it applies only to women.

I wonder why?
Posted by: Garry Otton, RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM on 4:43pm Thu 13 Mar 08
This is about a council allowing militant religionists and feminists control a moral agenda. Which we, of course, will pay for! ScotsGay has been banned in Glasgow's Gay Centre and if you read the Scottish Media Monitor online you will know male sex workers don't get it any easier. (So to speak)!
Posted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 4:44pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I'm neither for, nor against prostitution. But the way I look at it is, it's better for a man to pay a prostitute than to rape innocent women and children. And besides, there's NO way anyone is going to ban that profession, not in this lifetime anyway!!
Posted by: Garry Otton, Glasgow on 4:53pm Thu 13 Mar 08
The best approach to 'prostitution' is to help sex workers protect themselves. Driving it underground is not the answer. Not all men can get off on X Tube or their one wife for life. The Internet is revolutionising sexuality and men (gay and straight) are experimenting like never before. We have never before been permitted to express our largely testosterone sex drives. We are now. (All that is except perhaps Jim Coleman)! Yes, the same man who protested at an exhibition of erotica - that had otherwise been fine in most other cities - at the SECC. I believe he also hired a hall and gathered militant religious cronies to protest.
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 5:09pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Dirty old men!
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:25pm Thu 13 Mar 08
The words of this article make no mention if they intend to do anything about men and boys selling sex.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:26pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I can see the female prostitutes following the path of the suffragettes to the courts to claim unfair laws prevent them doing the same job as a man.
Posted by: absent_not_vacant, London on 5:48pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Why don't we copy Germany where brothels are legal and well regulated? I can tell you that the girls working there are well educated, good looking and earn good money.
The girls are safe and look after their health as well as, or better than many girls who don't work in brothels but who are single and meet multiple partners.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 5:58pm Thu 13 Mar 08
There are a number of things i want to pick up on in this thread. Firstly, i am seriously annoyed at the Evening Times for not allowing us to comment on the headline story about the raid on a sex shop. So much so that i have emailed them :

"Dear Mr /Mrs Evening Times !

I am dismayed, yet not surprise at your continued censorship of what your readers can discuss in the ‘add your comments’ section. The early edition of today’s paper lead with the raid on a sex shop. However, you chose not to let the readers have their say on what would appear to be your main story at that time. This strikes me as censorship, which is not in my view the role of a newspaper, and undermines the credibility of your product. The nature of the story, and its headline status clearly indicate that there is a public interest perspective to it. Which is why I am annoyed enough at your censorship to write this email.

I am an avid user of the site and this is not the first time this issue has reared its ugly head. Surely the time has come for you to have a transparent and open policy for the ‘comment section’ in relation to what we are allowed to comment on. A simple policy of all or nothing would appear to be the best option
"

Please feel free to annoy them yourself :-)

Anyway, back to the Coooncil policy on sex, sex for sale ect ect. these people are voted in to run polic services in the city. Not to impose their moral judgement on me or others. If i want to buy sex toys or ****, or saucy underwear, it should be none of their feckin business.

The sooner they get the message the better cause i and many others are sick of it, remember the taxi advert for the underwear advert'.

If they want to talk about morality, why do we have ultimate fighting contests advertised on the subway, why do we have adverts glamorising gambling on the subway, ??


Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 5:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I really do wonder what is going on behind closed doors at Glasgow City Chambers in terms of policy development: some of the stuff coming from the decision-makers is so totally off-the-wall that it beggars belief.

My own interpretation is that New Labour are so preoccupied with selling off the city's assets that they are looking for increasingly bizarre stories to fill the local press, so that local journalists don't actually go after what's really happening.

Whatever is going on, it's time to get rid of this mob in George Square and let's really start to deal with the root problems holding our great city back.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 6:01pm Thu 13 Mar 08
in my last post there are 4 wee astrix in place of the word P O R N

what are we not allowed to say the word now, ??????????
Posted by: hawkey, glasgow green on 6:08pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Garry Otton wrote:
Today, we have a sex shop in Glasgow raided by police and Catholic militant, Bishop Devine sobbing about an (imagined) gay conspiracy. The media has shut down Comments to these news stories. What is going on? We have an SNP government committed to sectarian schools and promising to fund more 'faith' schools. Has anyone asked us if we wanted a theocratic nation? Isn't it enough the morning news is interrupted every day by religious proselytising - so called Thought For The Day? Give us a break! MORE SEX PLEASE.. WE'RE SCOTTISH! Read my serialisation on the power of religion against sex free of charge on the Scottish Media Monitor com website and weep.
Imagine a wee sex shop in Victoria Road and I knew nothing about it..............here
's me goin' aw' the wey tae the barras tae buy **** dvd's as well..increasin' ma carbon footprint as well.
Posted by: hawkey, glasgow green on 6:10pm Thu 13 Mar 08
hawkey wrote:
Garry Otton wrote: Today, we have a sex shop in Glasgow raided by police and Catholic militant, Bishop Devine sobbing about an (imagined) gay conspiracy. The media has shut down Comments to these news stories. What is going on? We have an SNP government committed to sectarian schools and promising to fund more 'faith' schools. Has anyone asked us if we wanted a theocratic nation? Isn't it enough the morning news is interrupted every day by religious proselytising - so called Thought For The Day? Give us a break! MORE SEX PLEASE.. WE'RE SCOTTISH! Read my serialisation on the power of religion against sex free of charge on the Scottish Media Monitor com website and weep.
Imagine a wee sex shop in Victoria Road and I knew nothing about it..............here 's me goin' aw' the wey tae the barras tae buy **** dvd's as well..increasin' ma carbon footprint as well.
mine said P. O. R. N. O. same as in the article
Posted by: Garry Otton, Glasgow on 6:25pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Well, I was thrown off a programme on Real Radio for saying **** fodder.
Posted by: Garry Otton, Glasgow on 6:26pm Thu 13 Mar 08
rhymes with sank.
Posted by: absent_not_vacant, London on 6:27pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Why don't we copy Germany where brothels are legal and well regulated? I can tell you that the girls working there are well educated, good looking and earn good money.
The girls are safe and look after their health as well as, or better than many girls who don't work in brothels but who are single and meet multiple partners.
Posted by: Renegade, Cyberspace on 7:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
absent_not_vacant wrote:
Why don't we copy Germany where brothels are legal and well regulated? I can tell you that the girls working there are well educated, good looking and earn good money. The girls are safe and look after their health as well as, or better than many girls who don't work in brothels but who are single and meet multiple partners.
I also recall once reading a report that a girl who turned down a job in a German brothel was threatened with having her benifits stopped. That would be the drawback of legalised prostitution...some girls may be forced into it through there being no alternatives.

I do believe that prostitution and all adult **** - straight and gay alike - involving *consenting adults* should definetely be decriminalised completely, though there is an agenda by politicians to ban sexual material and censor the internet.

Take that horrific case last week whereby a woman was gang raped and the beasts posted it to online video sites. While rape is a despicable act, TPTB should be focused on removing the scum from the streets, but instead the headlines screamed "internet rape", blah blah etc. (an authoritarian's wet dream) which will lead to pushed to making the mere posession of "violent and dangerous" images (measured at the whims of police and judges of course) and many consenting adults could well be jailed and their lives ruined for looking at anything (consensual or otherwise) the powers that be don't agree with and placed in the same category as paedophiles.

Think about it.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 8:15pm Thu 13 Mar 08
hugo wrote:
There are a number of things i want to pick up on in this thread. Firstly, i am seriously annoyed at the Evening Times for not allowing us to comment on the headline story about the raid on a sex shop. So much so that i have emailed them :
"Dear Mr /Mrs Evening Times ! I am dismayed, yet not surprise at your continued censorship of what your readers can discuss in the ‘add your comments’ section. The early edition of today’s paper lead with the raid on a sex shop. However, you chose not to let the readers have their say on what would appear to be your main story at that time. This strikes me as censorship, which is not in my view the role of a newspaper, and undermines the credibility of your product. The nature of the story, and its headline status clearly indicate that there is a public interest perspective to it. Which is why I am annoyed enough at your censorship to write this email. I am an avid user of the site and this is not the first time this issue has reared its ugly head. Surely the time has come for you to have a transparent and open policy for the ‘comment section’ in relation to what we are allowed to comment on. A simple policy of all or nothing would appear to be the best option
" Please feel free to annoy them yourself :-) Anyway, back to the Coooncil policy on sex, sex for sale ect ect. these people are voted in to run polic services in the city. Not to impose their moral judgement on me or others. If i want to buy sex toys or ****, or saucy underwear, it should be none of their feckin business. The sooner they get the message the better cause i and many others are sick of it, remember the taxi advert for the underwear advert'. If they want to talk about morality, why do we have ultimate fighting contests advertised on the subway, why do we have adverts glamorising gambling on the subway, ??
The voice of reason pal.
Posted by: Pete, Glasgow on 8:18pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Scottish Rose wrote:
I'm neither for, nor against prostitution. But the way I look at it is, it's better for a man to pay a prostitute than to rape innocent women and children. And besides, there's NO way anyone is going to ban that profession, not in this lifetime anyway!!
No so sure that it's as reductionist either prostitue user or rapist. But aye, it's like King Canute and turning back the tide. It's just ways and means for both side of this equation - no moral high ground at all.

Posted by: trench, possilpark on 12:48am Fri 14 Mar 08
as wan wee sowel said "ahm a substitute fur a prostitute and ahm destitute!' then a guy came and asked"do you dae american express? and she said"ah'll go as fast as ye waant"...honestly they'll do anything fur a mcdonald's hamburger!
Posted by: marshall conklin, New Jersey, USA on 4:52am Fri 14 Mar 08
It seems to me this world is run on sex and money.
How pathetic!!!!
Remember the fall of the Roman Empire?

No. I am not a goody two shoes.

Sandra Conklin
Posted by: Lol, Glasgow on 3:17pm Fri 14 Mar 08
It's interesting how many of these posts appear to be by men.
Research has shown that almost all known prostitutes in Glasgow are doing it because of drug addiction and that they do not perceive it as a genuine choice in the way that someone else might choose between shop work & office work.
In addition, many prostitutes working in the tolerance zones in Amsterdam say that organised crime, violence & control by pimps is much higher than in the "illegal" areas.
As for one poster's point that women shoudl be prepared to pay for sex with men- aye, right.
Firstly, use of prostitutes seems to be a predominantly male pursuit.
Secondly, if the posters on this site are representative of the male population of the west of Scotland are anything to go by...I think we women would be looking for a refund.
Posted by: Malcolm Green, Glasgow on 4:22pm Fri 14 Mar 08
According to all the Swedish delegations who have come to Glasgow on this issue in recent years, all they had to do was make prostitution illegal and then nobody did it any more. Rather like the smoking ban. If it's that easy why don't we just do it? The easy answer, I suppose, is that the laws are made by men. I'd like to hear what women legislators think. Margo Macdonald?
Posted by: Betty Uttley, California on 9:08pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Eliot Spitzer was the Governer of New York, although the are all doing the same thing.

Eliot was at it for 6 years, (or so the story goes) and his wife did not know what was going on, yet she was at his side when he was telling the public that "he was sorry for being a bad boy" he change his life in politics, lost a great job.

He also has three teenagers wonder what they think about him.

He gave the prostiture over $4,000, and has spent over $80,000 on her through the Emperor club.

He was in their books (or so the paper says) as #9, it also said that 1-8 was Charlie Sheen.lol.
Posted by: leesome, Glasgow on 8:20pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Pete wrote:
The man's in denial about something. What are they going to do - introduce some new morality wardens or something?
What a treat for the New Community Safety Wardens. The vales of the city should find another place. As for those who are consumers, a stiff sentence should suffice. Male or female, do not mix gender & social issue reasoning with what many see as a criminal contract whether on the street, or, for employment. Anything out-with that is clearly rape.

Posted by: silvixen, Glasgow on 10:48pm Sat 15 Mar 08
I used to work with male an female prostitutes. They arent a different breed.They are someones daughters, sons, sisters brothers, mums and dads. I honestly thought have to wonder at men when I watched girls so out of their faces on drugs being carried physically into a car an then being dumped back at the place they had been picked up still out of it. Many of them kept theirs and others drug habits going through selling themselves. I met only 2 women and 1 guy who sold sex because they enjoyed it in a career spanning 10 years. Necessity is as necessity does. Its the oldest profession in the world it wont ever be eradicated but driven underground which is where I believe our leaders would like it by 2014
Posted by: BLOCKEM., Glasgow on 1:41pm Sun 16 Mar 08
If more of us bow to our inner needs and cross dress and live based on our needs most of these problems would go away.
Men4men.
Posted by: Michael Hastie, Glasgow on 3:36pm Sun 16 Mar 08
There is nothing wrong with paying for sex. Prostitution (I prefer “working girls”) is the oldest profession in the world, even older than religion. Those who argue the point (i.e. city councillors, MP’s, PM’s, Police, Religious leaders...the list goes on) are hypocrites! I’ve seen brothel’s all over the world which are run properly, some are even run by the State. This keeps the working girls off the streets. Britain should follow suit. The girls would be looked after properly, and be in a safe environment. And, at the same time, the government would make billions from the income tax the girls would be paying.
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