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God to see justice being done..Man sprays trains,walls etc & gets 28 months in prison,Vicar downloads some of the worst pictures of child abuse ever seen in & gets a suspended sentence.Justice my A.R.S.E

This is a totally inappropriate sentence. The justice system in this country needs to get its priorities sorted out. Locking someone up for this kind of crime is criminal itself and frankly a waste of public money. A train painted a different colour; hardy a heinous crime now is it?

[quote][bold]Action_Aldo[/bold] wrote: This is a totally inappropriate sentence. The justice system in this country needs to get its priorities sorted out. Locking someone up for this kind of crime is criminal itself and frankly a waste of public money. A train painted a different colour; hardy a heinous crime now is it? [/quote] yea you wouldnt be saying that if he had come and painted your MAW's car like that would you eh? or the front of your house door? to them its art or a joke but those affected by it its vandals and a huge crime and if you have ever had the chance to clean it up you would know....these clowns should be sprayed on themselves and then be made to clean each other.... 28 months is a joke for all the mess no doubt this plonker has made across glasgow its sore to the eye and if you wanted to be creative then there are many other ways in doing this and also making money from it, such as paid graffiti on a canvas for a client or some shops like to get there shutters done or schools may like to get their playgrounds done... the list is endless but the easier option and more hard looking one is to go and spray paint public property or not doubt someone elses personal property!

Crazy justice system! Violent muggers get small fines, persistant violent offenders get sent on outward bound courses, knife carriers get a ticking off, murderers get their crime downgraded to culpable homicide due to diminished responsibility (being wasted) and thus a short jail term (of which they serve half)... A good stretch of community service and a fine would have been appropriate here. Judges must re-prioritise sentecing to punish those who blight others lives on a daily basis properly!

here this guy shouldnt have been locked up he should have been giving a fine i dont understand what the big problem with it is its not as if it look horrid. Most of the pieces that you see about are just big pieces of art and then some sad git somes along and washes it off and compains well if he wasnt such a sad little tit he would open his eyes and see that there is nothing wrong with this sort of thing not happy[bold]bold[/bold]

Community work: force the vandals to scub off the graffiti. They would not do it again if they had to remove the paint. It is illegal to vandalize property.

"This man put himself in great danger as well as endangering the lives of rail staff and passengers." Not exactly in the same league as getting tanked up on drink and drugs and walking around Glasgow with a knife is it. How the hell is he endengering the lives of rail staff and passengers anyhow ?

[quote][bold]dtb[/bold] wrote: "This man put himself in great danger as well as endangering the lives of rail staff and passengers." Not exactly in the same league as getting tanked up on drink and drugs and walking around Glasgow with a knife is it. How the hell is he endengering the lives of rail staff and passengers anyhow ? [/quote] That's the PR mince that's spouted these days - but yes you are spot on with your assessment - an artist (as they see themselves) is really a threat - I wonder what is more dangerous - a cop who hates sections of the public or an artist who sees an empty wall but is described by the top cop as being dangerous, yet his chip on the shoulder cop is brand new? This is logic according to them, another example of why people don't give a monkeys!

28 months! Jeez...money talks eh? £270k worth of damage. He'd have been as well as stabbing someone.

Get him out there with an effing toothbrush scrubbing every last bit of the absolute cra* he splatters over everything!

Another cowardly sentence and disgraceful example of the warped system of justice we live under. Rapists, sex offenders and violent criminals are given disproportionate sentences every day of the week in this country and this guy gets over 2 years for spraying graffiti...he might even have brightened some of the places up he was spraying.

our justice sytem is messed up. i love how they fail to mention that Gary has a full time job which he has been at for the past 3 years, he has a car, he is a part time carer for his mum, he has not been in trouble with the police since getting caught for painting the train (which was years ago)and he no longer paints. the judge knew all of this but chose to ignore it simply to make an example of him.

now that he has got 28 months its time that the hoods caught carrying knives get life in jail. that seems about fair methinks. time for decent sentences for crims

Happy with the sentence - can't understand why some think it's okay to damage the environment because its different to hurting a human being. If someone is interested in art, buy a canvass, go to art school, sell it on ebay. I can't abide the way grafitti 'artists' create eyesores across acres of public space and expect me to be grateful for their self-expression. The 'broken window' effect usually means graffitti is accompanied by further vandalism. Viewers don't have any choice but to see their work unlike those that elect to go to an art gallery of their own choosing. I don't give a monkeys that the person that ruined 270k worth of public property owns a motor and is nice to his ma. Fortunately, neither did the judge.

Good sentencing by the court in my opinion. Sick of the sight of tags all around the place. Also, the next time the train fares go up, have a wee think why. The amount of money spent on repairing trains that have been vandalised is a big factor.

TO ALL THOSE THAT AGREE WITH THE SENTENCE ok your allowed your opinion, but something that is bought up here is that people convicted of serious offences to the person, which should take priority over damage to property, are getting lesser sentences than people convicted for grafiti, so can you say you agree with this?? you welcome over 2 years of someones life for an inconvenience, so what about a few pounds out of someones pocket/have to be careful what they do (asbo/sus sent.) for death, harm, distress to people and there familys?? Your ignoring the big point, not that someone is unished for graffiti, but people are being more seriously punished compared to crimes mentioned above. Im a teenager and i can think about both sides, you need to be dong the same.

QUOTE'The amount of money spent on repairing trains that have been vandalised' WRONG you do not have to repair a train that has been spray painted it works perfectly well. QUOTE endangering the lives of rail staff and passengers. HOW does it endanger lives, the trains are usually stabled in yards with no passengers on them?? QUOTE 'think it's okay to damage the environment because its different to hurting a human being' WRONG its not the environment, and its nothing to do with them thinkng this, people are jus following a culture that has existed since the great depression, in which railmen used to write there nicknames and small sayings on the sides of freight trains, keeping a form of underground communication with railmen in other countrys ans states. QUOTE expect me to be grateful for their self-expression. WRONG noone expects you to apreciate it, they are enjoying indulging in there hoby, people dont make death metal for you to enjoy, they make it because they love it and they know there are certain people who apreciate it. You guys dont think or learn the facs in the slghtest before you comment!

one last thing, i apologise for my spelling, but take note it was due to railmen and railways that repetitive graffiti and tagging even exists today, betcha didnt know THAT!

For the curiosity of the readers of The Evening Times. Heres a little bit of information: Graffiti has been alive for over 30 years, it certainly does not plan to stop. No matter what barriers are ahead of Graffiti Artists - they will always win. Graffiti, seen in many eyes, is "plain vandalism". Not many actually stand back and look to see art. It is art. Fair nuff' on a listed or a government building, it would be seen as vandalism... But how often does that happen? Prices of cleaning the SPT Trains are outrageous in themselves. Bit of water and soap never hurt anycunt... Yes, of course, the train that has been attacked will need to be closed, but its not as if it will cause massive corruption if one out of over 200 trains is off the line. For this legendary graffiti artist, his sentence is completely [bold]ridiculous[/bold] . You know you get a longer sentence for having possession of cocaine than a rapist does? This government doesn't know that if they actually thought of making these legal and reduce in "Cleaning up" Scotland, (being the sense of - never mind cleaning the walls), they wouldn't save millions...but Billions. Of course, there is an arguement of drugs and graffiti, but at the end of the day... its someones choice whether to do it or not. This society does not have the words, "Free speaking" in its dictionary. To express the feelings of Graffiti Artists - the walls say it all. This sentencing of the legendary graffiti artist, "DAZE", does not send out any signals of failure or retreat to any graffiti artists of Scotland. It mearly alarms them to show more courage to express themselves more. The finding of this artist took over 3 years... bit slow arn't you, BTP? In what way did this artist indanger the lives of Staff [bold]OR[/bold] passangers? This quote is an utter lie. There is over 200 graffiti attacks every year on trains in Scotland [bold]alone[/bold]. Doesn't this give a clear signal to everyone that it will not stop? Re-think the sentencing... go find the [bold]REAL[/bold] criminals. Regards, Anonnymous

disregard for property is alright if it is on their own walls not someone elses, when these people are ready to buy property in a nice area and see the rubishy attempt at art? their response is usually " i would not buy any property there its like a dump",STOP RUINING THE AREAS, your parents should have gave you crayons when you were toddlers and let you run amok in your own place.all people who do crime should take the consequences, a person who injures or harms anyone should be put away for good, graffiti artists should scrub all graffitti in the surrounding areas.

To trench. Grow some balls. If you would gladly read my previous comment - stand back and take a look. Your comment is a clear example of lack of knowledge and consideration in which a Graffiti Artist's does at their best. Try looking on google for the artistic side to Graffiti. Search Graffiti Murals. Do you go up to the art school, look across the road and say, "Thats graffiti...i hate that s**t." Take a longer look. Think of how it can be done with a spray can... take some consideration, after all, this IS someones hobby.

[quote]Shields' jail term is thought to be the harshest sentence imposed by a Scottish court for such offences.[/quote] Wrong. The same Sheriff, Colin B. Miller, sentenced a man to 33 months just last December for spraypainting racist, anti-Semitic and fascist graffiti on Troon war memorial. As reported in the Sunday Mail: http://www.sundaymai l.co.uk/news/scottis h-news/2007/12/02/sc umbags-78057-2019149 2/ By giving Daze a similarly harsh sentence, the Sheriff is patently failing to make any distinction between a neo-Nazi fool who is clearly offensive, and an artist who just likes painting his name creatively.

Free Daze! 270 grand my C.U.N.T! a bit of surgical spirit would take that right off!! a slap on the wrists and a fine would have been reasonable!! You call that justice when a bunch of wannabe polis callin themselves BTP are sick of a few writers painting trains a different colour, they decide to abuse a man who never really did anythin 2 anyone by lockin hime up and putin his face all over the papers! F.U.C.K right off ya saddacts and get a real Job! FT BTP, Free Daze or things will only get worse.....

No one is denying accountability but the severity of the sentence should be in question. When disproportionate sentences are dished out you have to wonder what factors are influencing judgement, as clearly the punishment does not fit the crime. The language used to report was of course, deliberately provocative. Daze is in no way connected to "A Gang" he may be part of a collective or a crew but gang of course, is used to suggest violence & is the hacks way of misdirecting & demonising. For the record Daze is an amiable 21 year old and as gar from a "Yob" as it is possible to get. The Newspapers reported that Daze "... is now in prison after he admitted eight offences of malicious damage at Ayr Sheriff Court. When in actual fact only ONE was brought up in court, the only one he had admitted too. A breakdown of exactly how the figure of £270,000 in damages was arrived would make for intersting reading also. The sentence was welcomed by British Transport Police. Detective Chief Inspector Jim McKelvie said: "This sends out the signal that graffiti is nothing other than vandalism. How any reasonable human being could deliver & welcome a sentence of that severity is more damning of those involved in the passing & supporting of the sentence than it ever could be of a guy writing his name on a wall or the side of a train.

if you think 28 months sentence is appropriate then you must be insane! i go out and i work from 9-5 everyday and it disgusts me that the government is wasting my hard earned cash on putting petty criminals in prison, while rapist and drug dealers walk around the streets and if i was to be attacked I would probably have to go to dirty understaffed hospital where i would catch some virus. give them community service cleaning graffiti and let them put something back into society instead of leeching off it. People have been drawing on walls for over 40,000 years(chauvet caves) graffiti is not going to stop so the sooner people realise that locking someone up is not a deterrent the better. In France they do not hand out jail sentences for graffiti but fine the offender instead. people these days are so narrow minded they say yes it is art if done in the right place but don’t give them any place to do it not everyone has a big wall in there garden of house to paint there art.people these days swallow the rubbish that the media feed them the media is after all a government tool. i dont care about the rail companys that charge me extortionate pricesses two stand up on a train for my entire journey value for money? no and not only that but im now paying for them to lock someone up for 28 months. So now im out of pocket because I pay tax on everything and I pay so much to travel but also there are dangerous criminals on the streets and health care service is rubbish. I need to escape this insane country best justice system in the world…..I think not.

Justice? This is not justice, it's politics plain and simple. People have been given lesser sentences for violent assaults. Everyone in a fair society should be accountable for their actions, but it must all be in proportion otherwise the system does not work. In this case, the system has failed simply because the powers that be felt that making an example out of someone was more important than giving fair punishment. An ideal like this is more suited to communist China rather than democratic Britain. In terms of the flagrant language of both the tabloids and Detective Chief Inspector Jim McKelvie of the British Transport Police it's hardly worth commenting on. What I will say though is that if anything they have created a martyr to other graffiti artists, not the so called "Graffiti Yob" as one paper put it. On a final note: would the punishment have been so serious if it were a string of local business taking him to court rather than large authorities such as SPT and Railtrack? I think not. The whole thing disgusts me.

Here's a smart **** Idea, why don't you talk to someone who KNOWS Daze. From what I know of Daze, he's got great skills, he's not a "yob", He's got a job, a car, a Mum to care for, a missess and OH YEAH- he's **** stopped writing! Don't give him this ****! I also know for a fact that "Easy Riders" is not a gang. They are not a bunch of drug dealing, idiotic thugs; they are skillfull street artists who hold up decent jobs and contribute to society through their art as well as through the usual **** like taxes! YOU **** NARROW-MINDED **** DIDN'T LISTEN TO ANY OF THIS BEFORE THROWING A MAN IN JAIL! HE'S IN A **** CAGE FOR TWO YEARS NOW BECAUSE YOU CONFORMIST, BLINDED **** COULDN'T THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND UNDERSTAND HIS SIDE OF THE STORY! ANYONE WHO THINKS THE JUDGE IS REASONABLE IS **** PATHETIC AND SHOULD LIVE THEIR OWN LIVES RATHER THAN THE ONE A SOCIETY OF IDIOTS TELL THEM TOO! **** YOU ****!

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i feel the sentence is a complete joke as the courts arent fair about this crime in comparison to other more serious crimes. i know people get upset by having to look at things that they havent chosen to and feel graffiti writers should keep their art to themselves but if you live in society you have to live and see things you dont want to all the time, i feel that is a very immature argument to use personally. why is it ok for us all to endure endless ad campaigns everywhere we go if individual peoples art is not acceptable? if the people that are making up the rules want others to live by them then there needs to be serious negotiation so that as many people who want a say in how our country is run get one. if we are supposed to live in a democracy then you cant go around excluding and criminalising large sections of society just because a certain group doesnt like what they see. if this behaviour continues i and others will not be responsible for our reactions. graffiti writers are in general decent people with behavioural disorders of varying kinds, instead of penalising them the authorities should be looking at ways they can make these creative and intelligent people feel more accepted and useful in society if they dont want even more problems in the future. society in general needs to be much less narrow minded as there are many different types of groups you need to accommodate to be a healthy community, everyone can have a purpose if people open up a little and stop being scared and gutless. the government needs to start taking care of its own people instead of taking the **** out of them and punishing them like they are naughty children, if they want to play the adult role they need to learn what that means and take a hell of a lot more responsibiliy for what goes on in this country. try opening your eyes and seeing people for what they are. graffiti writers really arent that bad compared to the hustlers that run this country. fact.

Surely most of society do not think it is OK to jail a young working man.Don't you think it would be better to make use of this man's talents ie. running workshops for kids; getting them off the streets boozing and taking drugs and teaching them how to be creative and use their time more appropriately. I for one are not happy to be paying taxes keeping non violent offenders in prison. While this man is in prison he is not contributing to society paying his tax and national insurance just costing us money. Let him out soon.

I would like to say that a Non Violent crime such as a spray can, should not warrent being behind bars. Gary said he would pay compinsation and do comunity service, now wouldnt that be a lot better? I think all the people that Believes he belongs in jail should get a life!! As the person above, Elaine said , what about a work shop for young kids? Get them off the streets!! sounds good to me I also hope the judge can sleep at night! he definatly gave an unfair sentence.....

This is a sickening case of injustice. Graffitti articulates a cultural desire to stake a claim in the aesthetics of our habitat, a visual space which is otherwise almost entirely dictated by commercial enterprises. The fact that graffitti (i.e an obvious form of art) is instinctively repelant to some almost proves how people's tastes and lifestyles are also dictated by commercial enterprises. Graffitti is a natural response. We should be discussing, encouraging and celebrating the drawings on our walls, as other European cities do. Are the courts BLIND to the fact there is an ENORMOUS car advert in George's square which contains a MASSIVE piece of graffitti? It seems the CRASS appropriation of graffitti culture is okay by the law as long as there a brand attached. Terrifying times. The judge should be ashamed of himself.

Do you seriously think I want my trains cancelled and delayed because some nobody called Gary thinks he has a dangerous alter ego named “DAZE”? Make mummy and daddy pay to clean up this totally unoriginal and uninspired garbage…I for one am sick looking at it. Congratulations to the judge for making a stand.

[quote][bold]McKenzie[/bold] wrote: Do you seriously think I want my trains cancelled and delayed because some nobody called Gary thinks he has a dangerous alter ego named “DAZE”? Make mummy and daddy pay to clean up this totally unoriginal and uninspired garbage…I for one am sick looking at it. Congratulations to the judge for making a stand. [/quote] where do you get the dangerous part from ya tit?? do you not read what other people have said? go back to your hole you narrowminded tosspot Free Daze

oh aye and as for the "unoriginal" comment, why dont you look up the stuff he has done in the past and you will see that it is true art and not "uninspired garbage" do some research before you make a post on a topic you know nothing about

[quote][bold]random2[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]McKenzie[/bold] wrote: Do you seriously think I want my trains cancelled and delayed because some nobody called Gary thinks he has a dangerous alter ego named “DAZE”? Make mummy and daddy pay to clean up this totally unoriginal and uninspired garbage…I for one am sick looking at it. Congratulations to the judge for making a stand. [/quote] where do you get the dangerous part from ya tit?? do you not read what other people have said? go back to your hole you narrowminded tosspot Free Daze[/quote] Actually I did read what other people said then surprise surprise…formed my own opinion. That is what you do in an open forum such as this. Believe me I am already aware of his “true art” and it is such amateur, poor quality, ham-fisted, childish and unoriginal rubbish that perhaps a few “masterpieces” should be left up to have us rolling in the aisles on our way to work on a rainy Monday morning. What is your dangerous street name….FUDD?

too many toss pot , bully opionated people on this site... anybody would think the negative arguements would be well constructed but no,they are abuseive and personal, it would actually seem as if it were the btp themselves trying to justify the laughable sentence dished out here... if anybody intelegent , sensible or normal interested ... radio scotland mon 19th between 9 and 10 am for a graffiti phone in !!!!check it

True art? It's a mess, the kind of rubbish scribbled on school jotters across the country. As a railway worker I'm over the moon this idiot is banged up. Every time some moron trespasses on the railway we have to bring in the Police and stop trains from running for the safety of some idiot trespasser. Network Rail picks up the tab for every delay minute which is due to vandalism. And as Network Rail is publicly funded who pays- the taxpayer. It's not as if this is a one off, he's a repeat offender and unrepentant. Maybe he'll think twice, now he's counting the daze in jail.